{"video_id":"Gnhv3WFnmH8","title":"How Close is TOO Close?","channel":"Linus Tech Tips","show":"Linus Tech Tips","published_at":"2021-05-05T14:53:29Z","duration_s":501,"segments":[{"start_s":0.08,"end_s":8.08,"text":"lg sponsored this video with their 86","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":3.52,"end_s":10.32,"text":"nano 90 which is an 86 inch tv it's got","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":8.08,"end_s":14.4,"text":"nano cell tech which means it has nano particles that absorb unwanted","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":11.92,"end_s":19.199,"text":"wavelengths for a wider color gamut and bigger viewing angles and that kind of","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":16.96,"end_s":23.84,"text":"got us thinking holy smokes i mean when you got a tv this big are you gonna need","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":21.039,"end_s":28.72,"text":"like a dedicated theater room just to have it fit in your field of view 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you should be seated from your display nobody at lg or otherwise thinks that you should sit three feet from a 86 inch tv so why don't we back it off a little i didn't think about how much bigger this is than my home tv so i've got a 77 inch at home which already is like ridiculously big but this something i think we're going to run into is that what you're used to is going to make a big difference to the comfort of your viewing experience if i was gaming i might want to be a little bit closer actually right there that's as close as i think i could get for gaming from here just by flicking my eyes a little bit i can see the corners of the screen if i need to i don't actually have to move my head so this is as close as i'd want to get so how'd i do then uh kind of depends what you ask so the way this is measured isn't so much about viewing distance but about presence there's lots of different dimensions to presence think about how immersive vr is right how much more immersive a high refresh rate game is more like audio surrounding video sure so having your field of view filled with the content is one element of presence so where did i end up you ended up actually at right on one of the recommendations uh from smpte or simpty one of the institutions that measures like color science and all this kind of stuff they recommend having your field of view 30 degrees of it filled with the content and that was a distance of 11.7 feet you were right on that interesting yeah so thx obviously their whole thing is movies movie enthusiasts then their ideal distance is 8.6 feet that corresponds to your field of view 40 degrees of your field of view being filled they offer a range because they realize that not everybody is going to be in the same conditions and people are different so they say 40 degrees would be ideal but 36 degrees is also pretty good and thx max acceptable distance which is 13 and a half feet that's a 26 degree field of view there's actually another line that we don't have on the floor here and that's because our room isn't big enough and that corresponds to just 10 degrees of your field of view being filled with content and that's from the ntsc when they're originally setting up like tv broadcast like back in the 70s or whatever so it would probably where would i be three feet back like yeah in the door frame no but what's the purpose of this line because this is way closer than what anyone thinks is acceptable so for a tv this size five feet is how far you need to be away so that you don't discern the pixels so you don't get a screen door effect but there's other reasons that you wouldn't want to sit that close we've all been in the front row of the movie theater where you had to like ping-pong your head around just to follow a conversation and eye strain is a big thing too although interestingly eye strain is worse for adults sitting close that's why kids are always sitting close to the tv and they think it's fine but when you're like hey you can't sit here this actually hurts yeah this is going to give you a headache it doesn't hurt them because their eyes are better at focusing on closer objects than adults so you could kind of say i got it right then i i think thx ideal would have been right let's see how the rest of the team lines up with my experience then this is totally watchable way back here but it's kind of a waste i think i'm gonna go with something like this oh my god damn it i'm right on where Linus was i'd wanna be a little bit further away i think again it just might be too close i would just feel more comfortable i think at that point it's just personal preference like i don't like being too close to the tv i feel like right here is a pretty comfortable distance but you're not really straining to see stuff even if i'm all the way back here it still feels like wow this is a pretty good experience if i were to design a living room i'd probably say like like here but yeah a little bit closer for gaming and then a little bit further back a little bit more relaxed um for more of like immersive movie watching experience kind of thing and the type of person who sits at the very back of the movie theater probably around here it's comfortable for movies this is what i would want if i want the best theater totally engrossing being transported away experience if i was just sitting at home watching a movie for the carpool critics podcast where we review movies and you should go subscribe i would probably be more realistically back here if i was just sitting either gaming or watching a movie by myself right about here i could see the full screen perfectly clear yeah that's a good distance so let's see i always will measure 50 55 degrees uh each hand is about 10 degrees this is my final answer your estimate with the field of view like degrees thing is actually pretty close that's good that means the fist test works i always do this when i go to a theater this would be like the optimal kind of distance with like everything that's going to be there whereas like if it's purely just for like i want to experience whatever i'm watching itself without having to worry about anything that's going to be around me i feel like i'd be like yeah a bit closer so it's the next day and the results are in and interestingly there's kind of two people in the world if the world is a sample size of 10 at our office the first type of person ended up over here the 30 degree mark and that's actually a viewing distance that is espoused by a lot of home theater enthusiasts but it's also a really workable distance in a room like a normal living room that has multi-purpose so it's actually still really close though the second type of person we got were kind of the more i like to be up close enthusiasts where they are between nine feet which is the thx kind of area even as close as about seven this is a sweet experience and it might be closer to the tv than you thought if you're in the market for a tv this size especially with a tv that's nice like this one is it looks like about 40 local dimming zones so that's definitely less than that vizio we looked at and peak brightness is not as high but HDR content does look pretty darn good it's hard to call an 86 inch tv like value but it's that's how it's priced so it's got some other really cool features freesync premium is included the e-arc port is actually one of the HDMI 4k 120 hertz ports so that's got some of the HDMI 2.1 standards built into it obviously that's less of an issue today but as the new consoles roll out new pcs with new graphics cards 4k 120 hertz may may start to be a thing mostly for gaming obviously but man that'd be kind of cool being able to go back and like play your xbox one or ps4 games like your back catalog games but at like 120 FPS upscaled with atmos what happens so thanks to lg for sponsoring this video if you're interested in the 86 nano 90 they're nano cell lcd tvs that come huge like this one then check them out at the link below also check out their 2020 oleds also very sweet so thanks for watching guys if you liked this video then hit subscribe and be sure to check out our other videos like our future of tvs video where we explain what the heck is quantum dot enhancement film anyway uh also you might be interested in our latest monitor review of the samsung g9 49-inch super ultra wide sweet sweet monitor see you next time"}