welcome to the W show we're getting Technical and we're getting sweaty
apparently cuz like if I gave you a bear hug right now like it would be gross you
know it would be gross but I'm so used to it from sports that it's like it's only a little bit gross right I guess in
the shower when you guys hug each other you're wet from the
shower wow you know I never like a
minute in I never I don't think for a minute
in I never actually played a sport that involved um like neither did I like
group showers neither did I oh I mean much to my much to my regret because
guess yeah I did football you played
football actually football didn't out of all no way how does football not in
showers it was hockey football is all about like the bum slapping in the
showers and stuff is my understanding everyone drove home sweaty everybody H
like you pretty much never had locker rooms interesting cuz I didn't play
school football right okay and we're in Canada right where football is like not
not nearly as big all right so things that are things we have a great L show
for you guys this week John karmac joins Ulus as CTO but remains working for ID
software okay so it's he hasn't completely gone off his tree but he's uh
he's evidently making a major bet on VR
and Oculus in particular which has got to be really exciting for them
especially after the tragedy recently where one of their co-founders was uh
was killed in an accident so uh that's uh that's kind of a big deal uh lab
grown Burger cost $300,000 tastes gross
apparently um the jobs movie has been uh
sort of critically blown up a little bit was who
is is outspoken on everything and very interesting to listen to yeah yeah yeah
exactly um has come out and said that a
a very main particular scene in the movie just didn't happen at all and it's
he's not too worried that it didn't happen because obviously certain okay you're telling them too much about it
this is the pre thing okay
okay really you've got oh you've got to be kidding me okay well I blame I blame
diesel for this hit it add media file
without further Ado it's August 9th 2013
and I don't have my
headphones yes the green machine is
attached to my neck which will obviously contribute to the sweatiness our special
guest today if you guys don't already know if you didn't see the YouTube
announcement is the one and only Yosh from fractal Yos yes Yos well he works
for a Swedish company but he's not but he's not Swedish no he's about his
American I just found out he lives in Iowa yeah yeah you just found that out I
had no idea he was I knew he was somewhere east of here that's not really
saying a whole lot I KN you live in like that area it's
it's over there well no I I knew I knew that he was on the continent of North
America I knew he was south of the 49th parallel and I knew he was east of here
these are all the things I knew uh at any rate Josh is one of our favorite
industry Affiliates he's uh he's the
former CEO and president and whatever he
wants to call himself of biohazard computers which was a boutique uh system
builder that actually did some really crazy stuff I mean when we talk about
Boutique system Builders we're talking paint jobs we we're talking like water
cooling we're talking like all kinds of cool yeah no Josh was not much crazier
than that phase change all that kinds of awesome awesome awesome stuff so should
we jump right into it what do you want to hit first we have so many great
topics today we can jump um right into the top of the list if you want and talk
about cellular companies in Canada did you put things in order this week a
little bit cuz I'll be kind of impressed if you managed to do that it it it has a
interesting flow where it mixes it up so if people want to see a range of stuff
give them range of stuff cellular companies in Canada are crying foul
about the Canadian government facilitating the entry of Verizon
Wireless into Canada um now this is this
is actually kind of funny the source for this one or at least where I first saw
it was from the NC Forum so I guess I
better give turx over there who I've actually had a number of exchanges with
over the years he's got like 5,000 posts on there the uh credit for this one and
I want you guys to watch this video it's not that long Canadians deserve a Level
Playing Field fair for Canada this is the closest that publicly I've ever seen
the main Telos here in Canada collaborate so B Rogers and Tellis are
like this should give some idea how like
sleeping together they all are because
it didn't take long to get a nice schmexy looking little we website about
how it's totally unfair to allow another wireless player in and I just I just
want you guys to watch this I want to know if you can relate to this tell me
if the Telos we're going to do a Twitter Blitz after this guys tell me if the
Telos in your country are this frakin
brutal hi Michelle kick us off here a
giant us comp to come to Canada I
thought will there be thousands of jobs lost think about it experts are saying
most of their good jobs will stay South of the Border most of to their profits
too then this us giant gets to use our
existing infrastructure that took us 25 years to build and they don't contribute
a scent so Canadian taxpayers will be effectively subsidizing the whole thing
I believe communities like the montans of Canada should get the same technology
that the big cities do that way my neighbors can be as productive and as
plugged in as people in any other part of the country it makes me proud it's a
very Canadian thing but now our government is allowing a giant us cell
phone company to buy up small Canadian operators that cell phone companies like
mine aren't allowed to buy since we can't bid they'll likely even get a huge
discount on the price effectively at Canadian taxpayers expense but it gets
better better for them even though this company is four times as big as all of
Canada's cell phone companies combined they're basically getting a huge
discount to enter Canada will they care about employment in Canada I think you
know the answer that's not fair for canadi
will this giant us company virtually ignore small communities like mine and
focus on big cities it makes me angry
that the government is selling us out you know we teach our kids to play fair
that's about as Canadian as it gets so why is our government giving a giant us
Corporation special treatment that's not real competition it doesn't sound fair
for Canadians Ottawa should do something about the loopholes fast it doesn't just
hurt me oh wow I can't even watch this anymore country holy crap I don't think
I made it all the way through last time either cuz that thing is two minutes of
the most inan driil I think I have ever
seen in my life it's this big old Saab
story about like Mega Corporation I'm
sorry there Verizon Wireless is only four times your size and you're kind of
sitting here going boohoo poor
me I mean you
C certain things that I like in there are just things that are completely blatantly wrong where they're like small
communities should be able to have all the technology that big communities have my grandpa lives in near Winnipeg rural
Farmland area cannot get anything other
than like dead slow dialup and there goes my phone again um and like it sucks
he doesn't want it to be that slow he's an older guy and won't use the internet
that much but when it takes him a few minutes to load a basic web page and
when I can't show him anything that we make because on YouTube and that's too
much for dialup it's kind of messed up
so that's just blatantly wrong and then the the whole fair play thing fair for
Canadians it's already not fair for Canadians we pay way too much it's it's
fair for you jerk it's not fair for us I
mean the thing that bothers me about this is all you need to know about
someone's business model and someone's profitability you can you can know
everything you need to know about a company without even looking at a public
company's Financial if the local sports arena is called the
Rogers Arena then Rogers had way too
much money left on their balance sheet knows they're going to have way too much
money left on their balance sheet for the foreseeable future and needs a major
spend that they can just kind of well justify somehow because naming Sports
Arenas is a terrible terrible terrible Roi and is basically just a way to burn
money so that it kind of goes away quietly um that should be all you need
to know about how much of that money could have been spent on the
infrastructure that would bring oh I don't know highp speed higher speed
internet connections better cell phone reception more Advanced Technologies
whatever else the case may be or improving customer service which quite
frankly out of all of them the ones I've had the best experience with at least on
the cell phone side has been Bell and Rogers tell us is absolutely terrible
and speaking to former tus employees the amount of bureaucracy and Bs that goes
on there do you remember the story I told you the screwdriver Story the screwdriver Story how many people does
it take to put a piece of RAM in a server at tell us you said I think it
was four right it was I believe it was three three okay one one well it was the
one guy who wanted it done who was who was my buddy and then it was someone to
open the case yeah someone to install the RAM and then was it I thought I
thought it was one person to slide it out one person to open it one person to put the RAM in one person to CL close it
one person to close it no no no that was me joking about it but the no the third
guy had to supervise oh yeah yeah yeah yes so the third guy was a supervisor
and I'm sitting here going you know what boo Fring who you don't have enough
money maybe stop wasting it on things like that so let's go to the Twitter
boards and let you guys uh give us your take on the
whole how bad would you feel for your
incumbent Telos if your government basically stepped in and said well hold
on a second let's try to actually improve the quality of Serv whether the
Improvement in quality of service is for urban areas and I do understand their
point where yeah Verizon's going to come in and they're going to go after the
biggest whack load of customers of course but you know what you guys what
you could do is you could spend some of the money that you have from your
current customers because you know what's coming upgrading your infrastructure and accessing the
customers Verizon can't touch for now
make it hard for them don't make a whiny
video be aggressive give us the wireless
rates we know that you can to clear them
to clear some things up the auction that they're talking about the unfairness
that they're talking about is for the 700 MHz Spectrum um new entrance so say
Verizon are able to bid for two of the four blocks of the new Spectrum they're
like allowed to bid for two of them and incumbents or current ones are only
allowed to bid for one each each each group that's already here is only
allowed to bid on One Verizon would be allowed to bid on two that's what
they're so mad about and and there and there and their butt hurt because
they're not allowed to bid because
that's anti-competitive that we're not allowed to bid what about all the little
guys that you guys drove under by overbidding for any existing spectrum
that has been up for auction over the last however many decades it's been
pretty much impossible it's been impossible for anyone else to get
involved unless it's mandated by law such as that local cable company Delta
cable where Shaw is not allowed in that municipality for whatever reason I'm not
what it is but the reality of it is these are the same things you guys are
all complainy pants about that you have been doing to other companies for all of
these years so there you go that's what I have to
say about it all right Twitter boards been on holiday for a week with
no phone or Internet hey speaking of things that Telos need to get into the
uh whatever Century we're in about the fact that you being on holiday why is
this all glitching out that's kind of weird screen region let's try that again again add screen region uh roaming
charges if that's not a you know archaic
thing yeah oh like if that's not a bunch of like
skevy uh Executives sitting around a
table sort of behind closed doors
collaborating and colluding to keep rates as high as they possibly can I
don't know what is um JK okay you're going to have to message us again when
Josh is actually on our government does have a fiber initiative which all line
providers have to be included in New Zealand and it's pushing us
forward I got no problem with government mandated everyone gets to be involved
yeah it's pretty much like in the UK all the infrastructure is based on BT they
own all the lines and dictate everything and that's exactly how it is here the
guys who own the lines just call the shots and hopefully uh you know
hopefully the move to wireless Spectrum where instead of it just being like oh
well you know you collaborated 100 years ago to build these phone lines which has
absolutely nothing to do with how the world works today therefore you own all
of it and we can't do anything with wireless at least it can be controlled
somewhat moving forward and there will be a balancing act I mean it's not like
if Verizon comes in here and steals all the business they won't which they can't
because they don't even own enough Spectrum to do it in the first place and it's not like the government's going to
be like yeah you guys are never allowed to bid on Spectrum ever again it's just
going to it's going to be Balancing Act in the future and they don't want it no
they don't want that and I just and I guess the thing that bothers me most
about it is the three of them are like getting in together to band up about it
because Verizon might not come in and play their game what I don't like is
that it's not fair for Canadians it's not fair for Canadians and they're
saying they're going to take a massive amount of the jobs they will take some
of the jobs but I guarantee you technicians are still going to need to
be up here and if technicians still need to be up here offices still need to be
up here yes there will be jobs up here you're not going to be able to Service
Canada without employing any Canadians so that's actually not possible for an
IP anyway so yeah Brad seems to have
uh the same sort of wow this is kind of weird okay there we go the same sort of
negative feelings about Australia's Telos Australia does have similar
challenges to Canada large land mass
small sort of dense population centers
um but it still could be better I would be very happy there's no good data plans
here top speeds are 1 megabit yep bring
on the competition the Canadian Telos need to man up
indeed August 9 way to go you you did it
again and I'm in the mar I say boohoo and I'm in the maritimes
indeed you're you're brutal dude okay I know this is safe to click on you guys
are you guys may actually like love this here hold on I'm gonna see if I can find
one there you go so one of our viewers has acquired a Pikachu uh onesie so go
ahead and burn him on that as much as you want that's awesome but I think it's
awesome do you think newer fx8350 is will be worse overclockers now that the
best chips are being badged as 959s that is actually a very good question we
should probably talk about that later you want to throw that on the dock while I continue the splitz sound card for
hd558 anything from ASUS's Zonar line would be a great option you don't
necessarily need one with a beefy amp because that is not a high impedance
pair of headphones perhaps they should pull their fingers
out of their Collective butts I think is the word you were looking for instead of
complaining like spoiled kids yes indeed
what are my opinions on the new LG G2 I don't know I asked for an eval unit to
check out and sort of nothing ever happened so I don't really have much of an opinion I'm looking for a beast card
to hang any game 780 hard to go wrong
with 780 however uh one of our topics later on is the rumor that am's Hawaii
series gpus may be coming soon so stay
tuned for that uh was that an aperture science water bottle I saw you drinking
from yes indeed it was hydrogen monoxide
containment unit I think is the terminology you we're looking for not
water bottle so there you
go let's see if we've got anything more little bit more on the Twitter Blitz 4K
content needs at least 20 megabit per second down I'm all for more competition
help us get closer to the awesome I want indeed someone says uh refresh xplit and
what is that blue/green light on the Vengeance box behind
slick I got no
idea yeah I don't know all right um
4570s versus 8350 those are very
different chips um the 4570s is super
power efficient and the fx8350 is anything but super not yeah like super
like power like just super power man like
like pedal to the metal and efficiency to the winds so I guess decide what you
want and then bu that what do you think of deleting the chips I think it's kind
of risky um cool though seriously America has this stuff too Comcast
pretty much has its own region while Verizon doesn't come into my region it's
that whole territorial Monopoly things you know what I would love to
see guys from the states coming up to Canada and sort of pooping all over the
collusion that's going on here and I'd love to see guys from Canada go down to
the States and poop all over the collusion there would absolutely love to
see it because it's needed and I think eventually they're all going to just
collude with all of each other but at least initially we might see some
improvements which will maybe get us a little bit caught up in terms of them
fighting for any amount of time will probably help at least a little bit
you'll at least be able to sign up for like some kind of ridiculous deal and
you can try and hold on to in grandfather in Forever
yes that is the secret I mean went
honestly okay I'm putting on my uh my my old NCIX hat for a bit when new EG
launched in Canada like we were pooping
bricks like leading up to that launch every every day was another
conversation about sort of you know what are they going to do to to to to to
address sort of the differences in the Canadian Market because we knew things
they didn't in fact in fact NC still knows a whole lot of things I can look
at new eggs offering and I can go yeah they clearly haven't figured this out
yet about the way business Works in Canada and uh anyway we were we were
pooping bricks and that was scary and
when when new egg launched in Canada NCI
countered with one of the most aggressive sales in its history as a
company and customers don't always understand how much it costs to put on a
sale cuz it wasn't Black Friday it wasn't Boxing Day there weren't
manufacturer rebate that we were able to leverage it was
just okay well here's all of our money
just uh here you go customers we I guess we don't need this
anymore and uh and then new new eggs a
grand opening sale was pathetic it was like some outdated Phenom was like I
remember yours the Highlight I took some of that ncx money yeah I bet that was a
crazy sale I took a lot I think I built two computers for other people out of
that sale and took some stuff for myself yeah it was not even kidding oh it was
like bat crap crazy um so I don't remember where I was going with that but
uh yeah why don't we move on to our next
topic shall we what do you think we should do next maybe uh maybe a topic
little while sure uh I like that screen
one if you want to talk to because we should be getting Josh on here soon yeah
let's get Josh going soon where is the screen one Amazon working on paper white
oh okay that's your topic so you better uh on screen you better cover that one
all right so Amazon's working on a new screen technology this is an article
from quartz.com qz.com go ahead so
basically they're going to be putting LEDs horizontally along the panel and
then it'll bounce light along the whole
what do they call it a na Nano imprinted light guide it'll bounce it all the way
across and that will make the light hit the screen and then reflect out towards
you instead of the light shining directly at you it'll be reflection
which is more realistic when looking at paper books and it's supposed to be a
huge Improvement make it a lot better experience for the user much less ey
strain when you're reading for a long period of time and just yeah it's very
interesting technology no one else has done it and they're not going to
compromise on things like color depth and uh resolution or anything like that
so this is so we're still using a traditional LCD panel actually this is
something that a lot of people get confused about should I buy an LCD or an
LED they're the same thing as the back lighting that changes a liquid crystal
display is is available on a wide
variety of different forms and it's the most common flat panel display type
anything from your old calculator us as an LCD display it's monochrome it has no
backlight backlight about to talk about that in a moment anything up to even
sort of even the LCDs you might find in a rear projection TV a while ago back
when the larger LCD panels were too expensive to manufacture so they would
make small ones and then blow a massive backlight through them to project onto a
screen or something like an LCD panel that you might find at your typical
computer which would typically have cold cathode lights behind it fluorescent
lighting and now has moved to LED so the LCD panel itself is an image that
doesn't inherently emit any light that's where OLED is different because it emits
its own light you have to put some kind of a light source behind it so in this
way they're not actually putting it necessarily it's they can use that same
LCD panel Tech to to reflect light instead of shine light out from behind
it so so it's it's supposed to make it a much better experience it's called light
guide they're called well the the technolog is called light guide their screen is going to be called paper white
and Amazon has recently uh acquired a
like kind of a a company that's working on tablets so people are thinking that
instead of just making e-readers Amazon is going to take this Tech and make a
tablet and there's a lot behind this and it's in this um in this quartz web page
which will be on the doc which we will upload with the live stream later on
fascinating so Amazon is realizing that e-readers have gone down I think it's
like 12% in the past little while it's so dead like oh come on so so Amazon is
trying to respond to that by making a tablet which has gone up I think it's
like 78% in the last year or something like that oh yeah it's ludicrous I was
looking at did uh did diesel send the same article that was looking at I think
smartphone shipments and tablet shipments oh it's ridiculous yeah it's
like you're kind of looking at the numbers going like like how many how
many hundreds of millions of them does everyone not have one yet at this point
then um but there you go evidently not
um this actually ties into one of our other news articles which is maybe the
last one we'll do before we get Josh to join us um and that is the rumor that
Amazon is working on a game console so
an Android based game console I don't this isn't in the dock I don't know if you know about this not in the dock at
all yeah I know whatever man um so it's going to be so it would go head-to-head
with something like the Ouya which I think everyone's kind of in agreement on
was kind of a failure um the like things
have changed since it got released and they've made improvements but it's still
and this is the danger of kickstarting something based on specs that are
current and then how long it takes to really bring a product to Market I mean
something like NVIDIA Shield if NVIDIA were to wait like if they had
two business units internally Tegra and
shield and shield wasn't allowed to touch Tegra technology until it was
released publicly Shield would be months
away yeah because it takes so long to
bring an actual finished product to Market that's why someone like Ouya
never stood a chance because they're going to be working with off-the-shelf
components rather than working with what's coming next um so Ouya is sort of
a bad example cuz I think it just never really stood a chance but with someone
with the clout of Amazon banking on this
whole Android console thing with someone with the clout of NVIDIA banking on this
whole Android console concept thing with Shield which by the way our Shield is
coming coming on the way I haven't seen tracking yet but it's like confir the
way yeah this is this is interesting because more game developers are going
to come back on this because there's Shield people are going to want to
making games for Android because of shield and then when Amazon steps behind
something like this people are going to be want to making want to be making Android games because of Amazon's
console so one of the problems with Ura is everyone went emulators and then kind
of stopped because everyone just wanted emulators now people are going to be
actually interested in developing games for this platform which is really
important and of course for those of you who are going to sort of attack him
immediately for this of course developers were already interested in Android games but they were interested
in touch Android games that were meant to be played on ablet and a phone now
Android is moving forward to what someone like NVIDIA has been trying to
get towards since the first Tegra which
is we want console graphics on this thing because we ultimately and like
this is the scare this is the scariest part of it is like how how upset is
NVIDIA that AMD has every design win in the nextg console maybe not at all cuz
they're going for because the nextg console is going to be a 10-year device
you look at how quickly NVIDIA is ramping up the power or not just NVIDIA
I mean I'm I'm harping on NVIDIA because they're kind of in the thick of all this
but you look at how quickly the GPU power on these mobile devices is ramping
up we could be looking at another few years because we've already pretty much
caught up with Tegra 4 we've caught up to current gen console few more years
especially with yearly iterations we could have caught up to the next gen
consoles and with a device that doesn't have to have a connect play into it and
doesn't have to hook up to your TV and doesn't have to do whatever you don't
care about and maybe doesn't have the same DRM restrictions that you can rude
and you can really get into and you'll probably be able to record more easily
and all this other kind of stuff is the console dead that's actually a really
interesting statement and possible but we won't know for years but we won't
know for a few years maybe maybe guys like Microsoft are too hard to take down
I don't know mof are pretty big they're pretty
big but they're falling pretty hard pretty fast maybe that's why Microsoft
is banking on things that aren't necessarily gaming man maybe that's it
football all this other kind stuff TV convince me Android can't handle things
that aren't gaming is Seuss Cube anyone I I'm not fighting this battle you know
uh Google Chromecast anyone like a gen
five of that thing this going be incredible it's already incredible with
a Tegra a in it that like I don't know
anyway good good luck good luck PS P4 good luck Xbox one was nice knowing you
um why don't we go ahead and fire upcs here and see if Josh fractal has managed
to uh manage to get his headset figured
out did you manage to do a test call with him or oh boy I was I was zoned out
working on the dock when he first got it installed and then I went to invite him
and he had he had left at that point that was my bad all right you know what
we should just like take a uh oh ah Josh fractal online all right well here why
don't I let you kind of talk about that while I do a Twitter Blitz here and sure
of course they're on the same computer so that uhy oh wow wow shots shots fired
already this this this guy is hard to uh
it's kind of hard to deal with having him on our live stream here see if I can
uh see if I can get this to actually work I'm not that impressed with xsplit
today I don't know what's uh I don't know what's going on here but this is
this is some uh this is some serious business nonsense that is making my
difficult here so we're going to go ahead and recapture that screen region
that I've already captured a couple times and apparently oh that's weird
Razer comms does not get picked up by
xplit which actually makes
sense because a game streamer who's
using comms for voice communication wouldn't want their bloody xplit or
their uh their com stuff all over the place all right well at any rate
um let's go ahead and fire this fire
this baby up all right Josh so just click the
headset button in the top leftand corner there you go yo Josh how it goes bro oh
it's going how you doing pretty good I
noticed that you uh jacked up my style with your uh your guest picture
here and Josh is listening to the stream
not to razor com so he needs to go ahead and turn off his stream so he can talk
to us already did
man so you think I jacked your style you
hardcore jacked my style I was the first one to do a picture like this obviously
yeah except for Steve Jobs yeah except well except for that guy but I mean what
did he ever do that was he probably wasn't the first one to do it
anyway well yeah you never know but I mean he made it popular and sexy I mean
and he probably trademarked it so we're both going to get sued yeah yeah I
actually did worry about that like I wondered if it was okay for me to take a
picture of myself being all like glasses and maybe like the particular finger
orientation made it a curve design that they could patent yeah I think your
pinch zooming your chin in that one I'm not quite sure
though so how are you how's uh how's
fractal how's business how's the PC industry and how is it um do you cry
yourself to sleep at night because you don't still run your own company
biohazard I think it was called oh man we're starting Quick aren't we um first
of all I guess I'd like to be the cool one and say happy birthday to fatal flux
they've been posting over there in the comments so can you guys give him a shout out for me real quick shout out
happy birthday see there we go um no
work work has been good work has been busy uh you know obviously got back from
computex where we partied it out for a little while um I mean worked very hard
and then you know we got uh oh man it's
just if it's not one thing it's another but it's going good it's good it's good
yeah you guys have done some land present re presents recently oh so for
those of you who don't know this is Josh from fractal design formerly of
biohazard computers he is an Enthusiast
at heart this guy has done more hardcore stuff with PCS than I have done that is
for certain and he works as the what's your title like um lap dog to the
president of fractal or something like that North America well it was going to
just taller than lonus but that didn't really narrow it down at all I mean
that's a pretty broad category so yeah VP of marketing for North
America that that would be my official title all right so do you want to talk
fractal stuff first or do you want to just kind of jump into some of the uh I
know there was that one topic that you were chomping at the bit to talk to us
about do you want to get right into that yeah it just depends do you have a 7-second
delay you might want that wait what 7c DeLay So that you can
bleep out swear words geez come on oh
man no let's let's just let's just let's just do this thing all right so this I I
I sent this to Josh and I got back an email at like what is that like 4 in the
morning your time yeah it was about 4 in the morning yeah which was uh yeah oh
that's perfect sorry I'm so excited now
slick wasn't cced on the email so here we go there's an indie go go on that is
have must be the stupidest thing that I've ever seen on the internet this
video thumbnail right here should probably tell you pretty much everything
you need to know about this Indiegogo which is basically like two nerds and
guys you know no disrespect or anything but you're two nerds sitting on chairs
in the middle of a yard and I'm just going to skim through a little bit of
this Indiegogo and then we are just going to blast this thing between me
Josh and slick I don't think they're going to have any anus
left careful wording
man let me see if I have this written down right you guys have a 3.8 GHz
overclocked 6 core i7 processor 6 GB
video card 32 GB of RAM all booting from
a solid state drive I mean this would normally retail from about 34,000 if you
could even find it but you if you could find it oh man I got I'm starting early
here originally we were going to go cheaper than that some of the big
manufacturers are hard to deal with ,000 I'm fting back the rage right now the
machine we wanted to build so don't you think this could lead to awkward
conversations with Big Industry producers I mean you're undercutting their prices quite a bit awkward
conversations like how overpriced their computers are we're okay with that
conversation right well then I'm just trying to make sure you guys aren't
getting in over your head I mean there's a lot of big dogs out there I think
we've made our purpose clear right if this project gets off the
ground then we've essentially declared war on all companies that make gaming
computers and we're okay with that unlike most wars where it's a win lose
we're totally okay with either outcome on one hand we make super awesome
computers specifically for Gamers on the other hand we force the big comp to BR
pric down anyway so basically the summary guys is that these guys have an
Indiegogo actually here I'm going to go back to the Indiegogo so they've
actually got 4,000 contributors they're
basically saying that no no no they they have $4,000 $4,000 worth of
contributions they have 12 contributors so there's a comparison Matrix down here
that has alien wear and what they charge for a system and build it yourself and
what it costs and their innovision gaming which has a 3970x 32 gigs of RAM
a 7990 a 512 gig SSD and a final price
of $11,000 I don't know if they're deluded
or if they're just scammers one thing
I've wondered is I'm giving them as much insane degree of benefit of the doubt
that I can possibly imagine is that they have found someone online that is
claiming to be a distributor of these things and is claiming if you buy enough
and pay us up front we will give you all of this for this price so they decided
to make an Indiegogo planning to do it without enough research figure out that
this person is this camera tell me Josh as a a boutique gaming system builder
who you know really you know wasn't well
okay okay two things two things tell me this
Josh how much margin did you make selling gaming
PCs oh hell like 4,000% 4,000% because I
touched it I mean I had a picture of me on the side of it which that I mean right there that's just a bonus you know
it's a work of art but yeah the thing is
like you had to figure you know I was definitely a cayen boutique so our stuff
was you know very expensive our average box was like 8 to 12K so we had sizable
sizable margin and we were still at
like 30 40% like above Hardware but you also got
to realize when you're going into that level of Boutique the amount of work that goes into your overclocking at your
stress testing it it's like that's you know the labor comes into it yes so and
like so hold on I'm not talking gross margins I want to hear net margins after
you pay yourself labor which probably isn't for that great of a
salary oh I obviously it's worth so much more that's why I moved on to modeling
but you know after that dried up I came back to Tech you know so I would say you
know at the end of the day the problem was too is you know I I own the company
so I sted myself right so I was probably maybe between 10 and 15% 10 and 15%
sounds about right which is not big margin and that's a boutique so to put
that in perspective someone like an NC might be making about half of that so
for those of you watching right now who think there's like massive margin in
gaming computers there is but it isn't at the retailer level it isn't at the
distributor level and it's not at the system builder level it is at the
manufacturing level guys like ASUS guys
like Intel these are public companies all you have to do is look at their
financials you know how much they're making on it that means that if
something costs $1,000 to end user and
we know that the distributor price for it is you know
$950 the the retailer and the distributor didn't make that much on it
so Josh tell me this when you were a boutique Builder building systems that
might have cost thousands of dollars if you could even find them um how much did
it cost you to buy an extreme Edition uh let's see here uh it was
pretty straightforward because Intel locks their price pricing it per thousand unit orders right I mean it's
like the way that breaks down is like when a you know extreme Edition came out
back then you know they like thousand bucks and it's like you know
999 99 yeah and it was like that's per
thousand CPUs and I think people have this unrealistic view of you know how
much business a lot of system Builders are doing it's like a huge Boutique
system builder maybe doing like between
two and 400 systems a month you know and
it always killed me it's like people think you're getting like all this hard for dirt cheap and we'd always get these
things like uh I want an extreme Edition I want this I want that and I want this
but I want it for like half a retail because I know you guys get it cheap I'm like you know more than I do man because
certainly not getting it cheap and that's why we went that route is like to
make any margin on it you know you had to put some sort of spin on it you had
to do like overclocking liquid cooling stuff like that that people weren't
doing and you know people wonder oh how come there's always bloat wear and
crapware on PCS uh that's where Dell and HP and the big guys made all the money
that was all subsidized like they were selling half the time the hardware nearly at a loss making up the money on
like you know saman kicking them 20 bucks perst or shipping or the other
little things that they could do that really helped that or you know even
things like office trials that ship on your computer as enthusiasts we kind of
look at that and we go as if I'm going to activate it but someone like my
mother might actually do that and that's where the margin on that PC through an
affiliate code of all things like even someone like Acer has to make money
through like an affiliate program for Microsoft Office on the computer that
they shipped you yeah well it just it
drives me nuts that you're like so these guys are obviously Bladen idiots I mean
it's either so first of all let let's just start poking holes in this I don't
even know where to start because there's so much crap it's insane like okay first
of all you know we found if we buy in bulk we save gee that's a unique
business model that I don't know Walmart and everybody else had since the
beginning of time yeah I bet Newegg Newegg never figured that out about
buying in bulk and getting processors for cheaper yeah exactly it's like oh
I'm glad you guys cracked this one and no one else has been able to figure it out and then second of all it's like we
started looking we got these contacts in the industry it's like oh that inside
track that you developed after a week and a half on CS list you know I don't
know exactly where they think they got all this information and then the other
thing is it's like if we can crowdfund this if we can all order these
motherboards and these video cards it's like okay what motherboard am I getting
you know it's like you know okay what chipset what manufacturer I think that's
the least of the holes in this it's a big hole though but yeah I agree yeah
like what is it so okay like another reason why you know any system builder
has to make margin on it's like who's going to support the damn thing you know
it looks to me I'm G to give them the benefit of the bo the benefit of the
doubt I think that they're not scammers I think that they're
and what they think is that if they get
because look they're asking for a half a million doll goal and their campaign
only receive funds receives funds if they reach it by the deadline so it's
not one of those blatant scam ones where they're like yeah we're going to keep
the money regardless so I think that they naively think that if they manag to
put together 500 systems as a single order
that they'll be able to go to someone like Intel or EVGA or ASUS or whoever
else and say hey we're Big Shots drop
your pants in terms of pricing for us and uh you know $1,000 is our budget and
that's a lot of money because we're 15 and or however old they are and we think
whatever they think that $1,000 is a lot of money um and they they think that
they can achieve it that way and it's just not going to work Josh has built systems for people on an insane level
you've built system for people I've built systems for people none of us made
a ton of money off it the first thing that I say anytime someone posts on the
Forum that their plan is to start a business selling systems is do it for
fun it better be a side job and it better be entertaining yes I mean you
know the the overhead in it is ridiculous I mean aside from you know
just the standard business model it's like keeping up with high-end Hardware I
mean you know working in front of the curve is you know ridiculously time
consuming and yeah you know by the time like you know the extreme Edition drops
if you're one of the high-end guys it's like you're already working on the next
thing you know it's like by the time it actually comes to Market you're like okay that's old and you know I have to
agree I don't think these guys are scammers merely because a scam would be
put together a lot better than this I mean this is like so bad it's got to be
you know blatantly real like they genuinely think that they've stumbled
across something and that they're going to be able to help people out it's like
you know a scam would be more believable
I think that's how a scam works you know I I wonder about the four people who
have evidently bought it and they've got a lot of perks at different levels that
I'm also looking at going like are you guys bloody insane $25 for 256 gig USB
drive 250 bucks for $79.90 that was the
main one that got me yeah it's like okay on what planet when are you planning to
ship these systems like if they're planning to ship the system in 2016 and
they're just going to like eBay okay they're planning to ship them in October
but if the plan was to like troll eBay 2 years from now and dig up like you know
old extreme editions and stuff this might be doable well here's the thing if
they got all the parts right now two guys it would take them till October to build 500 system I mean do they ever
think about that it's like oh we're going to have to hire some people to build all these by October from watching
the video I think it's only the dude on the right who's building all of them
actually oh yeah the other gu the brains behind it there we go that's a solid
that's a solid 500 systems I can tell
you right now based on sort of an industry standard 2 to 3% defective rate
on any component within the first month they are going to get back so it
compounds right because you're building a system so let's say a system has eight
components in it for the sake of argument that means that the chances of
a system going defective within 30 days
unless they're burning them in I mean what about the power that it's going to
consume to burn in all these systems they're building 500 systems at the same
time anyway the uh the chance that one of them will be defective within 30 days
is probably at least 3 to 5% if they're
lucky as an inexperienced Builder never mind the ones that get damaged in
shipping tell me Josh how much do rmas
cost you as a system builder oh yeah well that's the thing you know it's
ridiculously expensive because say you sell the whole system you know the first
thing is it's like I think my video card di okay we'll send you new video card I
don't know how to fix it they want to send the whole system back so you know
assuming you can Sid step that it's the
other thing is if they're working with highend Hardware we had our largest failure rates on Enthusiast class
Hardware of course you because it's it's pushed so high you know and you would
think which they're probably thinking from a general mindset like oh this
video card it costs three times as much as a mainstream one it's going to be
perfect it's like no it's probably gonna be flaky you know and and if you're
going to take all these you're going to overclock them okay add to that that's the other thing you know you're looking
at your failure rate I assume these guys are going to get in try and overclock
because they'll read on that on some Forum somewhere hey I can do that all
you do is push the voltage as high as it goes and then just crank up the multiply
yeah ah yeah yeah I could rage on this
all night but you know if you want to move on I totally understand I just saw it and I was like really really this is
and the scariest thing is that they've got backers already like oh I know is it
like their mom's I'm hoping so I'm hoping so could be considering the money
will get back if they don't get it funded it definitely could be another
thing is I think okay the guy on the right I watched the video I didn't pay
way too much attention but the guy on the right I believe is the technical guy and the guy on the left I believe is the
business guy the guy on the left should be fired unfortunately the guy on the
left is going to have a really hard time finding a job if anyone Googles this
because his name is attached all over it and the guy on the right is going to
have a really time hard time finding a job because I believe his name is attached to this as well so if they try
to look for a job in 22 days from now when this fails it's going to be rough
if anyone Googles their names I think it I think you're giving them too much
credit for the size and momentum of this project I don't think anyone will ever
find it my thing is I thought it was I
it was better without the video like I watched the video and it got worse like
oh my God I see what you're trying to do but oh just fail left and right I should
tell them if they want to do a better pitch video next time they should reach
out to lonus Media Group and uh we should just just for laws we should just
produce the stupidest possible P you know what that would be kind of a fun
project like Indiegogo pitch video like
fake sort of thing I don't know if that's been overdone yet we kind of sort
of did it but not for jokes and not and
it wasn't fake but for um the the
kickstarter one that we did we did a Kickstarter ah it got no we didn't do
get any of the money we did a video that got posted on Kickstarter for that thing
where name Omni Omni trick om that got posted
on their Kart and it worked really well so I don't know okay so anyway there you
go you know what why don't we move into something else I'd like to do one topic
and in the meantime guys hit us on Twitter at liniste and let us know what
questions or comments you have for Josh remember former Boutique system builder
current VP of marketing at fractal design for North America always awesome
I'm sorry what and I'm always awesome and always awesome
and you're right I Googled his name and nothing came up yeah that that was that
was not going to be a thing um all right so Josh speaking of staying on the sort
of bleeding edge of CPU technology and all that crazy stuff here's an article
from wccf Tech I mean these guys I don't
well The credibility is sort of I mean they had an article about I think it was
like 12 or 16 core fxs not that long ago
and now there's one about how they're possibly abandoning FX processors apus
all the way what's your take on
this oh you know I don't know I mean it
gets to a point almost uh you know with
the big guys that you believe anything I mean things have gone back and forth so
much you know I know Apu is definitely a focus for AMD right now as far as like
abandoning FX I I don't see it being that drastic I
if if you look at the benchmarks you look at like a lot of the forums you would think that AMD is completely
screwed because they don't win all the benchmarks but like when you look at you
know the buying public like hey that's a cheap processor I'll get that for my
next build that'll do what I needed to do if I'm going to build you know my
mother an internet and email machine it's like okay fine yeah I'm gonna go
for that and I think that's and it's called the Xbox one yeah yeah exactly so
yeah I I don't know I don't put a lot of stock in it I mean it's that's the other
thing okay like what are the odds that website would have to scoop if that's what was really happening um you know
what I'm going to play devil's advocate here and I'm going to say I think they're right because they've been
falling behind I mean performance per watt opteron walked in and destroyed
everything AMD owned Fabs at the time they owned the technology they had some
serious business you I don't know if you want to
call it planning or luck or whatever word you want to use but Intel was basic
basically sitting on their butts and AMD came in and whooped their butts in the
server space trickled that technology down to the desktop and kick some butt
for a little while now they haven't done that in a
long time AMD is more focused on that
mainstream consumer and you look at what they see as the definition of an APU
according to AMD core I3 Core i5 and core i7
processors from Intel that onboard HD graphics are apus yeah so you look at
Intel where they still have dominance when it comes to zeeon when it comes to
extreme Edition when it comes to workstation grade processors they still
have dominance there and they're barely paying any attention to it for AMD is
the overhead just too much at this point to even bother are they better off to
just focus on the uh heterogeneous CPU
AR or like guess I can't call it a CPU any but a heterogeneous architecture
that uses a CPU and a graphics type of
processing in order to achieve what it needs to do and are they right to bank
on that in the future because is it possible that a
quadcore CPU with a very powerful
graphics processor on it would actually be able to outperform a more traditional
six core or 8 core CPU in the tasks that we need I mean
diesel the intern was complaining to me the other day that his workstation
doesn't support quicksync because now that technology that uses Intel's
onboard HD graphics to accelerate video encoding is starting to show up in the
professional tools and I'm like I thought I built you the beasted machine
with a six Core Extreme Edition and all this RAM and a Quadro and you want a
fraking consumer grade device because we're moving towards that being more
practical for the future and it it it makes sense and to be honest with them
starting to rake in money on the console side especially in the next upcoming
months and still bleeding money they they released a statement
recently about how they're going to be profitable soon yes they said next quarter maybe dropping certain segments
will help them be profitable soon well you know I think that part of it comes
into the fact that like certain product wings are just marketing Wings you know
I mean you look at Halo cards and stuff like that when you're looking at
Graphics it's like you know NVIDIA is not making their Bank on Titans in 780s
it's amazing how many consumers think they are but man guys they're not it
costs five times as much as a consumer grade card or you know a performance
card it's like yeah and you sell about what 5% of what you sell on the
mainstream so I think five% is very aggressive Prett aggressive yeah and and
and the thing is like so if you're going into like the nuclear arms race of
Graphics it makes sense because if you win that top rung then you get every rung below it so it's more of a
marketing investment than anything else and and when you look at largely what
the bread and butter what AMD probably sells right now yeah it it could make
sense to to I guess you know kill off the FX brand if they want to move more
towards an APU because it's also about application right I mean it's like if
you say what has a faster zero to 60 you know a Ferrari or Ford F-150 everyone's
going to say Ferrari it's like okay now do the same thing on a muddy road which
one has it faster 060 so it's all about how you're tasking it like you said with
diesel working with video it's like okay that might have more raw processing
power but for what I use it for this works better for me y yep although I'm
trying to get away with throwing a Kepler GPU in his system because he's
found a really cool plugin for Premier that uses Cuda to accelerate uh
outputting h264 using the onboard encoder but you know what he wants right
he wants a Titan doesn't he and he wants both he wants a qu and a Titan because
he diesel are you still here oh no he's not here today he can
use one for one thing and the other for the other thing he wants two graphics
cards no if he could do it no I don't
even care he's not getting two Titans in his workstation no he doesn't want two
Titans oh I know he wants qu yeah he
wants the quadro because he wants 10 bit color and then he wants the Titan for
Cuda he's not getting the Titan he can have like a 770 or something reason
you're so cheap you're so I know I'm like the worst person ever oh freaking
employees it's like why do I even need them someone's got to make you look good
someone's got to produce content while emails all right let's do a Twitter
Blitz here guys for Yosh uh we're gonna
focus on the questions for Yos um look
at that you an AR mid too it must be because of that pre-roll advertising
you're running online as Tech tips videos uh no it' probably be something
effective that we're doing all right so gregar says going for
the arc midar 2 air cooling bill should I go for af140 fans instead of the stock
fans great question Josh go go for
whatever you want I mean it comes down to again however you're going to use it
I mean to think that we can make one fan
that would be perfect for every solution I you could try uh you know obviously we
always have a aim towards silence and that's where a lot of our fans have come
from so if you're going for something a little bit more high-end if you want to
do what you want to do I mean that's my biggest thing I'm not going to try and
push into somebody into something I don't want all right fair enough and you guys
all know what I'll say buy all the Noctua nff 12s because I truly believe
it is the one- siiz fitall and that's why I stopped talking because I figured
you'd just chime in with that anyway so all right uh that's that same
question again will there be a successor to the core 1000 actually a case that I
personally really liked I unboxed it a long time ago and I was quite impressed
by the Innovative cost Savings of moving
the hard drive mounting to a single slab of metal as opposed to building a
complicated cage while offering other
advantages such as improved air flow through the front because you got your
freaking Drive cage out of the way and the fact that it still holds enough
Hardware are we going to see anything else like that yeah okay so then now I have to do
the typical disclaimer that they cannot talk about products that may or may not
be released in the near future blah blah blah but yeah if you look at the rest of
our product line I think you can kind of see what we tend to do I mean we take
you know we design our cases we take feedback from our customers and from our
fans and you know we help we use that to
help us build new products because I mean obviously that's who we're designing this stuff for at the end of
the day so I would say I wouldn't be
surprised at all if you saw something like that as far as time frame no I
don't know have I seen anything internally no I have not okay but the
core 1000's been incredibly popular for us and it makes you look tall so I mean
we got to keep it around for while thanks I mean the thing about the core 1000 is keeping it within that price
range I don't know how much really could be
improved we I mean you do get some of that right I mean it's like oh we could
add this we could add that the next thing you know it's like the core 1000
at $69.99 it's like okay that kind of just went the opposite direction of
where that case was at so and functionality wise I mean it it works
very well especially in its intended market so well you guys have so much
margin anyway that you should be able to sell core 1000s for 20 $20 or you know
$6.99 anyway so you know according to those yahoos on that yeah we we got a
lead on some guys that we're going to buy 500 of them so we just shifted all
of our pricing towards them should work out for both of us oh
terrible um lineus Tech and Josh do you think there will be an all-in-one
Boutique system made custom for some rich people I'm going to let you go
first an
allinone um yeah so when it comes back to the
boutique side of things you know I guess what I was when I was doing it was like
a cross between like a boutique and a modder you know because people back in
the day you know like when you were
young yeah exactly you know when you were making cases out of stone um it's
like people didn't come in the motherboard Trail like we had to do that
ourselves you know and walk up hillbo ways and all that sort of crap but I
mean legitimately it's like there weren't a whole lot of features like
that so you tried to tailored as much as
you could to your intended audience um
Allin ones get a little tricky though I mean there it's I don't know it's a very
difficult form factor to deal with it's very difficult
to basically the investment that goes
into designing an all-in-one necessitates that you sell a buttload of
them and yeah you basically you not got a proprietary design it's like why don't
you just design your own laptop is about where it's at pretty much so unless like
Steve wnc decides to build one like for
himself I I don't think it's likely to happen now I did see a Gigabyte
Prototype at I think it was computex CES
CES maybe it was at CES that was an all-in-one that allowed um aftermarket
graphics card upgrades with like standard PCI Express graphics cards they
had like a 580 or something stupid in it at the time and I was like who that's
kind of crazy um but other than that I haven't really seen much and I really
don't think anything like that will ever be wildly
successful yeah plus I mean the people are going to pay that amount of money
for something custom aren't at least in my experience when we were doing it they
weren't so much concerned about the form factor it was more here's what I wanted
to do or I want to trick it out and have
this custom paint job on it I want to have more of like a look to it but not
so much a form factor all right here we go Josh what did you major in in
college oh let's see here did I go to college other than modeling other than
modeling I'm major in that every day I mean I wake up first thing I do is I
mean well I'm awesome when I get out of bed I'm awesome when I go into bed yeah
pretty much awesome all day now in college believe it or not um and if you
watch the first live stream I on you got a little bit of hint at this I actually majored in criminology and criminal
justice and then I kind of accidentally pepper sprayed a bunch of
people which actually was was kind of related to my major so so that's all
good that's like me saying that I like
broke my mom's laptop and that's somehow related to my job you don't have a job
man I mean you just kind of sit there and then like you get all pouty when
someone argues with you and then you change the
subject I think we're going to move on to actually
I think time's up with our guest hey I have a job my job is
difficult reaching stuff on the top
shelf
wow oh I didn't hear your feelings today and he goes to live stream Doc and he
searches for a new dog let me pick something that dummy Josh doesn't know
anything about um what do you think of
veridium usage in um last for
ponies I don't want to talk anymore
he'll find oh oh slick you got to give it to me if I got lonus to be quiet! that
is like an epic Achi that's actually that is quite impressive we should
probably have a separate like lower third animation that like can put a
little crown on him that's like achievement unlocked do I get a badge
badge on the Forum oh silenced Linus and
it can be like one of the like the silence icons from video game like was
actually able to silence lonus badge award Forum we're actually going to be
adding Awards on our Forum speaking of me not having they're done they're
mostly done oh good work well it was uh
call out of windspeed I installed it he distributed which was a huge job so
thank you w speaking of fist bumps
EA is apparently getting sued for
shutting down the servers for games that they're not really running anymore so
this was posted on the Forum by ich chondo and the article is from Tech dirt
and basically what's happening is Justin
Basset claims he bought several sports themed games for Xbox 360 for about
$59.99 each relying on Electronic Arts representation that the games were
enabled for unlimited online play but the games were available for only a
limited time he says had the plaintiff known at the time he would not be able
to play the products online for a certain amount of time he would not have purchased the products or paid the price
he paid for the
products whose side are we on here
should they have to run servers forever should they not un Unlimited No not
necessarily unlimited but the amount of time that EA does run servers is not
very acceptable because it's a such incredibly short amount of time now that
this document didn't actually State anywhere specifically on it unless it's
in the huge 24 page something or other legal document one page might be
somewhere there exactly how long the particular games that he talking abouted
but it is very very short period of time what he's asking for I believe is a
minimum of 3 years which is not a lot to
ask for a game Halo Halo 1 was like quite a or
Halo 2 sorry it was quite a while like quite a long time and NES was supported
for 24 years like that's too much to ask
in my opinion you shouldn't ask for 24 years but you should also be able to ask
for more than one or two years and I think what they were also asking is that
EA should disclose what the window is
you can't say unlimited if it's going to be a year or two Josh what do you think
the solution is here yeah good question right I mean I do see both sides of it
like you know indefinite support is is not something that you can ask for but
then yeah getting short changed like uh well you know you bought that last
Tuesday and uh didn't sell the way we thought it would and we want to
reallocate that team so you have till next Thursday to play your game yeah you
know I don't know I don't know what the answer is but yeah I think like like
three years something like that I think that's feasible I mean if you look at the investment that you put into it like
what what do you expect the life cycle of a game to be especially with the
sports game where you know I guess replay is is a lot higher you know
you're not looking replay is incredibly High yeah so it's one of those things
where it's not like oh I beat the storyline or I'm tired of going out and
just you know doing raids or whatever else I don't know I mean but I can rest
assure whatever EA does you guys won't like it you know what I think the
solution that I would be happy with is
EA running their own servers for however long they want then
allowing other people to do so afterwards and allowing third party
servers to be hosted because that's the thing that kills me about it we've got a
lot of the twitch chat going like counter- strike still running
Battlefield Bad Company 2 is still running quake's still running all this
stuff's still running and it's like well yeah because the community is allowed to keep
it running that's the problem with EA's closed platform when it comes to server
hosting is that the game runs for as long as they kind of sit there and go
like yep and and this time it's not just an EA problem just this EA getting sued
so it got into our doc well that in EA is one of the worst offenders because
they're doing yearly releases on their titles I mean if blizzard had released
you know 16 starcrafts by now I'm willing to bet Starcraft 1 support would
have fallen away at some point whereas blizzard releases so few titles the
overhead is especially because a lot of their older library is old ass games
where the overhead is much lower so so there's all of that but EA backs
themselves into this corner where realistically if they were fully
supporting with a battl net like infrastructure every single sports game
they've ever made for a period of like 10
years would it really take that much though it wouldn't not take that much
because even things like security patches security patches you'd have to
have teams working on them that's a good point the security patches point is very
good but hosting the infrastructure I it's not going to take that much okay
that I don't think is the problem the problem is the overhead yeah yeah people
working on it stuff like that and that's interesting and yes I understand and
like I said EA is not at all the only company that has done this and had
problems with it but it's just obviously they're a huge company they're going to
come up and our do but yeah every week every week in other
news EA actually did something really good yeah I'll bring this one up but a a
little bit really good it's it's down a little bit from the other one it's still
topics I hate to bail but I gotta roll so all right thank you for joining us
Josh you've been a fantastic guest guys
that let us know in the twitch chat I'm actually going to start asking twitch
chat to rate all of our guests on a scale of 1 start with
Josh he's a model of course he's going to get highly rated models do not always
get highly rated when they are like you know sex toy models because those
pictures are gross dude what you didn't
know what kind of modeling Josh does evidentally neither did I but you
know I'm glad I found out just because just L it's just cuz you're good with
Photoshop I don't know what posters you got on your wall but you know I tell you
what the next time this that that I do the live stream because I will be back
in person and then I can turn around and look at your I guess homage to Tech
Syndicate behind you there on the wall hey it is it is always right outside the
frame at all times you know how Logan's always joking about he could potentially
not be wearing pants I could potentially have lewd photos of you Logan slick and
every other industry affiliate that I've ever talked to just out of frame
right here right here guys and I could
potentially not be wearing pants peace Josh thanks for joining us and we'll see
you again soon sounds cool I'll see you guys later thanks for having see you later joosh all
right so why don't we move on to our next topic which is that EA sucks a
little bit less a little a little bit less I don't give them that much credit
for this no neither do I that's why I keep on saying a little bit where is it
ah yes okay I couldn't find it because it was hiding it the the the the title
of the article was EA did something good which was I wasn't looking for that even
so so EA this was posted on the lineus tech tips Forum by user lightning thank
you very much for that EA raises
$188,000 for AIDS research more than 80
staffers took part in the event which is a 10 km fundraising wathon the money
will go to the San Francisco AIDS Foundation and 50 other Aid Service organizations throughout the bay area's
important to be involved etc etc etc and
yeah they they they they match the employees cont contributions okay that's
what they do so they match the employees contributions which totaled
$118,000 but you're EA yeah I mean to me this is kind of
like um you know I can't sorry I can't possibly say it's bad no because it's
not it's not a bad thing but it's like this doesn't make up for if if I don't I
don't know maybe this is a yearly thing whatever maybe this has just been going
on forever but if this was an attempt to like buy back some of the hate like dude
you're really far off you should have made a bigger splash I mean it's kind of
like uh it just seems kind of hollow like you know when a celebrity gets
diagnosed with some disease and then they donate millions of dollars to the
foundation that's trying to cure the yeah and then when it's something that
doesn't affect them personally it's just like uh they tweet about it or whatever
that to me is what this kind of feels like where it's like um yeah you could
have done more but I don't want to criticize because the reality of it is
you did thousands of still a very good thing so I'm I'm happy that EA did this
and if it's a yearly thing then it's just probably something that's been going on forever and it's not a huge
deal it's just a part of the company that's very cool if this was an attempt
to like make people like them more then dude you missed the mark by quite a bit
so I I would like to know more about the story but good job EA thank you for
donating to raids raids research raids
research no I think you're thinking of
Blizzard yeah I I meant to say AIDS research we're on
fire today we are on fire today all right let's talk about the lab grown
Burger because I totally think this is awesome so this actually is sort of in
line with the conversation that we were having about building an all-in-one
that's a like a boutique grade all-in-one computer when you only build
a couple of them something that is by definition Boutique it is extremely
expensive so this is an article from Digital Trends unsurprisingly says the
headline the $300,000 lab grown Burger so this was
made using um 3D printing technology as
well as simulated meat that was grown as
opposed to actually hold on no no this one does use 3D printing or doesn't I
know there's something else that's so blah blah yeah 3D printed lab grown
Burger um to build what should be
nutritionally and in theory taste-wise
beef yeah so it's it cost $331,900 to produce no one liked it and
it's kind of insane but here's the tweets from the uh the BBC
correspondent Hanny says she expected
texture to be softer it's close to meat but not juicy there's no fat in the
burger so tasters say not the right flavor both tasters want
ketchup the lack of fat marbles means that the lack of savory overindulgent
finish that we've come to en Joy that's a direct quote almost direct quote from
the article is is not there we like fat
we like juice and it's not F salt and fat and salt juice and this is a health
focused 3D printed Burger yeah I I'm
sure if they see another thing is if you look at the picture there's bun Patty
tomato lettuce yeah they probably could have dressed it up a little more mus they
could they could have put ketchup on it this is kind of a fun article I don't
know if you read this but they've got other ridiculously expensive foods that
you could have bought instead so 331 golden opulent Sundays which is like
expensive chocolates gold covered almonds chocolate truffled candies
fruits and topped with a 23 karat edible Gold Leaf you can get diamond encrusted
Sushi you could get 331,000 McDonald's
cheeseburgers which would kill
you I mean yeah whatever um all right
moving on to our next thing John carac joins Oculus as the CTO so we were
talking last week I think about how NVIDIA is making their own virtual
reality headset and some thoughts that
was like a weird prototype weird prototype thing and all that kind of stuff but some some interesting thoughts
came up people talking about maybe more mature companies were going to step in
and just blow up the field I saw a lot of comments about this in different
places and people were worried that Oculus might get run over Oculus would
Pioneer the whole thing and then just get completely run over John carac steps
Everything Changes Oculus Rift is now that mature company it like doesn't
matter anymore The credibility is there just I mean like okay when you're when
you build the Prototype that works your credibility goes like this oh when valve
is all like got their panties all wet about what you're doing your credibility
goes like this John karmac is one of those guys that could actually sit at a
round table with someone like Gabe Newell and talk shop so when he legit
joins your company as the CTO then your
credibility goes like this you get one of those big iterations of credibility
that he was just talking about it's just huge so good for them what's great about
him is he's one of those guys that again this is The credibility conversation
where it goes beyond his technical skill because a lot of uh truly Visionary guys
I mean I think Steve wnc's a great example which will help segue into our
next topic um where they're Visionaries
and they Geniuses and they're brilliant but I mean put them in front of a camera
or you try to like talk to them and you're kind of
like they can be I mean and was is a lot better particularly these days I mean
his Big Bang Theory appearance was awesome yeah
but having someone who's as eloquent as
John carac he's a great interviewee he's fantastic I mean's amazing like he's so
good I mean we could just sort of like you know wank off John karmac for the
rest of this show I think and and both
of us would enjoy it I don't know that he would John if you're watching I'm sorry for saying that that was totally
inappropriate but you're awesome and uh very excited that he's now the CTO of
oculus rift because I'm super stoked to get it everyone else is super stoked to
get it and this just makes me much more confident the I mean future of gaming
guys future of gaming seriously that's uh extremely exciting speaking of which
I wanted to bring up something that I didn't have a chance to talk about last
week oh I said I was going to segue into uh into the uh the jobs movie is this
better than that I think maybe okay let's do it do it um our our old things
that people tried to make and fail that brutally now becoming things that make
tons of sense and everyone super excited about like the Power Glove turning into
peragine Virtual Boy turning into Oculus R I never replied to an email from
paragan you probably should crap they were gonna no cuz I reached out to them
about getting a sample so that we could uh so we could check it out and showcase it I'm going to email you right now so
that you remember to do that later shoot cuz I think he said said no initially
cuz they didn't have any they didn't have any budget for it or something like that but then I think he reached out to
me again so for those of you guys who haven't heard of it the paragan glove is
I'm just going to load it up here the paragan home let's go ahead and fire
this up all right so there talk about Power Glove versus paragan so Power
Glove is they're actually very different but the idea of having a controller stra
to your hand and or ARM in some way is still inherent in peragine so what you
do is you have your controlling thumb and you touch different points on your
fingers to the contacts on your um on your thumb so there's contacts along
each one of your fingers and you touch it to your thumb and then those are
bound to buttons on your keyboard so you can essentially play games with just
your hand which is interesting enables
different my favorite thing about it is if you have special disabilities it can
help you a lot now you tried it you didn't like it that much initially I
tried it I didn't like it that much initially because I what I was trying to
do was and one of the problems is certain pieces of Hardware will not demo
well you have to use it for a while to
actually get used to it so I sit down try and play DotA with this thing and
I'm trying to quickly press all the buttons by tapping my fingers together
and it just felt weird because my natural muscle memory is not to tap my
fingers together when I when I want to press uh qw R right I'm not tapping my
fingers together so I'd run up to someone to fight and then instinctively my hand would like go down to try and
like tap on the keyboard and i' be like no wait I have to press and then i' have
to remember like which one was which and it it wasn't twitch and it wasn't
instinctive but if you play with it for a while it could be twitch and
instinctive so I would be interested to play with it for like a day instead of a
five minute demo that I got at PS a few years back right so I didn't like it and
I don't necessarily think you could be as fast because on a keyboard all your
fingers will be resting on those keys but okay hold on hold on think about this for a minute
okay um
Oculus combining I know exactly paragan and then something like Lea frog
yep combining everything together all
these Technologies coming in at one is going to make them all stronger Omni
needs other things to be awesome Oculus doesn't necessarily need other things to
be awesome but raises up so much when you add other things to it so I don't
know it could no
way so for the fourth time we are attemp
in to record the back half of this show
which I think is actually going to
kill me and or slick at some point here
because between the technical difficulties with the initial stream and
then the fact that we thought we were recording and then we weren't and then
we thought we were recording again and then we weren't because I think that was
my bad that time cuz I think I clicked live stream and our internet is still
down um okay and then live stream usually does both so you thought it
would be fine so I like I was on autopilot I very rarely used the local
record feature because oh cuz this is supposed to be a
live show but it's not
apparently back to Ashton Kutcher back to Ashton Kutcher anyway we left off
with the paragan where the clip just kind of dies and basically we're excited
because paragan um is a glove that you
can use to interact with your computer and with not a keyboard board and that
plus Leap Motion is cool and that plus Oculus is cool and the way it all
integrates is going to be cool things that aren't cool Ashton cutcher I'm
sorry but punct wasn't cool 70 show was
cool but dude that was an awful long time ago and this is a Gizmodo article
on was basically saying in an email
that's kind of not how it happened yeah
so so I I want to jump in right away on
something that it took me a while to remember before but in spite of the fact
that it's in your notes for this topic you said it the first time you said it
the second time forgot the third time and then the fourth time I'm opening
with it you're opening with it okay hit me go watch Pirates of Silicone Valley
it's an amazing movie and is a really good accurate portrayal of the beginning
of both Microsoft and Apple so if you want all the starting of it go back
watch that movie it's an older movie it's still really good this has some
Hollywood going on and I mean there's
like this scene in an underground parking lot where jobs is like was don't
you see it's the future of computing
holy crap man oh my God we're going to change the world and from W's sort of
interpretation he seems to be a pretty grounded guy with no real incentive to
lie about things at this point not
close we never had such interaction and roles I'm not even sure what it's
getting at personalities are very wrong although
mine is closer don't forget that my purpose was
inspired by the values of The Homebrew Computer Club so these ideas that of
computers affecting Society didn't come from jobs they came from The Homebrew
Computer Club they were widely spoken about there I'm paraphrasing Steve Jobs
came back from Oregon came to a club meeting and didn't start talking about
the great social impact his idea was to make a $20 PC board and sell it for $40
to help people at the club build the computer he wanted to make some money
yes and help people build computers the lofty talk came much further down the
road and I never looked like a professional we were both kids our
relationship was so different than what was portrayed I'm embarrassed but if the
movie is fun and entertaining all the better in fact looking at the portrayal
of jobs in the movie uh based on what I've read in the biography about him
basically being a smelly hippie that you wouldn't want like anywhere near your
furniture or children like it it really
seems like they've go watch Pirates of Silicon Valley okay
there now we've done that topic let's move on to the next one that we're doing
for the bloody fourth time HTC1 Max I
can't even remember is this was this did we do this before I think we did this
before before the the bad things okay we did the felony thing before the bad
things the the the console thing yeah console optimizations yes John karmac
again I swear we could talk about how awesome John karmac is like forever we
we just did we just we have we have now talked about how awesome John carac is
forever all day we've been talking about John carac you're awesome um so
basically the performance boosts oh this
was posted on the Forum by Tech fanatic Matt higgy has come out and said the
performance boosts that they are achieving by optimizing their game for
multicore in order to Port it to the PlayStation 4 are already going to be
able to affect the optimization of the PC
version and Planet Side 2 is nothing if not a poorly optimized single thread
single thread only game so the thing
about PS4 and Xbox One is that they might have eight core CPUs but man they
are not powerful cores no they are like they are like if you know a vegetarian
had bulimia and wasn't taking the proper supplements like dude they've got no
energy because they're you know not
suppl they don't have a correct diet and they're not keeping their food I don't
know where I'm going with this I'm tired
it has actually been a phenomenally long day and I didn't sleep till like 5:30
last night he's had a different way of describing those cores every single time
we've done this and that was the best one I think by best You' being worst
yeah anyway the cores aren't very powerful so for game developers to be
able to leverage that power we're talking we we're talking cell processor
all over again where it's that was way Ahad of time and no one was able to
optimize it different architecture and there was a buch ofes and blah blah blah
blah blah now they x86 so it's like guys
get your act together optimize this
stuff and the PC will benefit as well which is great because developers could
rely on the PC to have these Uber single
thread cores and that's on both the Intel and AMD side but these more mobile
optimized low power consumption Apu chips in these consoles aren't able to
do it it's going be great because games like Planet Side had no real intention
of updating the performance of their game who really cares they're going to
maybe runs well enough yeah it's fine people know how much they need to run
Planet Side so now they're optimizing it for the console and now it's just going
to make everything better it's not a bad thing at all speaking of optimization
wait did we talk about Cuda is doomed I have no idea I have no idea what we
talked about anyway icho on the Forum skip this if we've already talked about
it I don't I don't know um so
oh man basically AMD shots fired Ron Taylor on apus gaming in the end of Cuda
basically the summary is Cuda is a closed standard Gamers like what's this
this quote is so awesome just fires
everything all the bullets F okay so he's talking about FX but because
there's a parallel being drawn between FX and Cuda and that they're both close
standards unlike opencl FX is an utter
failure because it's proprietary nobody want wants it you don't want it I don't
want it Gamers don't want it analysts don't want
it so I think that pretty much uh that
pretty much says it I mean the thing about fiz X is that in the very
beginning it was much more terrible than it is now it was like this weird
dedicated card that ran in a PCI slot of all things I me nobody really bought it
yeah if anyone needed to sort of you know work through their mind that it
wasn't doing anything the fact that it ran in a PCI slot meant that there
probably wasn't much data transfer going on here so it probably wasn't I mean
that's an oversimplification it could be doing a lot of work on its side and then
spitting out results that don't require much bandwidth but I'm just I'm kind of
making fun of it um and then it got better when NVIDIA acquired them and now
anyone with an NVIDIA graphics card was able to run physx accelerated Cuda
accelerated physx all that stuff but at the end of the day I think that I think
he's right I think Open Standards like open CL are going to be the future I
mean you look at even companies like Adobe what a major win that was CS6
running Cuda that might have just won it for them because okay open platforms and
computers go together like nothing ever before people love open platforms on
computers I trying to find a different way to say this than every single other
time I've said it um you don't have to it's okay just go over bait them and
they'll bear with it there there's paid which people aren't totally into on
computers then there's free which is kind of a big deal then there's open
which is on a completely different platform because the second you bring out open everyone can optimize it for
their own use and they can either deliver it for free or they can charge
money or they can charge money for it depending on how they how they augment
it but when someone like Adobe backs it you know that adobe is going to probably
be contributing in some way yes and I mean the thing is that it's not like
cuda's dead no like it's certainly not dead today I mean look at something like
the Titan super computer any kind of specialized application where you're
really like specialized hardware and specialized programming languages may
actually be optimal for an like that where you are really dialing
down into the hardware to get the absolute most out of it and you're
purpose building a single machine and purpose building software to run on it
but then again maybe that's what Ron's talking about is maybe we shouldn't
purpose build software in purpose bu because at the same time if if you take
an open platform you can you can hack into it and change things to make it
purpose buil yes so so open is open's
great and that's basically what he's saying so there there you go yet another
thing that uh that we something talked about before but now we're talking about
again um did we talk about 3D NE flash yet ah
yes no we didn't okay Samsung changing the SSD game again with 3D vertical Nan
flash this is fantastic because Samsung's already using really
Innovative strategies to bring more performance to SSD so things like RAM
caching with their rapid technology Tech ology as well as that weird mode I don't
even remember what they call it but basically they're emulating SLC flash
operation on TLC Flash in order to get a
performance boost that's temporary but very very real and something that many
users will be able to realize a lot of the time definely now they're driving
capacity what how many layers is this 24 I believe so there it is uh yes 24
layers vertically they can stack 24 layers of traditional styled flash this
was posted by M on the Forum by the way on top of each other's vertically to
just oh your capacities are going to explode so we're going to be talking
about smartphones that instead of coming in 16 32 and 64 gig like they have been
since the dawn of bloody time we might be talking about 384 gig
smartphone a yeah I mean come on like iPad 1 had the same capacities available
as iPad 4 which is brutal and you look at Apple they actually are trying to
drive things forward look launched IP after IP 3 we we can
build so here it is does it bone people
who just bought an iPad 3 a little bit oh I don't know maybe but they don't
care here's a higher resolution display because we can here's a more faster
processor because we can and I think if they could deliver higher capacities
while maintaining their lucrative product profit margins they would this
will enable it so yay stacking stuff find another topic go
go uh what have we not talked about NVIDIA tablet Market thing yes yay
NVIDIA diving into tablets Beyond NVIDIA Shield which hopefully ours is going to
arrive soon so what we were discussing was how Microsoft tried to dive into
tablets and it was a very very bad thing very very bad thing and how while this
is dangerous and I think jumping into the tablet game at this point in time is
borderline suicidal posted by telha on the Forum by the way there's a Maximum
PC article that we're going to go to go ahead y um it's it's borderline suicide
but if someone's going to do it it might as well be NVIDIA because they're going to gain some experience from their
shield and they're going to get more developers looking into building that
style of Android game not necessarily touchcreen Android game and then they're
going to come up with a tablet and that tablet will probably like hear
controllers whatnot like it's it's going to be Tegra 5 it's going to be gaming
and I mean you look at what they're doing on the software side as well it's
more than just the hardware with these guys lately and I mean that's what and
it's funny because that uh that article has a link or has a picture of the Razor
Edge and that's another company that's trying to differentiate based on not
only Hardware but also software so you look at what they're doing with comms
which by the way guys we are powered by Razer comms download it here if you
haven't already try it out it's free it's voice chat software that doesn't
require any kind of server or any kind of complicated setup and anyway that's
what NVIDIA is doing Shadow play GeForce experience it's more than just FPS now
yeah yeah and the built-in h264 encod in
Kepler may be a big part of this
upcoming tablet I fully expect them you you said that was a picture of the razor
tablet and yeah but I fully expect them to have some type of controllers oh yeah
I wouldn't be surprised at all probably similar to that style or something like
that style and I mean with h264 and code like with Shield you're able to use a
Kepler grade GPU to push to it and it can decode it yeah but this is an older
architecture now at this point whereas if we have a Kepler based on the tablet
now all of a sudden stand like Wy that
are I mean come on who's put up your hand if you actually used YY at some
point other than at work no so I'm not going to put up my hand so okay Wii uh
you know you look at devices like chomecast we might be looking at with
built-in hardware and coding ways to stream High much higher bit rate much
higher quality video streams with dumb
dongles on the other end and by the time that rolls around we might have a Next
Generation CH caster something like that that's per that's a perfect match for it
yep definitely definitely extremely exciting so if anyone's going to pull it
off probably NVIDIA probably NVIDIA so it's still crazy yeah it's still insane
but they could do it which is cool um was that all we did before build
doogs or did we do more uh we had the radon 9970 rumors so this is the
volcanic islands series of gpus which is
sort of appropriate because per meru
post on the Forum the rumor is the 9970 will have a 300 wat TDP which actually
if that's true I can't imagine that's true that should exceed the PCI Express
standard I believe I thought it was 275 Max that's interesting I didn't even
think about that I could be wrong I could be wrong but anyway huge TDP this
is the rumored card uh the code name is Hawaii there's also a rumor that they're
going to launch it in Hawaii at like a special press event that would be kind
of cool um prepare your water blocks Oh
serious post here I we've talked a few times about how
water cooling not being as big of a deal as it was before on graphics cards it's
becoming a bigger deal hello yeah exactly Titan this speaking of Titan the
rumored performance is that it'll be around 5% faster than Titan so while we
can't confirm nor deny the rumors because we actually don't know there's
oh wait there's a lot of stuff in here about specs so they're claiming 1 gigz
clock speeds with 4 th Shader units um
effective memory clock of anywhere from 6 GHz to 6 7 GHz 52 bit bus 4 gigs of
ddr5 gddr5 memory um I guess it's kind of in line
with even though we can't confirm or deny kind of in line with what AMD's
been doing it makes sense they slapped pricing on
$79.90 got that driver out pricing I don't know if you saw netlink but there
was a 7970 for like 329
which is pretty cheap so it is pretty cheap yeah it's looking like they're
adjusting pricing in their product stack to make room for these before they even
arrive so yeah it could be a very exciting time
for graphics cards over the next little bit here graphics cards have been really exciting for a little bit and AMD has
been kind of doing things a little differently like coming out and saying
no new gpus this year and then just and
then releasing one like immediately with the 7790 I was a different architecture and
then like it's like September which is
last time I checked in the same calendar year as like February when they were
saying this I says pardon so guys when does
your year start Yo Dogs I heard you like
sort of throwing everyone off a cliff in
terms of how closely they're able to follow along with what you're doing
doing exactly over there I mean I guess it's good because you know you don't
want your competitor getting the drop on you or anything like that but uh which
normally it seems like everyone does but in this case not necessarily yep yep yep
all right why don't we tackle one more topic before we do build of the week and
then we can uh sign off for the fourth bloody time on this uh here why don't we
do something that we skipped last time Microsoft digs more holes for its
console okay so I got find this give me one
second those movies crashed as badly with the fourth installment as the X I
wish it was the fourth Xbox wouldn't that be great I love Harrison Ford and Indiana
Jones as much as anyone but speaking of which Harrison Ford is apparently going
to be in the new Expendables movie really yeah Bruce Willis was asking for
a million dollar a day they offered him 3 million for 4 days and he held out and
uh Stallone replaced him within 72 hours
with on his Twitter he was like a better actor a nicer guy and then he said
something on Twitter about how like being lazy and greedy is a bad career
move or something like that so well this is supposed to the whole idea of
Expendables was they were just screwing around was it not the first movie was
terrible so they couldn't have possibly been trying to make a serious movie it
was supposed to be just like everyone getting back together we're kind of
getting older now it's kind of the end of our careers just make a movie and have fun that's I I read that and then
here we are three movies into the who
cares whatever I refused to watch the second one based on how terrible the
first one was I don't think it's for you I think they're having fun on their
own oh well whatever um dlf posts on the
Forum this is uh this is a an article from one hit pixel oh this is just
terrible cuz game streaming is such a big thing and you look at companies like
twitch where we stream our where we do our live stream and everyone's trying to
figure out how to cash in on game streaming Microsoft apparently thinks
the method to cash in is going to be to require users to pay for Xbox Live uh
gold one thing is people are probably going to be streaming multiplayer games
just to be completely honest and if you're playing a multiplayer game you have Xbox Gold anyways okay that much is
true I'm gonna I'm gonna play Devil's although I will okay although I will
never ever mark my words sign up for a
subscription based server it's not g to happen so
you're not so I won't sign up for a pay permon MMO I'm not a console player I
know but I mean even on PC I won't sign up for a pay permon MMO I'm not going to
I don't support that model it's a I don't like that model freeo play is
getting kind of gross lately though dedicated servers dedicated servers are
awesome dedicated servers are what I want and no I I don't don't I don't
think free to play is necessarily the right way to go either because there's a
lot of pay to win and there's a lot of uh what I think it was Logan that was
talking about just sort of the general level of trolling stupid itude that goes
on with with freeo play no barrier of Entry I think is not necessarily great
either but yeah anyway
so I mean and imagining paying for an
Xbox Live gold membership to me is like if you guys all just refused to pay for
it it would go away it would would be free they do need people to buy the
consoles and they do need people to buy the games but everyone just kind of
keeps doing it sry go ahead I'm just at the same time Sony had it free people
didn't like it so to BU the they had to
make it paid so they could fund it more had to is an awfully strong way two to
keep shareholders happy and if they didn't their company could
close when you're a publicly traded company you have to do certain things
okay fine um and and as now this is just
something that I scraped up right before the stream started so please correct me
if I'm wrong in the comments but as far as I know you can record but not
necessarily upload through the PlayStation if you don't have PlayStation Plus or whatever it's called
okay but it makes a ton of sense that you could just take that file and upload
it off your computer oh wait no it says right here Sony's share feature for
PlayStation 4 allows users to record and upload up to 15 minutes of footage and
is not restricted to PlayStation Plus users record and upload okay yeah so
Microsoft says uh allows gold numbers to record up to 5 minutes of in-game
footage for editing and upload to the Xbox Live service that's that's a thing
too they can apparently edit it on the Xbox I don't think you can edit why
would you want us why would what what who Who records a five minute recording
and then edits it on their XBox I mean this is how out of touch Microsoft is
yep I agree I saw that and I was like oh cool you can edit it terribly like it's
just going to suck all you're going to be doing is cutting it and it won't be
that great I mean looking at how much worse they managed to make Windows Live Movie Maker than the original Windows
Movie Maker the original Windows Movie Maker as far as I have been told wasn't
even that bad no it wasn't that bad yeah Windows Live Movie Maker isn't even that
bad but it isn't as good as the old one yeah yeah so
anyway brutal we should all just go back to that awesome game 3D Movie Maker that
thing was awesome you're too you're too young for that game but it was oh man it
was awesome uh I wasn't actually I can't believe it's 5 minutes anyway I still
don't think this is going to prevent you from capturing via HDMI using something
like an a live gamer portable or something like that my understanding is
Microsoft hasn't said that they're going to be enabling htcp whereas I believe
Sony is still holding to the hdcp enabled outputs on PS4 just like they
did with PS3 so it's not like Sony is perfect in all of this by any stretch of
the imagination all right all
right now to build logs we keep going we have a few more topics yeah we do kind
of have a few more CBS blocks online subscribers from watching their con
content if they use Time Warner they're big is like totally not okay nope to to
put it in sort of the most this is posted on the Forum by E chondo
ho crap in response to time order
cutting off access to CBS in a few major markets today CBS has retaliated Against
Time Warner Internet subscribers by blocking access to popular CBS shows
currently available to watch on cbs.com
this my friends is an abuse of power and
is nothing to do with the way that the internet should be working Internet
Service Pro I mean we're not even talking traffic shaping anymore we're
talking about outright that's my competitor and I want people who support
my competitor to be punished punishing your customers or anyone else's
customers punishing the customer is
it I'm just mad
basically screwing over your customer in anyway screwing over anyone in any way
should not be allowed and this is directly screwing over someone that is feeding you money it's not okay and
just time order representatives are calling out cbs's move as an abuse of
power specifically stating CBS has shown an utter lack of regard for consumers by
blocking Time Warner Cables customers including our high-speed data only
customers so not even a cable TV competitor from accessing the shows on
their free website CPS enjoys the privilege of using public owned Airwaves
to deliver their programming they should not be allowed to abuse that
privilege it's getting real y'all everything with different isps is
getting nuts right now I hope that they you know what I almost hope that they
abuse it that they abuse their power as much as they possibly can get away with
they get crushed so that they get crushed so that there is so that the
government can't just kind of you know
be like well it's not that bad yet we're
just G just crush them you know what I
hope that it gets to the point where a
third of the subscribers in the US can't access a third of the other websites
because it's not being served over someone's pipe or someone's butt hurt
because someone else's Hub is you know has band with being using I hope that
they get that petty about it so that this all just goes away that is what I
hope because otherwise I don't think it'll go away no probably
not h all right why don't we call that it
let's do build logs of the week which conveniently I already have downloaded
because we've already done this so I'm just going to have to find the download
and we are starting with the aquad
dreamer boom beautiful just like last
time I was just gonna say it's kind of weird doing this again because usually
it's it's it's first usually fairly first impressions for you yeah
and I haven't seen my PowerPoint other than just stretching the image and going
for gold so it's it looks it looks very
nice um one thing that you brought up the first time is he's got four fans
going in some crazy awesome wind tunnel yeah the four fans here it's like fan
one fan two fan three fan four and it's
just like all the air but it shouldn't be loud because those are fantex fans
those are quite nice fans he's got he's got white white LED strips going all the
way around the outside of his case which look great gge and he has awesome
awesome sing on everything and a lot of nice custom spray painting I pain
graphics card shouds painted as or Crossfire Bridge rather um you had
brought up the first time around that it was supposed to originally be a water
cooled build but kind of looks like it's underwater anyway it's a nice night shot
yep it's it's hard to get nice night shots but it looks it looks great there
he did a really really good job with this system all right speaking of knights
this one's nuts these photos that we have here are in his basically it looks
kind of like a pamphlet advertisement at the end these are not his build log in
progress photos i' highly suggest that you check out all the Builds on the pill
blog there is so much back sweat going into this pillow at this point that I
think it's almost soaked all the way through it smells awful like here I
don't want to smell it I don't want to smell it I want to talk about a
Dragonite PC
jeez wow okay Paul T has been on build
logs of the week before he makes awesome incredible computers um I I wouldn't be
surprised at all if he's selling this it looks even say he's the pton of Computer
Builders oh my goodness let me just go ahead and open this up wow just like
last time it's amazing it's a it's a
Cosmos 2 the front is gorgeous the Sid's
got a window that's gorgeous and custom and holy crap it gets better than that
my problem with the Cosmos 2 is that it's big for no apparent reason you
can't actually put that much stuff in it but it looks like he basically got it it
so one thing that he's done if you notice right away is there's no I/O coming out of the back of the case the
back of the case is on the the right hand picture so what he's done is
rotated the motherboard 90° and custom formed the computer to work well with
that so he's made an exhaust area on the back which can't see a ton of details on
there but it has individual slanting down fins it's a dark night how much
were you expecting to see oh my God hey oh why are you
trolling Paul system um cuz I love it so
hard that's I guess that's not a bad not a bad point yeah could be worse um yeah
so he's done a ton of custom work for it if you want to see his like artist
rendering prototype designs before he started building and his whole huge
amount of pictures build log please check it out on the Forum yeah check out the build log section of the build logs
Forum build logs of the week section of the build log forum
okay so um this system has actually been done for a while I just have not been
able to get wher to put it in the actual freaking build log section so he finally
did so we're finally showcasing it this isn't necessarily something that's kind
of along the lines of what we usually put on here yeah gaming rigs yeah not
for gaming although with six PCI Express slots and 32 opteron course and looks
like up to whatever 8 by 16 would be so
so 8 * 10 is 80 and another five is 40
so that's 100 probably what 156 gigs of memory or something stupid like that
yeah about there that sounds about right yeah potentially so as long as the board
actually supports it um like my SSD and my laptop isn't that big and we're
talking RAM I I wonder if that board supports it
um yeah so click next might should even support more than that because if you
throw some register dims in there I think there are 16 G registered
Dems sexy that' be cool Dem heat sinks
that RAM yep that custom rack I was just that
rack wow um so he he he commissioned
this rack it's you can you can get custom design racks from I don't
remember the guy's name I've heard they plastic surgeons that do
that this guy does it with a luminum aluminum custom design racks that is
some space aged stuff you got going on there armor rack armor you know maybe
that explains chicks NVIDIA games
right that's why their boobs are so big
because they're armor they H right because they it's for plaing on the
inside because they patted the bra because they have poor
self-esteem then they had to wear armor
then there's clothing over
top solve that mystery
what now ESRB
anyways sorry we've done this a
lot had to make it interesting somehow this is a freaking awesome build and I'm
super stoked that wher did it and this is purely for folding as far as I know I
don't think he does anything with this system other than fold and it gets some
like monstrous number of I think it's
350,000 PPI or pbd pbd I think it's
called something ridiculous I mean wher's Far and Away the uh biggest contributor to the lus tech tips for
unfolding team dude you're awesome and I
think that pretty much wraps it up for the WAN Show this week thank you for
tuning in or I don't know it's not live anymore so thanks for watching the
archive thanks for watching the archive yo peace bye hopefully it worked this
time yeah I know right