WEBVTT 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:07.439 welcome to the W show we're getting Technical and we're getting sweaty 00:00:04.560 --> 00:00:10.800 apparently cuz like if I gave you a bear hug right now like it would be gross you 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:15.719 know it would be gross but I'm so used to it from sports that it's like it's only a little bit gross right I guess in 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:18.520 the shower when you guys hug each other you're wet from the 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:25.199 shower wow you know I never like a 00:00:22.240 --> 00:00:29.439 minute in I never I don't think for a minute 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:34.320 in I never actually played a sport that involved um like neither did I like 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:40.079 group showers neither did I oh I mean much to my much to my regret because 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:41.879 guess yeah I did football you played 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:46.440 football actually football didn't out of all no way how does football not in 00:00:44.559 --> 00:00:49.520 showers it was hockey football is all about like the bum slapping in the 00:00:47.879 --> 00:00:54.160 showers and stuff is my understanding everyone drove home sweaty everybody H 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:57.680 like you pretty much never had locker rooms interesting cuz I didn't play 00:00:55.640 --> 00:01:01.840 school football right okay and we're in Canada right where football is like not 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:07.799 not nearly as big all right so things that are things we have a great L show 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:13.680 for you guys this week John karmac joins Ulus as CTO but remains working for ID 00:01:11.520 --> 00:01:20.159 software okay so it's he hasn't completely gone off his tree but he's uh 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:22.640 he's evidently making a major bet on VR 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:26.159 and Oculus in particular which has got to be really exciting for them 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:31.079 especially after the tragedy recently where one of their co-founders was uh 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:37.920 was killed in an accident so uh that's uh that's kind of a big deal uh lab 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:41.360 grown Burger cost $300,000 tastes gross 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:42.290 apparently um the jobs movie has been uh 00:01:41.360 --> 00:01:50.360 sort of critically blown up a little bit was who 00:01:47.479 --> 00:01:56.240 is is outspoken on everything and very interesting to listen to yeah yeah yeah 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:58.039 exactly um has come out and said that a 00:01:56.240 --> 00:02:01.560 a very main particular scene in the movie just didn't happen at all and it's 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:08.200 he's not too worried that it didn't happen because obviously certain okay you're telling them too much about it 00:02:04.240 --> 00:02:08.200 this is the pre thing okay 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:18.000 okay really you've got oh you've got to be kidding me okay well I blame I blame 00:02:15.640 --> 00:02:26.009 diesel for this hit it add media file 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:51.400 without further Ado it's August 9th 2013 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:51.400 and I don't have my 00:02:51.720 --> 00:02:58.400 headphones yes the green machine is 00:02:56.040 --> 00:03:02.720 attached to my neck which will obviously contribute to the sweatiness our special 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:06.360 guest today if you guys don't already know if you didn't see the YouTube 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:11.640 announcement is the one and only Yosh from fractal Yos yes Yos well he works 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:14.720 for a Swedish company but he's not but he's not Swedish no he's about his 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:19.159 American I just found out he lives in Iowa yeah yeah you just found that out I 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:24.080 had no idea he was I knew he was somewhere east of here that's not really 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:29.959 saying a whole lot I KN you live in like that area it's 00:03:27.720 --> 00:03:33.959 it's over there well no I I knew I knew that he was on the continent of North 00:03:31.480 --> 00:03:38.680 America I knew he was south of the 49th parallel and I knew he was east of here 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:44.760 these are all the things I knew uh at any rate Josh is one of our favorite 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:47.760 industry Affiliates he's uh he's the 00:03:44.760 --> 00:03:49.760 former CEO and president and whatever he 00:03:47.760 --> 00:03:54.879 wants to call himself of biohazard computers which was a boutique uh system 00:03:52.720 --> 00:03:58.840 builder that actually did some really crazy stuff I mean when we talk about 00:03:56.680 --> 00:04:04.319 Boutique system Builders we're talking paint jobs we we're talking like water 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:09.040 cooling we're talking like all kinds of cool yeah no Josh was not much crazier 00:04:06.640 --> 00:04:13.200 than that phase change all that kinds of awesome awesome awesome stuff so should 00:04:11.959 --> 00:04:17.639 we jump right into it what do you want to hit first we have so many great 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:20.959 topics today we can jump um right into the top of the list if you want and talk 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:24.360 about cellular companies in Canada did you put things in order this week a 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:28.400 little bit cuz I'll be kind of impressed if you managed to do that it it it has a 00:04:26.919 --> 00:04:32.240 interesting flow where it mixes it up so if people want to see a range of stuff 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:37.479 give them range of stuff cellular companies in Canada are crying foul 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:44.960 about the Canadian government facilitating the entry of Verizon 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:46.800 Wireless into Canada um now this is this 00:04:44.960 --> 00:04:51.360 is actually kind of funny the source for this one or at least where I first saw 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:53.360 it was from the NC Forum so I guess I 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:58.120 better give turx over there who I've actually had a number of exchanges with 00:04:55.880 --> 00:05:03.320 over the years he's got like 5,000 posts on there the uh credit for this one and 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:08.639 I want you guys to watch this video it's not that long Canadians deserve a Level 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:14.039 Playing Field fair for Canada this is the closest that publicly I've ever seen 00:05:12.080 --> 00:05:22.120 the main Telos here in Canada collaborate so B Rogers and Tellis are 00:05:17.840 --> 00:05:25.680 like this should give some idea how like 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:27.919 sleeping together they all are because 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:32.199 it didn't take long to get a nice schmexy looking little we website about 00:05:30.479 --> 00:05:35.319 how it's totally unfair to allow another wireless player in and I just I just 00:05:33.960 --> 00:05:39.039 want you guys to watch this I want to know if you can relate to this tell me 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:44.120 if the Telos we're going to do a Twitter Blitz after this guys tell me if the 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:48.680 Telos in your country are this frakin 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:51.880 brutal hi Michelle kick us off here a 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:53.639 giant us comp to come to Canada I 00:05:51.880 --> 00:05:58.240 thought will there be thousands of jobs lost think about it experts are saying 00:05:56.400 --> 00:06:03.360 most of their good jobs will stay South of the Border most of to their profits 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:06.199 too then this us giant gets to use our 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:11.520 existing infrastructure that took us 25 years to build and they don't contribute 00:06:08.960 --> 00:06:15.360 a scent so Canadian taxpayers will be effectively subsidizing the whole thing 00:06:13.960 --> 00:06:20.039 I believe communities like the montans of Canada should get the same technology 00:06:17.440 --> 00:06:23.759 that the big cities do that way my neighbors can be as productive and as 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:29.240 plugged in as people in any other part of the country it makes me proud it's a 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:33.080 very Canadian thing but now our government is allowing a giant us cell 00:06:30.919 --> 00:06:37.160 phone company to buy up small Canadian operators that cell phone companies like 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:42.319 mine aren't allowed to buy since we can't bid they'll likely even get a huge 00:06:39.919 --> 00:06:47.560 discount on the price effectively at Canadian taxpayers expense but it gets 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:51.599 better better for them even though this company is four times as big as all of 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:55.000 Canada's cell phone companies combined they're basically getting a huge 00:06:53.039 --> 00:06:59.160 discount to enter Canada will they care about employment in Canada I think you 00:06:57.039 --> 00:07:02.160 know the answer that's not fair for canadi 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:07.800 will this giant us company virtually ignore small communities like mine and 00:07:04.599 --> 00:07:09.919 focus on big cities it makes me angry 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:14.759 that the government is selling us out you know we teach our kids to play fair 00:07:12.599 --> 00:07:18.479 that's about as Canadian as it gets so why is our government giving a giant us 00:07:16.400 --> 00:07:23.319 Corporation special treatment that's not real competition it doesn't sound fair 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:27.639 for Canadians Ottawa should do something about the loopholes fast it doesn't just 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:31.759 hurt me oh wow I can't even watch this anymore country holy crap I don't think 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:39.599 I made it all the way through last time either cuz that thing is two minutes of 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:42.919 the most inan driil I think I have ever 00:07:39.599 --> 00:07:46.080 seen in my life it's this big old Saab 00:07:42.919 --> 00:07:49.039 story about like Mega Corporation I'm 00:07:46.080 --> 00:07:55.520 sorry there Verizon Wireless is only four times your size and you're kind of 00:07:51.400 --> 00:07:55.520 sitting here going boohoo poor 00:07:56.240 --> 00:08:01.639 me I mean you 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:05.520 C certain things that I like in there are just things that are completely blatantly wrong where they're like small 00:08:04.479 --> 00:08:13.720 communities should be able to have all the technology that big communities have my grandpa lives in near Winnipeg rural 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:15.759 Farmland area cannot get anything other 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:21.000 than like dead slow dialup and there goes my phone again um and like it sucks 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:24.319 he doesn't want it to be that slow he's an older guy and won't use the internet 00:08:22.520 --> 00:08:28.840 that much but when it takes him a few minutes to load a basic web page and 00:08:27.080 --> 00:08:34.760 when I can't show him anything that we make because on YouTube and that's too 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:37.039 much for dialup it's kind of messed up 00:08:34.760 --> 00:08:40.039 so that's just blatantly wrong and then the the whole fair play thing fair for 00:08:38.680 --> 00:08:45.720 Canadians it's already not fair for Canadians we pay way too much it's it's 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:47.200 fair for you jerk it's not fair for us I 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:52.040 mean the thing that bothers me about this is all you need to know about 00:08:49.560 --> 00:08:55.800 someone's business model and someone's profitability you can you can know 00:08:54.399 --> 00:09:00.399 everything you need to know about a company without even looking at a public 00:08:58.560 --> 00:09:07.959 company's Financial if the local sports arena is called the 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:09.880 Rogers Arena then Rogers had way too 00:09:07.959 --> 00:09:13.360 much money left on their balance sheet knows they're going to have way too much 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:18.800 money left on their balance sheet for the foreseeable future and needs a major 00:09:15.880 --> 00:09:23.399 spend that they can just kind of well justify somehow because naming Sports 00:09:21.040 --> 00:09:28.160 Arenas is a terrible terrible terrible Roi and is basically just a way to burn 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:32.160 money so that it kind of goes away quietly um that should be all you need 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:35.959 to know about how much of that money could have been spent on the 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:40.200 infrastructure that would bring oh I don't know highp speed higher speed 00:09:38.040 --> 00:09:44.000 internet connections better cell phone reception more Advanced Technologies 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:48.279 whatever else the case may be or improving customer service which quite 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:52.279 frankly out of all of them the ones I've had the best experience with at least on 00:09:50.560 --> 00:09:58.360 the cell phone side has been Bell and Rogers tell us is absolutely terrible 00:09:55.399 --> 00:10:02.680 and speaking to former tus employees the amount of bureaucracy and Bs that goes 00:10:00.959 --> 00:10:07.680 on there do you remember the story I told you the screwdriver Story the screwdriver Story how many people does 00:10:05.839 --> 00:10:11.959 it take to put a piece of RAM in a server at tell us you said I think it 00:10:09.880 --> 00:10:16.200 was four right it was I believe it was three three okay one one well it was the 00:10:13.800 --> 00:10:22.079 one guy who wanted it done who was who was my buddy and then it was someone to 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:26.760 open the case yeah someone to install the RAM and then was it I thought I 00:10:25.640 --> 00:10:31.320 thought it was one person to slide it out one person to open it one person to put the RAM in one person to CL close it 00:10:29.640 --> 00:10:35.440 one person to close it no no no that was me joking about it but the no the third 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:39.079 guy had to supervise oh yeah yeah yeah yes so the third guy was a supervisor 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:42.959 and I'm sitting here going you know what boo Fring who you don't have enough 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:46.800 money maybe stop wasting it on things like that so let's go to the Twitter 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:51.720 boards and let you guys uh give us your take on the 00:10:48.160 --> 00:10:54.120 whole how bad would you feel for your 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:58.240 incumbent Telos if your government basically stepped in and said well hold 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:02.440 on a second let's try to actually improve the quality of Serv whether the 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:06.200 Improvement in quality of service is for urban areas and I do understand their 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:09.079 point where yeah Verizon's going to come in and they're going to go after the 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:13.760 biggest whack load of customers of course but you know what you guys what 00:11:11.680 --> 00:11:16.480 you could do is you could spend some of the money that you have from your 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:21.920 current customers because you know what's coming upgrading your infrastructure and accessing the 00:11:18.920 --> 00:11:25.519 customers Verizon can't touch for now 00:11:21.920 --> 00:11:28.800 make it hard for them don't make a whiny 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:32.279 video be aggressive give us the wireless 00:11:28.800 --> 00:11:34.519 rates we know that you can to clear them 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:36.839 to clear some things up the auction that they're talking about the unfairness 00:11:35.760 --> 00:11:43.279 that they're talking about is for the 700 MHz Spectrum um new entrance so say 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:48.040 Verizon are able to bid for two of the four blocks of the new Spectrum they're 00:11:45.160 --> 00:11:52.720 like allowed to bid for two of them and incumbents or current ones are only 00:11:49.839 --> 00:11:55.760 allowed to bid for one each each each group that's already here is only 00:11:53.959 --> 00:11:58.959 allowed to bid on One Verizon would be allowed to bid on two that's what 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:03.839 they're so mad about and and there and there and their butt hurt because 00:12:00.800 --> 00:12:05.839 they're not allowed to bid because 00:12:03.839 --> 00:12:10.680 that's anti-competitive that we're not allowed to bid what about all the little 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:15.440 guys that you guys drove under by overbidding for any existing spectrum 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:19.199 that has been up for auction over the last however many decades it's been 00:12:17.839 --> 00:12:23.680 pretty much impossible it's been impossible for anyone else to get 00:12:20.920 --> 00:12:27.440 involved unless it's mandated by law such as that local cable company Delta 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:31.800 cable where Shaw is not allowed in that municipality for whatever reason I'm not 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:35.920 what it is but the reality of it is these are the same things you guys are 00:12:33.920 --> 00:12:39.310 all complainy pants about that you have been doing to other companies for all of 00:12:37.839 --> 00:12:44.760 these years so there you go that's what I have to 00:12:43.040 --> 00:12:49.199 say about it all right Twitter boards been on holiday for a week with 00:12:47.199 --> 00:12:54.040 no phone or Internet hey speaking of things that Telos need to get into the 00:12:51.760 --> 00:12:57.720 uh whatever Century we're in about the fact that you being on holiday why is 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:05.519 this all glitching out that's kind of weird screen region let's try that again again add screen region uh roaming 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:07.839 charges if that's not a you know archaic 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:14.760 thing yeah oh like if that's not a bunch of like 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:18.000 skevy uh Executives sitting around a 00:13:14.760 --> 00:13:20.120 table sort of behind closed doors 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:24.320 collaborating and colluding to keep rates as high as they possibly can I 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:27.920 don't know what is um JK okay you're going to have to message us again when 00:13:25.839 --> 00:13:31.360 Josh is actually on our government does have a fiber initiative which all line 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:36.040 providers have to be included in New Zealand and it's pushing us 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:41.279 forward I got no problem with government mandated everyone gets to be involved 00:13:39.040 --> 00:13:45.160 yeah it's pretty much like in the UK all the infrastructure is based on BT they 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:50.160 own all the lines and dictate everything and that's exactly how it is here the 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:54.880 guys who own the lines just call the shots and hopefully uh you know 00:13:52.839 --> 00:13:59.839 hopefully the move to wireless Spectrum where instead of it just being like oh 00:13:57.040 --> 00:14:03.639 well you know you collaborated 100 years ago to build these phone lines which has 00:14:02.199 --> 00:14:07.839 absolutely nothing to do with how the world works today therefore you own all 00:14:06.040 --> 00:14:12.560 of it and we can't do anything with wireless at least it can be controlled 00:14:10.800 --> 00:14:16.759 somewhat moving forward and there will be a balancing act I mean it's not like 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:21.199 if Verizon comes in here and steals all the business they won't which they can't 00:14:20.040 --> 00:14:26.040 because they don't even own enough Spectrum to do it in the first place and it's not like the government's going to 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:29.759 be like yeah you guys are never allowed to bid on Spectrum ever again it's just 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:34.040 going to it's going to be Balancing Act in the future and they don't want it no 00:14:32.079 --> 00:14:36.720 they don't want that and I just and I guess the thing that bothers me most 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:42.000 about it is the three of them are like getting in together to band up about it 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:46.480 because Verizon might not come in and play their game what I don't like is 00:14:44.560 --> 00:14:49.320 that it's not fair for Canadians it's not fair for Canadians and they're 00:14:48.040 --> 00:14:53.160 saying they're going to take a massive amount of the jobs they will take some 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:55.759 of the jobs but I guarantee you technicians are still going to need to 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:59.880 be up here and if technicians still need to be up here offices still need to be 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:03.759 up here yes there will be jobs up here you're not going to be able to Service 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:09.560 Canada without employing any Canadians so that's actually not possible for an 00:15:05.680 --> 00:15:12.320 IP anyway so yeah Brad seems to have 00:15:09.560 --> 00:15:15.959 uh the same sort of wow this is kind of weird okay there we go the same sort of 00:15:13.880 --> 00:15:21.680 negative feelings about Australia's Telos Australia does have similar 00:15:18.680 --> 00:15:25.600 challenges to Canada large land mass 00:15:21.680 --> 00:15:28.040 small sort of dense population centers 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:33.199 um but it still could be better I would be very happy there's no good data plans 00:15:30.199 --> 00:15:35.120 here top speeds are 1 megabit yep bring 00:15:33.199 --> 00:15:40.839 on the competition the Canadian Telos need to man up 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:43.720 indeed August 9 way to go you you did it 00:15:40.839 --> 00:15:48.360 again and I'm in the mar I say boohoo and I'm in the maritimes 00:15:45.800 --> 00:15:52.839 indeed you're you're brutal dude okay I know this is safe to click on you guys 00:15:50.319 --> 00:15:56.279 are you guys may actually like love this here hold on I'm gonna see if I can find 00:15:54.319 --> 00:16:02.920 one there you go so one of our viewers has acquired a Pikachu uh onesie so go 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:08.440 ahead and burn him on that as much as you want that's awesome but I think it's 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:12.240 awesome do you think newer fx8350 is will be worse overclockers now that the 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:15.360 best chips are being badged as 959s that is actually a very good question we 00:16:13.880 --> 00:16:22.240 should probably talk about that later you want to throw that on the dock while I continue the splitz sound card for 00:16:19.560 --> 00:16:25.480 hd558 anything from ASUS's Zonar line would be a great option you don't 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:29.079 necessarily need one with a beefy amp because that is not a high impedance 00:16:27.199 --> 00:16:33.120 pair of headphones perhaps they should pull their fingers 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:39.199 out of their Collective butts I think is the word you were looking for instead of 00:16:34.959 --> 00:16:41.440 complaining like spoiled kids yes indeed 00:16:39.199 --> 00:16:44.519 what are my opinions on the new LG G2 I don't know I asked for an eval unit to 00:16:43.160 --> 00:16:52.399 check out and sort of nothing ever happened so I don't really have much of an opinion I'm looking for a beast card 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:55.160 to hang any game 780 hard to go wrong 00:16:52.399 --> 00:17:00.680 with 780 however uh one of our topics later on is the rumor that am's Hawaii 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:03.399 series gpus may be coming soon so stay 00:17:00.680 --> 00:17:08.720 tuned for that uh was that an aperture science water bottle I saw you drinking 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:10.480 from yes indeed it was hydrogen monoxide 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:12.799 containment unit I think is the terminology you we're looking for not 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:18.240 water bottle so there you 00:17:15.600 --> 00:17:22.199 go let's see if we've got anything more little bit more on the Twitter Blitz 4K 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:26.959 content needs at least 20 megabit per second down I'm all for more competition 00:17:24.600 --> 00:17:33.039 help us get closer to the awesome I want indeed someone says uh refresh xplit and 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:37.799 what is that blue/green light on the Vengeance box behind 00:17:34.760 --> 00:17:41.360 slick I got no 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:44.480 idea yeah I don't know all right um 00:17:41.360 --> 00:17:48.360 4570s versus 8350 those are very 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:50.520 different chips um the 4570s is super 00:17:48.360 --> 00:17:54.880 power efficient and the fx8350 is anything but super not yeah like super 00:17:53.760 --> 00:18:00.840 like power like just super power man like 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:06.120 like pedal to the metal and efficiency to the winds so I guess decide what you 00:18:03.600 --> 00:18:10.919 want and then bu that what do you think of deleting the chips I think it's kind 00:18:08.080 --> 00:18:14.640 of risky um cool though seriously America has this stuff too Comcast 00:18:12.840 --> 00:18:18.640 pretty much has its own region while Verizon doesn't come into my region it's 00:18:16.840 --> 00:18:25.080 that whole territorial Monopoly things you know what I would love to 00:18:22.320 --> 00:18:29.480 see guys from the states coming up to Canada and sort of pooping all over the 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:32.799 collusion that's going on here and I'd love to see guys from Canada go down to 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:38.400 the States and poop all over the collusion there would absolutely love to 00:18:36.120 --> 00:18:43.280 see it because it's needed and I think eventually they're all going to just 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:46.760 collude with all of each other but at least initially we might see some 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:50.120 improvements which will maybe get us a little bit caught up in terms of them 00:18:48.600 --> 00:18:54.120 fighting for any amount of time will probably help at least a little bit 00:18:52.360 --> 00:18:57.520 you'll at least be able to sign up for like some kind of ridiculous deal and 00:18:56.080 --> 00:19:03.000 you can try and hold on to in grandfather in Forever 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:05.240 yes that is the secret I mean went 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:11.600 honestly okay I'm putting on my uh my my old NCIX hat for a bit when new EG 00:19:08.120 --> 00:19:14.520 launched in Canada like we were pooping 00:19:11.600 --> 00:19:21.960 bricks like leading up to that launch every every day was another 00:19:19.080 --> 00:19:25.919 conversation about sort of you know what are they going to do to to to to to 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:29.840 address sort of the differences in the Canadian Market because we knew things 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:34.080 they didn't in fact in fact NC still knows a whole lot of things I can look 00:19:31.760 --> 00:19:37.200 at new eggs offering and I can go yeah they clearly haven't figured this out 00:19:35.320 --> 00:19:42.720 yet about the way business Works in Canada and uh anyway we were we were 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:45.960 pooping bricks and that was scary and 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:47.400 when when new egg launched in Canada NCI 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:52.039 countered with one of the most aggressive sales in its history as a 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:55.960 company and customers don't always understand how much it costs to put on a 00:19:53.840 --> 00:19:59.320 sale cuz it wasn't Black Friday it wasn't Boxing Day there weren't 00:19:57.360 --> 00:20:05.840 manufacturer rebate that we were able to leverage it was 00:20:02.520 --> 00:20:07.919 just okay well here's all of our money 00:20:05.840 --> 00:20:12.679 just uh here you go customers we I guess we don't need this 00:20:09.360 --> 00:20:14.799 anymore and uh and then new new eggs a 00:20:12.679 --> 00:20:19.120 grand opening sale was pathetic it was like some outdated Phenom was like I 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:23.679 remember yours the Highlight I took some of that ncx money yeah I bet that was a 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:27.080 crazy sale I took a lot I think I built two computers for other people out of 00:20:25.280 --> 00:20:31.120 that sale and took some stuff for myself yeah it was not even kidding oh it was 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:37.159 like bat crap crazy um so I don't remember where I was going with that but 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:38.840 uh yeah why don't we move on to our next 00:20:37.159 --> 00:20:45.640 topic shall we what do you think we should do next maybe uh maybe a topic 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:48.080 little while sure uh I like that screen 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:52.120 one if you want to talk to because we should be getting Josh on here soon yeah 00:20:50.080 --> 00:20:56.400 let's get Josh going soon where is the screen one Amazon working on paper white 00:20:54.520 --> 00:21:00.760 oh okay that's your topic so you better uh on screen you better cover that one 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:06.919 all right so Amazon's working on a new screen technology this is an article 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:08.200 from quartz.com qz.com go ahead so 00:21:06.919 --> 00:21:14.840 basically they're going to be putting LEDs horizontally along the panel and 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:16.799 then it'll bounce light along the whole 00:21:14.840 --> 00:21:20.400 what do they call it a na Nano imprinted light guide it'll bounce it all the way 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:25.640 across and that will make the light hit the screen and then reflect out towards 00:21:22.919 --> 00:21:29.440 you instead of the light shining directly at you it'll be reflection 00:21:27.360 --> 00:21:33.440 which is more realistic when looking at paper books and it's supposed to be a 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:36.799 huge Improvement make it a lot better experience for the user much less ey 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:41.559 strain when you're reading for a long period of time and just yeah it's very 00:21:40.120 --> 00:21:45.279 interesting technology no one else has done it and they're not going to 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:51.000 compromise on things like color depth and uh resolution or anything like that 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:55.880 so this is so we're still using a traditional LCD panel actually this is 00:21:53.640 --> 00:22:01.600 something that a lot of people get confused about should I buy an LCD or an 00:21:58.760 --> 00:22:06.840 LED they're the same thing as the back lighting that changes a liquid crystal 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:08.799 display is is available on a wide 00:22:06.840 --> 00:22:13.720 variety of different forms and it's the most common flat panel display type 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:18.200 anything from your old calculator us as an LCD display it's monochrome it has no 00:22:16.159 --> 00:22:22.720 backlight backlight about to talk about that in a moment anything up to even 00:22:20.760 --> 00:22:27.360 sort of even the LCDs you might find in a rear projection TV a while ago back 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:31.679 when the larger LCD panels were too expensive to manufacture so they would 00:22:28.919 --> 00:22:36.559 make small ones and then blow a massive backlight through them to project onto a 00:22:33.679 --> 00:22:40.080 screen or something like an LCD panel that you might find at your typical 00:22:37.840 --> 00:22:44.840 computer which would typically have cold cathode lights behind it fluorescent 00:22:42.120 --> 00:22:51.000 lighting and now has moved to LED so the LCD panel itself is an image that 00:22:48.919 --> 00:22:55.159 doesn't inherently emit any light that's where OLED is different because it emits 00:22:52.919 --> 00:23:00.360 its own light you have to put some kind of a light source behind it so in this 00:22:58.120 --> 00:23:06.240 way they're not actually putting it necessarily it's they can use that same 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:11.200 LCD panel Tech to to reflect light instead of shine light out from behind 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:14.919 it so so it's it's supposed to make it a much better experience it's called light 00:23:13.320 --> 00:23:21.240 guide they're called well the the technolog is called light guide their screen is going to be called paper white 00:23:17.679 --> 00:23:23.039 and Amazon has recently uh acquired a 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:27.679 like kind of a a company that's working on tablets so people are thinking that 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:31.880 instead of just making e-readers Amazon is going to take this Tech and make a 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:37.240 tablet and there's a lot behind this and it's in this um in this quartz web page 00:23:35.919 --> 00:23:42.440 which will be on the doc which we will upload with the live stream later on 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:46.640 fascinating so Amazon is realizing that e-readers have gone down I think it's 00:23:43.840 --> 00:23:51.960 like 12% in the past little while it's so dead like oh come on so so Amazon is 00:23:50.120 --> 00:23:55.400 trying to respond to that by making a tablet which has gone up I think it's 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:58.760 like 78% in the last year or something like that oh yeah it's ludicrous I was 00:23:56.919 --> 00:24:01.720 looking at did uh did diesel send the same article that was looking at I think 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:05.320 smartphone shipments and tablet shipments oh it's ridiculous yeah it's 00:24:04.159 --> 00:24:09.840 like you're kind of looking at the numbers going like like how many how 00:24:08.320 --> 00:24:15.080 many hundreds of millions of them does everyone not have one yet at this point 00:24:11.520 --> 00:24:16.720 then um but there you go evidently not 00:24:15.080 --> 00:24:20.080 um this actually ties into one of our other news articles which is maybe the 00:24:18.320 --> 00:24:27.039 last one we'll do before we get Josh to join us um and that is the rumor that 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:28.799 Amazon is working on a game console so 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:34.360 an Android based game console I don't this isn't in the dock I don't know if you know about this not in the dock at 00:24:31.600 --> 00:24:38.480 all yeah I know whatever man um so it's going to be so it would go head-to-head 00:24:36.159 --> 00:24:44.440 with something like the Ouya which I think everyone's kind of in agreement on 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:46.080 was kind of a failure um the like things 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:49.799 have changed since it got released and they've made improvements but it's still 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:55.279 and this is the danger of kickstarting something based on specs that are 00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:59.240 current and then how long it takes to really bring a product to Market I mean 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:04.880 something like NVIDIA Shield if NVIDIA were to wait like if they had 00:25:01.760 --> 00:25:07.159 two business units internally Tegra and 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:13.640 shield and shield wasn't allowed to touch Tegra technology until it was 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:16.640 released publicly Shield would be months 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:18.320 away yeah because it takes so long to 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:22.240 bring an actual finished product to Market that's why someone like Ouya 00:25:20.679 --> 00:25:26.880 never stood a chance because they're going to be working with off-the-shelf 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:32.520 components rather than working with what's coming next um so Ouya is sort of 00:25:30.760 --> 00:25:37.320 a bad example cuz I think it just never really stood a chance but with someone 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:39.880 with the clout of Amazon banking on this 00:25:37.320 --> 00:25:45.159 whole Android console thing with someone with the clout of NVIDIA banking on this 00:25:42.520 --> 00:25:49.559 whole Android console concept thing with Shield which by the way our Shield is 00:25:47.919 --> 00:25:53.960 coming coming on the way I haven't seen tracking yet but it's like confir the 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:57.039 way yeah this is this is interesting because more game developers are going 00:25:55.320 --> 00:25:59.880 to come back on this because there's Shield people are going to want to 00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:04.000 making games for Android because of shield and then when Amazon steps behind 00:26:03.120 --> 00:26:09.799 something like this people are going to be want to making want to be making Android games because of Amazon's 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:12.399 console so one of the problems with Ura is everyone went emulators and then kind 00:26:11.679 --> 00:26:18.039 of stopped because everyone just wanted emulators now people are going to be 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:21.480 actually interested in developing games for this platform which is really 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:24.399 important and of course for those of you who are going to sort of attack him 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:29.399 immediately for this of course developers were already interested in Android games but they were interested 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:35.000 in touch Android games that were meant to be played on ablet and a phone now 00:26:32.159 --> 00:26:41.080 Android is moving forward to what someone like NVIDIA has been trying to 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:43.960 get towards since the first Tegra which 00:26:41.080 --> 00:26:48.760 is we want console graphics on this thing because we ultimately and like 00:26:46.840 --> 00:26:53.279 this is the scare this is the scariest part of it is like how how upset is 00:26:51.080 --> 00:26:57.760 NVIDIA that AMD has every design win in the nextg console maybe not at all cuz 00:26:56.080 --> 00:27:02.000 they're going for because the nextg console is going to be a 10-year device 00:27:00.120 --> 00:27:06.559 you look at how quickly NVIDIA is ramping up the power or not just NVIDIA 00:27:04.520 --> 00:27:10.360 I mean I'm I'm harping on NVIDIA because they're kind of in the thick of all this 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:14.679 but you look at how quickly the GPU power on these mobile devices is ramping 00:27:12.520 --> 00:27:18.039 up we could be looking at another few years because we've already pretty much 00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:23.039 caught up with Tegra 4 we've caught up to current gen console few more years 00:27:21.320 --> 00:27:27.159 especially with yearly iterations we could have caught up to the next gen 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:31.399 consoles and with a device that doesn't have to have a connect play into it and 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:34.240 doesn't have to hook up to your TV and doesn't have to do whatever you don't 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:37.919 care about and maybe doesn't have the same DRM restrictions that you can rude 00:27:36.159 --> 00:27:41.120 and you can really get into and you'll probably be able to record more easily 00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:45.480 and all this other kind of stuff is the console dead that's actually a really 00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:49.679 interesting statement and possible but we won't know for years but we won't 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:55.039 know for a few years maybe maybe guys like Microsoft are too hard to take down 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:59.799 I don't know mof are pretty big they're pretty 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:03.000 big but they're falling pretty hard pretty fast maybe that's why Microsoft 00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:08.320 is banking on things that aren't necessarily gaming man maybe that's it 00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:12.919 football all this other kind stuff TV convince me Android can't handle things 00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:19.640 that aren't gaming is Seuss Cube anyone I I'm not fighting this battle you know 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:21.480 uh Google Chromecast anyone like a gen 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:26.480 five of that thing this going be incredible it's already incredible with 00:28:23.360 --> 00:28:28.559 a Tegra a in it that like I don't know 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:33.840 anyway good good luck good luck PS P4 good luck Xbox one was nice knowing you 00:28:31.320 --> 00:28:39.279 um why don't we go ahead and fire upcs here and see if Josh fractal has managed 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:40.519 to uh manage to get his headset figured 00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:44.480 out did you manage to do a test call with him or oh boy I was I was zoned out 00:28:42.919 --> 00:28:47.880 working on the dock when he first got it installed and then I went to invite him 00:28:46.080 --> 00:28:52.080 and he had he had left at that point that was my bad all right you know what 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:55.919 we should just like take a uh oh ah Josh fractal online all right well here why 00:28:54.120 --> 00:29:00.840 don't I let you kind of talk about that while I do a Twitter Blitz here and sure 00:28:58.120 --> 00:29:09.559 of course they're on the same computer so that uhy oh wow wow shots shots fired 00:29:05.919 --> 00:29:11.200 already this this this guy is hard to uh 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:16.480 it's kind of hard to deal with having him on our live stream here see if I can 00:29:14.159 --> 00:29:20.720 uh see if I can get this to actually work I'm not that impressed with xsplit 00:29:18.600 --> 00:29:25.559 today I don't know what's uh I don't know what's going on here but this is 00:29:22.760 --> 00:29:30.200 this is some uh this is some serious business nonsense that is making my 00:29:28.600 --> 00:29:33.919 difficult here so we're going to go ahead and recapture that screen region 00:29:32.320 --> 00:29:41.000 that I've already captured a couple times and apparently oh that's weird 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:44.159 Razer comms does not get picked up by 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:47.320 xplit which actually makes 00:29:44.159 --> 00:29:48.960 sense because a game streamer who's 00:29:47.320 --> 00:29:53.080 using comms for voice communication wouldn't want their bloody xplit or 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:59.919 their uh their com stuff all over the place all right well at any rate 00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:02.399 um let's go ahead and fire this fire 00:29:59.919 --> 00:30:07.000 this baby up all right Josh so just click the 00:30:04.760 --> 00:30:14.000 headset button in the top leftand corner there you go yo Josh how it goes bro oh 00:30:10.919 --> 00:30:16.600 it's going how you doing pretty good I 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:20.320 noticed that you uh jacked up my style with your uh your guest picture 00:30:22.760 --> 00:30:28.320 here and Josh is listening to the stream 00:30:25.919 --> 00:30:31.640 not to razor com so he needs to go ahead and turn off his stream so he can talk 00:30:30.080 --> 00:30:33.880 to us already did 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:39.600 man so you think I jacked your style you 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:44.120 hardcore jacked my style I was the first one to do a picture like this obviously 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:48.679 yeah except for Steve Jobs yeah except well except for that guy but I mean what 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:52.600 did he ever do that was he probably wasn't the first one to do it 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:56.519 anyway well yeah you never know but I mean he made it popular and sexy I mean 00:30:54.480 --> 00:31:00.600 and he probably trademarked it so we're both going to get sued yeah yeah I 00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:04.919 actually did worry about that like I wondered if it was okay for me to take a 00:31:02.679 --> 00:31:09.039 picture of myself being all like glasses and maybe like the particular finger 00:31:06.679 --> 00:31:13.000 orientation made it a curve design that they could patent yeah I think your 00:31:11.320 --> 00:31:17.799 pinch zooming your chin in that one I'm not quite sure 00:31:14.320 --> 00:31:20.320 though so how are you how's uh how's 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:25.159 fractal how's business how's the PC industry and how is it um do you cry 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:29.559 yourself to sleep at night because you don't still run your own company 00:31:26.919 --> 00:31:33.240 biohazard I think it was called oh man we're starting Quick aren't we um first 00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:36.960 of all I guess I'd like to be the cool one and say happy birthday to fatal flux 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:43.159 they've been posting over there in the comments so can you guys give him a shout out for me real quick shout out 00:31:40.080 --> 00:31:44.880 happy birthday see there we go um no 00:31:43.159 --> 00:31:49.720 work work has been good work has been busy uh you know obviously got back from 00:31:47.120 --> 00:31:56.159 computex where we partied it out for a little while um I mean worked very hard 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:58.240 and then you know we got uh oh man it's 00:31:56.159 --> 00:32:01.720 just if it's not one thing it's another but it's going good it's good it's good 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:06.760 yeah you guys have done some land present re presents recently oh so for 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:12.679 those of you who don't know this is Josh from fractal design formerly of 00:32:08.600 --> 00:32:15.080 biohazard computers he is an Enthusiast 00:32:12.679 --> 00:32:21.159 at heart this guy has done more hardcore stuff with PCS than I have done that is 00:32:18.320 --> 00:32:25.720 for certain and he works as the what's your title like um lap dog to the 00:32:24.120 --> 00:32:29.880 president of fractal or something like that North America well it was going to 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:34.320 just taller than lonus but that didn't really narrow it down at all I mean 00:32:31.760 --> 00:32:38.880 that's a pretty broad category so yeah VP of marketing for North 00:32:36.360 --> 00:32:43.440 America that that would be my official title all right so do you want to talk 00:32:41.639 --> 00:32:47.320 fractal stuff first or do you want to just kind of jump into some of the uh I 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:51.360 know there was that one topic that you were chomping at the bit to talk to us 00:32:49.399 --> 00:32:56.159 about do you want to get right into that yeah it just depends do you have a 7-second 00:32:53.279 --> 00:33:02.960 delay you might want that wait what 7c DeLay So that you can 00:32:59.360 --> 00:33:04.919 bleep out swear words geez come on oh 00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:10.919 man no let's let's just let's just let's just do this thing all right so this I I 00:33:08.919 --> 00:33:15.200 I sent this to Josh and I got back an email at like what is that like 4 in the 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:21.480 morning your time yeah it was about 4 in the morning yeah which was uh yeah oh 00:33:18.159 --> 00:33:23.559 that's perfect sorry I'm so excited now 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:29.720 slick wasn't cced on the email so here we go there's an indie go go on that is 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:33.760 have must be the stupidest thing that I've ever seen on the internet this 00:33:31.679 --> 00:33:38.279 video thumbnail right here should probably tell you pretty much everything 00:33:35.639 --> 00:33:44.600 you need to know about this Indiegogo which is basically like two nerds and 00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:49.679 guys you know no disrespect or anything but you're two nerds sitting on chairs 00:33:47.320 --> 00:33:53.799 in the middle of a yard and I'm just going to skim through a little bit of 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:58.519 this Indiegogo and then we are just going to blast this thing between me 00:33:56.760 --> 00:34:05.080 Josh and slick I don't think they're going to have any anus 00:34:01.679 --> 00:34:07.200 left careful wording 00:34:05.080 --> 00:34:14.359 man let me see if I have this written down right you guys have a 3.8 GHz 00:34:10.359 --> 00:34:18.280 overclocked 6 core i7 processor 6 GB 00:34:14.359 --> 00:34:20.480 video card 32 GB of RAM all booting from 00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:25.520 a solid state drive I mean this would normally retail from about 34,000 if you 00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:29.359 could even find it but you if you could find it oh man I got I'm starting early 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:33.760 here originally we were going to go cheaper than that some of the big 00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:38.320 manufacturers are hard to deal with ,000 I'm fting back the rage right now the 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:41.119 machine we wanted to build so don't you think this could lead to awkward 00:34:39.879 --> 00:34:47.240 conversations with Big Industry producers I mean you're undercutting their prices quite a bit awkward 00:34:44.919 --> 00:34:51.679 conversations like how overpriced their computers are we're okay with that 00:34:49.720 --> 00:34:54.800 conversation right well then I'm just trying to make sure you guys aren't 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:58.880 getting in over your head I mean there's a lot of big dogs out there I think 00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:02.960 we've made our purpose clear right if this project gets off the 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:07.760 ground then we've essentially declared war on all companies that make gaming 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:12.400 computers and we're okay with that unlike most wars where it's a win lose 00:35:10.240 --> 00:35:16.320 we're totally okay with either outcome on one hand we make super awesome 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:20.920 computers specifically for Gamers on the other hand we force the big comp to BR 00:35:18.520 --> 00:35:24.920 pric down anyway so basically the summary guys is that these guys have an 00:35:23.359 --> 00:35:29.960 Indiegogo actually here I'm going to go back to the Indiegogo so they've 00:35:26.680 --> 00:35:32.200 actually got 4,000 contributors they're 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:36.359 basically saying that no no no they they have $4,000 $4,000 worth of 00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:40.560 contributions they have 12 contributors so there's a comparison Matrix down here 00:35:38.560 --> 00:35:44.560 that has alien wear and what they charge for a system and build it yourself and 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:51.839 what it costs and their innovision gaming which has a 3970x 32 gigs of RAM 00:35:47.640 --> 00:35:53.640 a 7990 a 512 gig SSD and a final price 00:35:51.839 --> 00:36:01.240 of $11,000 I don't know if they're deluded 00:35:58.040 --> 00:36:03.920 or if they're just scammers one thing 00:36:01.240 --> 00:36:07.240 I've wondered is I'm giving them as much insane degree of benefit of the doubt 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:12.079 that I can possibly imagine is that they have found someone online that is 00:36:09.680 --> 00:36:16.280 claiming to be a distributor of these things and is claiming if you buy enough 00:36:14.240 --> 00:36:20.079 and pay us up front we will give you all of this for this price so they decided 00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:24.319 to make an Indiegogo planning to do it without enough research figure out that 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:31.440 this person is this camera tell me Josh as a a boutique gaming system builder 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:33.240 who you know really you know wasn't well 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:37.640 okay okay two things two things tell me this 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:44.560 Josh how much margin did you make selling gaming 00:36:39.720 --> 00:36:46.000 PCs oh hell like 4,000% 4,000% because I 00:36:44.560 --> 00:36:53.079 touched it I mean I had a picture of me on the side of it which that I mean right there that's just a bonus you know 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:54.880 it's a work of art but yeah the thing is 00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:59.400 like you had to figure you know I was definitely a cayen boutique so our stuff 00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:06.839 was you know very expensive our average box was like 8 to 12K so we had sizable 00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:09.000 sizable margin and we were still at 00:37:06.839 --> 00:37:13.119 like 30 40% like above Hardware but you also got 00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:17.480 to realize when you're going into that level of Boutique the amount of work that goes into your overclocking at your 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:23.040 stress testing it it's like that's you know the labor comes into it yes so and 00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:28.319 like so hold on I'm not talking gross margins I want to hear net margins after 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:33.119 you pay yourself labor which probably isn't for that great of a 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:36.880 salary oh I obviously it's worth so much more that's why I moved on to modeling 00:37:35.200 --> 00:37:42.200 but you know after that dried up I came back to Tech you know so I would say you 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:46.680 know at the end of the day the problem was too is you know I I own the company 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:52.960 so I sted myself right so I was probably maybe between 10 and 15% 10 and 15% 00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:57.880 sounds about right which is not big margin and that's a boutique so to put 00:37:55.319 --> 00:38:01.960 that in perspective someone like an NC might be making about half of that so 00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:06.880 for those of you watching right now who think there's like massive margin in 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:11.720 gaming computers there is but it isn't at the retailer level it isn't at the 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:17.359 distributor level and it's not at the system builder level it is at the 00:38:13.720 --> 00:38:20.079 manufacturing level guys like ASUS guys 00:38:17.359 --> 00:38:23.160 like Intel these are public companies all you have to do is look at their 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:30.240 financials you know how much they're making on it that means that if 00:38:25.680 --> 00:38:32.480 something costs $1,000 to end user and 00:38:30.240 --> 00:38:35.680 we know that the distributor price for it is you know 00:38:36.040 --> 00:38:42.280 $950 the the retailer and the distributor didn't make that much on it 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:46.520 so Josh tell me this when you were a boutique Builder building systems that 00:38:44.720 --> 00:38:52.640 might have cost thousands of dollars if you could even find them um how much did 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:56.800 it cost you to buy an extreme Edition uh let's see here uh it was 00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:01.520 pretty straightforward because Intel locks their price pricing it per thousand unit orders right I mean it's 00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:04.920 like the way that breaks down is like when a you know extreme Edition came out 00:39:03.520 --> 00:39:10.160 back then you know they like thousand bucks and it's like you know 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:12.920 999 99 yeah and it was like that's per 00:39:10.160 --> 00:39:16.760 thousand CPUs and I think people have this unrealistic view of you know how 00:39:15.359 --> 00:39:21.520 much business a lot of system Builders are doing it's like a huge Boutique 00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:24.800 system builder maybe doing like between 00:39:21.520 --> 00:39:26.280 two and 400 systems a month you know and 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:31.640 it always killed me it's like people think you're getting like all this hard for dirt cheap and we'd always get these 00:39:29.160 --> 00:39:34.560 things like uh I want an extreme Edition I want this I want that and I want this 00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:40.359 but I want it for like half a retail because I know you guys get it cheap I'm like you know more than I do man because 00:39:38.520 --> 00:39:44.359 certainly not getting it cheap and that's why we went that route is like to 00:39:41.839 --> 00:39:48.240 make any margin on it you know you had to put some sort of spin on it you had 00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:52.200 to do like overclocking liquid cooling stuff like that that people weren't 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:55.800 doing and you know people wonder oh how come there's always bloat wear and 00:39:53.200 --> 00:39:59.240 crapware on PCS uh that's where Dell and HP and the big guys made all the money 00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:05.640 that was all subsidized like they were selling half the time the hardware nearly at a loss making up the money on 00:40:03.640 --> 00:40:10.640 like you know saman kicking them 20 bucks perst or shipping or the other 00:40:09.160 --> 00:40:14.599 little things that they could do that really helped that or you know even 00:40:12.520 --> 00:40:18.880 things like office trials that ship on your computer as enthusiasts we kind of 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:22.960 look at that and we go as if I'm going to activate it but someone like my 00:40:21.040 --> 00:40:27.359 mother might actually do that and that's where the margin on that PC through an 00:40:25.160 --> 00:40:31.480 affiliate code of all things like even someone like Acer has to make money 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:36.560 through like an affiliate program for Microsoft Office on the computer that 00:40:33.520 --> 00:40:38.680 they shipped you yeah well it just it 00:40:36.560 --> 00:40:44.240 drives me nuts that you're like so these guys are obviously Bladen idiots I mean 00:40:42.319 --> 00:40:47.079 it's either so first of all let let's just start poking holes in this I don't 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:52.079 even know where to start because there's so much crap it's insane like okay first 00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:56.440 of all you know we found if we buy in bulk we save gee that's a unique 00:40:54.359 --> 00:40:59.960 business model that I don't know Walmart and everybody else had since the 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:04.119 beginning of time yeah I bet Newegg Newegg never figured that out about 00:41:02.040 --> 00:41:08.319 buying in bulk and getting processors for cheaper yeah exactly it's like oh 00:41:06.640 --> 00:41:13.040 I'm glad you guys cracked this one and no one else has been able to figure it out and then second of all it's like we 00:41:11.319 --> 00:41:16.520 started looking we got these contacts in the industry it's like oh that inside 00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:20.000 track that you developed after a week and a half on CS list you know I don't 00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:24.480 know exactly where they think they got all this information and then the other 00:41:22.200 --> 00:41:27.400 thing is it's like if we can crowdfund this if we can all order these 00:41:25.640 --> 00:41:32.720 motherboards and these video cards it's like okay what motherboard am I getting 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:38.240 you know it's like you know okay what chipset what manufacturer I think that's 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:42.839 the least of the holes in this it's a big hole though but yeah I agree yeah 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:46.560 like what is it so okay like another reason why you know any system builder 00:41:44.680 --> 00:41:51.680 has to make margin on it's like who's going to support the damn thing you know 00:41:48.839 --> 00:41:56.240 it looks to me I'm G to give them the benefit of the bo the benefit of the 00:41:53.520 --> 00:42:02.160 doubt I think that they're not scammers I think that they're 00:41:57.839 --> 00:42:04.400 and what they think is that if they get 00:42:02.160 --> 00:42:10.800 because look they're asking for a half a million doll goal and their campaign 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:14.520 only receive funds receives funds if they reach it by the deadline so it's 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:18.000 not one of those blatant scam ones where they're like yeah we're going to keep 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:24.200 the money regardless so I think that they naively think that if they manag to 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:29.359 put together 500 systems as a single order 00:42:27.680 --> 00:42:36.319 that they'll be able to go to someone like Intel or EVGA or ASUS or whoever 00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:38.839 else and say hey we're Big Shots drop 00:42:36.319 --> 00:42:43.720 your pants in terms of pricing for us and uh you know $1,000 is our budget and 00:42:41.160 --> 00:42:47.960 that's a lot of money because we're 15 and or however old they are and we think 00:42:46.040 --> 00:42:53.319 whatever they think that $1,000 is a lot of money um and they they think that 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:57.960 they can achieve it that way and it's just not going to work Josh has built systems for people on an insane level 00:42:56.599 --> 00:43:02.160 you've built system for people I've built systems for people none of us made 00:43:00.200 --> 00:43:06.400 a ton of money off it the first thing that I say anytime someone posts on the 00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:11.319 Forum that their plan is to start a business selling systems is do it for 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:14.720 fun it better be a side job and it better be entertaining yes I mean you 00:43:13.319 --> 00:43:19.240 know the the overhead in it is ridiculous I mean aside from you know 00:43:17.839 --> 00:43:23.520 just the standard business model it's like keeping up with high-end Hardware I 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:28.480 mean you know working in front of the curve is you know ridiculously time 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:31.960 consuming and yeah you know by the time like you know the extreme Edition drops 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:34.520 if you're one of the high-end guys it's like you're already working on the next 00:43:33.200 --> 00:43:39.240 thing you know it's like by the time it actually comes to Market you're like okay that's old and you know I have to 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:44.640 agree I don't think these guys are scammers merely because a scam would be 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:49.079 put together a lot better than this I mean this is like so bad it's got to be 00:43:47.240 --> 00:43:52.760 you know blatantly real like they genuinely think that they've stumbled 00:43:50.720 --> 00:43:58.240 across something and that they're going to be able to help people out it's like 00:43:54.640 --> 00:44:00.960 you know a scam would be more believable 00:43:58.240 --> 00:44:05.000 I think that's how a scam works you know I I wonder about the four people who 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:09.319 have evidently bought it and they've got a lot of perks at different levels that 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:17.480 I'm also looking at going like are you guys bloody insane $25 for 256 gig USB 00:44:14.319 --> 00:44:20.079 drive 250 bucks for $79.90 that was the 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:23.520 main one that got me yeah it's like okay on what planet when are you planning to 00:44:21.640 --> 00:44:27.960 ship these systems like if they're planning to ship the system in 2016 and 00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:32.119 they're just going to like eBay okay they're planning to ship them in October 00:44:29.720 --> 00:44:37.160 but if the plan was to like troll eBay 2 years from now and dig up like you know 00:44:35.240 --> 00:44:40.640 old extreme editions and stuff this might be doable well here's the thing if 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:45.480 they got all the parts right now two guys it would take them till October to build 500 system I mean do they ever 00:44:44.200 --> 00:44:50.440 think about that it's like oh we're going to have to hire some people to build all these by October from watching 00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:54.319 the video I think it's only the dude on the right who's building all of them 00:44:52.520 --> 00:44:59.160 actually oh yeah the other gu the brains behind it there we go that's a solid 00:44:56.040 --> 00:45:01.359 that's a solid 500 systems I can tell 00:44:59.160 --> 00:45:08.440 you right now based on sort of an industry standard 2 to 3% defective rate 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:11.760 on any component within the first month they are going to get back so it 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:15.200 compounds right because you're building a system so let's say a system has eight 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:21.119 components in it for the sake of argument that means that the chances of 00:45:17.839 --> 00:45:22.720 a system going defective within 30 days 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:25.800 unless they're burning them in I mean what about the power that it's going to 00:45:24.359 --> 00:45:30.040 consume to burn in all these systems they're building 500 systems at the same 00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:37.040 time anyway the uh the chance that one of them will be defective within 30 days 00:45:32.680 --> 00:45:39.119 is probably at least 3 to 5% if they're 00:45:37.040 --> 00:45:43.720 lucky as an inexperienced Builder never mind the ones that get damaged in 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:46.400 shipping tell me Josh how much do rmas 00:45:43.720 --> 00:45:49.480 cost you as a system builder oh yeah well that's the thing you know it's 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:53.559 ridiculously expensive because say you sell the whole system you know the first 00:45:51.520 --> 00:45:56.160 thing is it's like I think my video card di okay we'll send you new video card I 00:45:54.880 --> 00:46:01.960 don't know how to fix it they want to send the whole system back so you know 00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:03.040 assuming you can Sid step that it's the 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:08.280 other thing is if they're working with highend Hardware we had our largest failure rates on Enthusiast class 00:46:06.160 --> 00:46:11.720 Hardware of course you because it's it's pushed so high you know and you would 00:46:10.240 --> 00:46:15.400 think which they're probably thinking from a general mindset like oh this 00:46:13.640 --> 00:46:18.359 video card it costs three times as much as a mainstream one it's going to be 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:21.839 perfect it's like no it's probably gonna be flaky you know and and if you're 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:27.000 going to take all these you're going to overclock them okay add to that that's the other thing you know you're looking 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:30.079 at your failure rate I assume these guys are going to get in try and overclock 00:46:28.319 --> 00:46:33.800 because they'll read on that on some Forum somewhere hey I can do that all 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:37.760 you do is push the voltage as high as it goes and then just crank up the multiply 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:43.800 yeah ah yeah yeah I could rage on this 00:46:42.520 --> 00:46:50.040 all night but you know if you want to move on I totally understand I just saw it and I was like really really this is 00:46:48.200 --> 00:46:55.920 and the scariest thing is that they've got backers already like oh I know is it 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:59.760 like their mom's I'm hoping so I'm hoping so could be considering the money 00:46:58.520 --> 00:47:03.720 will get back if they don't get it funded it definitely could be another 00:47:01.720 --> 00:47:06.640 thing is I think okay the guy on the right I watched the video I didn't pay 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:11.200 way too much attention but the guy on the right I believe is the technical guy and the guy on the left I believe is the 00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:15.079 business guy the guy on the left should be fired unfortunately the guy on the 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:19.640 left is going to have a really hard time finding a job if anyone Googles this 00:47:17.040 --> 00:47:22.520 because his name is attached all over it and the guy on the right is going to 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:28.079 have a really time hard time finding a job because I believe his name is attached to this as well so if they try 00:47:25.640 --> 00:47:32.520 to look for a job in 22 days from now when this fails it's going to be rough 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:36.400 if anyone Googles their names I think it I think you're giving them too much 00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:42.079 credit for the size and momentum of this project I don't think anyone will ever 00:47:38.680 --> 00:47:44.280 find it my thing is I thought it was I 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:49.359 it was better without the video like I watched the video and it got worse like 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:53.760 oh my God I see what you're trying to do but oh just fail left and right I should 00:47:52.200 --> 00:47:57.839 tell them if they want to do a better pitch video next time they should reach 00:47:55.280 --> 00:48:02.240 out to lonus Media Group and uh we should just just for laws we should just 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:07.480 produce the stupidest possible P you know what that would be kind of a fun 00:48:03.720 --> 00:48:09.040 project like Indiegogo pitch video like 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:14.839 fake sort of thing I don't know if that's been overdone yet we kind of sort 00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:18.440 of did it but not for jokes and not and 00:48:14.839 --> 00:48:20.280 it wasn't fake but for um the the 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:24.040 kickstarter one that we did we did a Kickstarter ah it got no we didn't do 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.680 get any of the money we did a video that got posted on Kickstarter for that thing 00:48:26.200 --> 00:48:32.720 where name Omni Omni trick om that got posted 00:48:30.720 --> 00:48:36.119 on their Kart and it worked really well so I don't know okay so anyway there you 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:40.240 go you know what why don't we move into something else I'd like to do one topic 00:48:38.200 --> 00:48:46.800 and in the meantime guys hit us on Twitter at liniste and let us know what 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:50.960 questions or comments you have for Josh remember former Boutique system builder 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:56.040 current VP of marketing at fractal design for North America always awesome 00:48:54.040 --> 00:48:58.920 I'm sorry what and I'm always awesome and always awesome 00:48:57.319 --> 00:49:04.640 and you're right I Googled his name and nothing came up yeah that that was that 00:49:02.240 --> 00:49:10.520 was not going to be a thing um all right so Josh speaking of staying on the sort 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:17.359 of bleeding edge of CPU technology and all that crazy stuff here's an article 00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:20.079 from wccf Tech I mean these guys I don't 00:49:17.359 --> 00:49:25.280 well The credibility is sort of I mean they had an article about I think it was 00:49:21.839 --> 00:49:27.760 like 12 or 16 core fxs not that long ago 00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:35.680 and now there's one about how they're possibly abandoning FX processors apus 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:39.400 all the way what's your take on 00:49:35.680 --> 00:49:43.559 this oh you know I don't know I mean it 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:45.880 gets to a point almost uh you know with 00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:49.720 the big guys that you believe anything I mean things have gone back and forth so 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:55.359 much you know I know Apu is definitely a focus for AMD right now as far as like 00:49:52.520 --> 00:49:59.079 abandoning FX I I don't see it being that drastic I 00:49:57.520 --> 00:50:04.000 if if you look at the benchmarks you look at like a lot of the forums you would think that AMD is completely 00:50:02.319 --> 00:50:07.839 screwed because they don't win all the benchmarks but like when you look at you 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:11.280 know the buying public like hey that's a cheap processor I'll get that for my 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:16.000 next build that'll do what I needed to do if I'm going to build you know my 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:19.319 mother an internet and email machine it's like okay fine yeah I'm gonna go 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:24.920 for that and I think that's and it's called the Xbox one yeah yeah exactly so 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:28.839 yeah I I don't know I don't put a lot of stock in it I mean it's that's the other 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:34.319 thing okay like what are the odds that website would have to scoop if that's what was really happening um you know 00:50:32.680 --> 00:50:40.040 what I'm going to play devil's advocate here and I'm going to say I think they're right because they've been 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:45.960 falling behind I mean performance per watt opteron walked in and destroyed 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:49.680 everything AMD owned Fabs at the time they owned the technology they had some 00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:54.040 serious business you I don't know if you want to 00:50:51.799 --> 00:50:58.400 call it planning or luck or whatever word you want to use but Intel was basic 00:50:56.640 --> 00:51:02.160 basically sitting on their butts and AMD came in and whooped their butts in the 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:06.520 server space trickled that technology down to the desktop and kick some butt 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:10.680 for a little while now they haven't done that in a 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:17.280 long time AMD is more focused on that 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:21.359 mainstream consumer and you look at what they see as the definition of an APU 00:51:20.040 --> 00:51:27.599 according to AMD core I3 Core i5 and core i7 00:51:24.839 --> 00:51:34.640 processors from Intel that onboard HD graphics are apus yeah so you look at 00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:38.839 Intel where they still have dominance when it comes to zeeon when it comes to 00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:43.559 extreme Edition when it comes to workstation grade processors they still 00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:48.599 have dominance there and they're barely paying any attention to it for AMD is 00:51:46.720 --> 00:51:55.839 the overhead just too much at this point to even bother are they better off to 00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:57.680 just focus on the uh heterogeneous CPU 00:51:55.839 --> 00:52:04.640 AR or like guess I can't call it a CPU any but a heterogeneous architecture 00:51:59.960 --> 00:52:07.000 that uses a CPU and a graphics type of 00:52:04.640 --> 00:52:11.119 processing in order to achieve what it needs to do and are they right to bank 00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:16.720 on that in the future because is it possible that a 00:52:12.799 --> 00:52:19.520 quadcore CPU with a very powerful 00:52:16.720 --> 00:52:23.920 graphics processor on it would actually be able to outperform a more traditional 00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:28.720 six core or 8 core CPU in the tasks that we need I mean 00:52:26.799 --> 00:52:32.880 diesel the intern was complaining to me the other day that his workstation 00:52:30.160 --> 00:52:37.480 doesn't support quicksync because now that technology that uses Intel's 00:52:34.720 --> 00:52:41.920 onboard HD graphics to accelerate video encoding is starting to show up in the 00:52:39.839 --> 00:52:46.400 professional tools and I'm like I thought I built you the beasted machine 00:52:44.359 --> 00:52:51.000 with a six Core Extreme Edition and all this RAM and a Quadro and you want a 00:52:48.640 --> 00:52:55.319 fraking consumer grade device because we're moving towards that being more 00:52:52.839 --> 00:52:58.920 practical for the future and it it it makes sense and to be honest with them 00:52:57.240 --> 00:53:02.960 starting to rake in money on the console side especially in the next upcoming 00:53:00.839 --> 00:53:06.359 months and still bleeding money they they released a statement 00:53:05.160 --> 00:53:13.680 recently about how they're going to be profitable soon yes they said next quarter maybe dropping certain segments 00:53:11.040 --> 00:53:17.839 will help them be profitable soon well you know I think that part of it comes 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:21.760 into the fact that like certain product wings are just marketing Wings you know 00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:24.839 I mean you look at Halo cards and stuff like that when you're looking at 00:53:23.319 --> 00:53:30.160 Graphics it's like you know NVIDIA is not making their Bank on Titans in 780s 00:53:28.359 --> 00:53:34.520 it's amazing how many consumers think they are but man guys they're not it 00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:38.640 costs five times as much as a consumer grade card or you know a performance 00:53:36.240 --> 00:53:43.240 card it's like yeah and you sell about what 5% of what you sell on the 00:53:40.680 --> 00:53:47.640 mainstream so I think five% is very aggressive Prett aggressive yeah and and 00:53:45.160 --> 00:53:50.839 and the thing is like so if you're going into like the nuclear arms race of 00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:56.280 Graphics it makes sense because if you win that top rung then you get every rung below it so it's more of a 00:53:53.920 --> 00:54:01.160 marketing investment than anything else and and when you look at largely what 00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:05.119 the bread and butter what AMD probably sells right now yeah it it could make 00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:09.440 sense to to I guess you know kill off the FX brand if they want to move more 00:54:07.680 --> 00:54:13.280 towards an APU because it's also about application right I mean it's like if 00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:18.520 you say what has a faster zero to 60 you know a Ferrari or Ford F-150 everyone's 00:54:16.839 --> 00:54:22.799 going to say Ferrari it's like okay now do the same thing on a muddy road which 00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:26.599 one has it faster 060 so it's all about how you're tasking it like you said with 00:54:24.160 --> 00:54:29.440 diesel working with video it's like okay that might have more raw processing 00:54:28.040 --> 00:54:34.400 power but for what I use it for this works better for me y yep although I'm 00:54:33.200 --> 00:54:38.520 trying to get away with throwing a Kepler GPU in his system because he's 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:43.680 found a really cool plugin for Premier that uses Cuda to accelerate uh 00:54:41.240 --> 00:54:48.000 outputting h264 using the onboard encoder but you know what he wants right 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:52.760 he wants a Titan doesn't he and he wants both he wants a qu and a Titan because 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:57.520 he diesel are you still here oh no he's not here today he can 00:54:55.640 --> 00:55:03.240 use one for one thing and the other for the other thing he wants two graphics 00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:05.200 cards no if he could do it no I don't 00:55:03.240 --> 00:55:09.799 even care he's not getting two Titans in his workstation no he doesn't want two 00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:11.799 Titans oh I know he wants qu yeah he 00:55:09.799 --> 00:55:16.799 wants the quadro because he wants 10 bit color and then he wants the Titan for 00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:20.760 Cuda he's not getting the Titan he can have like a 770 or something reason 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:27.039 you're so cheap you're so I know I'm like the worst person ever oh freaking 00:55:24.359 --> 00:55:31.400 employees it's like why do I even need them someone's got to make you look good 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:37.039 someone's got to produce content while emails all right let's do a Twitter 00:55:33.359 --> 00:55:40.359 Blitz here guys for Yosh uh we're gonna 00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:42.839 focus on the questions for Yos um look 00:55:40.359 --> 00:55:46.240 at that you an AR mid too it must be because of that pre-roll advertising 00:55:44.359 --> 00:55:51.079 you're running online as Tech tips videos uh no it' probably be something 00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:56.400 effective that we're doing all right so gregar says going for 00:55:54.520 --> 00:56:03.559 the arc midar 2 air cooling bill should I go for af140 fans instead of the stock 00:55:59.319 --> 00:56:05.280 fans great question Josh go go for 00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:10.960 whatever you want I mean it comes down to again however you're going to use it 00:56:07.640 --> 00:56:12.720 I mean to think that we can make one fan 00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:18.480 that would be perfect for every solution I you could try uh you know obviously we 00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:22.960 always have a aim towards silence and that's where a lot of our fans have come 00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:27.480 from so if you're going for something a little bit more high-end if you want to 00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:29.880 do what you want to do I mean that's my biggest thing I'm not going to try and 00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:35.319 push into somebody into something I don't want all right fair enough and you guys 00:56:33.640 --> 00:56:39.920 all know what I'll say buy all the Noctua nff 12s because I truly believe 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:44.160 it is the one- siiz fitall and that's why I stopped talking because I figured 00:56:41.319 --> 00:56:48.960 you'd just chime in with that anyway so all right uh that's that same 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:53.599 question again will there be a successor to the core 1000 actually a case that I 00:56:51.680 --> 00:57:00.559 personally really liked I unboxed it a long time ago and I was quite impressed 00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:02.960 by the Innovative cost Savings of moving 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:08.000 the hard drive mounting to a single slab of metal as opposed to building a 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:10.000 complicated cage while offering other 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:13.200 advantages such as improved air flow through the front because you got your 00:57:11.160 --> 00:57:15.799 freaking Drive cage out of the way and the fact that it still holds enough 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:22.680 Hardware are we going to see anything else like that yeah okay so then now I have to do 00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:26.000 the typical disclaimer that they cannot talk about products that may or may not 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:29.200 be released in the near future blah blah blah but yeah if you look at the rest of 00:57:27.799 --> 00:57:33.119 our product line I think you can kind of see what we tend to do I mean we take 00:57:31.720 --> 00:57:38.039 you know we design our cases we take feedback from our customers and from our 00:57:34.720 --> 00:57:39.200 fans and you know we help we use that to 00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:45.599 help us build new products because I mean obviously that's who we're designing this stuff for at the end of 00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:47.400 the day so I would say I wouldn't be 00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:50.440 surprised at all if you saw something like that as far as time frame no I 00:57:49.240 --> 00:57:55.559 don't know have I seen anything internally no I have not okay but the 00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:58.880 core 1000's been incredibly popular for us and it makes you look tall so I mean 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:06.119 we got to keep it around for while thanks I mean the thing about the core 1000 is keeping it within that price 00:58:03.520 --> 00:58:09.640 range I don't know how much really could be 00:58:07.520 --> 00:58:12.280 improved we I mean you do get some of that right I mean it's like oh we could 00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:16.880 add this we could add that the next thing you know it's like the core 1000 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:21.440 at $69.99 it's like okay that kind of just went the opposite direction of 00:58:18.720 --> 00:58:25.039 where that case was at so and functionality wise I mean it it works 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:28.960 very well especially in its intended market so well you guys have so much 00:58:27.240 --> 00:58:35.599 margin anyway that you should be able to sell core 1000s for 20 $20 or you know 00:58:32.799 --> 00:58:38.680 $6.99 anyway so you know according to those yahoos on that yeah we we got a 00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:42.799 lead on some guys that we're going to buy 500 of them so we just shifted all 00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:48.520 of our pricing towards them should work out for both of us oh 00:58:45.799 --> 00:58:52.480 terrible um lineus Tech and Josh do you think there will be an all-in-one 00:58:50.200 --> 00:58:57.400 Boutique system made custom for some rich people I'm going to let you go 00:58:55.079 --> 00:59:00.160 first an 00:58:58.240 --> 00:59:05.920 allinone um yeah so when it comes back to the 00:59:03.319 --> 00:59:09.880 boutique side of things you know I guess what I was when I was doing it was like 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:16.000 a cross between like a boutique and a modder you know because people back in 00:59:12.839 --> 00:59:17.760 the day you know like when you were 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:22.760 young yeah exactly you know when you were making cases out of stone um it's 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:26.240 like people didn't come in the motherboard Trail like we had to do that 00:59:24.200 --> 00:59:29.920 ourselves you know and walk up hillbo ways and all that sort of crap but I 00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:35.119 mean legitimately it's like there weren't a whole lot of features like 00:59:31.640 --> 00:59:39.559 that so you tried to tailored as much as 00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:41.680 you could to your intended audience um 00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:46.760 Allin ones get a little tricky though I mean there it's I don't know it's a very 00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:51.880 difficult form factor to deal with it's very difficult 00:59:48.720 --> 00:59:54.520 to basically the investment that goes 00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:58.880 into designing an all-in-one necessitates that you sell a buttload of 00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:02.000 them and yeah you basically you not got a proprietary design it's like why don't 01:00:00.160 --> 01:00:08.599 you just design your own laptop is about where it's at pretty much so unless like 01:00:05.319 --> 01:00:11.160 Steve wnc decides to build one like for 01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:16.640 himself I I don't think it's likely to happen now I did see a Gigabyte 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:18.799 Prototype at I think it was computex CES 01:00:16.640 --> 01:00:23.359 CES maybe it was at CES that was an all-in-one that allowed um aftermarket 01:00:21.240 --> 01:00:27.400 graphics card upgrades with like standard PCI Express graphics cards they 01:00:25.520 --> 01:00:31.520 had like a 580 or something stupid in it at the time and I was like who that's 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:34.760 kind of crazy um but other than that I haven't really seen much and I really 01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:39.240 don't think anything like that will ever be wildly 01:00:37.240 --> 01:00:43.880 successful yeah plus I mean the people are going to pay that amount of money 01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:47.039 for something custom aren't at least in my experience when we were doing it they 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:52.680 weren't so much concerned about the form factor it was more here's what I wanted 01:00:49.240 --> 01:00:54.400 to do or I want to trick it out and have 01:00:52.680 --> 01:00:59.240 this custom paint job on it I want to have more of like a look to it but not 01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:05.640 so much a form factor all right here we go Josh what did you major in in 01:01:02.680 --> 01:01:10.000 college oh let's see here did I go to college other than modeling other than 01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:14.720 modeling I'm major in that every day I mean I wake up first thing I do is I 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:18.440 mean well I'm awesome when I get out of bed I'm awesome when I go into bed yeah 01:01:16.200 --> 01:01:22.280 pretty much awesome all day now in college believe it or not um and if you 01:01:20.839 --> 01:01:27.079 watch the first live stream I on you got a little bit of hint at this I actually majored in criminology and criminal 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:30.039 justice and then I kind of accidentally pepper sprayed a bunch of 01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:40.720 people which actually was was kind of related to my major so so that's all 01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:43.000 good that's like me saying that I like 01:01:40.720 --> 01:01:48.079 broke my mom's laptop and that's somehow related to my job you don't have a job 01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:50.880 man I mean you just kind of sit there and then like you get all pouty when 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:55.119 someone argues with you and then you change the 01:01:53.160 --> 01:01:58.640 subject I think we're going to move on to actually 01:01:56.359 --> 01:02:06.559 I think time's up with our guest hey I have a job my job is 01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:09.559 difficult reaching stuff on the top 01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.559 shelf 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:17.119 wow oh I didn't hear your feelings today and he goes to live stream Doc and he 01:02:14.720 --> 01:02:22.119 searches for a new dog let me pick something that dummy Josh doesn't know 01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:24.599 anything about um what do you think of 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:28.799 veridium usage in um last for 01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:36.599 ponies I don't want to talk anymore 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:40.799 he'll find oh oh slick you got to give it to me if I got lonus to be quiet! that 01:02:38.720 --> 01:02:43.720 is like an epic Achi that's actually that is quite impressive we should 01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:47.039 probably have a separate like lower third animation that like can put a 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:53.319 little crown on him that's like achievement unlocked do I get a badge 01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:54.720 badge on the Forum oh silenced Linus and 01:02:53.319 --> 01:02:59.359 it can be like one of the like the silence icons from video game like was 01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:02.960 actually able to silence lonus badge award Forum we're actually going to be 01:03:01.240 --> 01:03:07.880 adding Awards on our Forum speaking of me not having they're done they're 01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:10.119 mostly done oh good work well it was uh 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:15.599 call out of windspeed I installed it he distributed which was a huge job so 01:03:12.520 --> 01:03:18.760 thank you w speaking of fist bumps 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:21.240 EA is apparently getting sued for 01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:25.039 shutting down the servers for games that they're not really running anymore so 01:03:23.240 --> 01:03:30.200 this was posted on the Forum by ich chondo and the article is from Tech dirt 01:03:27.799 --> 01:03:35.960 and basically what's happening is Justin 01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:41.599 Basset claims he bought several sports themed games for Xbox 360 for about 01:03:38.720 --> 01:03:45.799 $59.99 each relying on Electronic Arts representation that the games were 01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:50.240 enabled for unlimited online play but the games were available for only a 01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:52.680 limited time he says had the plaintiff known at the time he would not be able 01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:58.760 to play the products online for a certain amount of time he would not have purchased the products or paid the price 01:03:55.200 --> 01:04:02.559 he paid for the 01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:05.240 products whose side are we on here 01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:10.440 should they have to run servers forever should they not un Unlimited No not 01:04:08.520 --> 01:04:15.000 necessarily unlimited but the amount of time that EA does run servers is not 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:20.119 very acceptable because it's a such incredibly short amount of time now that 01:04:17.720 --> 01:04:24.240 this document didn't actually State anywhere specifically on it unless it's 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:29.039 in the huge 24 page something or other legal document one page might be 01:04:27.319 --> 01:04:33.000 somewhere there exactly how long the particular games that he talking abouted 01:04:31.359 --> 01:04:37.680 but it is very very short period of time what he's asking for I believe is a 01:04:34.520 --> 01:04:38.760 minimum of 3 years which is not a lot to 01:04:37.680 --> 01:04:46.000 ask for a game Halo Halo 1 was like quite a or 01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:52.520 Halo 2 sorry it was quite a while like quite a long time and NES was supported 01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:54.440 for 24 years like that's too much to ask 01:04:52.520 --> 01:04:58.680 in my opinion you shouldn't ask for 24 years but you should also be able to ask 01:04:56.440 --> 01:05:04.680 for more than one or two years and I think what they were also asking is that 01:05:01.160 --> 01:05:06.079 EA should disclose what the window is 01:05:04.680 --> 01:05:11.400 you can't say unlimited if it's going to be a year or two Josh what do you think 01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:15.160 the solution is here yeah good question right I mean I do see both sides of it 01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:19.079 like you know indefinite support is is not something that you can ask for but 01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:22.920 then yeah getting short changed like uh well you know you bought that last 01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:26.440 Tuesday and uh didn't sell the way we thought it would and we want to 01:05:24.720 --> 01:05:30.799 reallocate that team so you have till next Thursday to play your game yeah you 01:05:28.839 --> 01:05:33.599 know I don't know I don't know what the answer is but yeah I think like like 01:05:32.319 --> 01:05:38.480 three years something like that I think that's feasible I mean if you look at the investment that you put into it like 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:42.039 what what do you expect the life cycle of a game to be especially with the 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:45.880 sports game where you know I guess replay is is a lot higher you know 01:05:44.279 --> 01:05:49.760 you're not looking replay is incredibly High yeah so it's one of those things 01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:54.680 where it's not like oh I beat the storyline or I'm tired of going out and 01:05:52.359 --> 01:05:59.440 just you know doing raids or whatever else I don't know I mean but I can rest 01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:05.240 assure whatever EA does you guys won't like it you know what I think the 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:07.160 solution that I would be happy with is 01:06:05.240 --> 01:06:11.760 EA running their own servers for however long they want then 01:06:10.160 --> 01:06:15.400 allowing other people to do so afterwards and allowing third party 01:06:13.640 --> 01:06:18.799 servers to be hosted because that's the thing that kills me about it we've got a 01:06:16.799 --> 01:06:21.640 lot of the twitch chat going like counter- strike still running 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:25.279 Battlefield Bad Company 2 is still running quake's still running all this 01:06:23.680 --> 01:06:31.160 stuff's still running and it's like well yeah because the community is allowed to keep 01:06:28.839 --> 01:06:35.920 it running that's the problem with EA's closed platform when it comes to server 01:06:33.200 --> 01:06:40.799 hosting is that the game runs for as long as they kind of sit there and go 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:45.839 like yep and and this time it's not just an EA problem just this EA getting sued 01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:49.200 so it got into our doc well that in EA is one of the worst offenders because 01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:54.880 they're doing yearly releases on their titles I mean if blizzard had released 01:06:52.160 --> 01:06:59.480 you know 16 starcrafts by now I'm willing to bet Starcraft 1 support would 01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:03.960 have fallen away at some point whereas blizzard releases so few titles the 01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:08.440 overhead is especially because a lot of their older library is old ass games 01:07:06.319 --> 01:07:13.400 where the overhead is much lower so so there's all of that but EA backs 01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:17.240 themselves into this corner where realistically if they were fully 01:07:15.160 --> 01:07:21.880 supporting with a battl net like infrastructure every single sports game 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:25.960 they've ever made for a period of like 10 01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:30.119 years would it really take that much though it wouldn't not take that much 01:07:28.640 --> 01:07:33.799 because even things like security patches security patches you'd have to 01:07:31.720 --> 01:07:37.440 have teams working on them that's a good point the security patches point is very 01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:40.160 good but hosting the infrastructure I it's not going to take that much okay 01:07:38.720 --> 01:07:44.440 that I don't think is the problem the problem is the overhead yeah yeah people 01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:49.079 working on it stuff like that and that's interesting and yes I understand and 01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:53.720 like I said EA is not at all the only company that has done this and had 01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:56.079 problems with it but it's just obviously they're a huge company they're going to 01:07:54.799 --> 01:08:01.720 come up and our do but yeah every week every week in other 01:07:59.520 --> 01:08:08.480 news EA actually did something really good yeah I'll bring this one up but a a 01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:13.599 little bit really good it's it's down a little bit from the other one it's still 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:19.080 topics I hate to bail but I gotta roll so all right thank you for joining us 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:21.319 Josh you've been a fantastic guest guys 01:08:19.080 --> 01:08:24.640 that let us know in the twitch chat I'm actually going to start asking twitch 01:08:22.799 --> 01:08:30.040 chat to rate all of our guests on a scale of 1 start with 01:08:28.040 --> 01:08:35.319 Josh he's a model of course he's going to get highly rated models do not always 01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:41.799 get highly rated when they are like you know sex toy models because those 01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:44.080 pictures are gross dude what you didn't 01:08:41.799 --> 01:08:49.279 know what kind of modeling Josh does evidentally neither did I but you 01:08:46.480 --> 01:08:51.920 know I'm glad I found out just because just L it's just cuz you're good with 01:08:50.400 --> 01:08:56.359 Photoshop I don't know what posters you got on your wall but you know I tell you 01:08:54.400 --> 01:09:01.440 what the next time this that that I do the live stream because I will be back 01:08:58.839 --> 01:09:07.199 in person and then I can turn around and look at your I guess homage to Tech 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:11.400 Syndicate behind you there on the wall hey it is it is always right outside the 01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:15.759 frame at all times you know how Logan's always joking about he could potentially 01:09:13.120 --> 01:09:22.440 not be wearing pants I could potentially have lewd photos of you Logan slick and 01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:29.239 every other industry affiliate that I've ever talked to just out of frame 01:09:26.080 --> 01:09:31.359 right here right here guys and I could 01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:35.279 potentially not be wearing pants peace Josh thanks for joining us and we'll see 01:09:33.440 --> 01:09:40.440 you again soon sounds cool I'll see you guys later thanks for having see you later joosh all 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:45.080 right so why don't we move on to our next topic which is that EA sucks a 01:09:42.440 --> 01:09:48.600 little bit less a little a little bit less I don't give them that much credit 01:09:46.839 --> 01:09:52.239 for this no neither do I that's why I keep on saying a little bit where is it 01:09:50.400 --> 01:09:57.520 ah yes okay I couldn't find it because it was hiding it the the the the title 01:09:54.840 --> 01:10:02.320 of the article was EA did something good which was I wasn't looking for that even 01:09:59.960 --> 01:10:07.520 so so EA this was posted on the lineus tech tips Forum by user lightning thank 01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:10.760 you very much for that EA raises 01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:12.520 $188,000 for AIDS research more than 80 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:16.120 staffers took part in the event which is a 10 km fundraising wathon the money 01:10:14.719 --> 01:10:22.400 will go to the San Francisco AIDS Foundation and 50 other Aid Service organizations throughout the bay area's 01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:28.159 important to be involved etc etc etc and 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:32.600 yeah they they they they match the employees cont contributions okay that's 01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:38.360 what they do so they match the employees contributions which totaled 01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:43.719 $118,000 but you're EA yeah I mean to me this is kind of 01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:48.800 like um you know I can't sorry I can't possibly say it's bad no because it's 01:10:46.400 --> 01:10:52.719 not it's not a bad thing but it's like this doesn't make up for if if I don't I 01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:56.280 don't know maybe this is a yearly thing whatever maybe this has just been going 01:10:54.120 --> 01:11:00.280 on forever but if this was an attempt to like buy back some of the hate like dude 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:04.560 you're really far off you should have made a bigger splash I mean it's kind of 01:11:02.280 --> 01:11:09.159 like uh it just seems kind of hollow like you know when a celebrity gets 01:11:07.360 --> 01:11:11.880 diagnosed with some disease and then they donate millions of dollars to the 01:11:10.400 --> 01:11:15.560 foundation that's trying to cure the yeah and then when it's something that 01:11:13.440 --> 01:11:19.640 doesn't affect them personally it's just like uh they tweet about it or whatever 01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:23.360 that to me is what this kind of feels like where it's like um yeah you could 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:27.400 have done more but I don't want to criticize because the reality of it is 01:11:25.400 --> 01:11:31.920 you did thousands of still a very good thing so I'm I'm happy that EA did this 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:35.679 and if it's a yearly thing then it's just probably something that's been going on forever and it's not a huge 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:40.400 deal it's just a part of the company that's very cool if this was an attempt 01:11:37.679 --> 01:11:45.520 to like make people like them more then dude you missed the mark by quite a bit 01:11:43.400 --> 01:11:50.880 so I I would like to know more about the story but good job EA thank you for 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:54.080 donating to raids raids research raids 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:55.840 research no I think you're thinking of 01:11:54.080 --> 01:12:00.120 Blizzard yeah I I meant to say AIDS research we're on 01:11:58.440 --> 01:12:03.960 fire today we are on fire today all right let's talk about the lab grown 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:09.639 Burger because I totally think this is awesome so this actually is sort of in 01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:13.800 line with the conversation that we were having about building an all-in-one 01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:18.040 that's a like a boutique grade all-in-one computer when you only build 01:12:16.280 --> 01:12:22.040 a couple of them something that is by definition Boutique it is extremely 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:27.520 expensive so this is an article from Digital Trends unsurprisingly says the 01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:35.080 headline the $300,000 lab grown Burger so this was 01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:39.719 made using um 3D printing technology as 01:12:35.080 --> 01:12:41.239 well as simulated meat that was grown as 01:12:39.719 --> 01:12:44.480 opposed to actually hold on no no this one does use 3D printing or doesn't I 01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:50.080 know there's something else that's so blah blah yeah 3D printed lab grown 01:12:46.320 --> 01:12:53.880 Burger um to build what should be 01:12:50.080 --> 01:12:56.719 nutritionally and in theory taste-wise 01:12:53.880 --> 01:13:03.159 beef yeah so it's it cost $331,900 to produce no one liked it and 01:13:01.440 --> 01:13:09.400 it's kind of insane but here's the tweets from the uh the BBC 01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:11.639 correspondent Hanny says she expected 01:13:09.400 --> 01:13:15.920 texture to be softer it's close to meat but not juicy there's no fat in the 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:21.600 burger so tasters say not the right flavor both tasters want 01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:25.560 ketchup the lack of fat marbles means that the lack of savory overindulgent 01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:31.120 finish that we've come to en Joy that's a direct quote almost direct quote from 01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:34.000 the article is is not there we like fat 01:13:31.120 --> 01:13:40.440 we like juice and it's not F salt and fat and salt juice and this is a health 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:42.199 focused 3D printed Burger yeah I I'm 01:13:40.440 --> 01:13:46.960 sure if they see another thing is if you look at the picture there's bun Patty 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:52.920 tomato lettuce yeah they probably could have dressed it up a little more mus they 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:55.719 could they could have put ketchup on it this is kind of a fun article I don't 01:13:54.120 --> 01:14:00.400 know if you read this but they've got other ridiculously expensive foods that 01:13:57.719 --> 01:14:04.560 you could have bought instead so 331 golden opulent Sundays which is like 01:14:02.719 --> 01:14:08.520 expensive chocolates gold covered almonds chocolate truffled candies 01:14:06.080 --> 01:14:13.199 fruits and topped with a 23 karat edible Gold Leaf you can get diamond encrusted 01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:19.320 Sushi you could get 331,000 McDonald's 01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:23.520 cheeseburgers which would kill 01:14:19.320 --> 01:14:25.920 you I mean yeah whatever um all right 01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:30.840 moving on to our next thing John carac joins Oculus as the CTO so we were 01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:35.600 talking last week I think about how NVIDIA is making their own virtual 01:14:32.480 --> 01:14:37.120 reality headset and some thoughts that 01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:42.159 was like a weird prototype weird prototype thing and all that kind of stuff but some some interesting thoughts 01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:46.199 came up people talking about maybe more mature companies were going to step in 01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:49.159 and just blow up the field I saw a lot of comments about this in different 01:14:47.280 --> 01:14:52.280 places and people were worried that Oculus might get run over Oculus would 01:14:51.040 --> 01:14:58.400 Pioneer the whole thing and then just get completely run over John carac steps 01:14:55.719 --> 01:15:02.480 Everything Changes Oculus Rift is now that mature company it like doesn't 01:15:00.360 --> 01:15:07.320 matter anymore The credibility is there just I mean like okay when you're when 01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:12.199 you build the Prototype that works your credibility goes like this oh when valve 01:15:10.040 --> 01:15:16.120 is all like got their panties all wet about what you're doing your credibility 01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:20.520 goes like this John karmac is one of those guys that could actually sit at a 01:15:18.679 --> 01:15:28.040 round table with someone like Gabe Newell and talk shop so when he legit 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:29.600 joins your company as the CTO then your 01:15:28.040 --> 01:15:33.280 credibility goes like this you get one of those big iterations of credibility 01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:38.280 that he was just talking about it's just huge so good for them what's great about 01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:42.159 him is he's one of those guys that again this is The credibility conversation 01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:47.360 where it goes beyond his technical skill because a lot of uh truly Visionary guys 01:15:45.679 --> 01:15:52.320 I mean I think Steve wnc's a great example which will help segue into our 01:15:49.040 --> 01:15:54.280 next topic um where they're Visionaries 01:15:52.320 --> 01:15:57.800 and they Geniuses and they're brilliant but I mean put them in front of a camera 01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:01.800 or you try to like talk to them and you're kind of 01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:05.400 like they can be I mean and was is a lot better particularly these days I mean 01:16:04.080 --> 01:16:10.719 his Big Bang Theory appearance was awesome yeah 01:16:07.679 --> 01:16:13.639 but having someone who's as eloquent as 01:16:10.719 --> 01:16:19.040 John carac he's a great interviewee he's fantastic I mean's amazing like he's so 01:16:16.360 --> 01:16:25.400 good I mean we could just sort of like you know wank off John karmac for the 01:16:21.920 --> 01:16:26.880 rest of this show I think and and both 01:16:25.400 --> 01:16:31.920 of us would enjoy it I don't know that he would John if you're watching I'm sorry for saying that that was totally 01:16:29.679 --> 01:16:36.000 inappropriate but you're awesome and uh very excited that he's now the CTO of 01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:39.199 oculus rift because I'm super stoked to get it everyone else is super stoked to 01:16:37.320 --> 01:16:43.600 get it and this just makes me much more confident the I mean future of gaming 01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:46.719 guys future of gaming seriously that's uh extremely exciting speaking of which 01:16:45.400 --> 01:16:50.800 I wanted to bring up something that I didn't have a chance to talk about last 01:16:48.480 --> 01:16:56.400 week oh I said I was going to segue into uh into the uh the jobs movie is this 01:16:54.040 --> 01:17:02.159 better than that I think maybe okay let's do it do it um our our old things 01:16:59.360 --> 01:17:05.719 that people tried to make and fail that brutally now becoming things that make 01:17:04.360 --> 01:17:10.360 tons of sense and everyone super excited about like the Power Glove turning into 01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:15.120 peragine Virtual Boy turning into Oculus R I never replied to an email from 01:17:12.719 --> 01:17:18.800 paragan you probably should crap they were gonna no cuz I reached out to them 01:17:17.120 --> 01:17:23.960 about getting a sample so that we could uh so we could check it out and showcase it I'm going to email you right now so 01:17:22.280 --> 01:17:27.360 that you remember to do that later shoot cuz I think he said said no initially 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:32.120 cuz they didn't have any they didn't have any budget for it or something like that but then I think he reached out to 01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:37.159 me again so for those of you guys who haven't heard of it the paragan glove is 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:41.080 I'm just going to load it up here the paragan home let's go ahead and fire 01:17:39.080 --> 01:17:45.920 this up all right so there talk about Power Glove versus paragan so Power 01:17:43.400 --> 01:17:50.760 Glove is they're actually very different but the idea of having a controller stra 01:17:48.120 --> 01:17:54.159 to your hand and or ARM in some way is still inherent in peragine so what you 01:17:52.440 --> 01:17:58.800 do is you have your controlling thumb and you touch different points on your 01:17:55.960 --> 01:18:02.000 fingers to the contacts on your um on your thumb so there's contacts along 01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:05.159 each one of your fingers and you touch it to your thumb and then those are 01:18:03.320 --> 01:18:10.120 bound to buttons on your keyboard so you can essentially play games with just 01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:12.120 your hand which is interesting enables 01:18:10.120 --> 01:18:17.000 different my favorite thing about it is if you have special disabilities it can 01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:19.760 help you a lot now you tried it you didn't like it that much initially I 01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:24.000 tried it I didn't like it that much initially because I what I was trying to 01:18:21.719 --> 01:18:29.280 do was and one of the problems is certain pieces of Hardware will not demo 01:18:26.080 --> 01:18:31.040 well you have to use it for a while to 01:18:29.280 --> 01:18:34.560 actually get used to it so I sit down try and play DotA with this thing and 01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:39.360 I'm trying to quickly press all the buttons by tapping my fingers together 01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:43.560 and it just felt weird because my natural muscle memory is not to tap my 01:18:42.080 --> 01:18:48.080 fingers together when I when I want to press uh qw R right I'm not tapping my 01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:53.400 fingers together so I'd run up to someone to fight and then instinctively my hand would like go down to try and 01:18:51.679 --> 01:18:56.360 like tap on the keyboard and i' be like no wait I have to press and then i' have 01:18:54.840 --> 01:19:00.840 to remember like which one was which and it it wasn't twitch and it wasn't 01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:04.440 instinctive but if you play with it for a while it could be twitch and 01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:08.440 instinctive so I would be interested to play with it for like a day instead of a 01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:12.800 five minute demo that I got at PS a few years back right so I didn't like it and 01:19:11.280 --> 01:19:16.159 I don't necessarily think you could be as fast because on a keyboard all your 01:19:14.400 --> 01:19:23.600 fingers will be resting on those keys but okay hold on hold on think about this for a minute 01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:23.600 okay um 01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:34.280 Oculus combining I know exactly paragan and then something like Lea frog 01:19:31.280 --> 01:19:35.960 yep combining everything together all 01:19:34.280 --> 01:19:40.760 these Technologies coming in at one is going to make them all stronger Omni 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:43.960 needs other things to be awesome Oculus doesn't necessarily need other things to 01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:50.360 be awesome but raises up so much when you add other things to it so I don't 01:19:46.280 --> 01:19:54.840 know it could no 01:19:50.360 --> 01:19:58.840 way so for the fourth time we are attemp 01:19:54.840 --> 01:20:03.560 in to record the back half of this show 01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:07.480 which I think is actually going to 01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:08.880 kill me and or slick at some point here 01:20:07.480 --> 01:20:14.080 because between the technical difficulties with the initial stream and 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:17.679 then the fact that we thought we were recording and then we weren't and then 01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:22.320 we thought we were recording again and then we weren't because I think that was 01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:26.000 my bad that time cuz I think I clicked live stream and our internet is still 01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:28.960 down um okay and then live stream usually does both so you thought it 01:20:27.080 --> 01:20:33.000 would be fine so I like I was on autopilot I very rarely used the local 01:20:31.400 --> 01:20:39.159 record feature because oh cuz this is supposed to be a 01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:41.600 live show but it's not 01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:45.560 apparently back to Ashton Kutcher back to Ashton Kutcher anyway we left off 01:20:43.719 --> 01:20:51.639 with the paragan where the clip just kind of dies and basically we're excited 01:20:48.360 --> 01:20:53.440 because paragan um is a glove that you 01:20:51.639 --> 01:20:58.000 can use to interact with your computer and with not a keyboard board and that 01:20:55.920 --> 01:21:01.239 plus Leap Motion is cool and that plus Oculus is cool and the way it all 01:20:59.360 --> 01:21:06.440 integrates is going to be cool things that aren't cool Ashton cutcher I'm 01:21:03.320 --> 01:21:08.600 sorry but punct wasn't cool 70 show was 01:21:06.440 --> 01:21:14.960 cool but dude that was an awful long time ago and this is a Gizmodo article 01:21:11.320 --> 01:21:18.920 on was basically saying in an email 01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:22.080 that's kind of not how it happened yeah 01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:23.159 so so I I want to jump in right away on 01:21:22.080 --> 01:21:28.159 something that it took me a while to remember before but in spite of the fact 01:21:25.679 --> 01:21:32.639 that it's in your notes for this topic you said it the first time you said it 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:36.320 the second time forgot the third time and then the fourth time I'm opening 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:40.800 with it you're opening with it okay hit me go watch Pirates of Silicone Valley 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:44.840 it's an amazing movie and is a really good accurate portrayal of the beginning 01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:48.400 of both Microsoft and Apple so if you want all the starting of it go back 01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:53.840 watch that movie it's an older movie it's still really good this has some 01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:55.360 Hollywood going on and I mean there's 01:21:53.840 --> 01:22:01.920 like this scene in an underground parking lot where jobs is like was don't 01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:04.480 you see it's the future of computing 01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:09.840 holy crap man oh my God we're going to change the world and from W's sort of 01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:15.719 interpretation he seems to be a pretty grounded guy with no real incentive to 01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:18.600 lie about things at this point not 01:22:15.719 --> 01:22:21.760 close we never had such interaction and roles I'm not even sure what it's 01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:25.639 getting at personalities are very wrong although 01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:31.560 mine is closer don't forget that my purpose was 01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:38.280 inspired by the values of The Homebrew Computer Club so these ideas that of 01:22:36.639 --> 01:22:42.239 computers affecting Society didn't come from jobs they came from The Homebrew 01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:46.560 Computer Club they were widely spoken about there I'm paraphrasing Steve Jobs 01:22:44.679 --> 01:22:49.880 came back from Oregon came to a club meeting and didn't start talking about 01:22:48.080 --> 01:22:53.320 the great social impact his idea was to make a $20 PC board and sell it for $40 01:22:52.080 --> 01:22:57.120 to help people at the club build the computer he wanted to make some money 01:22:55.400 --> 01:23:01.199 yes and help people build computers the lofty talk came much further down the 01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:04.400 road and I never looked like a professional we were both kids our 01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:07.920 relationship was so different than what was portrayed I'm embarrassed but if the 01:23:06.400 --> 01:23:13.159 movie is fun and entertaining all the better in fact looking at the portrayal 01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:17.440 of jobs in the movie uh based on what I've read in the biography about him 01:23:15.040 --> 01:23:23.120 basically being a smelly hippie that you wouldn't want like anywhere near your 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:25.719 furniture or children like it it really 01:23:23.120 --> 01:23:30.280 seems like they've go watch Pirates of Silicon Valley okay 01:23:28.360 --> 01:23:34.760 there now we've done that topic let's move on to the next one that we're doing 01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:36.880 for the bloody fourth time HTC1 Max I 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:41.199 can't even remember is this was this did we do this before I think we did this 01:23:38.280 --> 01:23:45.480 before before the the bad things okay we did the felony thing before the bad 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:50.679 things the the the console thing yeah console optimizations yes John karmac 01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:55.800 again I swear we could talk about how awesome John karmac is like forever we 01:23:53.159 --> 01:24:00.560 we just did we just we have we have now talked about how awesome John carac is 01:23:58.280 --> 01:24:06.159 forever all day we've been talking about John carac you're awesome um so 01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:08.360 basically the performance boosts oh this 01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:13.840 was posted on the Forum by Tech fanatic Matt higgy has come out and said the 01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:18.360 performance boosts that they are achieving by optimizing their game for 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:24.000 multicore in order to Port it to the PlayStation 4 are already going to be 01:24:21.719 --> 01:24:27.440 able to affect the optimization of the PC 01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:36.000 version and Planet Side 2 is nothing if not a poorly optimized single thread 01:24:31.360 --> 01:24:38.280 single thread only game so the thing 01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:42.880 about PS4 and Xbox One is that they might have eight core CPUs but man they 01:24:40.080 --> 01:24:48.840 are not powerful cores no they are like they are like if you know a vegetarian 01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:53.920 had bulimia and wasn't taking the proper supplements like dude they've got no 01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:55.960 energy because they're you know not 01:24:53.920 --> 01:25:01.000 suppl they don't have a correct diet and they're not keeping their food I don't 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:03.080 know where I'm going with this I'm tired 01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:06.239 it has actually been a phenomenally long day and I didn't sleep till like 5:30 01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:11.280 last night he's had a different way of describing those cores every single time 01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:16.520 we've done this and that was the best one I think by best You' being worst 01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:21.199 yeah anyway the cores aren't very powerful so for game developers to be 01:25:19.080 --> 01:25:25.719 able to leverage that power we're talking we we're talking cell processor 01:25:23.719 --> 01:25:29.239 all over again where it's that was way Ahad of time and no one was able to 01:25:27.480 --> 01:25:34.119 optimize it different architecture and there was a buch ofes and blah blah blah 01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:37.639 blah blah now they x86 so it's like guys 01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:40.159 get your act together optimize this 01:25:37.639 --> 01:25:45.080 stuff and the PC will benefit as well which is great because developers could 01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:46.880 rely on the PC to have these Uber single 01:25:45.080 --> 01:25:52.440 thread cores and that's on both the Intel and AMD side but these more mobile 01:25:49.719 --> 01:25:55.400 optimized low power consumption Apu chips in these consoles aren't able to 01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:58.960 do it it's going be great because games like Planet Side had no real intention 01:25:57.080 --> 01:26:03.760 of updating the performance of their game who really cares they're going to 01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:06.840 maybe runs well enough yeah it's fine people know how much they need to run 01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:10.040 Planet Side so now they're optimizing it for the console and now it's just going 01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:14.639 to make everything better it's not a bad thing at all speaking of optimization 01:26:12.679 --> 01:26:18.480 wait did we talk about Cuda is doomed I have no idea I have no idea what we 01:26:16.440 --> 01:26:25.440 talked about anyway icho on the Forum skip this if we've already talked about 01:26:20.040 --> 01:26:25.440 it I don't I don't know um so 01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:34.239 oh man basically AMD shots fired Ron Taylor on apus gaming in the end of Cuda 01:26:31.639 --> 01:26:40.800 basically the summary is Cuda is a closed standard Gamers like what's this 01:26:37.360 --> 01:26:43.239 this quote is so awesome just fires 01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:46.719 everything all the bullets F okay so he's talking about FX but because 01:26:45.320 --> 01:26:51.600 there's a parallel being drawn between FX and Cuda and that they're both close 01:26:48.400 --> 01:26:54.040 standards unlike opencl FX is an utter 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:58.199 failure because it's proprietary nobody want wants it you don't want it I don't 01:26:56.040 --> 01:27:03.360 want it Gamers don't want it analysts don't want 01:27:00.360 --> 01:27:05.159 it so I think that pretty much uh that 01:27:03.360 --> 01:27:09.639 pretty much says it I mean the thing about fiz X is that in the very 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:14.320 beginning it was much more terrible than it is now it was like this weird 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:19.040 dedicated card that ran in a PCI slot of all things I me nobody really bought it 01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:22.080 yeah if anyone needed to sort of you know work through their mind that it 01:27:20.440 --> 01:27:27.000 wasn't doing anything the fact that it ran in a PCI slot meant that there 01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:30.880 probably wasn't much data transfer going on here so it probably wasn't I mean 01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:34.000 that's an oversimplification it could be doing a lot of work on its side and then 01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:38.119 spitting out results that don't require much bandwidth but I'm just I'm kind of 01:27:35.560 --> 01:27:41.679 making fun of it um and then it got better when NVIDIA acquired them and now 01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:46.040 anyone with an NVIDIA graphics card was able to run physx accelerated Cuda 01:27:44.280 --> 01:27:50.760 accelerated physx all that stuff but at the end of the day I think that I think 01:27:48.280 --> 01:27:53.760 he's right I think Open Standards like open CL are going to be the future I 01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:57.840 mean you look at even companies like Adobe what a major win that was CS6 01:27:56.159 --> 01:28:01.800 running Cuda that might have just won it for them because okay open platforms and 01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:06.239 computers go together like nothing ever before people love open platforms on 01:28:04.080 --> 01:28:09.480 computers I trying to find a different way to say this than every single other 01:28:07.440 --> 01:28:13.400 time I've said it um you don't have to it's okay just go over bait them and 01:28:11.320 --> 01:28:17.199 they'll bear with it there there's paid which people aren't totally into on 01:28:15.400 --> 01:28:19.679 computers then there's free which is kind of a big deal then there's open 01:28:18.639 --> 01:28:25.159 which is on a completely different platform because the second you bring out open everyone can optimize it for 01:28:23.280 --> 01:28:28.159 their own use and they can either deliver it for free or they can charge 01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:32.679 money or they can charge money for it depending on how they how they augment 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:37.320 it but when someone like Adobe backs it you know that adobe is going to probably 01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:42.080 be contributing in some way yes and I mean the thing is that it's not like 01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:46.320 cuda's dead no like it's certainly not dead today I mean look at something like 01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:50.800 the Titan super computer any kind of specialized application where you're 01:28:48.239 --> 01:28:54.560 really like specialized hardware and specialized programming languages may 01:28:52.719 --> 01:28:59.480 actually be optimal for an like that where you are really dialing 01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:02.320 down into the hardware to get the absolute most out of it and you're 01:29:00.719 --> 01:29:06.600 purpose building a single machine and purpose building software to run on it 01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:10.679 but then again maybe that's what Ron's talking about is maybe we shouldn't 01:29:08.840 --> 01:29:15.320 purpose build software in purpose bu because at the same time if if you take 01:29:12.360 --> 01:29:20.239 an open platform you can you can hack into it and change things to make it 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:22.679 purpose buil yes so so open is open's 01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:28.760 great and that's basically what he's saying so there there you go yet another 01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:32.320 thing that uh that we something talked about before but now we're talking about 01:29:30.679 --> 01:29:39.119 again um did we talk about 3D NE flash yet ah 01:29:36.639 --> 01:29:45.800 yes no we didn't okay Samsung changing the SSD game again with 3D vertical Nan 01:29:43.360 --> 01:29:50.000 flash this is fantastic because Samsung's already using really 01:29:48.400 --> 01:29:54.119 Innovative strategies to bring more performance to SSD so things like RAM 01:29:52.600 --> 01:29:59.119 caching with their rapid technology Tech ology as well as that weird mode I don't 01:29:57.679 --> 01:30:05.440 even remember what they call it but basically they're emulating SLC flash 01:30:02.440 --> 01:30:08.040 operation on TLC Flash in order to get a 01:30:05.440 --> 01:30:11.920 performance boost that's temporary but very very real and something that many 01:30:10.080 --> 01:30:17.199 users will be able to realize a lot of the time definely now they're driving 01:30:14.320 --> 01:30:21.480 capacity what how many layers is this 24 I believe so there it is uh yes 24 01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:25.360 layers vertically they can stack 24 layers of traditional styled flash this 01:30:23.400 --> 01:30:29.040 was posted by M on the Forum by the way on top of each other's vertically to 01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:32.400 just oh your capacities are going to explode so we're going to be talking 01:30:30.480 --> 01:30:40.360 about smartphones that instead of coming in 16 32 and 64 gig like they have been 01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:45.560 since the dawn of bloody time we might be talking about 384 gig 01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:50.880 smartphone a yeah I mean come on like iPad 1 had the same capacities available 01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:54.560 as iPad 4 which is brutal and you look at Apple they actually are trying to 01:30:53.159 --> 01:31:02.560 drive things forward look launched IP after IP 3 we we can 01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:04.239 build so here it is does it bone people 01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:07.800 who just bought an iPad 3 a little bit oh I don't know maybe but they don't 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:11.679 care here's a higher resolution display because we can here's a more faster 01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:14.880 processor because we can and I think if they could deliver higher capacities 01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:20.080 while maintaining their lucrative product profit margins they would this 01:31:17.360 --> 01:31:26.440 will enable it so yay stacking stuff find another topic go 01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:31.440 go uh what have we not talked about NVIDIA tablet Market thing yes yay 01:31:29.040 --> 01:31:35.119 NVIDIA diving into tablets Beyond NVIDIA Shield which hopefully ours is going to 01:31:33.080 --> 01:31:39.760 arrive soon so what we were discussing was how Microsoft tried to dive into 01:31:37.080 --> 01:31:44.000 tablets and it was a very very bad thing very very bad thing and how while this 01:31:42.280 --> 01:31:48.560 is dangerous and I think jumping into the tablet game at this point in time is 01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:51.480 borderline suicidal posted by telha on the Forum by the way there's a Maximum 01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:55.280 PC article that we're going to go to go ahead y um it's it's borderline suicide 01:31:54.080 --> 01:32:00.400 but if someone's going to do it it might as well be NVIDIA because they're going to gain some experience from their 01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:04.239 shield and they're going to get more developers looking into building that 01:32:02.080 --> 01:32:07.960 style of Android game not necessarily touchcreen Android game and then they're 01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:11.800 going to come up with a tablet and that tablet will probably like hear 01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:15.840 controllers whatnot like it's it's going to be Tegra 5 it's going to be gaming 01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:19.520 and I mean you look at what they're doing on the software side as well it's 01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:24.080 more than just the hardware with these guys lately and I mean that's what and 01:32:21.679 --> 01:32:28.440 it's funny because that uh that article has a link or has a picture of the Razor 01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:33.960 Edge and that's another company that's trying to differentiate based on not 01:32:31.080 --> 01:32:37.320 only Hardware but also software so you look at what they're doing with comms 01:32:35.360 --> 01:32:41.480 which by the way guys we are powered by Razer comms download it here if you 01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:44.400 haven't already try it out it's free it's voice chat software that doesn't 01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:48.800 require any kind of server or any kind of complicated setup and anyway that's 01:32:46.119 --> 01:32:54.560 what NVIDIA is doing Shadow play GeForce experience it's more than just FPS now 01:32:51.440 --> 01:32:58.080 yeah yeah and the built-in h264 encod in 01:32:54.560 --> 01:33:00.320 Kepler may be a big part of this 01:32:58.080 --> 01:33:03.320 upcoming tablet I fully expect them you you said that was a picture of the razor 01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:06.920 tablet and yeah but I fully expect them to have some type of controllers oh yeah 01:33:05.040 --> 01:33:11.360 I wouldn't be surprised at all probably similar to that style or something like 01:33:08.679 --> 01:33:16.080 that style and I mean with h264 and code like with Shield you're able to use a 01:33:13.239 --> 01:33:20.159 Kepler grade GPU to push to it and it can decode it yeah but this is an older 01:33:18.480 --> 01:33:25.800 architecture now at this point whereas if we have a Kepler based on the tablet 01:33:22.639 --> 01:33:28.520 now all of a sudden stand like Wy that 01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:33.679 are I mean come on who's put up your hand if you actually used YY at some 01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:38.119 point other than at work no so I'm not going to put up my hand so okay Wii uh 01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:42.800 you know you look at devices like chomecast we might be looking at with 01:33:40.679 --> 01:33:48.560 built-in hardware and coding ways to stream High much higher bit rate much 01:33:45.320 --> 01:33:51.320 higher quality video streams with dumb 01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:54.880 dongles on the other end and by the time that rolls around we might have a Next 01:33:52.639 --> 01:33:58.840 Generation CH caster something like that that's per that's a perfect match for it 01:33:56.840 --> 01:34:02.880 yep definitely definitely extremely exciting so if anyone's going to pull it 01:34:00.719 --> 01:34:08.080 off probably NVIDIA probably NVIDIA so it's still crazy yeah it's still insane 01:34:05.360 --> 01:34:13.719 but they could do it which is cool um was that all we did before build 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:20.400 doogs or did we do more uh we had the radon 9970 rumors so this is the 01:34:17.280 --> 01:34:23.719 volcanic islands series of gpus which is 01:34:20.400 --> 01:34:26.679 sort of appropriate because per meru 01:34:23.719 --> 01:34:31.600 post on the Forum the rumor is the 9970 will have a 300 wat TDP which actually 01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:36.600 if that's true I can't imagine that's true that should exceed the PCI Express 01:34:33.639 --> 01:34:40.080 standard I believe I thought it was 275 Max that's interesting I didn't even 01:34:38.440 --> 01:34:45.560 think about that I could be wrong I could be wrong but anyway huge TDP this 01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:49.440 is the rumored card uh the code name is Hawaii there's also a rumor that they're 01:34:47.480 --> 01:34:55.320 going to launch it in Hawaii at like a special press event that would be kind 01:34:51.320 --> 01:34:57.440 of cool um prepare your water blocks Oh 01:34:55.320 --> 01:35:01.920 serious post here I we've talked a few times about how 01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:05.560 water cooling not being as big of a deal as it was before on graphics cards it's 01:35:03.719 --> 01:35:10.920 becoming a bigger deal hello yeah exactly Titan this speaking of Titan the 01:35:08.639 --> 01:35:16.600 rumored performance is that it'll be around 5% faster than Titan so while we 01:35:14.719 --> 01:35:20.199 can't confirm nor deny the rumors because we actually don't know there's 01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:25.960 oh wait there's a lot of stuff in here about specs so they're claiming 1 gigz 01:35:22.040 --> 01:35:27.440 clock speeds with 4 th Shader units um 01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:33.320 effective memory clock of anywhere from 6 GHz to 6 7 GHz 52 bit bus 4 gigs of 01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:39.840 ddr5 gddr5 memory um I guess it's kind of in line 01:35:37.159 --> 01:35:44.119 with even though we can't confirm or deny kind of in line with what AMD's 01:35:42.080 --> 01:35:49.119 been doing it makes sense they slapped pricing on 01:35:46.320 --> 01:35:53.880 $79.90 got that driver out pricing I don't know if you saw netlink but there 01:35:50.719 --> 01:35:55.639 was a 7970 for like 329 01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:59.639 which is pretty cheap so it is pretty cheap yeah it's looking like they're 01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:03.800 adjusting pricing in their product stack to make room for these before they even 01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:08.199 arrive so yeah it could be a very exciting time 01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:14.159 for graphics cards over the next little bit here graphics cards have been really exciting for a little bit and AMD has 01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:19.639 been kind of doing things a little differently like coming out and saying 01:36:16.639 --> 01:36:21.480 no new gpus this year and then just and 01:36:19.639 --> 01:36:29.800 then releasing one like immediately with the 7790 I was a different architecture and 01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:32.199 then like it's like September which is 01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:37.080 last time I checked in the same calendar year as like February when they were 01:36:34.679 --> 01:36:46.360 saying this I says pardon so guys when does 01:36:42.440 --> 01:36:47.440 your year start Yo Dogs I heard you like 01:36:46.360 --> 01:36:52.239 sort of throwing everyone off a cliff in 01:36:50.280 --> 01:36:55.760 terms of how closely they're able to follow along with what you're doing 01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:58.719 doing exactly over there I mean I guess it's good because you know you don't 01:36:57.119 --> 01:37:04.080 want your competitor getting the drop on you or anything like that but uh which 01:37:02.320 --> 01:37:08.920 normally it seems like everyone does but in this case not necessarily yep yep yep 01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:12.960 all right why don't we tackle one more topic before we do build of the week and 01:37:10.639 --> 01:37:18.400 then we can uh sign off for the fourth bloody time on this uh here why don't we 01:37:16.440 --> 01:37:24.400 do something that we skipped last time Microsoft digs more holes for its 01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:27.800 console okay so I got find this give me one 01:37:27.800 --> 01:37:34.239 second those movies crashed as badly with the fourth installment as the X I 01:37:32.960 --> 01:37:41.400 wish it was the fourth Xbox wouldn't that be great I love Harrison Ford and Indiana 01:37:38.440 --> 01:37:45.639 Jones as much as anyone but speaking of which Harrison Ford is apparently going 01:37:43.040 --> 01:37:50.360 to be in the new Expendables movie really yeah Bruce Willis was asking for 01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:57.520 a million dollar a day they offered him 3 million for 4 days and he held out and 01:37:54.239 --> 01:38:00.119 uh Stallone replaced him within 72 hours 01:37:57.520 --> 01:38:04.880 with on his Twitter he was like a better actor a nicer guy and then he said 01:38:03.080 --> 01:38:09.400 something on Twitter about how like being lazy and greedy is a bad career 01:38:07.679 --> 01:38:12.520 move or something like that so well this is supposed to the whole idea of 01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:16.440 Expendables was they were just screwing around was it not the first movie was 01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:19.599 terrible so they couldn't have possibly been trying to make a serious movie it 01:38:18.119 --> 01:38:22.719 was supposed to be just like everyone getting back together we're kind of 01:38:21.679 --> 01:38:29.679 getting older now it's kind of the end of our careers just make a movie and have fun that's I I read that and then 01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:32.360 here we are three movies into the who 01:38:29.679 --> 01:38:36.599 cares whatever I refused to watch the second one based on how terrible the 01:38:33.679 --> 01:38:42.800 first one was I don't think it's for you I think they're having fun on their 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:45.560 own oh well whatever um dlf posts on the 01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:51.560 Forum this is uh this is a an article from one hit pixel oh this is just 01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:56.159 terrible cuz game streaming is such a big thing and you look at companies like 01:38:54.400 --> 01:39:00.679 twitch where we stream our where we do our live stream and everyone's trying to 01:38:58.480 --> 01:39:05.199 figure out how to cash in on game streaming Microsoft apparently thinks 01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:11.520 the method to cash in is going to be to require users to pay for Xbox Live uh 01:39:09.080 --> 01:39:14.400 gold one thing is people are probably going to be streaming multiplayer games 01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:19.800 just to be completely honest and if you're playing a multiplayer game you have Xbox Gold anyways okay that much is 01:39:17.960 --> 01:39:25.880 true I'm gonna I'm gonna play Devil's although I will okay although I will 01:39:22.599 --> 01:39:27.480 never ever mark my words sign up for a 01:39:25.880 --> 01:39:33.040 subscription based server it's not g to happen so 01:39:30.719 --> 01:39:38.840 you're not so I won't sign up for a pay permon MMO I'm not a console player I 01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:44.400 know but I mean even on PC I won't sign up for a pay permon MMO I'm not going to 01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:47.920 I don't support that model it's a I don't like that model freeo play is 01:39:46.040 --> 01:39:51.719 getting kind of gross lately though dedicated servers dedicated servers are 01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:55.480 awesome dedicated servers are what I want and no I I don't don't I don't 01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:59.560 think free to play is necessarily the right way to go either because there's a 01:39:57.719 --> 01:40:03.480 lot of pay to win and there's a lot of uh what I think it was Logan that was 01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:09.040 talking about just sort of the general level of trolling stupid itude that goes 01:40:06.599 --> 01:40:11.880 on with with freeo play no barrier of Entry I think is not necessarily great 01:40:10.840 --> 01:40:17.960 either but yeah anyway 01:40:14.280 --> 01:40:19.800 so I mean and imagining paying for an 01:40:17.960 --> 01:40:23.599 Xbox Live gold membership to me is like if you guys all just refused to pay for 01:40:22.040 --> 01:40:27.119 it it would go away it would would be free they do need people to buy the 01:40:25.599 --> 01:40:30.520 consoles and they do need people to buy the games but everyone just kind of 01:40:28.880 --> 01:40:36.880 keeps doing it sry go ahead I'm just at the same time Sony had it free people 01:40:33.239 --> 01:40:38.719 didn't like it so to BU the they had to 01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:42.679 make it paid so they could fund it more had to is an awfully strong way two to 01:40:41.040 --> 01:40:46.400 keep shareholders happy and if they didn't their company could 01:40:44.400 --> 01:40:51.719 close when you're a publicly traded company you have to do certain things 01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:53.040 okay fine um and and as now this is just 01:40:51.719 --> 01:40:56.239 something that I scraped up right before the stream started so please correct me 01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:59.800 if I'm wrong in the comments but as far as I know you can record but not 01:40:58.280 --> 01:41:06.119 necessarily upload through the PlayStation if you don't have PlayStation Plus or whatever it's called 01:41:03.159 --> 01:41:09.840 okay but it makes a ton of sense that you could just take that file and upload 01:41:07.599 --> 01:41:13.080 it off your computer oh wait no it says right here Sony's share feature for 01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:16.520 PlayStation 4 allows users to record and upload up to 15 minutes of footage and 01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:21.280 is not restricted to PlayStation Plus users record and upload okay yeah so 01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:24.599 Microsoft says uh allows gold numbers to record up to 5 minutes of in-game 01:41:22.920 --> 01:41:28.480 footage for editing and upload to the Xbox Live service that's that's a thing 01:41:26.280 --> 01:41:32.400 too they can apparently edit it on the Xbox I don't think you can edit why 01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:36.719 would you want us why would what what who Who records a five minute recording 01:41:34.360 --> 01:41:41.080 and then edits it on their XBox I mean this is how out of touch Microsoft is 01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:45.760 yep I agree I saw that and I was like oh cool you can edit it terribly like it's 01:41:44.119 --> 01:41:48.639 just going to suck all you're going to be doing is cutting it and it won't be 01:41:47.320 --> 01:41:53.800 that great I mean looking at how much worse they managed to make Windows Live Movie Maker than the original Windows 01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:57.800 Movie Maker the original Windows Movie Maker as far as I have been told wasn't 01:41:55.560 --> 01:42:01.159 even that bad no it wasn't that bad yeah Windows Live Movie Maker isn't even that 01:41:59.520 --> 01:42:06.040 bad but it isn't as good as the old one yeah yeah so 01:42:03.719 --> 01:42:10.520 anyway brutal we should all just go back to that awesome game 3D Movie Maker that 01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:14.880 thing was awesome you're too you're too young for that game but it was oh man it 01:42:12.280 --> 01:42:18.199 was awesome uh I wasn't actually I can't believe it's 5 minutes anyway I still 01:42:16.679 --> 01:42:22.840 don't think this is going to prevent you from capturing via HDMI using something 01:42:20.280 --> 01:42:27.800 like an a live gamer portable or something like that my understanding is 01:42:25.119 --> 01:42:32.960 Microsoft hasn't said that they're going to be enabling htcp whereas I believe 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:37.239 Sony is still holding to the hdcp enabled outputs on PS4 just like they 01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:40.440 did with PS3 so it's not like Sony is perfect in all of this by any stretch of 01:42:39.480 --> 01:42:45.560 the imagination all right all 01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:48.800 right now to build logs we keep going we have a few more topics yeah we do kind 01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:52.679 of have a few more CBS blocks online subscribers from watching their con 01:42:50.599 --> 01:42:58.800 content if they use Time Warner they're big is like totally not okay nope to to 01:42:56.920 --> 01:43:05.360 put it in sort of the most this is posted on the Forum by E chondo 01:43:01.480 --> 01:43:07.440 ho crap in response to time order 01:43:05.360 --> 01:43:11.800 cutting off access to CBS in a few major markets today CBS has retaliated Against 01:43:09.639 --> 01:43:17.239 Time Warner Internet subscribers by blocking access to popular CBS shows 01:43:14.040 --> 01:43:21.639 currently available to watch on cbs.com 01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:23.719 this my friends is an abuse of power and 01:43:21.639 --> 01:43:27.880 is nothing to do with the way that the internet should be working Internet 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:32.800 Service Pro I mean we're not even talking traffic shaping anymore we're 01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:38.119 talking about outright that's my competitor and I want people who support 01:43:35.159 --> 01:43:44.280 my competitor to be punished punishing your customers or anyone else's 01:43:41.040 --> 01:43:46.320 customers punishing the customer is 01:43:44.280 --> 01:43:50.000 it I'm just mad 01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:52.520 basically screwing over your customer in anyway screwing over anyone in any way 01:43:51.440 --> 01:44:00.719 should not be allowed and this is directly screwing over someone that is feeding you money it's not okay and 01:43:58.360 --> 01:44:04.719 just time order representatives are calling out cbs's move as an abuse of 01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:08.719 power specifically stating CBS has shown an utter lack of regard for consumers by 01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:13.599 blocking Time Warner Cables customers including our high-speed data only 01:44:10.800 --> 01:44:18.840 customers so not even a cable TV competitor from accessing the shows on 01:44:16.360 --> 01:44:22.280 their free website CPS enjoys the privilege of using public owned Airwaves 01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:27.840 to deliver their programming they should not be allowed to abuse that 01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:32.840 privilege it's getting real y'all everything with different isps is 01:44:30.280 --> 01:44:38.159 getting nuts right now I hope that they you know what I almost hope that they 01:44:35.280 --> 01:44:41.840 abuse it that they abuse their power as much as they possibly can get away with 01:44:40.400 --> 01:44:47.360 they get crushed so that they get crushed so that there is so that the 01:44:43.840 --> 01:44:50.400 government can't just kind of you know 01:44:47.360 --> 01:44:53.960 be like well it's not that bad yet we're 01:44:50.400 --> 01:44:57.280 just G just crush them you know what I 01:44:53.960 --> 01:45:00.239 hope that it gets to the point where a 01:44:57.280 --> 01:45:04.719 third of the subscribers in the US can't access a third of the other websites 01:45:02.599 --> 01:45:09.639 because it's not being served over someone's pipe or someone's butt hurt 01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:13.679 because someone else's Hub is you know has band with being using I hope that 01:45:11.679 --> 01:45:18.159 they get that petty about it so that this all just goes away that is what I 01:45:16.400 --> 01:45:23.679 hope because otherwise I don't think it'll go away no probably 01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:26.760 not h all right why don't we call that it 01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:32.119 let's do build logs of the week which conveniently I already have downloaded 01:45:29.400 --> 01:45:38.920 because we've already done this so I'm just going to have to find the download 01:45:34.719 --> 01:45:40.480 and we are starting with the aquad 01:45:38.920 --> 01:45:47.400 dreamer boom beautiful just like last 01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:51.480 time I was just gonna say it's kind of weird doing this again because usually 01:45:49.280 --> 01:45:56.400 it's it's it's first usually fairly first impressions for you yeah 01:45:53.599 --> 01:46:01.679 and I haven't seen my PowerPoint other than just stretching the image and going 01:45:57.760 --> 01:46:03.400 for gold so it's it looks it looks very 01:46:01.679 --> 01:46:08.480 nice um one thing that you brought up the first time is he's got four fans 01:46:05.599 --> 01:46:13.159 going in some crazy awesome wind tunnel yeah the four fans here it's like fan 01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:15.599 one fan two fan three fan four and it's 01:46:13.159 --> 01:46:19.239 just like all the air but it shouldn't be loud because those are fantex fans 01:46:17.400 --> 01:46:22.440 those are quite nice fans he's got he's got white white LED strips going all the 01:46:21.119 --> 01:46:27.639 way around the outside of his case which look great gge and he has awesome 01:46:25.320 --> 01:46:32.280 awesome sing on everything and a lot of nice custom spray painting I pain 01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:36.880 graphics card shouds painted as or Crossfire Bridge rather um you had 01:46:35.000 --> 01:46:40.239 brought up the first time around that it was supposed to originally be a water 01:46:38.400 --> 01:46:44.639 cooled build but kind of looks like it's underwater anyway it's a nice night shot 01:46:42.400 --> 01:46:47.800 yep it's it's hard to get nice night shots but it looks it looks great there 01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:53.199 he did a really really good job with this system all right speaking of knights 01:46:51.080 --> 01:46:57.000 this one's nuts these photos that we have here are in his basically it looks 01:46:55.280 --> 01:47:01.199 kind of like a pamphlet advertisement at the end these are not his build log in 01:46:59.320 --> 01:47:05.119 progress photos i' highly suggest that you check out all the Builds on the pill 01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:09.119 blog there is so much back sweat going into this pillow at this point that I 01:47:06.840 --> 01:47:15.320 think it's almost soaked all the way through it smells awful like here I 01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:20.560 don't want to smell it I don't want to smell it I want to talk about a 01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:24.440 Dragonite PC 01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:26.199 jeez wow okay Paul T has been on build 01:47:24.440 --> 01:47:30.719 logs of the week before he makes awesome incredible computers um I I wouldn't be 01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:38.080 surprised at all if he's selling this it looks even say he's the pton of Computer 01:47:35.280 --> 01:47:43.880 Builders oh my goodness let me just go ahead and open this up wow just like 01:47:40.639 --> 01:47:46.920 last time it's amazing it's a it's a 01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:49.119 Cosmos 2 the front is gorgeous the Sid's 01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:54.000 got a window that's gorgeous and custom and holy crap it gets better than that 01:47:52.320 --> 01:47:57.480 my problem with the Cosmos 2 is that it's big for no apparent reason you 01:47:56.080 --> 01:48:01.040 can't actually put that much stuff in it but it looks like he basically got it it 01:47:59.560 --> 01:48:05.040 so one thing that he's done if you notice right away is there's no I/O coming out of the back of the case the 01:48:03.560 --> 01:48:09.360 back of the case is on the the right hand picture so what he's done is 01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:13.880 rotated the motherboard 90° and custom formed the computer to work well with 01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:18.360 that so he's made an exhaust area on the back which can't see a ton of details on 01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:21.520 there but it has individual slanting down fins it's a dark night how much 01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:28.639 were you expecting to see oh my God hey oh why are you 01:48:25.639 --> 01:48:30.920 trolling Paul system um cuz I love it so 01:48:28.639 --> 01:48:35.800 hard that's I guess that's not a bad not a bad point yeah could be worse um yeah 01:48:34.040 --> 01:48:40.320 so he's done a ton of custom work for it if you want to see his like artist 01:48:37.800 --> 01:48:44.239 rendering prototype designs before he started building and his whole huge 01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:51.080 amount of pictures build log please check it out on the Forum yeah check out the build log section of the build logs 01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:54.679 Forum build logs of the week section of the build log forum 01:48:55.880 --> 01:49:02.239 okay so um this system has actually been done for a while I just have not been 01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:06.080 able to get wher to put it in the actual freaking build log section so he finally 01:49:04.239 --> 01:49:08.840 did so we're finally showcasing it this isn't necessarily something that's kind 01:49:07.360 --> 01:49:14.159 of along the lines of what we usually put on here yeah gaming rigs yeah not 01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:22.719 for gaming although with six PCI Express slots and 32 opteron course and looks 01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:26.760 like up to whatever 8 by 16 would be so 01:49:22.719 --> 01:49:29.480 so 8 * 10 is 80 and another five is 40 01:49:26.760 --> 01:49:33.599 so that's 100 probably what 156 gigs of memory or something stupid like that 01:49:31.599 --> 01:49:38.599 yeah about there that sounds about right yeah potentially so as long as the board 01:49:36.040 --> 01:49:43.639 actually supports it um like my SSD and my laptop isn't that big and we're 01:49:41.440 --> 01:49:49.360 talking RAM I I wonder if that board supports it 01:49:46.440 --> 01:49:51.960 um yeah so click next might should even support more than that because if you 01:49:50.520 --> 01:49:58.599 throw some register dims in there I think there are 16 G registered 01:49:54.679 --> 01:49:59.920 Dems sexy that' be cool Dem heat sinks 01:49:58.599 --> 01:50:08.000 that RAM yep that custom rack I was just that 01:50:04.159 --> 01:50:09.639 rack wow um so he he he commissioned 01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:12.920 this rack it's you can you can get custom design racks from I don't 01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:17.719 remember the guy's name I've heard they plastic surgeons that do 01:50:14.880 --> 01:50:22.480 that this guy does it with a luminum aluminum custom design racks that is 01:50:19.880 --> 01:50:28.400 some space aged stuff you got going on there armor rack armor you know maybe 01:50:24.880 --> 01:50:32.000 that explains chicks NVIDIA games 01:50:28.400 --> 01:50:34.320 right that's why their boobs are so big 01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:37.960 because they're armor they H right because they it's for plaing on the 01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:42.800 inside because they patted the bra because they have poor 01:50:39.760 --> 01:50:46.079 self-esteem then they had to wear armor 01:50:42.800 --> 01:50:46.079 then there's clothing over 01:50:47.800 --> 01:50:52.480 top solve that mystery 01:50:54.480 --> 01:51:03.000 what now ESRB 01:50:58.760 --> 01:51:03.000 anyways sorry we've done this a 01:51:03.119 --> 01:51:08.880 lot had to make it interesting somehow this is a freaking awesome build and I'm 01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:12.840 super stoked that wher did it and this is purely for folding as far as I know I 01:51:11.719 --> 01:51:18.320 don't think he does anything with this system other than fold and it gets some 01:51:15.159 --> 01:51:21.560 like monstrous number of I think it's 01:51:18.320 --> 01:51:22.599 350,000 PPI or pbd pbd I think it's 01:51:21.560 --> 01:51:29.679 called something ridiculous I mean wher's Far and Away the uh biggest contributor to the lus tech tips for 01:51:26.079 --> 01:51:31.520 unfolding team dude you're awesome and I 01:51:29.679 --> 01:51:36.079 think that pretty much wraps it up for the WAN Show this week thank you for 01:51:33.400 --> 01:51:40.360 tuning in or I don't know it's not live anymore so thanks for watching the 01:51:38.199 --> 01:51:48.320 archive thanks for watching the archive yo peace bye hopefully it worked this 01:51:44.280 --> 01:51:48.320 time yeah I know right