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welcome to the W show we're getting Technical and we're getting sweaty

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apparently cuz like if I gave you a bear hug right now like it would be gross you

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know it would be gross but I'm so used to it from sports that it's like it's only a little bit gross right I guess in

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the shower when you guys hug each other you're wet from the

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shower wow you know I never like a

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minute in I never I don't think for a minute

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in I never actually played a sport that involved um like neither did I like

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group showers neither did I oh I mean much to my much to my regret because

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guess yeah I did football you played

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football actually football didn't out of all no way how does football not in

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showers it was hockey football is all about like the bum slapping in the

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showers and stuff is my understanding everyone drove home sweaty everybody H

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like you pretty much never had locker rooms interesting cuz I didn't play

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school football right okay and we're in Canada right where football is like not

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not nearly as big all right so things that are things we have a great L show

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for you guys this week John karmac joins Ulus as CTO but remains working for ID

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software okay so it's he hasn't completely gone off his tree but he's uh

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he's evidently making a major bet on VR

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and Oculus in particular which has got to be really exciting for them

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especially after the tragedy recently where one of their co-founders was uh

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was killed in an accident so uh that's uh that's kind of a big deal uh lab

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grown Burger cost $300,000 tastes gross

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apparently um the jobs movie has been uh

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sort of critically blown up a little bit was who

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is is outspoken on everything and very interesting to listen to yeah yeah yeah

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exactly um has come out and said that a

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a very main particular scene in the movie just didn't happen at all and it's

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he's not too worried that it didn't happen because obviously certain okay you're telling them too much about it

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this is the pre thing okay

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okay really you've got oh you've got to be kidding me okay well I blame I blame

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diesel for this hit it add media file

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without further Ado it's August 9th 2013

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and I don't have my

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headphones yes the green machine is

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attached to my neck which will obviously contribute to the sweatiness our special

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guest today if you guys don't already know if you didn't see the YouTube

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announcement is the one and only Yosh from fractal Yos yes Yos well he works

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for a Swedish company but he's not but he's not Swedish no he's about his

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American I just found out he lives in Iowa yeah yeah you just found that out I

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had no idea he was I knew he was somewhere east of here that's not really

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saying a whole lot I KN you live in like that area it's

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it's over there well no I I knew I knew that he was on the continent of North

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America I knew he was south of the 49th parallel and I knew he was east of here

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these are all the things I knew uh at any rate Josh is one of our favorite

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industry Affiliates he's uh he's the

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former CEO and president and whatever he

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wants to call himself of biohazard computers which was a boutique uh system

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builder that actually did some really crazy stuff I mean when we talk about

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Boutique system Builders we're talking paint jobs we we're talking like water

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cooling we're talking like all kinds of cool yeah no Josh was not much crazier

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than that phase change all that kinds of awesome awesome awesome stuff so should

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we jump right into it what do you want to hit first we have so many great

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topics today we can jump um right into the top of the list if you want and talk

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about cellular companies in Canada did you put things in order this week a

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little bit cuz I'll be kind of impressed if you managed to do that it it it has a

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interesting flow where it mixes it up so if people want to see a range of stuff

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give them range of stuff cellular companies in Canada are crying foul

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about the Canadian government facilitating the entry of Verizon

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Wireless into Canada um now this is this

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is actually kind of funny the source for this one or at least where I first saw

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it was from the NC Forum so I guess I

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better give turx over there who I've actually had a number of exchanges with

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over the years he's got like 5,000 posts on there the uh credit for this one and

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I want you guys to watch this video it's not that long Canadians deserve a Level

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Playing Field fair for Canada this is the closest that publicly I've ever seen

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the main Telos here in Canada collaborate so B Rogers and Tellis are

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like this should give some idea how like

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sleeping together they all are because

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it didn't take long to get a nice schmexy looking little we website about

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how it's totally unfair to allow another wireless player in and I just I just

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want you guys to watch this I want to know if you can relate to this tell me

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if the Telos we're going to do a Twitter Blitz after this guys tell me if the

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Telos in your country are this frakin

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brutal hi Michelle kick us off here a

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giant us comp to come to Canada I

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thought will there be thousands of jobs lost think about it experts are saying

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most of their good jobs will stay South of the Border most of to their profits

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too then this us giant gets to use our

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existing infrastructure that took us 25 years to build and they don't contribute

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a scent so Canadian taxpayers will be effectively subsidizing the whole thing

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I believe communities like the montans of Canada should get the same technology

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that the big cities do that way my neighbors can be as productive and as

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plugged in as people in any other part of the country it makes me proud it's a

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very Canadian thing but now our government is allowing a giant us cell

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phone company to buy up small Canadian operators that cell phone companies like

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mine aren't allowed to buy since we can't bid they'll likely even get a huge

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discount on the price effectively at Canadian taxpayers expense but it gets

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better better for them even though this company is four times as big as all of

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Canada's cell phone companies combined they're basically getting a huge

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discount to enter Canada will they care about employment in Canada I think you

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know the answer that's not fair for canadi

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will this giant us company virtually ignore small communities like mine and

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focus on big cities it makes me angry

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that the government is selling us out you know we teach our kids to play fair

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that's about as Canadian as it gets so why is our government giving a giant us

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Corporation special treatment that's not real competition it doesn't sound fair

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for Canadians Ottawa should do something about the loopholes fast it doesn't just

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hurt me oh wow I can't even watch this anymore country holy crap I don't think

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I made it all the way through last time either cuz that thing is two minutes of

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the most inan driil I think I have ever

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seen in my life it's this big old Saab

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story about like Mega Corporation I'm

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sorry there Verizon Wireless is only four times your size and you're kind of

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sitting here going boohoo poor

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me I mean you

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C certain things that I like in there are just things that are completely blatantly wrong where they're like small

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communities should be able to have all the technology that big communities have my grandpa lives in near Winnipeg rural

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Farmland area cannot get anything other

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than like dead slow dialup and there goes my phone again um and like it sucks

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he doesn't want it to be that slow he's an older guy and won't use the internet

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that much but when it takes him a few minutes to load a basic web page and

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when I can't show him anything that we make because on YouTube and that's too

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much for dialup it's kind of messed up

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so that's just blatantly wrong and then the the whole fair play thing fair for

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Canadians it's already not fair for Canadians we pay way too much it's it's

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fair for you jerk it's not fair for us I

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mean the thing that bothers me about this is all you need to know about

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someone's business model and someone's profitability you can you can know

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everything you need to know about a company without even looking at a public

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company's Financial if the local sports arena is called the

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Rogers Arena then Rogers had way too

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much money left on their balance sheet knows they're going to have way too much

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money left on their balance sheet for the foreseeable future and needs a major

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spend that they can just kind of well justify somehow because naming Sports

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Arenas is a terrible terrible terrible Roi and is basically just a way to burn

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money so that it kind of goes away quietly um that should be all you need

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to know about how much of that money could have been spent on the

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infrastructure that would bring oh I don't know highp speed higher speed

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internet connections better cell phone reception more Advanced Technologies

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whatever else the case may be or improving customer service which quite

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frankly out of all of them the ones I've had the best experience with at least on

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the cell phone side has been Bell and Rogers tell us is absolutely terrible

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and speaking to former tus employees the amount of bureaucracy and Bs that goes

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on there do you remember the story I told you the screwdriver Story the screwdriver Story how many people does

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it take to put a piece of RAM in a server at tell us you said I think it

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was four right it was I believe it was three three okay one one well it was the

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one guy who wanted it done who was who was my buddy and then it was someone to

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open the case yeah someone to install the RAM and then was it I thought I

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thought it was one person to slide it out one person to open it one person to put the RAM in one person to CL close it

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one person to close it no no no that was me joking about it but the no the third

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guy had to supervise oh yeah yeah yeah yes so the third guy was a supervisor

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and I'm sitting here going you know what boo Fring who you don't have enough

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money maybe stop wasting it on things like that so let's go to the Twitter

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boards and let you guys uh give us your take on the

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whole how bad would you feel for your

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incumbent Telos if your government basically stepped in and said well hold

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on a second let's try to actually improve the quality of Serv whether the

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Improvement in quality of service is for urban areas and I do understand their

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point where yeah Verizon's going to come in and they're going to go after the

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biggest whack load of customers of course but you know what you guys what

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you could do is you could spend some of the money that you have from your

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current customers because you know what's coming upgrading your infrastructure and accessing the

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customers Verizon can't touch for now

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make it hard for them don't make a whiny

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video be aggressive give us the wireless

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rates we know that you can to clear them

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to clear some things up the auction that they're talking about the unfairness

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that they're talking about is for the 700 MHz Spectrum um new entrance so say

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Verizon are able to bid for two of the four blocks of the new Spectrum they're

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like allowed to bid for two of them and incumbents or current ones are only

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allowed to bid for one each each each group that's already here is only

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allowed to bid on One Verizon would be allowed to bid on two that's what

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they're so mad about and and there and there and their butt hurt because

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they're not allowed to bid because

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that's anti-competitive that we're not allowed to bid what about all the little

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guys that you guys drove under by overbidding for any existing spectrum

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that has been up for auction over the last however many decades it's been

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pretty much impossible it's been impossible for anyone else to get

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involved unless it's mandated by law such as that local cable company Delta

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cable where Shaw is not allowed in that municipality for whatever reason I'm not

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what it is but the reality of it is these are the same things you guys are

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all complainy pants about that you have been doing to other companies for all of

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these years so there you go that's what I have to

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say about it all right Twitter boards been on holiday for a week with

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no phone or Internet hey speaking of things that Telos need to get into the

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uh whatever Century we're in about the fact that you being on holiday why is

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this all glitching out that's kind of weird screen region let's try that again again add screen region uh roaming

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charges if that's not a you know archaic

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thing yeah oh like if that's not a bunch of like

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skevy uh Executives sitting around a

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collaborating and colluding to keep rates as high as they possibly can I

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don't know what is um JK okay you're going to have to message us again when

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Josh is actually on our government does have a fiber initiative which all line

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providers have to be included in New Zealand and it's pushing us

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forward I got no problem with government mandated everyone gets to be involved

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yeah it's pretty much like in the UK all the infrastructure is based on BT they

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own all the lines and dictate everything and that's exactly how it is here the

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guys who own the lines just call the shots and hopefully uh you know

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hopefully the move to wireless Spectrum where instead of it just being like oh

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well you know you collaborated 100 years ago to build these phone lines which has

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absolutely nothing to do with how the world works today therefore you own all

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of it and we can't do anything with wireless at least it can be controlled

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somewhat moving forward and there will be a balancing act I mean it's not like

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if Verizon comes in here and steals all the business they won't which they can't

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because they don't even own enough Spectrum to do it in the first place and it's not like the government's going to

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be like yeah you guys are never allowed to bid on Spectrum ever again it's just

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going to it's going to be Balancing Act in the future and they don't want it no

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they don't want that and I just and I guess the thing that bothers me most

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about it is the three of them are like getting in together to band up about it

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because Verizon might not come in and play their game what I don't like is

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that it's not fair for Canadians it's not fair for Canadians and they're

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saying they're going to take a massive amount of the jobs they will take some

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of the jobs but I guarantee you technicians are still going to need to

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be up here and if technicians still need to be up here offices still need to be

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up here yes there will be jobs up here you're not going to be able to Service

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Canada without employing any Canadians so that's actually not possible for an

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IP anyway so yeah Brad seems to have

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uh the same sort of wow this is kind of weird okay there we go the same sort of

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negative feelings about Australia's Telos Australia does have similar

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challenges to Canada large land mass

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small sort of dense population centers

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um but it still could be better I would be very happy there's no good data plans

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here top speeds are 1 megabit yep bring

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on the competition the Canadian Telos need to man up

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indeed August 9 way to go you you did it

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again and I'm in the mar I say boohoo and I'm in the maritimes

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indeed you're you're brutal dude okay I know this is safe to click on you guys

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are you guys may actually like love this here hold on I'm gonna see if I can find

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one there you go so one of our viewers has acquired a Pikachu uh onesie so go

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ahead and burn him on that as much as you want that's awesome but I think it's

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awesome do you think newer fx8350 is will be worse overclockers now that the

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best chips are being badged as 959s that is actually a very good question we

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should probably talk about that later you want to throw that on the dock while I continue the splitz sound card for

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hd558 anything from ASUS's Zonar line would be a great option you don't

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necessarily need one with a beefy amp because that is not a high impedance

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pair of headphones perhaps they should pull their fingers

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out of their Collective butts I think is the word you were looking for instead of

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complaining like spoiled kids yes indeed

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what are my opinions on the new LG G2 I don't know I asked for an eval unit to

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check out and sort of nothing ever happened so I don't really have much of an opinion I'm looking for a beast card

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to hang any game 780 hard to go wrong

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with 780 however uh one of our topics later on is the rumor that am's Hawaii

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series gpus may be coming soon so stay

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tuned for that uh was that an aperture science water bottle I saw you drinking

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from yes indeed it was hydrogen monoxide

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containment unit I think is the terminology you we're looking for not

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water bottle so there you

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go let's see if we've got anything more little bit more on the Twitter Blitz 4K

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content needs at least 20 megabit per second down I'm all for more competition

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help us get closer to the awesome I want indeed someone says uh refresh xplit and

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what is that blue/green light on the Vengeance box behind

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slick I got no

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idea yeah I don't know all right um

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4570s versus 8350 those are very

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different chips um the 4570s is super

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power efficient and the fx8350 is anything but super not yeah like super

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like power like just super power man like

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like pedal to the metal and efficiency to the winds so I guess decide what you

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want and then bu that what do you think of deleting the chips I think it's kind

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of risky um cool though seriously America has this stuff too Comcast

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pretty much has its own region while Verizon doesn't come into my region it's

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that whole territorial Monopoly things you know what I would love to

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see guys from the states coming up to Canada and sort of pooping all over the

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collusion that's going on here and I'd love to see guys from Canada go down to

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the States and poop all over the collusion there would absolutely love to

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see it because it's needed and I think eventually they're all going to just

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collude with all of each other but at least initially we might see some

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improvements which will maybe get us a little bit caught up in terms of them

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fighting for any amount of time will probably help at least a little bit

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you'll at least be able to sign up for like some kind of ridiculous deal and

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you can try and hold on to in grandfather in Forever

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yes that is the secret I mean went

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honestly okay I'm putting on my uh my my old NCIX hat for a bit when new EG

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launched in Canada like we were pooping

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bricks like leading up to that launch every every day was another

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conversation about sort of you know what are they going to do to to to to to

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address sort of the differences in the Canadian Market because we knew things

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they didn't in fact in fact NC still knows a whole lot of things I can look

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at new eggs offering and I can go yeah they clearly haven't figured this out

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yet about the way business Works in Canada and uh anyway we were we were

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pooping bricks and that was scary and

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when when new egg launched in Canada NCI

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countered with one of the most aggressive sales in its history as a

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company and customers don't always understand how much it costs to put on a

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sale cuz it wasn't Black Friday it wasn't Boxing Day there weren't

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manufacturer rebate that we were able to leverage it was

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just okay well here's all of our money

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just uh here you go customers we I guess we don't need this

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anymore and uh and then new new eggs a

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grand opening sale was pathetic it was like some outdated Phenom was like I

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remember yours the Highlight I took some of that ncx money yeah I bet that was a

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crazy sale I took a lot I think I built two computers for other people out of

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that sale and took some stuff for myself yeah it was not even kidding oh it was

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like bat crap crazy um so I don't remember where I was going with that but

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uh yeah why don't we move on to our next

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topic shall we what do you think we should do next maybe uh maybe a topic

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little while sure uh I like that screen

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one if you want to talk to because we should be getting Josh on here soon yeah

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let's get Josh going soon where is the screen one Amazon working on paper white

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oh okay that's your topic so you better uh on screen you better cover that one

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all right so Amazon's working on a new screen technology this is an article

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from quartz.com qz.com go ahead so

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basically they're going to be putting LEDs horizontally along the panel and

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then it'll bounce light along the whole

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what do they call it a na Nano imprinted light guide it'll bounce it all the way

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across and that will make the light hit the screen and then reflect out towards

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you instead of the light shining directly at you it'll be reflection

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which is more realistic when looking at paper books and it's supposed to be a

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huge Improvement make it a lot better experience for the user much less ey

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strain when you're reading for a long period of time and just yeah it's very

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interesting technology no one else has done it and they're not going to

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compromise on things like color depth and uh resolution or anything like that

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so this is so we're still using a traditional LCD panel actually this is

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something that a lot of people get confused about should I buy an LCD or an

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LED they're the same thing as the back lighting that changes a liquid crystal

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display is is available on a wide

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variety of different forms and it's the most common flat panel display type

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anything from your old calculator us as an LCD display it's monochrome it has no

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backlight backlight about to talk about that in a moment anything up to even

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sort of even the LCDs you might find in a rear projection TV a while ago back

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when the larger LCD panels were too expensive to manufacture so they would

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make small ones and then blow a massive backlight through them to project onto a

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screen or something like an LCD panel that you might find at your typical

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computer which would typically have cold cathode lights behind it fluorescent

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lighting and now has moved to LED so the LCD panel itself is an image that

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doesn't inherently emit any light that's where OLED is different because it emits

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its own light you have to put some kind of a light source behind it so in this

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way they're not actually putting it necessarily it's they can use that same

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LCD panel Tech to to reflect light instead of shine light out from behind

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it so so it's it's supposed to make it a much better experience it's called light

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guide they're called well the the technolog is called light guide their screen is going to be called paper white

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and Amazon has recently uh acquired a

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like kind of a a company that's working on tablets so people are thinking that

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instead of just making e-readers Amazon is going to take this Tech and make a

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tablet and there's a lot behind this and it's in this um in this quartz web page

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which will be on the doc which we will upload with the live stream later on

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fascinating so Amazon is realizing that e-readers have gone down I think it's

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like 12% in the past little while it's so dead like oh come on so so Amazon is

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trying to respond to that by making a tablet which has gone up I think it's

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like 78% in the last year or something like that oh yeah it's ludicrous I was

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looking at did uh did diesel send the same article that was looking at I think

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smartphone shipments and tablet shipments oh it's ridiculous yeah it's

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like you're kind of looking at the numbers going like like how many how

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many hundreds of millions of them does everyone not have one yet at this point

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then um but there you go evidently not

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um this actually ties into one of our other news articles which is maybe the

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last one we'll do before we get Josh to join us um and that is the rumor that

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Amazon is working on a game console so

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an Android based game console I don't this isn't in the dock I don't know if you know about this not in the dock at

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all yeah I know whatever man um so it's going to be so it would go head-to-head

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with something like the Ouya which I think everyone's kind of in agreement on

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was kind of a failure um the like things

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have changed since it got released and they've made improvements but it's still

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and this is the danger of kickstarting something based on specs that are

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current and then how long it takes to really bring a product to Market I mean

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something like NVIDIA Shield if NVIDIA were to wait like if they had

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two business units internally Tegra and

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shield and shield wasn't allowed to touch Tegra technology until it was

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released publicly Shield would be months

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away yeah because it takes so long to

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bring an actual finished product to Market that's why someone like Ouya

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never stood a chance because they're going to be working with off-the-shelf

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components rather than working with what's coming next um so Ouya is sort of

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a bad example cuz I think it just never really stood a chance but with someone

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with the clout of Amazon banking on this

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whole Android console thing with someone with the clout of NVIDIA banking on this

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whole Android console concept thing with Shield which by the way our Shield is

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coming coming on the way I haven't seen tracking yet but it's like confir the

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way yeah this is this is interesting because more game developers are going

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to come back on this because there's Shield people are going to want to

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making games for Android because of shield and then when Amazon steps behind

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something like this people are going to be want to making want to be making Android games because of Amazon's

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console so one of the problems with Ura is everyone went emulators and then kind

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of stopped because everyone just wanted emulators now people are going to be

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actually interested in developing games for this platform which is really

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important and of course for those of you who are going to sort of attack him

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immediately for this of course developers were already interested in Android games but they were interested

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in touch Android games that were meant to be played on ablet and a phone now

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Android is moving forward to what someone like NVIDIA has been trying to

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get towards since the first Tegra which

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is we want console graphics on this thing because we ultimately and like

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this is the scare this is the scariest part of it is like how how upset is

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NVIDIA that AMD has every design win in the nextg console maybe not at all cuz

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they're going for because the nextg console is going to be a 10-year device

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you look at how quickly NVIDIA is ramping up the power or not just NVIDIA

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I mean I'm I'm harping on NVIDIA because they're kind of in the thick of all this

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but you look at how quickly the GPU power on these mobile devices is ramping

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up we could be looking at another few years because we've already pretty much

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caught up with Tegra 4 we've caught up to current gen console few more years

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especially with yearly iterations we could have caught up to the next gen

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consoles and with a device that doesn't have to have a connect play into it and

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doesn't have to hook up to your TV and doesn't have to do whatever you don't

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care about and maybe doesn't have the same DRM restrictions that you can rude

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and you can really get into and you'll probably be able to record more easily

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and all this other kind of stuff is the console dead that's actually a really

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interesting statement and possible but we won't know for years but we won't

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know for a few years maybe maybe guys like Microsoft are too hard to take down

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I don't know mof are pretty big they're pretty

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big but they're falling pretty hard pretty fast maybe that's why Microsoft

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is banking on things that aren't necessarily gaming man maybe that's it

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football all this other kind stuff TV convince me Android can't handle things

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that aren't gaming is Seuss Cube anyone I I'm not fighting this battle you know

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uh Google Chromecast anyone like a gen

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five of that thing this going be incredible it's already incredible with

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a Tegra a in it that like I don't know

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anyway good good luck good luck PS P4 good luck Xbox one was nice knowing you

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um why don't we go ahead and fire upcs here and see if Josh fractal has managed

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to uh manage to get his headset figured

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out did you manage to do a test call with him or oh boy I was I was zoned out

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working on the dock when he first got it installed and then I went to invite him

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and he had he had left at that point that was my bad all right you know what

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we should just like take a uh oh ah Josh fractal online all right well here why

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don't I let you kind of talk about that while I do a Twitter Blitz here and sure

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of course they're on the same computer so that uhy oh wow wow shots shots fired

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already this this this guy is hard to uh

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it's kind of hard to deal with having him on our live stream here see if I can

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uh see if I can get this to actually work I'm not that impressed with xsplit

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today I don't know what's uh I don't know what's going on here but this is

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this is some uh this is some serious business nonsense that is making my

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difficult here so we're going to go ahead and recapture that screen region

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that I've already captured a couple times and apparently oh that's weird

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Razer comms does not get picked up by

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xplit which actually makes

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sense because a game streamer who's

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using comms for voice communication wouldn't want their bloody xplit or

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their uh their com stuff all over the place all right well at any rate

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um let's go ahead and fire this fire

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this baby up all right Josh so just click the

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headset button in the top leftand corner there you go yo Josh how it goes bro oh

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it's going how you doing pretty good I

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noticed that you uh jacked up my style with your uh your guest picture

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here and Josh is listening to the stream

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not to razor com so he needs to go ahead and turn off his stream so he can talk

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to us already did

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man so you think I jacked your style you

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hardcore jacked my style I was the first one to do a picture like this obviously

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yeah except for Steve Jobs yeah except well except for that guy but I mean what

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did he ever do that was he probably wasn't the first one to do it

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anyway well yeah you never know but I mean he made it popular and sexy I mean

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and he probably trademarked it so we're both going to get sued yeah yeah I

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actually did worry about that like I wondered if it was okay for me to take a

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picture of myself being all like glasses and maybe like the particular finger

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orientation made it a curve design that they could patent yeah I think your

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pinch zooming your chin in that one I'm not quite sure

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though so how are you how's uh how's

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fractal how's business how's the PC industry and how is it um do you cry

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yourself to sleep at night because you don't still run your own company

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biohazard I think it was called oh man we're starting Quick aren't we um first

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of all I guess I'd like to be the cool one and say happy birthday to fatal flux

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they've been posting over there in the comments so can you guys give him a shout out for me real quick shout out

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happy birthday see there we go um no

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00:31:43,159 --> 00:31:49,720
work work has been good work has been busy uh you know obviously got back from

444
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:56,159
computex where we partied it out for a little while um I mean worked very hard

445
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,240
and then you know we got uh oh man it's

446
00:31:56,159 --> 00:32:01,720
just if it's not one thing it's another but it's going good it's good it's good

447
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,760
yeah you guys have done some land present re presents recently oh so for

448
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:12,679
those of you who don't know this is Josh from fractal design formerly of

449
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:15,080
biohazard computers he is an Enthusiast

450
00:32:12,679 --> 00:32:21,159
at heart this guy has done more hardcore stuff with PCS than I have done that is

451
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:25,720
for certain and he works as the what's your title like um lap dog to the

452
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,880
president of fractal or something like that North America well it was going to

453
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:34,320
just taller than lonus but that didn't really narrow it down at all I mean

454
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:38,880
that's a pretty broad category so yeah VP of marketing for North

455
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:43,440
America that that would be my official title all right so do you want to talk

456
00:32:41,639 --> 00:32:47,320
fractal stuff first or do you want to just kind of jump into some of the uh I

457
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:51,360
know there was that one topic that you were chomping at the bit to talk to us

458
00:32:49,399 --> 00:32:56,159
about do you want to get right into that yeah it just depends do you have a 7-second

459
00:32:53,279 --> 00:33:02,960
delay you might want that wait what 7c DeLay So that you can

460
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,919
bleep out swear words geez come on oh

461
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:10,919
man no let's let's just let's just let's just do this thing all right so this I I

462
00:33:08,919 --> 00:33:15,200
I sent this to Josh and I got back an email at like what is that like 4 in the

463
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:21,480
morning your time yeah it was about 4 in the morning yeah which was uh yeah oh

464
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:23,559
that's perfect sorry I'm so excited now

465
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:29,720
slick wasn't cced on the email so here we go there's an indie go go on that is

466
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:33,760
have must be the stupidest thing that I've ever seen on the internet this

467
00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:38,279
video thumbnail right here should probably tell you pretty much everything

468
00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:44,600
you need to know about this Indiegogo which is basically like two nerds and

469
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:49,679
guys you know no disrespect or anything but you're two nerds sitting on chairs

470
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:53,799
in the middle of a yard and I'm just going to skim through a little bit of

471
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:58,519
this Indiegogo and then we are just going to blast this thing between me

472
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:05,080
Josh and slick I don't think they're going to have any anus

473
00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:07,200
left careful wording

474
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:14,359
man let me see if I have this written down right you guys have a 3.8 GHz

475
00:34:10,359 --> 00:34:18,280
overclocked 6 core i7 processor 6 GB

476
00:34:14,359 --> 00:34:20,480
video card 32 GB of RAM all booting from

477
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:25,520
a solid state drive I mean this would normally retail from about 34,000 if you

478
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:29,359
could even find it but you if you could find it oh man I got I'm starting early

479
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,760
here originally we were going to go cheaper than that some of the big

480
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:38,320
manufacturers are hard to deal with ,000 I'm fting back the rage right now the

481
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:41,119
machine we wanted to build so don't you think this could lead to awkward

482
00:34:39,879 --> 00:34:47,240
conversations with Big Industry producers I mean you're undercutting their prices quite a bit awkward

483
00:34:44,919 --> 00:34:51,679
conversations like how overpriced their computers are we're okay with that

484
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:54,800
conversation right well then I'm just trying to make sure you guys aren't

485
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,880
getting in over your head I mean there's a lot of big dogs out there I think

486
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:02,960
we've made our purpose clear right if this project gets off the

487
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:07,760
ground then we've essentially declared war on all companies that make gaming

488
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:12,400
computers and we're okay with that unlike most wars where it's a win lose

489
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:16,320
we're totally okay with either outcome on one hand we make super awesome

490
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:20,920
computers specifically for Gamers on the other hand we force the big comp to BR

491
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:24,920
pric down anyway so basically the summary guys is that these guys have an

492
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:29,960
Indiegogo actually here I'm going to go back to the Indiegogo so they've

493
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:32,200
actually got 4,000 contributors they're

494
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:36,359
basically saying that no no no they they have $4,000 $4,000 worth of

495
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:40,560
contributions they have 12 contributors so there's a comparison Matrix down here

496
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,560
that has alien wear and what they charge for a system and build it yourself and

497
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:51,839
what it costs and their innovision gaming which has a 3970x 32 gigs of RAM

498
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:53,640
a 7990 a 512 gig SSD and a final price

499
00:35:51,839 --> 00:36:01,240
of $11,000 I don't know if they're deluded

500
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,920
or if they're just scammers one thing

501
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:07,240
I've wondered is I'm giving them as much insane degree of benefit of the doubt

502
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:12,079
that I can possibly imagine is that they have found someone online that is

503
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:16,280
claiming to be a distributor of these things and is claiming if you buy enough

504
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:20,079
and pay us up front we will give you all of this for this price so they decided

505
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:24,319
to make an Indiegogo planning to do it without enough research figure out that

506
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:31,440
this person is this camera tell me Josh as a a boutique gaming system builder

507
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,240
who you know really you know wasn't well

508
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,640
okay okay two things two things tell me this

509
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:44,560
Josh how much margin did you make selling gaming

510
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:46,000
PCs oh hell like 4,000% 4,000% because I

511
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:53,079
touched it I mean I had a picture of me on the side of it which that I mean right there that's just a bonus you know

512
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,880
it's a work of art but yeah the thing is

513
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:59,400
like you had to figure you know I was definitely a cayen boutique so our stuff

514
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:06,839
was you know very expensive our average box was like 8 to 12K so we had sizable

515
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:09,000
sizable margin and we were still at

516
00:37:06,839 --> 00:37:13,119
like 30 40% like above Hardware but you also got

517
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:17,480
to realize when you're going into that level of Boutique the amount of work that goes into your overclocking at your

518
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:23,040
stress testing it it's like that's you know the labor comes into it yes so and

519
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:28,319
like so hold on I'm not talking gross margins I want to hear net margins after

520
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:33,119
you pay yourself labor which probably isn't for that great of a

521
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,880
salary oh I obviously it's worth so much more that's why I moved on to modeling

522
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:42,200
but you know after that dried up I came back to Tech you know so I would say you

523
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:46,680
know at the end of the day the problem was too is you know I I own the company

524
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:52,960
so I sted myself right so I was probably maybe between 10 and 15% 10 and 15%

525
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:57,880
sounds about right which is not big margin and that's a boutique so to put

526
00:37:55,319 --> 00:38:01,960
that in perspective someone like an NC might be making about half of that so

527
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:06,880
for those of you watching right now who think there's like massive margin in

528
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:11,720
gaming computers there is but it isn't at the retailer level it isn't at the

529
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:17,359
distributor level and it's not at the system builder level it is at the

530
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:20,079
manufacturing level guys like ASUS guys

531
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:23,160
like Intel these are public companies all you have to do is look at their

532
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:30,240
financials you know how much they're making on it that means that if

533
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:32,480
something costs $1,000 to end user and

534
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:35,680
we know that the distributor price for it is you know

535
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:42,280
$950 the the retailer and the distributor didn't make that much on it

536
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:46,520
so Josh tell me this when you were a boutique Builder building systems that

537
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:52,640
might have cost thousands of dollars if you could even find them um how much did

538
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:56,800
it cost you to buy an extreme Edition uh let's see here uh it was

539
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:01,520
pretty straightforward because Intel locks their price pricing it per thousand unit orders right I mean it's

540
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,920
like the way that breaks down is like when a you know extreme Edition came out

541
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:10,160
back then you know they like thousand bucks and it's like you know

542
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:12,920
999 99 yeah and it was like that's per

543
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:16,760
thousand CPUs and I think people have this unrealistic view of you know how

544
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:21,520
much business a lot of system Builders are doing it's like a huge Boutique

545
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:24,800
system builder maybe doing like between

546
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,280
two and 400 systems a month you know and

547
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:31,640
it always killed me it's like people think you're getting like all this hard for dirt cheap and we'd always get these

548
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:34,560
things like uh I want an extreme Edition I want this I want that and I want this

549
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:40,359
but I want it for like half a retail because I know you guys get it cheap I'm like you know more than I do man because

550
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:44,359
certainly not getting it cheap and that's why we went that route is like to

551
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:48,240
make any margin on it you know you had to put some sort of spin on it you had

552
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:52,200
to do like overclocking liquid cooling stuff like that that people weren't

553
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:55,800
doing and you know people wonder oh how come there's always bloat wear and

554
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:59,240
crapware on PCS uh that's where Dell and HP and the big guys made all the money

555
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:05,640
that was all subsidized like they were selling half the time the hardware nearly at a loss making up the money on

556
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:10,640
like you know saman kicking them 20 bucks perst or shipping or the other

557
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:14,599
little things that they could do that really helped that or you know even

558
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:18,880
things like office trials that ship on your computer as enthusiasts we kind of

559
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,960
look at that and we go as if I'm going to activate it but someone like my

560
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:27,359
mother might actually do that and that's where the margin on that PC through an

561
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:31,480
affiliate code of all things like even someone like Acer has to make money

562
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:36,560
through like an affiliate program for Microsoft Office on the computer that

563
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,680
they shipped you yeah well it just it

564
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:44,240
drives me nuts that you're like so these guys are obviously Bladen idiots I mean

565
00:40:42,319 --> 00:40:47,079
it's either so first of all let let's just start poking holes in this I don't

566
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:52,079
even know where to start because there's so much crap it's insane like okay first

567
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:56,440
of all you know we found if we buy in bulk we save gee that's a unique

568
00:40:54,359 --> 00:40:59,960
business model that I don't know Walmart and everybody else had since the

569
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:04,119
beginning of time yeah I bet Newegg Newegg never figured that out about

570
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:08,319
buying in bulk and getting processors for cheaper yeah exactly it's like oh

571
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:13,040
I'm glad you guys cracked this one and no one else has been able to figure it out and then second of all it's like we

572
00:41:11,319 --> 00:41:16,520
started looking we got these contacts in the industry it's like oh that inside

573
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:20,000
track that you developed after a week and a half on CS list you know I don't

574
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:24,480
know exactly where they think they got all this information and then the other

575
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:27,400
thing is it's like if we can crowdfund this if we can all order these

576
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:32,720
motherboards and these video cards it's like okay what motherboard am I getting

577
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:38,240
you know it's like you know okay what chipset what manufacturer I think that's

578
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:42,839
the least of the holes in this it's a big hole though but yeah I agree yeah

579
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,560
like what is it so okay like another reason why you know any system builder

580
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:51,680
has to make margin on it's like who's going to support the damn thing you know

581
00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:56,240
it looks to me I'm G to give them the benefit of the bo the benefit of the

582
00:41:53,520 --> 00:42:02,160
doubt I think that they're not scammers I think that they're

583
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:04,400
and what they think is that if they get

584
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:10,800
because look they're asking for a half a million doll goal and their campaign

585
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:14,520
only receive funds receives funds if they reach it by the deadline so it's

586
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:18,000
not one of those blatant scam ones where they're like yeah we're going to keep

587
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:24,200
the money regardless so I think that they naively think that if they manag to

588
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:29,359
put together 500 systems as a single order

589
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:36,319
that they'll be able to go to someone like Intel or EVGA or ASUS or whoever

590
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,839
else and say hey we're Big Shots drop

591
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:43,720
your pants in terms of pricing for us and uh you know $1,000 is our budget and

592
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:47,960
that's a lot of money because we're 15 and or however old they are and we think

593
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:53,319
whatever they think that $1,000 is a lot of money um and they they think that

594
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,960
they can achieve it that way and it's just not going to work Josh has built systems for people on an insane level

595
00:42:56,599 --> 00:43:02,160
you've built system for people I've built systems for people none of us made

596
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:06,400
a ton of money off it the first thing that I say anytime someone posts on the

597
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:11,319
Forum that their plan is to start a business selling systems is do it for

598
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:14,720
fun it better be a side job and it better be entertaining yes I mean you

599
00:43:13,319 --> 00:43:19,240
know the the overhead in it is ridiculous I mean aside from you know

600
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:23,520
just the standard business model it's like keeping up with high-end Hardware I

601
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:28,480
mean you know working in front of the curve is you know ridiculously time

602
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,960
consuming and yeah you know by the time like you know the extreme Edition drops

603
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,520
if you're one of the high-end guys it's like you're already working on the next

604
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:39,240
thing you know it's like by the time it actually comes to Market you're like okay that's old and you know I have to

605
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:44,640
agree I don't think these guys are scammers merely because a scam would be

606
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:49,079
put together a lot better than this I mean this is like so bad it's got to be

607
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:52,760
you know blatantly real like they genuinely think that they've stumbled

608
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:58,240
across something and that they're going to be able to help people out it's like

609
00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:00,960
you know a scam would be more believable

610
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:05,000
I think that's how a scam works you know I I wonder about the four people who

611
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:09,319
have evidently bought it and they've got a lot of perks at different levels that

612
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:17,480
I'm also looking at going like are you guys bloody insane $25 for 256 gig USB

613
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:20,079
drive 250 bucks for $79.90 that was the

614
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:23,520
main one that got me yeah it's like okay on what planet when are you planning to

615
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:27,960
ship these systems like if they're planning to ship the system in 2016 and

616
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:32,119
they're just going to like eBay okay they're planning to ship them in October

617
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:37,160
but if the plan was to like troll eBay 2 years from now and dig up like you know

618
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:40,640
old extreme editions and stuff this might be doable well here's the thing if

619
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:45,480
they got all the parts right now two guys it would take them till October to build 500 system I mean do they ever

620
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:50,440
think about that it's like oh we're going to have to hire some people to build all these by October from watching

621
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,319
the video I think it's only the dude on the right who's building all of them

622
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:59,160
actually oh yeah the other gu the brains behind it there we go that's a solid

623
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:01,359
that's a solid 500 systems I can tell

624
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:08,440
you right now based on sort of an industry standard 2 to 3% defective rate

625
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:11,760
on any component within the first month they are going to get back so it

626
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:15,200
compounds right because you're building a system so let's say a system has eight

627
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:21,119
components in it for the sake of argument that means that the chances of

628
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:22,720
a system going defective within 30 days

629
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,800
unless they're burning them in I mean what about the power that it's going to

630
00:45:24,359 --> 00:45:30,040
consume to burn in all these systems they're building 500 systems at the same

631
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:37,040
time anyway the uh the chance that one of them will be defective within 30 days

632
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:39,119
is probably at least 3 to 5% if they're

633
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:43,720
lucky as an inexperienced Builder never mind the ones that get damaged in

634
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:46,400
shipping tell me Josh how much do rmas

635
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:49,480
cost you as a system builder oh yeah well that's the thing you know it's

636
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:53,559
ridiculously expensive because say you sell the whole system you know the first

637
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,160
thing is it's like I think my video card di okay we'll send you new video card I

638
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:01,960
don't know how to fix it they want to send the whole system back so you know

639
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,040
assuming you can Sid step that it's the

640
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:08,280
other thing is if they're working with highend Hardware we had our largest failure rates on Enthusiast class

641
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:11,720
Hardware of course you because it's it's pushed so high you know and you would

642
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:15,400
think which they're probably thinking from a general mindset like oh this

643
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,359
video card it costs three times as much as a mainstream one it's going to be

644
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,839
perfect it's like no it's probably gonna be flaky you know and and if you're

645
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:27,000
going to take all these you're going to overclock them okay add to that that's the other thing you know you're looking

646
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:30,079
at your failure rate I assume these guys are going to get in try and overclock

647
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:33,800
because they'll read on that on some Forum somewhere hey I can do that all

648
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,760
you do is push the voltage as high as it goes and then just crank up the multiply

649
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,800
yeah ah yeah yeah I could rage on this

650
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:50,040
all night but you know if you want to move on I totally understand I just saw it and I was like really really this is

651
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:55,920
and the scariest thing is that they've got backers already like oh I know is it

652
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:59,760
like their mom's I'm hoping so I'm hoping so could be considering the money

653
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:03,720
will get back if they don't get it funded it definitely could be another

654
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:06,640
thing is I think okay the guy on the right I watched the video I didn't pay

655
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:11,200
way too much attention but the guy on the right I believe is the technical guy and the guy on the left I believe is the

656
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:15,079
business guy the guy on the left should be fired unfortunately the guy on the

657
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:19,640
left is going to have a really hard time finding a job if anyone Googles this

658
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,520
because his name is attached all over it and the guy on the right is going to

659
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:28,079
have a really time hard time finding a job because I believe his name is attached to this as well so if they try

660
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:32,520
to look for a job in 22 days from now when this fails it's going to be rough

661
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,400
if anyone Googles their names I think it I think you're giving them too much

662
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:42,079
credit for the size and momentum of this project I don't think anyone will ever

663
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:44,280
find it my thing is I thought it was I

664
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:49,359
it was better without the video like I watched the video and it got worse like

665
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:53,760
oh my God I see what you're trying to do but oh just fail left and right I should

666
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:57,839
tell them if they want to do a better pitch video next time they should reach

667
00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:02,240
out to lonus Media Group and uh we should just just for laws we should just

668
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:07,480
produce the stupidest possible P you know what that would be kind of a fun

669
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:09,040
project like Indiegogo pitch video like

670
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:14,839
fake sort of thing I don't know if that's been overdone yet we kind of sort

671
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:18,440
of did it but not for jokes and not and

672
00:48:14,839 --> 00:48:20,280
it wasn't fake but for um the the

673
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:24,040
kickstarter one that we did we did a Kickstarter ah it got no we didn't do

674
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,680
get any of the money we did a video that got posted on Kickstarter for that thing

675
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:32,720
where name Omni Omni trick om that got posted

676
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:36,119
on their Kart and it worked really well so I don't know okay so anyway there you

677
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,240
go you know what why don't we move into something else I'd like to do one topic

678
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:46,800
and in the meantime guys hit us on Twitter at liniste and let us know what

679
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:50,960
questions or comments you have for Josh remember former Boutique system builder

680
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:56,040
current VP of marketing at fractal design for North America always awesome

681
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,920
I'm sorry what and I'm always awesome and always awesome

682
00:48:57,319 --> 00:49:04,640
and you're right I Googled his name and nothing came up yeah that that was that

683
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:10,520
was not going to be a thing um all right so Josh speaking of staying on the sort

684
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:17,359
of bleeding edge of CPU technology and all that crazy stuff here's an article

685
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:20,079
from wccf Tech I mean these guys I don't

686
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:25,280
well The credibility is sort of I mean they had an article about I think it was

687
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:27,760
like 12 or 16 core fxs not that long ago

688
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:35,680
and now there's one about how they're possibly abandoning FX processors apus

689
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:39,400
all the way what's your take on

690
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:43,559
this oh you know I don't know I mean it

691
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:45,880
gets to a point almost uh you know with

692
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:49,720
the big guys that you believe anything I mean things have gone back and forth so

693
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:55,359
much you know I know Apu is definitely a focus for AMD right now as far as like

694
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:59,079
abandoning FX I I don't see it being that drastic I

695
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:04,000
if if you look at the benchmarks you look at like a lot of the forums you would think that AMD is completely

696
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:07,839
screwed because they don't win all the benchmarks but like when you look at you

697
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:11,280
know the buying public like hey that's a cheap processor I'll get that for my

698
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:16,000
next build that'll do what I needed to do if I'm going to build you know my

699
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:19,319
mother an internet and email machine it's like okay fine yeah I'm gonna go

700
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:24,920
for that and I think that's and it's called the Xbox one yeah yeah exactly so

701
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,839
yeah I I don't know I don't put a lot of stock in it I mean it's that's the other

702
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:34,319
thing okay like what are the odds that website would have to scoop if that's what was really happening um you know

703
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:40,040
what I'm going to play devil's advocate here and I'm going to say I think they're right because they've been

704
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:45,960
falling behind I mean performance per watt opteron walked in and destroyed

705
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:49,680
everything AMD owned Fabs at the time they owned the technology they had some

706
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:54,040
serious business you I don't know if you want to

707
00:50:51,799 --> 00:50:58,400
call it planning or luck or whatever word you want to use but Intel was basic

708
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:02,160
basically sitting on their butts and AMD came in and whooped their butts in the

709
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:06,520
server space trickled that technology down to the desktop and kick some butt

710
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:10,680
for a little while now they haven't done that in a

711
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:17,280
long time AMD is more focused on that

712
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:21,359
mainstream consumer and you look at what they see as the definition of an APU

713
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:27,599
according to AMD core I3 Core i5 and core i7

714
00:51:24,839 --> 00:51:34,640
processors from Intel that onboard HD graphics are apus yeah so you look at

715
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:38,839
Intel where they still have dominance when it comes to zeeon when it comes to

716
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:43,559
extreme Edition when it comes to workstation grade processors they still

717
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:48,599
have dominance there and they're barely paying any attention to it for AMD is

718
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:55,839
the overhead just too much at this point to even bother are they better off to

719
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:57,680
just focus on the uh heterogeneous CPU

720
00:51:55,839 --> 00:52:04,640
AR or like guess I can't call it a CPU any but a heterogeneous architecture

721
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:07,000
that uses a CPU and a graphics type of

722
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:11,119
processing in order to achieve what it needs to do and are they right to bank

723
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:16,720
on that in the future because is it possible that a

724
00:52:12,799 --> 00:52:19,520
quadcore CPU with a very powerful

725
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:23,920
graphics processor on it would actually be able to outperform a more traditional

726
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:28,720
six core or 8 core CPU in the tasks that we need I mean

727
00:52:26,799 --> 00:52:32,880
diesel the intern was complaining to me the other day that his workstation

728
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:37,480
doesn't support quicksync because now that technology that uses Intel's

729
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:41,920
onboard HD graphics to accelerate video encoding is starting to show up in the

730
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:46,400
professional tools and I'm like I thought I built you the beasted machine

731
00:52:44,359 --> 00:52:51,000
with a six Core Extreme Edition and all this RAM and a Quadro and you want a

732
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:55,319
fraking consumer grade device because we're moving towards that being more

733
00:52:52,839 --> 00:52:58,920
practical for the future and it it it makes sense and to be honest with them

734
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:02,960
starting to rake in money on the console side especially in the next upcoming

735
00:53:00,839 --> 00:53:06,359
months and still bleeding money they they released a statement

736
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:13,680
recently about how they're going to be profitable soon yes they said next quarter maybe dropping certain segments

737
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:17,839
will help them be profitable soon well you know I think that part of it comes

738
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:21,760
into the fact that like certain product wings are just marketing Wings you know

739
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,839
I mean you look at Halo cards and stuff like that when you're looking at

740
00:53:23,319 --> 00:53:30,160
Graphics it's like you know NVIDIA is not making their Bank on Titans in 780s

741
00:53:28,359 --> 00:53:34,520
it's amazing how many consumers think they are but man guys they're not it

742
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,640
costs five times as much as a consumer grade card or you know a performance

743
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:43,240
card it's like yeah and you sell about what 5% of what you sell on the

744
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:47,640
mainstream so I think five% is very aggressive Prett aggressive yeah and and

745
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:50,839
and the thing is like so if you're going into like the nuclear arms race of

746
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:56,280
Graphics it makes sense because if you win that top rung then you get every rung below it so it's more of a

747
00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:01,160
marketing investment than anything else and and when you look at largely what

748
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:05,119
the bread and butter what AMD probably sells right now yeah it it could make

749
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:09,440
sense to to I guess you know kill off the FX brand if they want to move more

750
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:13,280
towards an APU because it's also about application right I mean it's like if

751
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:18,520
you say what has a faster zero to 60 you know a Ferrari or Ford F-150 everyone's

752
00:54:16,839 --> 00:54:22,799
going to say Ferrari it's like okay now do the same thing on a muddy road which

753
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:26,599
one has it faster 060 so it's all about how you're tasking it like you said with

754
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:29,440
diesel working with video it's like okay that might have more raw processing

755
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:34,400
power but for what I use it for this works better for me y yep although I'm

756
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:38,520
trying to get away with throwing a Kepler GPU in his system because he's

757
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:43,680
found a really cool plugin for Premier that uses Cuda to accelerate uh

758
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:48,000
outputting h264 using the onboard encoder but you know what he wants right

759
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:52,760
he wants a Titan doesn't he and he wants both he wants a qu and a Titan because

760
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:57,520
he diesel are you still here oh no he's not here today he can

761
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:03,240
use one for one thing and the other for the other thing he wants two graphics

762
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:05,200
cards no if he could do it no I don't

763
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:09,799
even care he's not getting two Titans in his workstation no he doesn't want two

764
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,799
Titans oh I know he wants qu yeah he

765
00:55:09,799 --> 00:55:16,799
wants the quadro because he wants 10 bit color and then he wants the Titan for

766
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:20,760
Cuda he's not getting the Titan he can have like a 770 or something reason

767
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:27,039
you're so cheap you're so I know I'm like the worst person ever oh freaking

768
00:55:24,359 --> 00:55:31,400
employees it's like why do I even need them someone's got to make you look good

769
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:37,039
someone's got to produce content while emails all right let's do a Twitter

770
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:40,359
Blitz here guys for Yosh uh we're gonna

771
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:42,839
focus on the questions for Yos um look

772
00:55:40,359 --> 00:55:46,240
at that you an AR mid too it must be because of that pre-roll advertising

773
00:55:44,359 --> 00:55:51,079
you're running online as Tech tips videos uh no it' probably be something

774
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:56,400
effective that we're doing all right so gregar says going for

775
00:55:54,520 --> 00:56:03,559
the arc midar 2 air cooling bill should I go for af140 fans instead of the stock

776
00:55:59,319 --> 00:56:05,280
fans great question Josh go go for

777
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:10,960
whatever you want I mean it comes down to again however you're going to use it

778
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,720
I mean to think that we can make one fan

779
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:18,480
that would be perfect for every solution I you could try uh you know obviously we

780
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:22,960
always have a aim towards silence and that's where a lot of our fans have come

781
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:27,480
from so if you're going for something a little bit more high-end if you want to

782
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:29,880
do what you want to do I mean that's my biggest thing I'm not going to try and

783
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:35,319
push into somebody into something I don't want all right fair enough and you guys

784
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:39,920
all know what I'll say buy all the Noctua nff 12s because I truly believe

785
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:44,160
it is the one- siiz fitall and that's why I stopped talking because I figured

786
00:56:41,319 --> 00:56:48,960
you'd just chime in with that anyway so all right uh that's that same

787
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:53,599
question again will there be a successor to the core 1000 actually a case that I

788
00:56:51,680 --> 00:57:00,559
personally really liked I unboxed it a long time ago and I was quite impressed

789
00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:02,960
by the Innovative cost Savings of moving

790
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:08,000
the hard drive mounting to a single slab of metal as opposed to building a

791
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:10,000
complicated cage while offering other

792
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:13,200
advantages such as improved air flow through the front because you got your

793
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,799
freaking Drive cage out of the way and the fact that it still holds enough

794
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:22,680
Hardware are we going to see anything else like that yeah okay so then now I have to do

795
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:26,000
the typical disclaimer that they cannot talk about products that may or may not

796
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:29,200
be released in the near future blah blah blah but yeah if you look at the rest of

797
00:57:27,799 --> 00:57:33,119
our product line I think you can kind of see what we tend to do I mean we take

798
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:38,039
you know we design our cases we take feedback from our customers and from our

799
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,200
fans and you know we help we use that to

800
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:45,599
help us build new products because I mean obviously that's who we're designing this stuff for at the end of

801
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:47,400
the day so I would say I wouldn't be

802
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:50,440
surprised at all if you saw something like that as far as time frame no I

803
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:55,559
don't know have I seen anything internally no I have not okay but the

804
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:58,880
core 1000's been incredibly popular for us and it makes you look tall so I mean

805
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:06,119
we got to keep it around for while thanks I mean the thing about the core 1000 is keeping it within that price

806
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:09,640
range I don't know how much really could be

807
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:12,280
improved we I mean you do get some of that right I mean it's like oh we could

808
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:16,880
add this we could add that the next thing you know it's like the core 1000

809
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:21,440
at $69.99 it's like okay that kind of just went the opposite direction of

810
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:25,039
where that case was at so and functionality wise I mean it it works

811
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,960
very well especially in its intended market so well you guys have so much

812
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:35,599
margin anyway that you should be able to sell core 1000s for 20 $20 or you know

813
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:38,680
$6.99 anyway so you know according to those yahoos on that yeah we we got a

814
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:42,799
lead on some guys that we're going to buy 500 of them so we just shifted all

815
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:48,520
of our pricing towards them should work out for both of us oh

816
00:58:45,799 --> 00:58:52,480
terrible um lineus Tech and Josh do you think there will be an all-in-one

817
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:57,400
Boutique system made custom for some rich people I'm going to let you go

818
00:58:55,079 --> 00:59:00,160
first an

819
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:05,920
allinone um yeah so when it comes back to the

820
00:59:03,319 --> 00:59:09,880
boutique side of things you know I guess what I was when I was doing it was like

821
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:16,000
a cross between like a boutique and a modder you know because people back in

822
00:59:12,839 --> 00:59:17,760
the day you know like when you were

823
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:22,760
young yeah exactly you know when you were making cases out of stone um it's

824
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:26,240
like people didn't come in the motherboard Trail like we had to do that

825
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:29,920
ourselves you know and walk up hillbo ways and all that sort of crap but I

826
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:35,119
mean legitimately it's like there weren't a whole lot of features like

827
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:39,559
that so you tried to tailored as much as

828
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:41,680
you could to your intended audience um

829
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:46,760
Allin ones get a little tricky though I mean there it's I don't know it's a very

830
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:51,880
difficult form factor to deal with it's very difficult

831
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:54,520
to basically the investment that goes

832
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:58,880
into designing an all-in-one necessitates that you sell a buttload of

833
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:02,000
them and yeah you basically you not got a proprietary design it's like why don't

834
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:08,599
you just design your own laptop is about where it's at pretty much so unless like

835
01:00:05,319 --> 01:00:11,160
Steve wnc decides to build one like for

836
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:16,640
himself I I don't think it's likely to happen now I did see a Gigabyte

837
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:18,799
Prototype at I think it was computex CES

838
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:23,359
CES maybe it was at CES that was an all-in-one that allowed um aftermarket

839
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:27,400
graphics card upgrades with like standard PCI Express graphics cards they

840
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:31,520
had like a 580 or something stupid in it at the time and I was like who that's

841
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:34,760
kind of crazy um but other than that I haven't really seen much and I really

842
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:39,240
don't think anything like that will ever be wildly

843
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:43,880
successful yeah plus I mean the people are going to pay that amount of money

844
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:47,039
for something custom aren't at least in my experience when we were doing it they

845
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:52,680
weren't so much concerned about the form factor it was more here's what I wanted

846
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:54,400
to do or I want to trick it out and have

847
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:59,240
this custom paint job on it I want to have more of like a look to it but not

848
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:05,640
so much a form factor all right here we go Josh what did you major in in

849
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:10,000
college oh let's see here did I go to college other than modeling other than

850
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:14,720
modeling I'm major in that every day I mean I wake up first thing I do is I

851
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:18,440
mean well I'm awesome when I get out of bed I'm awesome when I go into bed yeah

852
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:22,280
pretty much awesome all day now in college believe it or not um and if you

853
01:01:20,839 --> 01:01:27,079
watch the first live stream I on you got a little bit of hint at this I actually majored in criminology and criminal

854
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:30,039
justice and then I kind of accidentally pepper sprayed a bunch of

855
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:40,720
people which actually was was kind of related to my major so so that's all

856
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:43,000
good that's like me saying that I like

857
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:48,079
broke my mom's laptop and that's somehow related to my job you don't have a job

858
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:50,880
man I mean you just kind of sit there and then like you get all pouty when

859
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:55,119
someone argues with you and then you change the

860
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:58,640
subject I think we're going to move on to actually

861
01:01:56,359 --> 01:02:06,559
I think time's up with our guest hey I have a job my job is

862
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:09,559
difficult reaching stuff on the top

863
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:09,559
shelf

864
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:17,119
wow oh I didn't hear your feelings today and he goes to live stream Doc and he

865
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:22,119
searches for a new dog let me pick something that dummy Josh doesn't know

866
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:24,599
anything about um what do you think of

867
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:28,799
veridium usage in um last for

868
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:36,599
ponies I don't want to talk anymore

869
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:40,799
he'll find oh oh slick you got to give it to me if I got lonus to be quiet! that

870
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,720
is like an epic Achi that's actually that is quite impressive we should

871
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:47,039
probably have a separate like lower third animation that like can put a

872
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:53,319
little crown on him that's like achievement unlocked do I get a badge

873
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:54,720
badge on the Forum oh silenced Linus and

874
01:02:53,319 --> 01:02:59,359
it can be like one of the like the silence icons from video game like was

875
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:02,960
actually able to silence lonus badge award Forum we're actually going to be

876
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:07,880
adding Awards on our Forum speaking of me not having they're done they're

877
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:10,119
mostly done oh good work well it was uh

878
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:15,599
call out of windspeed I installed it he distributed which was a huge job so

879
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:18,760
thank you w speaking of fist bumps

880
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:21,240
EA is apparently getting sued for

881
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:25,039
shutting down the servers for games that they're not really running anymore so

882
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:30,200
this was posted on the Forum by ich chondo and the article is from Tech dirt

883
01:03:27,799 --> 01:03:35,960
and basically what's happening is Justin

884
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:41,599
Basset claims he bought several sports themed games for Xbox 360 for about

885
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:45,799
$59.99 each relying on Electronic Arts representation that the games were

886
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:50,240
enabled for unlimited online play but the games were available for only a

887
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,680
limited time he says had the plaintiff known at the time he would not be able

888
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:58,760
to play the products online for a certain amount of time he would not have purchased the products or paid the price

889
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:02,559
he paid for the

890
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:05,240
products whose side are we on here

891
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:10,440
should they have to run servers forever should they not un Unlimited No not

892
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:15,000
necessarily unlimited but the amount of time that EA does run servers is not

893
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:20,119
very acceptable because it's a such incredibly short amount of time now that

894
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:24,240
this document didn't actually State anywhere specifically on it unless it's

895
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:29,039
in the huge 24 page something or other legal document one page might be

896
01:04:27,319 --> 01:04:33,000
somewhere there exactly how long the particular games that he talking abouted

897
01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:37,680
but it is very very short period of time what he's asking for I believe is a

898
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,760
minimum of 3 years which is not a lot to

899
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:46,000
ask for a game Halo Halo 1 was like quite a or

900
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:52,520
Halo 2 sorry it was quite a while like quite a long time and NES was supported

901
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:54,440
for 24 years like that's too much to ask

902
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:58,680
in my opinion you shouldn't ask for 24 years but you should also be able to ask

903
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:04,680
for more than one or two years and I think what they were also asking is that

904
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:06,079
EA should disclose what the window is

905
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:11,400
you can't say unlimited if it's going to be a year or two Josh what do you think

906
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:15,160
the solution is here yeah good question right I mean I do see both sides of it

907
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:19,079
like you know indefinite support is is not something that you can ask for but

908
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:22,920
then yeah getting short changed like uh well you know you bought that last

909
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:26,440
Tuesday and uh didn't sell the way we thought it would and we want to

910
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:30,799
reallocate that team so you have till next Thursday to play your game yeah you

911
01:05:28,839 --> 01:05:33,599
know I don't know I don't know what the answer is but yeah I think like like

912
01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:38,480
three years something like that I think that's feasible I mean if you look at the investment that you put into it like

913
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:42,039
what what do you expect the life cycle of a game to be especially with the

914
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:45,880
sports game where you know I guess replay is is a lot higher you know

915
01:05:44,279 --> 01:05:49,760
you're not looking replay is incredibly High yeah so it's one of those things

916
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:54,680
where it's not like oh I beat the storyline or I'm tired of going out and

917
01:05:52,359 --> 01:05:59,440
just you know doing raids or whatever else I don't know I mean but I can rest

918
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:05,240
assure whatever EA does you guys won't like it you know what I think the

919
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:07,160
solution that I would be happy with is

920
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:11,760
EA running their own servers for however long they want then

921
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:15,400
allowing other people to do so afterwards and allowing third party

922
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:18,799
servers to be hosted because that's the thing that kills me about it we've got a

923
01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:21,640
lot of the twitch chat going like counter- strike still running

924
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:25,279
Battlefield Bad Company 2 is still running quake's still running all this

925
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:31,160
stuff's still running and it's like well yeah because the community is allowed to keep

926
01:06:28,839 --> 01:06:35,920
it running that's the problem with EA's closed platform when it comes to server

927
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:40,799
hosting is that the game runs for as long as they kind of sit there and go

928
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:45,839
like yep and and this time it's not just an EA problem just this EA getting sued

929
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:49,200
so it got into our doc well that in EA is one of the worst offenders because

930
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:54,880
they're doing yearly releases on their titles I mean if blizzard had released

931
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:59,480
you know 16 starcrafts by now I'm willing to bet Starcraft 1 support would

932
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:03,960
have fallen away at some point whereas blizzard releases so few titles the

933
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:08,440
overhead is especially because a lot of their older library is old ass games

934
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:13,400
where the overhead is much lower so so there's all of that but EA backs

935
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:17,240
themselves into this corner where realistically if they were fully

936
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:21,880
supporting with a battl net like infrastructure every single sports game

937
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:25,960
they've ever made for a period of like 10

938
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:30,119
years would it really take that much though it wouldn't not take that much

939
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:33,799
because even things like security patches security patches you'd have to

940
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:37,440
have teams working on them that's a good point the security patches point is very

941
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:40,160
good but hosting the infrastructure I it's not going to take that much okay

942
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:44,440
that I don't think is the problem the problem is the overhead yeah yeah people

943
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:49,079
working on it stuff like that and that's interesting and yes I understand and

944
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:53,720
like I said EA is not at all the only company that has done this and had

945
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:56,079
problems with it but it's just obviously they're a huge company they're going to

946
01:07:54,799 --> 01:08:01,720
come up and our do but yeah every week every week in other

947
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:08,480
news EA actually did something really good yeah I'll bring this one up but a a

948
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:13,599
little bit really good it's it's down a little bit from the other one it's still

949
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:19,080
topics I hate to bail but I gotta roll so all right thank you for joining us

950
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:21,319
Josh you've been a fantastic guest guys

951
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:24,640
that let us know in the twitch chat I'm actually going to start asking twitch

952
01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:30,040
chat to rate all of our guests on a scale of 1 start with

953
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:35,319
Josh he's a model of course he's going to get highly rated models do not always

954
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:41,799
get highly rated when they are like you know sex toy models because those

955
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:44,080
pictures are gross dude what you didn't

956
01:08:41,799 --> 01:08:49,279
know what kind of modeling Josh does evidentally neither did I but you

957
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:51,920
know I'm glad I found out just because just L it's just cuz you're good with

958
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:56,359
Photoshop I don't know what posters you got on your wall but you know I tell you

959
01:08:54,400 --> 01:09:01,440
what the next time this that that I do the live stream because I will be back

960
01:08:58,839 --> 01:09:07,199
in person and then I can turn around and look at your I guess homage to Tech

961
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:11,400
Syndicate behind you there on the wall hey it is it is always right outside the

962
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:15,759
frame at all times you know how Logan's always joking about he could potentially

963
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:22,440
not be wearing pants I could potentially have lewd photos of you Logan slick and

964
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:29,239
every other industry affiliate that I've ever talked to just out of frame

965
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:31,359
right here right here guys and I could

966
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:35,279
potentially not be wearing pants peace Josh thanks for joining us and we'll see

967
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:40,440
you again soon sounds cool I'll see you guys later thanks for having see you later joosh all

968
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:45,080
right so why don't we move on to our next topic which is that EA sucks a

969
01:09:42,440 --> 01:09:48,600
little bit less a little a little bit less I don't give them that much credit

970
01:09:46,839 --> 01:09:52,239
for this no neither do I that's why I keep on saying a little bit where is it

971
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:57,520
ah yes okay I couldn't find it because it was hiding it the the the the title

972
01:09:54,840 --> 01:10:02,320
of the article was EA did something good which was I wasn't looking for that even

973
01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:07,520
so so EA this was posted on the lineus tech tips Forum by user lightning thank

974
01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:10,760
you very much for that EA raises

975
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:12,520
$188,000 for AIDS research more than 80

976
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:16,120
staffers took part in the event which is a 10 km fundraising wathon the money

977
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:22,400
will go to the San Francisco AIDS Foundation and 50 other Aid Service organizations throughout the bay area's

978
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:28,159
important to be involved etc etc etc and

979
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:32,600
yeah they they they they match the employees cont contributions okay that's

980
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:38,360
what they do so they match the employees contributions which totaled

981
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:43,719
$118,000 but you're EA yeah I mean to me this is kind of

982
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:48,800
like um you know I can't sorry I can't possibly say it's bad no because it's

983
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:52,719
not it's not a bad thing but it's like this doesn't make up for if if I don't I

984
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:56,280
don't know maybe this is a yearly thing whatever maybe this has just been going

985
01:10:54,120 --> 01:11:00,280
on forever but if this was an attempt to like buy back some of the hate like dude

986
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:04,560
you're really far off you should have made a bigger splash I mean it's kind of

987
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:09,159
like uh it just seems kind of hollow like you know when a celebrity gets

988
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,880
diagnosed with some disease and then they donate millions of dollars to the

989
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:15,560
foundation that's trying to cure the yeah and then when it's something that

990
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:19,640
doesn't affect them personally it's just like uh they tweet about it or whatever

991
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:23,360
that to me is what this kind of feels like where it's like um yeah you could

992
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:27,400
have done more but I don't want to criticize because the reality of it is

993
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:31,920
you did thousands of still a very good thing so I'm I'm happy that EA did this

994
01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:35,679
and if it's a yearly thing then it's just probably something that's been going on forever and it's not a huge

995
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:40,400
deal it's just a part of the company that's very cool if this was an attempt

996
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:45,520
to like make people like them more then dude you missed the mark by quite a bit

997
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:50,880
so I I would like to know more about the story but good job EA thank you for

998
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:54,080
donating to raids raids research raids

999
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,840
research no I think you're thinking of

1000
01:11:54,080 --> 01:12:00,120
Blizzard yeah I I meant to say AIDS research we're on

1001
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:03,960
fire today we are on fire today all right let's talk about the lab grown

1002
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:09,639
Burger because I totally think this is awesome so this actually is sort of in

1003
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:13,800
line with the conversation that we were having about building an all-in-one

1004
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:18,040
that's a like a boutique grade all-in-one computer when you only build

1005
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:22,040
a couple of them something that is by definition Boutique it is extremely

1006
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:27,520
expensive so this is an article from Digital Trends unsurprisingly says the

1007
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:35,080
headline the $300,000 lab grown Burger so this was

1008
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:39,719
made using um 3D printing technology as

1009
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:41,239
well as simulated meat that was grown as

1010
01:12:39,719 --> 01:12:44,480
opposed to actually hold on no no this one does use 3D printing or doesn't I

1011
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:50,080
know there's something else that's so blah blah yeah 3D printed lab grown

1012
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:53,880
Burger um to build what should be

1013
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:56,719
nutritionally and in theory taste-wise

1014
01:12:53,880 --> 01:13:03,159
beef yeah so it's it cost $331,900 to produce no one liked it and

1015
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:09,400
it's kind of insane but here's the tweets from the uh the BBC

1016
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:11,639
correspondent Hanny says she expected

1017
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:15,920
texture to be softer it's close to meat but not juicy there's no fat in the

1018
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:21,600
burger so tasters say not the right flavor both tasters want

1019
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:25,560
ketchup the lack of fat marbles means that the lack of savory overindulgent

1020
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:31,120
finish that we've come to en Joy that's a direct quote almost direct quote from

1021
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:34,000
the article is is not there we like fat

1022
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:40,440
we like juice and it's not F salt and fat and salt juice and this is a health

1023
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:42,199
focused 3D printed Burger yeah I I'm

1024
01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:46,960
sure if they see another thing is if you look at the picture there's bun Patty

1025
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:52,920
tomato lettuce yeah they probably could have dressed it up a little more mus they

1026
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:55,719
could they could have put ketchup on it this is kind of a fun article I don't

1027
01:13:54,120 --> 01:14:00,400
know if you read this but they've got other ridiculously expensive foods that

1028
01:13:57,719 --> 01:14:04,560
you could have bought instead so 331 golden opulent Sundays which is like

1029
01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:08,520
expensive chocolates gold covered almonds chocolate truffled candies

1030
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:13,199
fruits and topped with a 23 karat edible Gold Leaf you can get diamond encrusted

1031
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:19,320
Sushi you could get 331,000 McDonald's

1032
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:23,520
cheeseburgers which would kill

1033
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:25,920
you I mean yeah whatever um all right

1034
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:30,840
moving on to our next thing John carac joins Oculus as the CTO so we were

1035
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:35,600
talking last week I think about how NVIDIA is making their own virtual

1036
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:37,120
reality headset and some thoughts that

1037
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:42,159
was like a weird prototype weird prototype thing and all that kind of stuff but some some interesting thoughts

1038
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:46,199
came up people talking about maybe more mature companies were going to step in

1039
01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:49,159
and just blow up the field I saw a lot of comments about this in different

1040
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:52,280
places and people were worried that Oculus might get run over Oculus would

1041
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:58,400
Pioneer the whole thing and then just get completely run over John carac steps

1042
01:14:55,719 --> 01:15:02,480
Everything Changes Oculus Rift is now that mature company it like doesn't

1043
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:07,320
matter anymore The credibility is there just I mean like okay when you're when

1044
01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:12,199
you build the Prototype that works your credibility goes like this oh when valve

1045
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:16,120
is all like got their panties all wet about what you're doing your credibility

1046
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:20,520
goes like this John karmac is one of those guys that could actually sit at a

1047
01:15:18,679 --> 01:15:28,040
round table with someone like Gabe Newell and talk shop so when he legit

1048
01:15:24,199 --> 01:15:29,600
joins your company as the CTO then your

1049
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:33,280
credibility goes like this you get one of those big iterations of credibility

1050
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:38,280
that he was just talking about it's just huge so good for them what's great about

1051
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:42,159
him is he's one of those guys that again this is The credibility conversation

1052
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:47,360
where it goes beyond his technical skill because a lot of uh truly Visionary guys

1053
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:52,320
I mean I think Steve wnc's a great example which will help segue into our

1054
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:54,280
next topic um where they're Visionaries

1055
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:57,800
and they Geniuses and they're brilliant but I mean put them in front of a camera

1056
01:15:56,199 --> 01:16:01,800
or you try to like talk to them and you're kind of

1057
01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:05,400
like they can be I mean and was is a lot better particularly these days I mean

1058
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:10,719
his Big Bang Theory appearance was awesome yeah

1059
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:13,639
but having someone who's as eloquent as

1060
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:19,040
John carac he's a great interviewee he's fantastic I mean's amazing like he's so

1061
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:25,400
good I mean we could just sort of like you know wank off John karmac for the

1062
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:26,880
rest of this show I think and and both

1063
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:31,920
of us would enjoy it I don't know that he would John if you're watching I'm sorry for saying that that was totally

1064
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:36,000
inappropriate but you're awesome and uh very excited that he's now the CTO of

1065
01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:39,199
oculus rift because I'm super stoked to get it everyone else is super stoked to

1066
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:43,600
get it and this just makes me much more confident the I mean future of gaming

1067
01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:46,719
guys future of gaming seriously that's uh extremely exciting speaking of which

1068
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:50,800
I wanted to bring up something that I didn't have a chance to talk about last

1069
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:56,400
week oh I said I was going to segue into uh into the uh the jobs movie is this

1070
01:16:54,040 --> 01:17:02,159
better than that I think maybe okay let's do it do it um our our old things

1071
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:05,719
that people tried to make and fail that brutally now becoming things that make

1072
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:10,360
tons of sense and everyone super excited about like the Power Glove turning into

1073
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:15,120
peragine Virtual Boy turning into Oculus R I never replied to an email from

1074
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:18,800
paragan you probably should crap they were gonna no cuz I reached out to them

1075
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:23,960
about getting a sample so that we could uh so we could check it out and showcase it I'm going to email you right now so

1076
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:27,360
that you remember to do that later shoot cuz I think he said said no initially

1077
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:32,120
cuz they didn't have any they didn't have any budget for it or something like that but then I think he reached out to

1078
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:37,159
me again so for those of you guys who haven't heard of it the paragan glove is

1079
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:41,080
I'm just going to load it up here the paragan home let's go ahead and fire

1080
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:45,920
this up all right so there talk about Power Glove versus paragan so Power

1081
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:50,760
Glove is they're actually very different but the idea of having a controller stra

1082
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:54,159
to your hand and or ARM in some way is still inherent in peragine so what you

1083
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:58,800
do is you have your controlling thumb and you touch different points on your

1084
01:17:55,960 --> 01:18:02,000
fingers to the contacts on your um on your thumb so there's contacts along

1085
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:05,159
each one of your fingers and you touch it to your thumb and then those are

1086
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:10,120
bound to buttons on your keyboard so you can essentially play games with just

1087
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:12,120
your hand which is interesting enables

1088
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:17,000
different my favorite thing about it is if you have special disabilities it can

1089
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:19,760
help you a lot now you tried it you didn't like it that much initially I

1090
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:24,000
tried it I didn't like it that much initially because I what I was trying to

1091
01:18:21,719 --> 01:18:29,280
do was and one of the problems is certain pieces of Hardware will not demo

1092
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:31,040
well you have to use it for a while to

1093
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:34,560
actually get used to it so I sit down try and play DotA with this thing and

1094
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:39,360
I'm trying to quickly press all the buttons by tapping my fingers together

1095
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:43,560
and it just felt weird because my natural muscle memory is not to tap my

1096
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:48,080
fingers together when I when I want to press uh qw R right I'm not tapping my

1097
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:53,400
fingers together so I'd run up to someone to fight and then instinctively my hand would like go down to try and

1098
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:56,360
like tap on the keyboard and i' be like no wait I have to press and then i' have

1099
01:18:54,840 --> 01:19:00,840
to remember like which one was which and it it wasn't twitch and it wasn't

1100
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:04,440
instinctive but if you play with it for a while it could be twitch and

1101
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:08,440
instinctive so I would be interested to play with it for like a day instead of a

1102
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:12,800
five minute demo that I got at PS a few years back right so I didn't like it and

1103
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:16,159
I don't necessarily think you could be as fast because on a keyboard all your

1104
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:23,600
fingers will be resting on those keys but okay hold on hold on think about this for a minute

1105
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,600
okay um

1106
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:34,280
Oculus combining I know exactly paragan and then something like Lea frog

1107
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:35,960
yep combining everything together all

1108
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:40,760
these Technologies coming in at one is going to make them all stronger Omni

1109
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:43,960
needs other things to be awesome Oculus doesn't necessarily need other things to

1110
01:19:42,199 --> 01:19:50,360
be awesome but raises up so much when you add other things to it so I don't

1111
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:54,840
know it could no

1112
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:58,840
way so for the fourth time we are attemp

1113
01:19:54,840 --> 01:20:03,560
in to record the back half of this show

1114
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:07,480
which I think is actually going to

1115
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:08,880
kill me and or slick at some point here

1116
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:14,080
because between the technical difficulties with the initial stream and

1117
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:17,679
then the fact that we thought we were recording and then we weren't and then

1118
01:20:16,199 --> 01:20:22,320
we thought we were recording again and then we weren't because I think that was

1119
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:26,000
my bad that time cuz I think I clicked live stream and our internet is still

1120
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:28,960
down um okay and then live stream usually does both so you thought it

1121
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:33,000
would be fine so I like I was on autopilot I very rarely used the local

1122
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:39,159
record feature because oh cuz this is supposed to be a

1123
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:41,600
live show but it's not

1124
01:20:39,159 --> 01:20:45,560
apparently back to Ashton Kutcher back to Ashton Kutcher anyway we left off

1125
01:20:43,719 --> 01:20:51,639
with the paragan where the clip just kind of dies and basically we're excited

1126
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:53,440
because paragan um is a glove that you

1127
01:20:51,639 --> 01:20:58,000
can use to interact with your computer and with not a keyboard board and that

1128
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:01,239
plus Leap Motion is cool and that plus Oculus is cool and the way it all

1129
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:06,440
integrates is going to be cool things that aren't cool Ashton cutcher I'm

1130
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:08,600
sorry but punct wasn't cool 70 show was

1131
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:14,960
cool but dude that was an awful long time ago and this is a Gizmodo article

1132
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:18,920
on was basically saying in an email

1133
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:22,080
that's kind of not how it happened yeah

1134
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:23,159
so so I I want to jump in right away on

1135
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:28,159
something that it took me a while to remember before but in spite of the fact

1136
01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:32,639
that it's in your notes for this topic you said it the first time you said it

1137
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:36,320
the second time forgot the third time and then the fourth time I'm opening

1138
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:40,800
with it you're opening with it okay hit me go watch Pirates of Silicone Valley

1139
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:44,840
it's an amazing movie and is a really good accurate portrayal of the beginning

1140
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:48,400
of both Microsoft and Apple so if you want all the starting of it go back

1141
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:53,840
watch that movie it's an older movie it's still really good this has some

1142
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:55,360
Hollywood going on and I mean there's

1143
01:21:53,840 --> 01:22:01,920
like this scene in an underground parking lot where jobs is like was don't

1144
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:04,480
you see it's the future of computing

1145
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:09,840
holy crap man oh my God we're going to change the world and from W's sort of

1146
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:15,719
interpretation he seems to be a pretty grounded guy with no real incentive to

1147
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:18,600
lie about things at this point not

1148
01:22:15,719 --> 01:22:21,760
close we never had such interaction and roles I'm not even sure what it's

1149
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:25,639
getting at personalities are very wrong although

1150
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:31,560
mine is closer don't forget that my purpose was

1151
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:38,280
inspired by the values of The Homebrew Computer Club so these ideas that of

1152
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:42,239
computers affecting Society didn't come from jobs they came from The Homebrew

1153
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:46,560
Computer Club they were widely spoken about there I'm paraphrasing Steve Jobs

1154
01:22:44,679 --> 01:22:49,880
came back from Oregon came to a club meeting and didn't start talking about

1155
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:53,320
the great social impact his idea was to make a $20 PC board and sell it for $40

1156
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:57,120
to help people at the club build the computer he wanted to make some money

1157
01:22:55,400 --> 01:23:01,199
yes and help people build computers the lofty talk came much further down the

1158
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:04,400
road and I never looked like a professional we were both kids our

1159
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:07,920
relationship was so different than what was portrayed I'm embarrassed but if the

1160
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:13,159
movie is fun and entertaining all the better in fact looking at the portrayal

1161
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:17,440
of jobs in the movie uh based on what I've read in the biography about him

1162
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:23,120
basically being a smelly hippie that you wouldn't want like anywhere near your

1163
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:25,719
furniture or children like it it really

1164
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:30,280
seems like they've go watch Pirates of Silicon Valley okay

1165
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:34,760
there now we've done that topic let's move on to the next one that we're doing

1166
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:36,880
for the bloody fourth time HTC1 Max I

1167
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:41,199
can't even remember is this was this did we do this before I think we did this

1168
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:45,480
before before the the bad things okay we did the felony thing before the bad

1169
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:50,679
things the the the console thing yeah console optimizations yes John karmac

1170
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:55,800
again I swear we could talk about how awesome John karmac is like forever we

1171
01:23:53,159 --> 01:24:00,560
we just did we just we have we have now talked about how awesome John carac is

1172
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:06,159
forever all day we've been talking about John carac you're awesome um so

1173
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:08,360
basically the performance boosts oh this

1174
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:13,840
was posted on the Forum by Tech fanatic Matt higgy has come out and said the

1175
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:18,360
performance boosts that they are achieving by optimizing their game for

1176
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:24,000
multicore in order to Port it to the PlayStation 4 are already going to be

1177
01:24:21,719 --> 01:24:27,440
able to affect the optimization of the PC

1178
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:36,000
version and Planet Side 2 is nothing if not a poorly optimized single thread

1179
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:38,280
single thread only game so the thing

1180
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:42,880
about PS4 and Xbox One is that they might have eight core CPUs but man they

1181
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:48,840
are not powerful cores no they are like they are like if you know a vegetarian

1182
01:24:46,199 --> 01:24:53,920
had bulimia and wasn't taking the proper supplements like dude they've got no

1183
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,960
energy because they're you know not

1184
01:24:53,920 --> 01:25:01,000
suppl they don't have a correct diet and they're not keeping their food I don't

1185
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:03,080
know where I'm going with this I'm tired

1186
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:06,239
it has actually been a phenomenally long day and I didn't sleep till like 5:30

1187
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:11,280
last night he's had a different way of describing those cores every single time

1188
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:16,520
we've done this and that was the best one I think by best You' being worst

1189
01:25:14,199 --> 01:25:21,199
yeah anyway the cores aren't very powerful so for game developers to be

1190
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:25,719
able to leverage that power we're talking we we're talking cell processor

1191
01:25:23,719 --> 01:25:29,239
all over again where it's that was way Ahad of time and no one was able to

1192
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:34,119
optimize it different architecture and there was a buch ofes and blah blah blah

1193
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:37,639
blah blah now they x86 so it's like guys

1194
01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:40,159
get your act together optimize this

1195
01:25:37,639 --> 01:25:45,080
stuff and the PC will benefit as well which is great because developers could

1196
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,880
rely on the PC to have these Uber single

1197
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:52,440
thread cores and that's on both the Intel and AMD side but these more mobile

1198
01:25:49,719 --> 01:25:55,400
optimized low power consumption Apu chips in these consoles aren't able to

1199
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:58,960
do it it's going be great because games like Planet Side had no real intention

1200
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:03,760
of updating the performance of their game who really cares they're going to

1201
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:06,840
maybe runs well enough yeah it's fine people know how much they need to run

1202
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:10,040
Planet Side so now they're optimizing it for the console and now it's just going

1203
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:14,639
to make everything better it's not a bad thing at all speaking of optimization

1204
01:26:12,679 --> 01:26:18,480
wait did we talk about Cuda is doomed I have no idea I have no idea what we

1205
01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:25,440
talked about anyway icho on the Forum skip this if we've already talked about

1206
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:25,440
it I don't I don't know um so

1207
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:34,239
oh man basically AMD shots fired Ron Taylor on apus gaming in the end of Cuda

1208
01:26:31,639 --> 01:26:40,800
basically the summary is Cuda is a closed standard Gamers like what's this

1209
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:43,239
this quote is so awesome just fires

1210
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:46,719
everything all the bullets F okay so he's talking about FX but because

1211
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:51,600
there's a parallel being drawn between FX and Cuda and that they're both close

1212
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:54,040
standards unlike opencl FX is an utter

1213
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:58,199
failure because it's proprietary nobody want wants it you don't want it I don't

1214
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:03,360
want it Gamers don't want it analysts don't want

1215
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:05,159
it so I think that pretty much uh that

1216
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:09,639
pretty much says it I mean the thing about fiz X is that in the very

1217
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:14,320
beginning it was much more terrible than it is now it was like this weird

1218
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:19,040
dedicated card that ran in a PCI slot of all things I me nobody really bought it

1219
01:27:16,199 --> 01:27:22,080
yeah if anyone needed to sort of you know work through their mind that it

1220
01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:27,000
wasn't doing anything the fact that it ran in a PCI slot meant that there

1221
01:27:25,239 --> 01:27:30,880
probably wasn't much data transfer going on here so it probably wasn't I mean

1222
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:34,000
that's an oversimplification it could be doing a lot of work on its side and then

1223
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:38,119
spitting out results that don't require much bandwidth but I'm just I'm kind of

1224
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:41,679
making fun of it um and then it got better when NVIDIA acquired them and now

1225
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:46,040
anyone with an NVIDIA graphics card was able to run physx accelerated Cuda

1226
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:50,760
accelerated physx all that stuff but at the end of the day I think that I think

1227
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:53,760
he's right I think Open Standards like open CL are going to be the future I

1228
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:57,840
mean you look at even companies like Adobe what a major win that was CS6

1229
01:27:56,159 --> 01:28:01,800
running Cuda that might have just won it for them because okay open platforms and

1230
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:06,239
computers go together like nothing ever before people love open platforms on

1231
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:09,480
computers I trying to find a different way to say this than every single other

1232
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:13,400
time I've said it um you don't have to it's okay just go over bait them and

1233
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:17,199
they'll bear with it there there's paid which people aren't totally into on

1234
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:19,679
computers then there's free which is kind of a big deal then there's open

1235
01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:25,159
which is on a completely different platform because the second you bring out open everyone can optimize it for

1236
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:28,159
their own use and they can either deliver it for free or they can charge

1237
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:32,679
money or they can charge money for it depending on how they how they augment

1238
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:37,320
it but when someone like Adobe backs it you know that adobe is going to probably

1239
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:42,080
be contributing in some way yes and I mean the thing is that it's not like

1240
01:28:39,119 --> 01:28:46,320
cuda's dead no like it's certainly not dead today I mean look at something like

1241
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:50,800
the Titan super computer any kind of specialized application where you're

1242
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:54,560
really like specialized hardware and specialized programming languages may

1243
01:28:52,719 --> 01:28:59,480
actually be optimal for an like that where you are really dialing

1244
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:02,320
down into the hardware to get the absolute most out of it and you're

1245
01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:06,600
purpose building a single machine and purpose building software to run on it

1246
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:10,679
but then again maybe that's what Ron's talking about is maybe we shouldn't

1247
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:15,320
purpose build software in purpose bu because at the same time if if you take

1248
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:20,239
an open platform you can you can hack into it and change things to make it

1249
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:22,679
purpose buil yes so so open is open's

1250
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:28,760
great and that's basically what he's saying so there there you go yet another

1251
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:32,320
thing that uh that we something talked about before but now we're talking about

1252
01:29:30,679 --> 01:29:39,119
again um did we talk about 3D NE flash yet ah

1253
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:45,800
yes no we didn't okay Samsung changing the SSD game again with 3D vertical Nan

1254
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:50,000
flash this is fantastic because Samsung's already using really

1255
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:54,119
Innovative strategies to bring more performance to SSD so things like RAM

1256
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:59,119
caching with their rapid technology Tech ology as well as that weird mode I don't

1257
01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:05,440
even remember what they call it but basically they're emulating SLC flash

1258
01:30:02,440 --> 01:30:08,040
operation on TLC Flash in order to get a

1259
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:11,920
performance boost that's temporary but very very real and something that many

1260
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:17,199
users will be able to realize a lot of the time definely now they're driving

1261
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:21,480
capacity what how many layers is this 24 I believe so there it is uh yes 24

1262
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:25,360
layers vertically they can stack 24 layers of traditional styled flash this

1263
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:29,040
was posted by M on the Forum by the way on top of each other's vertically to

1264
01:30:27,159 --> 01:30:32,400
just oh your capacities are going to explode so we're going to be talking

1265
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:40,360
about smartphones that instead of coming in 16 32 and 64 gig like they have been

1266
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:45,560
since the dawn of bloody time we might be talking about 384 gig

1267
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:50,880
smartphone a yeah I mean come on like iPad 1 had the same capacities available

1268
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:54,560
as iPad 4 which is brutal and you look at Apple they actually are trying to

1269
01:30:53,159 --> 01:31:02,560
drive things forward look launched IP after IP 3 we we can

1270
01:30:59,119 --> 01:31:04,239
build so here it is does it bone people

1271
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:07,800
who just bought an iPad 3 a little bit oh I don't know maybe but they don't

1272
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:11,679
care here's a higher resolution display because we can here's a more faster

1273
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:14,880
processor because we can and I think if they could deliver higher capacities

1274
01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:20,080
while maintaining their lucrative product profit margins they would this

1275
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:26,440
will enable it so yay stacking stuff find another topic go

1276
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:31,440
go uh what have we not talked about NVIDIA tablet Market thing yes yay

1277
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:35,119
NVIDIA diving into tablets Beyond NVIDIA Shield which hopefully ours is going to

1278
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:39,760
arrive soon so what we were discussing was how Microsoft tried to dive into

1279
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:44,000
tablets and it was a very very bad thing very very bad thing and how while this

1280
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:48,560
is dangerous and I think jumping into the tablet game at this point in time is

1281
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:51,480
borderline suicidal posted by telha on the Forum by the way there's a Maximum

1282
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:55,280
PC article that we're going to go to go ahead y um it's it's borderline suicide

1283
01:31:54,080 --> 01:32:00,400
but if someone's going to do it it might as well be NVIDIA because they're going to gain some experience from their

1284
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:04,239
shield and they're going to get more developers looking into building that

1285
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:07,960
style of Android game not necessarily touchcreen Android game and then they're

1286
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:11,800
going to come up with a tablet and that tablet will probably like hear

1287
01:32:10,199 --> 01:32:15,840
controllers whatnot like it's it's going to be Tegra 5 it's going to be gaming

1288
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:19,520
and I mean you look at what they're doing on the software side as well it's

1289
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:24,080
more than just the hardware with these guys lately and I mean that's what and

1290
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:28,440
it's funny because that uh that article has a link or has a picture of the Razor

1291
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:33,960
Edge and that's another company that's trying to differentiate based on not

1292
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:37,320
only Hardware but also software so you look at what they're doing with comms

1293
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:41,480
which by the way guys we are powered by Razer comms download it here if you

1294
01:32:39,119 --> 01:32:44,400
haven't already try it out it's free it's voice chat software that doesn't

1295
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:48,800
require any kind of server or any kind of complicated setup and anyway that's

1296
01:32:46,119 --> 01:32:54,560
what NVIDIA is doing Shadow play GeForce experience it's more than just FPS now

1297
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:58,080
yeah yeah and the built-in h264 encod in

1298
01:32:54,560 --> 01:33:00,320
Kepler may be a big part of this

1299
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:03,320
upcoming tablet I fully expect them you you said that was a picture of the razor

1300
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:06,920
tablet and yeah but I fully expect them to have some type of controllers oh yeah

1301
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:11,360
I wouldn't be surprised at all probably similar to that style or something like

1302
01:33:08,679 --> 01:33:16,080
that style and I mean with h264 and code like with Shield you're able to use a

1303
01:33:13,239 --> 01:33:20,159
Kepler grade GPU to push to it and it can decode it yeah but this is an older

1304
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:25,800
architecture now at this point whereas if we have a Kepler based on the tablet

1305
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:28,520
now all of a sudden stand like Wy that

1306
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:33,679
are I mean come on who's put up your hand if you actually used YY at some

1307
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:38,119
point other than at work no so I'm not going to put up my hand so okay Wii uh

1308
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:42,800
you know you look at devices like chomecast we might be looking at with

1309
01:33:40,679 --> 01:33:48,560
built-in hardware and coding ways to stream High much higher bit rate much

1310
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:51,320
higher quality video streams with dumb

1311
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:54,880
dongles on the other end and by the time that rolls around we might have a Next

1312
01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:58,840
Generation CH caster something like that that's per that's a perfect match for it

1313
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:02,880
yep definitely definitely extremely exciting so if anyone's going to pull it

1314
01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:08,080
off probably NVIDIA probably NVIDIA so it's still crazy yeah it's still insane

1315
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:13,719
but they could do it which is cool um was that all we did before build

1316
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:20,400
doogs or did we do more uh we had the radon 9970 rumors so this is the

1317
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:23,719
volcanic islands series of gpus which is

1318
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:26,679
sort of appropriate because per meru

1319
01:34:23,719 --> 01:34:31,600
post on the Forum the rumor is the 9970 will have a 300 wat TDP which actually

1320
01:34:30,119 --> 01:34:36,600
if that's true I can't imagine that's true that should exceed the PCI Express

1321
01:34:33,639 --> 01:34:40,080
standard I believe I thought it was 275 Max that's interesting I didn't even

1322
01:34:38,440 --> 01:34:45,560
think about that I could be wrong I could be wrong but anyway huge TDP this

1323
01:34:43,159 --> 01:34:49,440
is the rumored card uh the code name is Hawaii there's also a rumor that they're

1324
01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:55,320
going to launch it in Hawaii at like a special press event that would be kind

1325
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:57,440
of cool um prepare your water blocks Oh

1326
01:34:55,320 --> 01:35:01,920
serious post here I we've talked a few times about how

1327
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:05,560
water cooling not being as big of a deal as it was before on graphics cards it's

1328
01:35:03,719 --> 01:35:10,920
becoming a bigger deal hello yeah exactly Titan this speaking of Titan the

1329
01:35:08,639 --> 01:35:16,600
rumored performance is that it'll be around 5% faster than Titan so while we

1330
01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:20,199
can't confirm nor deny the rumors because we actually don't know there's

1331
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:25,960
oh wait there's a lot of stuff in here about specs so they're claiming 1 gigz

1332
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:27,440
clock speeds with 4 th Shader units um

1333
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:33,320
effective memory clock of anywhere from 6 GHz to 6 7 GHz 52 bit bus 4 gigs of

1334
01:35:31,159 --> 01:35:39,840
ddr5 gddr5 memory um I guess it's kind of in line

1335
01:35:37,159 --> 01:35:44,119
with even though we can't confirm or deny kind of in line with what AMD's

1336
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:49,119
been doing it makes sense they slapped pricing on

1337
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:53,880
$79.90 got that driver out pricing I don't know if you saw netlink but there

1338
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:55,639
was a 7970 for like 329

1339
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:59,639
which is pretty cheap so it is pretty cheap yeah it's looking like they're

1340
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:03,800
adjusting pricing in their product stack to make room for these before they even

1341
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:08,199
arrive so yeah it could be a very exciting time

1342
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:14,159
for graphics cards over the next little bit here graphics cards have been really exciting for a little bit and AMD has

1343
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:19,639
been kind of doing things a little differently like coming out and saying

1344
01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:21,480
no new gpus this year and then just and

1345
01:36:19,639 --> 01:36:29,800
then releasing one like immediately with the 7790 I was a different architecture and

1346
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:32,199
then like it's like September which is

1347
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:37,080
last time I checked in the same calendar year as like February when they were

1348
01:36:34,679 --> 01:36:46,360
saying this I says pardon so guys when does

1349
01:36:42,440 --> 01:36:47,440
your year start Yo Dogs I heard you like

1350
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:52,239
sort of throwing everyone off a cliff in

1351
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:55,760
terms of how closely they're able to follow along with what you're doing

1352
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:58,719
doing exactly over there I mean I guess it's good because you know you don't

1353
01:36:57,119 --> 01:37:04,080
want your competitor getting the drop on you or anything like that but uh which

1354
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:08,920
normally it seems like everyone does but in this case not necessarily yep yep yep

1355
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:12,960
all right why don't we tackle one more topic before we do build of the week and

1356
01:37:10,639 --> 01:37:18,400
then we can uh sign off for the fourth bloody time on this uh here why don't we

1357
01:37:16,440 --> 01:37:24,400
do something that we skipped last time Microsoft digs more holes for its

1358
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:27,800
console okay so I got find this give me one

1359
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:34,239
second those movies crashed as badly with the fourth installment as the X I

1360
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:41,400
wish it was the fourth Xbox wouldn't that be great I love Harrison Ford and Indiana

1361
01:37:38,440 --> 01:37:45,639
Jones as much as anyone but speaking of which Harrison Ford is apparently going

1362
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:50,360
to be in the new Expendables movie really yeah Bruce Willis was asking for

1363
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:57,520
a million dollar a day they offered him 3 million for 4 days and he held out and

1364
01:37:54,239 --> 01:38:00,119
uh Stallone replaced him within 72 hours

1365
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:04,880
with on his Twitter he was like a better actor a nicer guy and then he said

1366
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:09,400
something on Twitter about how like being lazy and greedy is a bad career

1367
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:12,520
move or something like that so well this is supposed to the whole idea of

1368
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:16,440
Expendables was they were just screwing around was it not the first movie was

1369
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:19,599
terrible so they couldn't have possibly been trying to make a serious movie it

1370
01:38:18,119 --> 01:38:22,719
was supposed to be just like everyone getting back together we're kind of

1371
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:29,679
getting older now it's kind of the end of our careers just make a movie and have fun that's I I read that and then

1372
01:38:26,199 --> 01:38:32,360
here we are three movies into the who

1373
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:36,599
cares whatever I refused to watch the second one based on how terrible the

1374
01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:42,800
first one was I don't think it's for you I think they're having fun on their

1375
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:45,560
own oh well whatever um dlf posts on the

1376
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:51,560
Forum this is uh this is a an article from one hit pixel oh this is just

1377
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:56,159
terrible cuz game streaming is such a big thing and you look at companies like

1378
01:38:54,400 --> 01:39:00,679
twitch where we stream our where we do our live stream and everyone's trying to

1379
01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:05,199
figure out how to cash in on game streaming Microsoft apparently thinks

1380
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:11,520
the method to cash in is going to be to require users to pay for Xbox Live uh

1381
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:14,400
gold one thing is people are probably going to be streaming multiplayer games

1382
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:19,800
just to be completely honest and if you're playing a multiplayer game you have Xbox Gold anyways okay that much is

1383
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:25,880
true I'm gonna I'm gonna play Devil's although I will okay although I will

1384
01:39:22,599 --> 01:39:27,480
never ever mark my words sign up for a

1385
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:33,040
subscription based server it's not g to happen so

1386
01:39:30,719 --> 01:39:38,840
you're not so I won't sign up for a pay permon MMO I'm not a console player I

1387
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:44,400
know but I mean even on PC I won't sign up for a pay permon MMO I'm not going to

1388
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:47,920
I don't support that model it's a I don't like that model freeo play is

1389
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:51,719
getting kind of gross lately though dedicated servers dedicated servers are

1390
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:55,480
awesome dedicated servers are what I want and no I I don't don't I don't

1391
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:59,560
think free to play is necessarily the right way to go either because there's a

1392
01:39:57,719 --> 01:40:03,480
lot of pay to win and there's a lot of uh what I think it was Logan that was

1393
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:09,040
talking about just sort of the general level of trolling stupid itude that goes

1394
01:40:06,599 --> 01:40:11,880
on with with freeo play no barrier of Entry I think is not necessarily great

1395
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:17,960
either but yeah anyway

1396
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:19,800
so I mean and imagining paying for an

1397
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:23,599
Xbox Live gold membership to me is like if you guys all just refused to pay for

1398
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:27,119
it it would go away it would would be free they do need people to buy the

1399
01:40:25,599 --> 01:40:30,520
consoles and they do need people to buy the games but everyone just kind of

1400
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:36,880
keeps doing it sry go ahead I'm just at the same time Sony had it free people

1401
01:40:33,239 --> 01:40:38,719
didn't like it so to BU the they had to

1402
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:42,679
make it paid so they could fund it more had to is an awfully strong way two to

1403
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:46,400
keep shareholders happy and if they didn't their company could

1404
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:51,719
close when you're a publicly traded company you have to do certain things

1405
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:53,040
okay fine um and and as now this is just

1406
01:40:51,719 --> 01:40:56,239
something that I scraped up right before the stream started so please correct me

1407
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:59,800
if I'm wrong in the comments but as far as I know you can record but not

1408
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:06,119
necessarily upload through the PlayStation if you don't have PlayStation Plus or whatever it's called

1409
01:41:03,159 --> 01:41:09,840
okay but it makes a ton of sense that you could just take that file and upload

1410
01:41:07,599 --> 01:41:13,080
it off your computer oh wait no it says right here Sony's share feature for

1411
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:16,520
PlayStation 4 allows users to record and upload up to 15 minutes of footage and

1412
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:21,280
is not restricted to PlayStation Plus users record and upload okay yeah so

1413
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:24,599
Microsoft says uh allows gold numbers to record up to 5 minutes of in-game

1414
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:28,480
footage for editing and upload to the Xbox Live service that's that's a thing

1415
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:32,400
too they can apparently edit it on the Xbox I don't think you can edit why

1416
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:36,719
would you want us why would what what who Who records a five minute recording

1417
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:41,080
and then edits it on their XBox I mean this is how out of touch Microsoft is

1418
01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:45,760
yep I agree I saw that and I was like oh cool you can edit it terribly like it's

1419
01:41:44,119 --> 01:41:48,639
just going to suck all you're going to be doing is cutting it and it won't be

1420
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:53,800
that great I mean looking at how much worse they managed to make Windows Live Movie Maker than the original Windows

1421
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:57,800
Movie Maker the original Windows Movie Maker as far as I have been told wasn't

1422
01:41:55,560 --> 01:42:01,159
even that bad no it wasn't that bad yeah Windows Live Movie Maker isn't even that

1423
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:06,040
bad but it isn't as good as the old one yeah yeah so

1424
01:42:03,719 --> 01:42:10,520
anyway brutal we should all just go back to that awesome game 3D Movie Maker that

1425
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:14,880
thing was awesome you're too you're too young for that game but it was oh man it

1426
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:18,199
was awesome uh I wasn't actually I can't believe it's 5 minutes anyway I still

1427
01:42:16,679 --> 01:42:22,840
don't think this is going to prevent you from capturing via HDMI using something

1428
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:27,800
like an a live gamer portable or something like that my understanding is

1429
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:32,960
Microsoft hasn't said that they're going to be enabling htcp whereas I believe

1430
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:37,239
Sony is still holding to the hdcp enabled outputs on PS4 just like they

1431
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:40,440
did with PS3 so it's not like Sony is perfect in all of this by any stretch of

1432
01:42:39,480 --> 01:42:45,560
the imagination all right all

1433
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:48,800
right now to build logs we keep going we have a few more topics yeah we do kind

1434
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:52,679
of have a few more CBS blocks online subscribers from watching their con

1435
01:42:50,599 --> 01:42:58,800
content if they use Time Warner they're big is like totally not okay nope to to

1436
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:05,360
put it in sort of the most this is posted on the Forum by E chondo

1437
01:43:01,480 --> 01:43:07,440
ho crap in response to time order

1438
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:11,800
cutting off access to CBS in a few major markets today CBS has retaliated Against

1439
01:43:09,639 --> 01:43:17,239
Time Warner Internet subscribers by blocking access to popular CBS shows

1440
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:21,639
currently available to watch on cbs.com

1441
01:43:17,239 --> 01:43:23,719
this my friends is an abuse of power and

1442
01:43:21,639 --> 01:43:27,880
is nothing to do with the way that the internet should be working Internet

1443
01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:32,800
Service Pro I mean we're not even talking traffic shaping anymore we're

1444
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:38,119
talking about outright that's my competitor and I want people who support

1445
01:43:35,159 --> 01:43:44,280
my competitor to be punished punishing your customers or anyone else's

1446
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:46,320
customers punishing the customer is

1447
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:50,000
it I'm just mad

1448
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:52,520
basically screwing over your customer in anyway screwing over anyone in any way

1449
01:43:51,440 --> 01:44:00,719
should not be allowed and this is directly screwing over someone that is feeding you money it's not okay and

1450
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:04,719
just time order representatives are calling out cbs's move as an abuse of

1451
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:08,719
power specifically stating CBS has shown an utter lack of regard for consumers by

1452
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:13,599
blocking Time Warner Cables customers including our high-speed data only

1453
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:18,840
customers so not even a cable TV competitor from accessing the shows on

1454
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:22,280
their free website CPS enjoys the privilege of using public owned Airwaves

1455
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:27,840
to deliver their programming they should not be allowed to abuse that

1456
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:32,840
privilege it's getting real y'all everything with different isps is

1457
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:38,159
getting nuts right now I hope that they you know what I almost hope that they

1458
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:41,840
abuse it that they abuse their power as much as they possibly can get away with

1459
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:47,360
they get crushed so that they get crushed so that there is so that the

1460
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:50,400
government can't just kind of you know

1461
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:53,960
be like well it's not that bad yet we're

1462
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:57,280
just G just crush them you know what I

1463
01:44:53,960 --> 01:45:00,239
hope that it gets to the point where a

1464
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:04,719
third of the subscribers in the US can't access a third of the other websites

1465
01:45:02,599 --> 01:45:09,639
because it's not being served over someone's pipe or someone's butt hurt

1466
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:13,679
because someone else's Hub is you know has band with being using I hope that

1467
01:45:11,679 --> 01:45:18,159
they get that petty about it so that this all just goes away that is what I

1468
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:23,679
hope because otherwise I don't think it'll go away no probably

1469
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:26,760
not h all right why don't we call that it

1470
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:32,119
let's do build logs of the week which conveniently I already have downloaded

1471
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:38,920
because we've already done this so I'm just going to have to find the download

1472
01:45:34,719 --> 01:45:40,480
and we are starting with the aquad

1473
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:47,400
dreamer boom beautiful just like last

1474
01:45:45,239 --> 01:45:51,480
time I was just gonna say it's kind of weird doing this again because usually

1475
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:56,400
it's it's it's first usually fairly first impressions for you yeah

1476
01:45:53,599 --> 01:46:01,679
and I haven't seen my PowerPoint other than just stretching the image and going

1477
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:03,400
for gold so it's it looks it looks very

1478
01:46:01,679 --> 01:46:08,480
nice um one thing that you brought up the first time is he's got four fans

1479
01:46:05,599 --> 01:46:13,159
going in some crazy awesome wind tunnel yeah the four fans here it's like fan

1480
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:15,599
one fan two fan three fan four and it's

1481
01:46:13,159 --> 01:46:19,239
just like all the air but it shouldn't be loud because those are fantex fans

1482
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:22,440
those are quite nice fans he's got he's got white white LED strips going all the

1483
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:27,639
way around the outside of his case which look great gge and he has awesome

1484
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:32,280
awesome sing on everything and a lot of nice custom spray painting I pain

1485
01:46:30,119 --> 01:46:36,880
graphics card shouds painted as or Crossfire Bridge rather um you had

1486
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:40,239
brought up the first time around that it was supposed to originally be a water

1487
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:44,639
cooled build but kind of looks like it's underwater anyway it's a nice night shot

1488
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:47,800
yep it's it's hard to get nice night shots but it looks it looks great there

1489
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:53,199
he did a really really good job with this system all right speaking of knights

1490
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:57,000
this one's nuts these photos that we have here are in his basically it looks

1491
01:46:55,280 --> 01:47:01,199
kind of like a pamphlet advertisement at the end these are not his build log in

1492
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:05,119
progress photos i' highly suggest that you check out all the Builds on the pill

1493
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:09,119
blog there is so much back sweat going into this pillow at this point that I

1494
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:15,320
think it's almost soaked all the way through it smells awful like here I

1495
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:20,560
don't want to smell it I don't want to smell it I want to talk about a

1496
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:24,440
Dragonite PC

1497
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:26,199
jeez wow okay Paul T has been on build

1498
01:47:24,440 --> 01:47:30,719
logs of the week before he makes awesome incredible computers um I I wouldn't be

1499
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:38,080
surprised at all if he's selling this it looks even say he's the pton of Computer

1500
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:43,880
Builders oh my goodness let me just go ahead and open this up wow just like

1501
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:46,920
last time it's amazing it's a it's a

1502
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:49,119
Cosmos 2 the front is gorgeous the Sid's

1503
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:54,000
got a window that's gorgeous and custom and holy crap it gets better than that

1504
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:57,480
my problem with the Cosmos 2 is that it's big for no apparent reason you

1505
01:47:56,080 --> 01:48:01,040
can't actually put that much stuff in it but it looks like he basically got it it

1506
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:05,040
so one thing that he's done if you notice right away is there's no I/O coming out of the back of the case the

1507
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:09,360
back of the case is on the the right hand picture so what he's done is

1508
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:13,880
rotated the motherboard 90° and custom formed the computer to work well with

1509
01:48:11,239 --> 01:48:18,360
that so he's made an exhaust area on the back which can't see a ton of details on

1510
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:21,520
there but it has individual slanting down fins it's a dark night how much

1511
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:28,639
were you expecting to see oh my God hey oh why are you

1512
01:48:25,639 --> 01:48:30,920
trolling Paul system um cuz I love it so

1513
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:35,800
hard that's I guess that's not a bad not a bad point yeah could be worse um yeah

1514
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:40,320
so he's done a ton of custom work for it if you want to see his like artist

1515
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:44,239
rendering prototype designs before he started building and his whole huge

1516
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:51,080
amount of pictures build log please check it out on the Forum yeah check out the build log section of the build logs

1517
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:54,679
Forum build logs of the week section of the build log forum

1518
01:48:55,880 --> 01:49:02,239
okay so um this system has actually been done for a while I just have not been

1519
01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:06,080
able to get wher to put it in the actual freaking build log section so he finally

1520
01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:08,840
did so we're finally showcasing it this isn't necessarily something that's kind

1521
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:14,159
of along the lines of what we usually put on here yeah gaming rigs yeah not

1522
01:49:11,199 --> 01:49:22,719
for gaming although with six PCI Express slots and 32 opteron course and looks

1523
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:26,760
like up to whatever 8 by 16 would be so

1524
01:49:22,719 --> 01:49:29,480
so 8 * 10 is 80 and another five is 40

1525
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:33,599
so that's 100 probably what 156 gigs of memory or something stupid like that

1526
01:49:31,599 --> 01:49:38,599
yeah about there that sounds about right yeah potentially so as long as the board

1527
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:43,639
actually supports it um like my SSD and my laptop isn't that big and we're

1528
01:49:41,440 --> 01:49:49,360
talking RAM I I wonder if that board supports it

1529
01:49:46,440 --> 01:49:51,960
um yeah so click next might should even support more than that because if you

1530
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:58,599
throw some register dims in there I think there are 16 G registered

1531
01:49:54,679 --> 01:49:59,920
Dems sexy that' be cool Dem heat sinks

1532
01:49:58,599 --> 01:50:08,000
that RAM yep that custom rack I was just that

1533
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:09,639
rack wow um so he he he commissioned

1534
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:12,920
this rack it's you can you can get custom design racks from I don't

1535
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:17,719
remember the guy's name I've heard they plastic surgeons that do

1536
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:22,480
that this guy does it with a luminum aluminum custom design racks that is

1537
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:28,400
some space aged stuff you got going on there armor rack armor you know maybe

1538
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:32,000
that explains chicks NVIDIA games

1539
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:34,320
right that's why their boobs are so big

1540
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:37,960
because they're armor they H right because they it's for plaing on the

1541
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:42,800
inside because they patted the bra because they have poor

1542
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:46,079
self-esteem then they had to wear armor

1543
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:46,079
then there's clothing over

1544
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:52,480
top solve that mystery

1545
01:50:54,480 --> 01:51:03,000
what now ESRB

1546
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:03,000
anyways sorry we've done this a

1547
01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:08,880
lot had to make it interesting somehow this is a freaking awesome build and I'm

1548
01:51:07,199 --> 01:51:12,840
super stoked that wher did it and this is purely for folding as far as I know I

1549
01:51:11,719 --> 01:51:18,320
don't think he does anything with this system other than fold and it gets some

1550
01:51:15,159 --> 01:51:21,560
like monstrous number of I think it's

1551
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:22,599
350,000 PPI or pbd pbd I think it's

1552
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:29,679
called something ridiculous I mean wher's Far and Away the uh biggest contributor to the lus tech tips for

1553
01:51:26,079 --> 01:51:31,520
unfolding team dude you're awesome and I

1554
01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:36,079
think that pretty much wraps it up for the WAN Show this week thank you for

1555
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:40,360
tuning in or I don't know it's not live anymore so thanks for watching the

1556
01:51:38,199 --> 01:51:48,320
archive thanks for watching the archive yo peace bye hopefully it worked this

1557
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:48,320
time yeah I know right