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here it is NVIDIA's new RTX 580 compared

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to its predecessor the 4080 super it is around 15% faster in games that use its

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new features it's faster in AI as long as you don't need more than 16 gigs of

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RAM for your model it's more efficient even though it draws more power overall

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and it's got a great cooler design as long as you don't mind heating up your

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CPU and that's it that's the most positive spin we can put on this thing

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why the do we need all of these caveats

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when we say the new one is better than the old one I mean isn't the point of

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the new one to be clearly and substantially better well it is better

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in cranked out cyberpunk at 4K it not only beats the 480 super but it even

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gives the 490 a run for its money but it's such a mixed bag that in other

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situations it barely out competes the 7900 XTX the flagship GPU that made AMD

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think you know maybe we just shouldn't do flagships anymore hey class half full

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at least they didn't raise the price and we did find some situations where the 80

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offers up pretty compelling use case and if you don't mind the weirdness of

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generated frames maybe NVIDIA is onto something with the neural rendering

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stuff we're going to tell you more about it after I nearly render a better way to

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sell your used

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Hardware is it available

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yeah is it available yeah again is it

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available just let her sponsor Jawa buy your old

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gpus no need for more stupid questions yeah so are you

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interested before we explore the wildlands of AI assisted rendering let's

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get our bearings with some good oldfashioned 1440p results all raster no

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DLS upscaling or rate tracing in cyberpunk the 580 makes a great first

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impression with a 20% lead over the 480 super then in Allen wake the 580 brings

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a decent generation uplift that brings 1% low FPS into the triple digits but

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also it uh only barely outpaces the 7900 XTX here in f124 things look even less

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exciting with the 580 failing to overtake AMD's now 2-year-old Flagship

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and only offering a measly 7ish per uplift over the 480 super does it get

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any better no no again and triple no why

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does the last gen 4070 TI super make everything else here look like an

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overpriced joke at least Blackmouth Wukong provides a reason for the 580 to

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exist but overall I'm just kind of getting sad reading you all these charts

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and you can expect a roughly 10% uplift over the 480 super and just 7% over the

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7900 XTX if you're curious about the 480 nons super there's a reason we called it

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the 480 cheaper it performs basically identically and you can't buy it anymore

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so we opted to use our limited graph space for older cards that might actually be worth upgrading from all

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right well maybe the story changes at 4K oh yeah okay so it's a bit Happ

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happier but this feels a little bit like going from Bridge to Terabithia to Dead

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Poet Society on average the 80 takes a

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commanding 18% lead over its predecessor which is good but that parade gets

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somewhat rained on by its mere 10% lead over the 7900 XTX there are a couple of

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standouts that Merit specific mention here black myth Wukong has the 580

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taking a price appropriate lead over the 7900 XTX with a worthwhile uplift over

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the 480 super and that's also true in cyberpunk where

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again the 80 nearly catches the 4090

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losing only in the less important average FPS but that one result there

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it's less of a trend and more of just an outlier in other titles it seems like

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the 80 is content to just be its disappointing self better but not better

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enough of course NVIDIA doesn't think that traditional raster rendering is the

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way forward no their way forward is with the AI GPU Hardware that made them the

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most valuable company in the world and any conflicting data would almost

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certainly mean a cratering stock price so with the AI boom in mind NVIDIA

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focused most of their architectural upgrades on that if you want to learn

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more about the architectural and Technology upgrades we highly recommend

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you check out our 5090 review where we spend a bit more time explaining what

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everything means what really matters for gamers is how this car differs from the

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4080 and 4080 super it's not much we're

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still on tsmc's 4N process node but at the same MSRP we get get four more

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streaming multiprocessors in the 480 super along with a clock speed bump and

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a memory swap from 16 GB of gdr 6X to 16

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GB of gdr 7 that all explains why raw gaming performance isn't improved much

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the bigger improvements come in the form of Next Generation NVIDIA Ray tracing RT

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cores and AI accelerating tensor cores the tensor cores also now have Hardware

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support for fp4 calculations for improved performance and memory usage

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with lightweight AI models and are more tightly integrated with Cuda course to

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make way for the Sci-Fi sound in neural rendering for hypothetical future Gamers

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these neural rendering techniques actually sound really cool and they might turn out great but Gamers

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shouldn't feel pressure to upgrade until a must playay title that uses them hits

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the steam store instead feel pressured to buy our Precision multi-bit

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screwdriver bundle from LTT Store.com anywh who those working with high-end

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video might upgrade for the New Media engine on the 5000 series that provides

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support for 422 chroma sub sampling in a nutshell this means much higher quality

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Hardware accelerated video encoding which will be a boon for professionals

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and anyone who likes streaming games to a hand old or lightweight decoding box

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we're also stoked about DisplayPort 2.1 uhb 20 the 580 can drive 4K 240 HZ with

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no display stream compression and even go higher with DSC which doesn't impact

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image quality as far as our eyes can perceive that means no compromises

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between image quality and latency and responsiveness let's move on to Ray

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tracing where yeah NVIDIA is really just competing against themselves here but is

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more big titles list Ray tracing as a minimum requirement it's becoming

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something that just can can't be brushed off which is a problem for AMD at 1440p

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while AMD can survive lightly rate traced games the path tracing found in

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Allen wake and Blackmouth Wukong make AMD look like an 8-year-old kid made it

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onto the field at an NFL game hopefully that will change with AMD's 9000 series

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of gpus but we don't know for sure today across our suite of games the 80

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maintains the same performance margin over the 480 super that we saw in our raster tests but fails to scale as well

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as the 490 does into 4K maybe the 490 is extra RT cors give it the edge or maybe

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it's the vram check out this result in Allan Wake 2 why did so many cards fail

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miserably guess now did you say lack of vram well you're right and if you didn't

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say lack of vram pretend that you did 4K path traced Allen wake asks for over 15

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GB of vram on 50 Series cards and over 16 on AMD cards anything less and it's

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wholly unplayable well we can't say that it causes a performance hit on the 580

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it highlights just how skimpy 16 GB of vram feels on a $1,000

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card and how close we are to a future where it's necessary for high-end gaming

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and the more frustrating thing is that if you want more vram from Team Green

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you literally have to spend twice as much for a 5090 or go back a generation

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or two I digress the rest of the 4K RT

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results show that the 580 is still a mean green ray tracing machine it's just

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not that much meaner than the 4080 super another disappointing result for the

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5,000 series for productivity the story is more mixed while it doesn't do much

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to impress in our blender render in Premiere Pro we can see that the updated

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media engine on the new 50 Series puts in the work beating the 4090 by 5% with

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a similar lead in Da Vinci resolve we'd love to talk about improvements to

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encoding but we're working on our benchmarks for that let us cook but who

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needs to shoot and edit videos when you could just generate garbage while

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wasting precious Earthly resources in AI

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the 5080 manages a 20% lead over the 4080 super in our Tex generation

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benchmarks with the only Hiccup being a smaller lead in our 53.5

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in our stable diffusion image generation benchmarks we see 16 is% improvement

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over the 4080 super which is cool I guess sadly a lack of vram will limit

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the models you can play with wamp wamp but this is positioned as a gaming card

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so let's talk about the AI that makes games run good D lss4 is a massive

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overhaul from dss3 it switches from a CNN model to a Transformer model if you

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want to learn more about the theory you should check out our 5090 review what it

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means in practice is that dss4 allows for better image quality at the same

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settings with some caveats of course it's the 50 Series there's going to be

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caveats there's a performance hit using the new Transformer model while the

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effect is mild for things like super resolution digital Foundry saw that

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older cards can take a real hit from enabling certain features with the new model but it scales better which means

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that the 50 Series and all of its tensor core huta generates up to three frames

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for every rendered frame essentially quadrupling your FPS multiframe gen is

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impressive and despite generating so many frames the tech does not impact

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latency substantially at least over top of your base frame rate sadly more

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frames is not more performance if you were to run a game natively at 30 FPS

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each frame would have 33 milliseconds of latency running at 60 FPS would half

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your latency to

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16.66% 33 milliseconds of latency which is 25 milliseconds worse than rendering

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120 FPS natively a large disparity

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meanwhile if you quadruple your 12 FPS game to 480 FPS well that only results

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in about a 6 millisecond difference in latency Which is far less noticeable but

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here's the kicker MFG has a performance overhead that will reduce your base

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frame rate and the more frames you gen the more overhead you need to contend

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with that's why we don't see a literal quadrupling of frames this means that

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using it to bump up an already low frame rate will make it feel even worse to

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play as it adds more latency there's a ton of nuance to this deck and we would

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recommend checking out Hardware unbox excellent video on it the good news is

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that multiframe gen scales about as well in the 5080 as it did on the 5090

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hopefully this trend carries forward to the lower 50 Series because it did not

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carry over to the lower end of the 40 series sheesh so tldr the higher your

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base frame rate the better your frame gen will feel but the less you need it

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NVIDIA likes to pretend that frame gen is comparable to Native rendering in their marketing but it's just not should

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you forgo MFG and just stick with the new dss4 Transformer model on the 80

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you'll see about a 5% % lower frame rate for the improved image quality and we

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think it's worth the tradeoff now all of this talk of frame rates and latency might have you wondering how does the

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580 fair in Esports well it does a dang good job we didn't test the rest of the

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lineup today because frankly any of the high-end cards will give you a great experience in Esports titles but this is

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a reminder that despite our Dow and disappointed tone it's still a very

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high-end very performant card and that also means it has big Power draw the

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5080 gets the same sleek and Innovative double flowr cooler as the 5090 allowing

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it to stay at a reasonable 70° in combuster despite pulling as much as 403

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Watts if you're going to small form factor you're far less likely to bump up

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against the thermal limits of this car than with the 5090 when gaming the

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average atts drop further to 65° thanks to the lower power budget in f124 we see

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the 580 pulling an average of 337 Watts

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nearly 15% more than the 480 super this

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Nets around 14% more frames which indicates no efficiency gains just like

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we saw in the 5090 by feeling deflated me too taking

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everything into account we have a Next Generation card that outperforms its

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last gen counterpart by 10 to 20% using roughly 15% more power I mean at least

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the price is the same that's that's good even then it feels like it could have

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been a midcycle refresh or a 4080 TI given it doesn't catch the 490 and raw

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performance something we really hoped it would do at best if you're considering

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the 480 super the 80 might be enough to push you over the edge to buy at least

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at MSRP but that's the hardest working s in the world because last gen cards are

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nearly impossible to find at NVIDIA's suggested price and if the 5090 is

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anything to go by this generation will be the same or even

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worse it feels like NVIDIA just doesn't care much about Gamers and that's

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because they don't they care about AI That's What made them one of the most

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valuable companies in the world and they're trying to use their large market share to move the market in their

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Direction they're saying no no no no no you don't want more raster what the

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wants nay what it needs is AI and AI

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just so happens to need the proprietary features enabled by the chips that we

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produce I get it if they were to admit that AI Hardware wasn't the solution to

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every conceivable problem then it would crater their stock price a thing that

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actually just happened on Monday the moment a Chinese AI company with limited

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access to NVIDIA's best AI Hardware supposedly overtook chat GPT team

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Green's stock dropped 17 points if the hype for AI and more specifically to

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them AI Hardware deflates Jensen might have to trade his crocodile leather

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jacket for a regular leather jacket but with all of that said without a clear

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competitor in the GPU space and video will still sell a buttload of these to

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Gamers and will continue to drive the industry in the direction of they're choosing so until AMD or Intel brings

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the Heat this is what we got really kind

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of feels like the Intel uh hey that's a nice quad core you got there how about

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this shiny new quad core days all I can

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do is hope at this point then that NVIDIA can nearly render some more

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innovative ideas before they suffer the same eventual fate that Intel did just

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