here it is NVIDIA's new RTX 580 compared
to its predecessor the 4080 super it is around 15% faster in games that use its
new features it's faster in AI as long as you don't need more than 16 gigs of
RAM for your model it's more efficient even though it draws more power overall
and it's got a great cooler design as long as you don't mind heating up your
CPU and that's it that's the most positive spin we can put on this thing
why the do we need all of these caveats
when we say the new one is better than the old one I mean isn't the point of
the new one to be clearly and substantially better well it is better
in cranked out cyberpunk at 4K it not only beats the 480 super but it even
gives the 490 a run for its money but it's such a mixed bag that in other
situations it barely out competes the 7900 XTX the flagship GPU that made AMD
think you know maybe we just shouldn't do flagships anymore hey class half full
at least they didn't raise the price and we did find some situations where the 80
offers up pretty compelling use case and if you don't mind the weirdness of
generated frames maybe NVIDIA is onto something with the neural rendering
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interested before we explore the wildlands of AI assisted rendering let's
get our bearings with some good oldfashioned 1440p results all raster no
DLS upscaling or rate tracing in cyberpunk the 580 makes a great first
impression with a 20% lead over the 480 super then in Allen wake the 580 brings
a decent generation uplift that brings 1% low FPS into the triple digits but
also it uh only barely outpaces the 7900 XTX here in f124 things look even less
exciting with the 580 failing to overtake AMD's now 2-year-old Flagship
and only offering a measly 7ish per uplift over the 480 super does it get
any better no no again and triple no why
does the last gen 4070 TI super make everything else here look like an
overpriced joke at least Blackmouth Wukong provides a reason for the 580 to
exist but overall I'm just kind of getting sad reading you all these charts
and you can expect a roughly 10% uplift over the 480 super and just 7% over the
7900 XTX if you're curious about the 480 nons super there's a reason we called it
the 480 cheaper it performs basically identically and you can't buy it anymore
so we opted to use our limited graph space for older cards that might actually be worth upgrading from all
right well maybe the story changes at 4K oh yeah okay so it's a bit Happ
happier but this feels a little bit like going from Bridge to Terabithia to Dead
Poet Society on average the 80 takes a
commanding 18% lead over its predecessor which is good but that parade gets
somewhat rained on by its mere 10% lead over the 7900 XTX there are a couple of
standouts that Merit specific mention here black myth Wukong has the 580
taking a price appropriate lead over the 7900 XTX with a worthwhile uplift over
the 480 super and that's also true in cyberpunk where
again the 80 nearly catches the 4090
losing only in the less important average FPS but that one result there
it's less of a trend and more of just an outlier in other titles it seems like
the 80 is content to just be its disappointing self better but not better
enough of course NVIDIA doesn't think that traditional raster rendering is the
way forward no their way forward is with the AI GPU Hardware that made them the
most valuable company in the world and any conflicting data would almost
certainly mean a cratering stock price so with the AI boom in mind NVIDIA
focused most of their architectural upgrades on that if you want to learn
more about the architectural and Technology upgrades we highly recommend
you check out our 5090 review where we spend a bit more time explaining what
everything means what really matters for gamers is how this car differs from the
4080 and 4080 super it's not much we're
still on tsmc's 4N process node but at the same MSRP we get get four more
streaming multiprocessors in the 480 super along with a clock speed bump and
a memory swap from 16 GB of gdr 6X to 16
GB of gdr 7 that all explains why raw gaming performance isn't improved much
the bigger improvements come in the form of Next Generation NVIDIA Ray tracing RT
cores and AI accelerating tensor cores the tensor cores also now have Hardware
support for fp4 calculations for improved performance and memory usage
with lightweight AI models and are more tightly integrated with Cuda course to
make way for the Sci-Fi sound in neural rendering for hypothetical future Gamers
these neural rendering techniques actually sound really cool and they might turn out great but Gamers
shouldn't feel pressure to upgrade until a must playay title that uses them hits
the steam store instead feel pressured to buy our Precision multi-bit
screwdriver bundle from LTT Store.com anywh who those working with high-end
video might upgrade for the New Media engine on the 5000 series that provides
support for 422 chroma sub sampling in a nutshell this means much higher quality
Hardware accelerated video encoding which will be a boon for professionals
and anyone who likes streaming games to a hand old or lightweight decoding box
we're also stoked about DisplayPort 2.1 uhb 20 the 580 can drive 4K 240 HZ with
no display stream compression and even go higher with DSC which doesn't impact
image quality as far as our eyes can perceive that means no compromises
between image quality and latency and responsiveness let's move on to Ray
tracing where yeah NVIDIA is really just competing against themselves here but is
more big titles list Ray tracing as a minimum requirement it's becoming
something that just can can't be brushed off which is a problem for AMD at 1440p
while AMD can survive lightly rate traced games the path tracing found in
Allen wake and Blackmouth Wukong make AMD look like an 8-year-old kid made it
onto the field at an NFL game hopefully that will change with AMD's 9000 series
of gpus but we don't know for sure today across our suite of games the 80
maintains the same performance margin over the 480 super that we saw in our raster tests but fails to scale as well
as the 490 does into 4K maybe the 490 is extra RT cors give it the edge or maybe
it's the vram check out this result in Allan Wake 2 why did so many cards fail
miserably guess now did you say lack of vram well you're right and if you didn't
say lack of vram pretend that you did 4K path traced Allen wake asks for over 15
GB of vram on 50 Series cards and over 16 on AMD cards anything less and it's
wholly unplayable well we can't say that it causes a performance hit on the 580
it highlights just how skimpy 16 GB of vram feels on a $1,000
card and how close we are to a future where it's necessary for high-end gaming
and the more frustrating thing is that if you want more vram from Team Green
you literally have to spend twice as much for a 5090 or go back a generation
or two I digress the rest of the 4K RT
results show that the 580 is still a mean green ray tracing machine it's just
not that much meaner than the 4080 super another disappointing result for the
5,000 series for productivity the story is more mixed while it doesn't do much
to impress in our blender render in Premiere Pro we can see that the updated
media engine on the new 50 Series puts in the work beating the 4090 by 5% with
a similar lead in Da Vinci resolve we'd love to talk about improvements to
encoding but we're working on our benchmarks for that let us cook but who
needs to shoot and edit videos when you could just generate garbage while
wasting precious Earthly resources in AI
the 5080 manages a 20% lead over the 4080 super in our Tex generation
benchmarks with the only Hiccup being a smaller lead in our 53.5
in our stable diffusion image generation benchmarks we see 16 is% improvement
over the 4080 super which is cool I guess sadly a lack of vram will limit
the models you can play with wamp wamp but this is positioned as a gaming card
so let's talk about the AI that makes games run good D lss4 is a massive
overhaul from dss3 it switches from a CNN model to a Transformer model if you
want to learn more about the theory you should check out our 5090 review what it
means in practice is that dss4 allows for better image quality at the same
settings with some caveats of course it's the 50 Series there's going to be
caveats there's a performance hit using the new Transformer model while the
effect is mild for things like super resolution digital Foundry saw that
older cards can take a real hit from enabling certain features with the new model but it scales better which means
that the 50 Series and all of its tensor core huta generates up to three frames
for every rendered frame essentially quadrupling your FPS multiframe gen is
impressive and despite generating so many frames the tech does not impact
latency substantially at least over top of your base frame rate sadly more
frames is not more performance if you were to run a game natively at 30 FPS
each frame would have 33 milliseconds of latency running at 60 FPS would half
your latency to
16.66% 33 milliseconds of latency which is 25 milliseconds worse than rendering
120 FPS natively a large disparity
meanwhile if you quadruple your 12 FPS game to 480 FPS well that only results
in about a 6 millisecond difference in latency Which is far less noticeable but
here's the kicker MFG has a performance overhead that will reduce your base
frame rate and the more frames you gen the more overhead you need to contend
with that's why we don't see a literal quadrupling of frames this means that
using it to bump up an already low frame rate will make it feel even worse to
play as it adds more latency there's a ton of nuance to this deck and we would
recommend checking out Hardware unbox excellent video on it the good news is
that multiframe gen scales about as well in the 5080 as it did on the 5090
hopefully this trend carries forward to the lower 50 Series because it did not
carry over to the lower end of the 40 series sheesh so tldr the higher your
base frame rate the better your frame gen will feel but the less you need it
NVIDIA likes to pretend that frame gen is comparable to Native rendering in their marketing but it's just not should
you forgo MFG and just stick with the new dss4 Transformer model on the 80
you'll see about a 5% % lower frame rate for the improved image quality and we
think it's worth the tradeoff now all of this talk of frame rates and latency might have you wondering how does the
580 fair in Esports well it does a dang good job we didn't test the rest of the
lineup today because frankly any of the high-end cards will give you a great experience in Esports titles but this is
a reminder that despite our Dow and disappointed tone it's still a very
high-end very performant card and that also means it has big Power draw the
5080 gets the same sleek and Innovative double flowr cooler as the 5090 allowing
it to stay at a reasonable 70° in combuster despite pulling as much as 403
Watts if you're going to small form factor you're far less likely to bump up
against the thermal limits of this car than with the 5090 when gaming the
average atts drop further to 65° thanks to the lower power budget in f124 we see
the 580 pulling an average of 337 Watts
nearly 15% more than the 480 super this
Nets around 14% more frames which indicates no efficiency gains just like
we saw in the 5090 by feeling deflated me too taking
everything into account we have a Next Generation card that outperforms its
last gen counterpart by 10 to 20% using roughly 15% more power I mean at least
the price is the same that's that's good even then it feels like it could have
been a midcycle refresh or a 4080 TI given it doesn't catch the 490 and raw
performance something we really hoped it would do at best if you're considering
the 480 super the 80 might be enough to push you over the edge to buy at least
at MSRP but that's the hardest working s in the world because last gen cards are
nearly impossible to find at NVIDIA's suggested price and if the 5090 is
anything to go by this generation will be the same or even
worse it feels like NVIDIA just doesn't care much about Gamers and that's
because they don't they care about AI That's What made them one of the most
valuable companies in the world and they're trying to use their large market share to move the market in their
Direction they're saying no no no no no you don't want more raster what the
wants nay what it needs is AI and AI
just so happens to need the proprietary features enabled by the chips that we
produce I get it if they were to admit that AI Hardware wasn't the solution to
every conceivable problem then it would crater their stock price a thing that
actually just happened on Monday the moment a Chinese AI company with limited
access to NVIDIA's best AI Hardware supposedly overtook chat GPT team
Green's stock dropped 17 points if the hype for AI and more specifically to
them AI Hardware deflates Jensen might have to trade his crocodile leather
jacket for a regular leather jacket but with all of that said without a clear
competitor in the GPU space and video will still sell a buttload of these to
Gamers and will continue to drive the industry in the direction of they're choosing so until AMD or Intel brings
the Heat this is what we got really kind
of feels like the Intel uh hey that's a nice quad core you got there how about
this shiny new quad core days all I can
do is hope at this point then that NVIDIA can nearly render some more
innovative ideas before they suffer the same eventual fate that Intel did just
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