WEBVTT 00:00:00.060 --> 00:00:06.620 they said two years of support was enough they said if you want a new CPU 00:00:04.920 --> 00:00:11.519 you'll have to buy a new motherboard ASRock said no 00:00:09.059 --> 00:00:17.039 that's right it started out as a hacky workaround but on January 12 2022 ASRock 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:22.920 rolled out official support for installing a brand new AMD processor in 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:25.260 a motherboard from four years ago which 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:30.119 raises some burning questions like if AMD and ASRock can do it why can't Intel 00:00:27.840 --> 00:00:35.100 and is this one of those situations where just because you can do something 00:00:32.460 --> 00:00:37.980 doesn't mean you should it's a situation where I'm going to tell you about our 00:00:36.059 --> 00:00:40.920 sponsor that's for sure thanks to Kemp for sponsoring today's video Kemp 00:00:39.360 --> 00:00:44.219 develops load balancers that provide maximum reliability for 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and b550 chipsets now they 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:41.159 quickly backpedaled and added official support for b450 and x470 but the 00:01:38.820 --> 00:01:45.840 messaging was That's all folks we're doing you a favor here don't expect it 00:01:43.020 --> 00:01:50.460 to get any better and yet here we are all the way in 2022 discovering that 00:01:48.479 --> 00:01:55.439 their original promise ended up being true at least to a point 00:01:52.860 --> 00:01:59.579 meanwhile Intel strategy for over 10 years has been to release a new socket 00:01:57.360 --> 00:02:03.960 almost every other generation like clockwork physically breaking 00:02:01.619 --> 00:02:08.099 compatibility so there's been no way to challenge their narrative that we needed 00:02:05.820 --> 00:02:13.340 a new motherboard every time around but then something happened a few years ago 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:20.459 socket H4 more commonly known as LGA 1151 lasted for four whole generations 00:02:17.160 --> 00:02:22.800 of chips but Intel still stuck to their 00:02:20.459 --> 00:02:28.739 story that the early boards couldn't run with the later chips and vice versa now 00:02:26.220 --> 00:02:34.500 to be fair while the socket and the pin layout itself hadn't changed allocation 00:02:31.440 --> 00:02:36.360 and usage did change for coffee Lake 00:02:34.500 --> 00:02:40.620 which was the third generation of chips on this socket some of the previously 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:45.000 reserved pins were reassigned to add power and ground lines to meet the 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:50.459 requirements on beefier 6 and 8 core CPUs that's pretty understandable but 00:02:48.060 --> 00:02:56.580 Intel also relocated the processor detection pin breaking compatibility 00:02:52.860 --> 00:02:59.099 they called this socket LG 1151 revision 00:02:56.580 --> 00:03:03.780 2 in order to help differentiate but stuff like that is a big part of why so 00:03:02.220 --> 00:03:08.459 many people find building computers complicated it can be scary spending 00:03:06.300 --> 00:03:13.739 hundreds or even thousands of dollars on Parts only to find out that yes they fit 00:03:11.519 --> 00:03:17.580 together but they don't actually work together unlike our processor hoodie it 00:03:16.440 --> 00:03:21.840 goes great with just about anything lttstore.com 00:03:19.440 --> 00:03:26.220 practices like these are a big part of why we and the majority of the PC 00:03:23.760 --> 00:03:29.819 industry don't advise you to attempt to Future proof your build because no 00:03:28.200 --> 00:03:34.860 matter what you do it's only going to get you so far whether it's the next 00:03:31.620 --> 00:03:36.780 generation of RAM PCI Express or even IO 00:03:34.860 --> 00:03:41.280 how many of you wish you had a USBC port for example there is simply no way to 00:03:39.540 --> 00:03:45.299 guess which investments into better parts will bear fruit and which ones 00:03:43.440 --> 00:03:52.440 will end up having been just a waste of money unless you believed AMD an ASRock for 00:03:49.379 --> 00:03:56.640 that matter back in 2016 and splurged on 00:03:52.440 --> 00:03:59.159 this motherboard the ASRock x370 Pro 4. 00:03:56.640 --> 00:04:02.760 the idea at the time was that if you were a Savvy Shopper you could save a 00:04:01.140 --> 00:04:08.580 few bucks by going with an affordable Bristol Ridge Athlon X4 chip and then 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:12.480 hold off an upgrade later when either you had some more cash or you took 00:04:10.799 --> 00:04:16.859 advantage of one of the best practices by trailing the bleeding edge by a 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:22.139 generation of soap so you might have waited until ryzen 2000 launched and 00:04:19.320 --> 00:04:28.460 then snagged a snappier ryzen 1500x from someone who was upgrading then and that 00:04:24.840 --> 00:04:32.280 is Savvy why don't we do some role play 00:04:28.460 --> 00:04:33.120 I'm you boy yours haven't treated you 00:04:32.280 --> 00:04:38.639 well but they've been a lot less kind to your 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:42.479 poor four core eight thread CPU with its 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:44.580 piddly 16 megabytes of level 3 cash now 00:04:42.479 --> 00:04:49.020 here's the thing remember I'm you I don't want to download some hacky BIOS 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:53.340 from a Russian Forum so I'm going to the CPU support section on my motherboard's 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:58.580 download page and would you look at that it's there 00:04:56.520 --> 00:05:04.380 so for just 270 dollars for a 5600x that is what my 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:09.479 dumb friends will end up paying for their new Intel motherboard alone I'm 00:05:07.320 --> 00:05:15.660 going to be on the latest generation I can get wrecked but there are some 00:05:12.840 --> 00:05:20.040 catches unlike my friends I will not be getting Cutting Edge features like PCI 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:25.080 Express Gen 5 or even Gen 4 for that matter I'm gonna have to update the BIOS 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:30.180 of my motherboard to piece 7.10 which removes compatibility for older chips 00:05:27.419 --> 00:05:34.380 which can carry some risk and unless I want to invest more money into my 00:05:32.039 --> 00:05:40.320 machine say by upgrading my original ddr4 to something faster I might not be 00:05:37.620 --> 00:05:45.360 getting the most out of my new chip so am I actually getting a good deal let's 00:05:42.419 --> 00:05:49.100 test it out now short of a power outage occurring in the middle of BIOS flashing 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:55.680 you should be okay if you follow along we had to get this specific board the 00:05:52.259 --> 00:05:57.539 x370 Pro 4 but on the ASRock Forum we 00:05:55.680 --> 00:06:02.580 already found evidence that support is rolling out to x370 boards more broadly 00:06:00.300 --> 00:06:07.680 and we've heard rumors that other manufacturers may follow suit so all we 00:06:05.340 --> 00:06:12.180 need is our test bench here some peripherals a USB drive and we're going 00:06:10.740 --> 00:06:15.240 to have links for all this stuff in the description down below we'll also need 00:06:13.979 --> 00:06:19.139 an internet connection so you're going to want to unzip your 00:06:17.039 --> 00:06:24.539 new BIOS and drop it onto an otherwise empty fat 32 USB flash drive that 32 is 00:06:23.039 --> 00:06:29.160 still the default when you format in Windows for lower capacity drives but if 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:32.580 you want to double check you can just look in the properties once your drive 00:06:30.780 --> 00:06:38.160 is plugged in once you're ready restart the system and mash or hold F2 or delete 00:06:35.580 --> 00:06:44.819 to enter the UEFI BIOS now we're going to ignore the majority of this and just 00:06:40.259 --> 00:06:47.340 go to the tool tab hey I get it 00:06:44.819 --> 00:06:52.380 that's not funny and select instant Flash and steal 00:06:50.460 --> 00:06:56.819 yourself because once we take this next step there is no turning back the bridge 00:06:54.840 --> 00:07:02.039 BIOS that we're going to use remove support for Bristol Ridge CPUs and 00:06:59.280 --> 00:07:06.840 cannot be unflashed at least according to asrock's website so we're going to do 00:07:04.020 --> 00:07:11.340 this BIOS then another one and we should be 00:07:08.580 --> 00:07:16.020 ready for ryzen 5000. oh and I hope you're ready because we've got a video 00:07:12.900 --> 00:07:17.160 upcoming about GPU shunt modding that 00:07:16.020 --> 00:07:22.020 you're going to want to be subscribed to you do not miss 00:07:19.020 --> 00:07:23.639 this is going to take a minute so and 00:07:22.020 --> 00:07:28.620 reboot what's that no I like mashing it I'm a 00:07:26.699 --> 00:07:32.280 Masher I want to make sure that's the correct version we actually should have 00:07:29.940 --> 00:07:38.960 done that before do you want to update yes I do hopefully we have all the 00:07:36.300 --> 00:07:44.819 secure flash check fail whoa and it's off I mean I did say this 00:07:42.419 --> 00:07:47.940 process wasn't without risk didn't I I looked it up and apparently this can 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:53.280 come up when you're using a thumb drive with too much capacity which is exactly 00:07:50.819 --> 00:08:00.060 why I keep this piece of crap in my little bag of tricks it's a one gig pen 00:07:56.280 --> 00:08:02.340 drive completely generic USB 2 00:08:00.060 --> 00:08:07.500 and we're gonna throw the BIOS file on there 00:08:04.020 --> 00:08:09.120 fatty 32 is what I call this boy it's my 00:08:07.500 --> 00:08:12.840 fatty 32 oh there it is yes it's got it come on 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:17.639 come on come on come on come on come on come on come on yeah yeah all right 00:08:14.960 --> 00:08:21.539 fatty 32 to the rescue all right well we don't actually want to 00:08:19.500 --> 00:08:26.400 boot right now because we are going to put a 5600 x in 00:08:24.780 --> 00:08:30.900 ow we are gonna put a 5600x in this mama 00:08:29.400 --> 00:08:35.940 jama okay come on now we're gonna try it's 00:08:33.839 --> 00:08:39.740 gonna do its best to defend its socket from us 00:08:37.260 --> 00:08:39.740 okay 00:08:40.740 --> 00:08:47.220 pre-apply thermal paste yeah yeah blue subset that I am reusing the thermal 00:08:45.420 --> 00:08:51.480 paste on the bottom of the heat sink if we were doing any kind of comparative 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:55.740 thermal analysis obviously I would reapply fresh paste but we're not we're 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:59.760 just getting it running and this is fine everything's fine everything is good 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:03.420 here catch no I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna throw it 00:09:01.560 --> 00:09:10.620 jeez you guys give me no credit around here okay new CPU installed 00:09:06.680 --> 00:09:12.240 structure trained and Pueblo yes reset 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:15.899 and this is where we would lose all of our data why is this on here if we had 00:09:14.459 --> 00:09:20.459 been using was that on my shoulder the whole time yeah oh for crying out loud I 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:26.700 wanted to change to a shirt you can actually buy on lttstore.com 00:09:23.880 --> 00:09:31.620 oh look at that look at that it sure didn't go to 3200 00:09:30.060 --> 00:09:36.540 it's at 2133 all right so we're gonna have to try and re-enable our docp 00:09:34.380 --> 00:09:39.779 memory profile here I don't know what to expect in terms of memory speeds 00:09:38.160 --> 00:09:44.220 obviously we're getting a much newer memory controller but I also know that 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:48.899 motherboard manufacturers have learned a heck of a lot about optimal memory Trace 00:09:46.860 --> 00:09:55.320 layouts for ryzen in the last four years so maybe this will just 00:09:51.660 --> 00:09:57.660 go and maybe it'll go 00:09:55.320 --> 00:10:02.820 I don't know and remember you can't have success without suck sorry I'm in a bit 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:06.660 of a mood today I swear I'm fine and there we go right to 3200 no complaints 00:10:05.339 --> 00:10:11.120 whatsoever we haven't done any stability testing or anything but that's 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:15.240 definitely a good sign melee melee I don't know how to lay in 00:10:13.500 --> 00:10:18.839 this game oh yeah you got to switch to the knife okay I'm gonna get them I'm 00:10:17.220 --> 00:10:21.080 gonna get them foreign 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:33.480 but that's okay because the 5600x in our 00:10:29.640 --> 00:10:36.779 ancient x370 motherboard did not get 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:39.180 beat by an x570 board that's right 00:10:36.779 --> 00:10:41.399 where'd it go where's my x574 there it is over there 00:10:40.260 --> 00:10:48.899 okay technically technically we came out 00:10:44.700 --> 00:10:50.160 behind RX 570 board by about 15 FPS in 00:10:48.899 --> 00:10:55.500 CS go but we're talking the difference between 00:10:52.220 --> 00:10:58.200 545 frames per second and 560. so it's 00:10:55.500 --> 00:11:04.200 not exactly a big deal crazily enough we actually came out ahead in F1 2020 so 00:11:01.620 --> 00:11:09.240 not only is our ancient board not causing any problems with a pretty 00:11:06.420 --> 00:11:15.420 powerful graphics card an RTX 2080 super our PCI Express gen 3 bottleneck isn't 00:11:13.560 --> 00:11:21.180 causing any bottlenecks for us at all again I can't speak to the future but 00:11:18.540 --> 00:11:24.720 come on guys do you want more future out of this 00:11:22.140 --> 00:11:28.740 it's doing pretty well it all just goes to show you that sometimes trusting a 00:11:26.940 --> 00:11:33.720 company's promise of years of support and spending a little bit more actually 00:11:31.260 --> 00:11:38.279 can pay off at least one time it's happened we did 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:43.140 still obviously need to buy a new CPU but we can keep the rest of our system 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:47.820 exactly as it is and get a massive uplift in performance with significantly 00:11:45.779 --> 00:11:53.160 higher boosting capabilities twice the level 3 cash for our 1500x not to 00:11:50.040 --> 00:11:56.100 mention two more cores now over on the 00:11:53.160 --> 00:12:01.680 Intel side of things LGA 1200 was just put out to pasture after just two 00:11:58.140 --> 00:12:03.899 processor Generations an LGA 1700 has 00:12:01.680 --> 00:12:07.740 just launched and I don't think we've heard any kind of commitment to 00:12:05.640 --> 00:12:11.459 long-term support for that socket but the same is actually true on the AMD 00:12:09.540 --> 00:12:16.740 side of things officially they haven't committed to any kind of long-term date 00:12:13.920 --> 00:12:21.959 for their upcoming PCI Express Gen 5 and ddr5 platform but based on the success 00:12:19.680 --> 00:12:26.399 that AMD has had with am4 I think consumers have signaled that longevity 00:12:24.060 --> 00:12:30.720 is something that they want to see more of and I think the entire industry could 00:12:28.680 --> 00:12:34.680 do better you know 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