they said two years of support was enough they said if you want a new CPU
you'll have to buy a new motherboard ASRock said no
that's right it started out as a hacky workaround but on January 12 2022 ASRock
rolled out official support for installing a brand new AMD processor in
a motherboard from four years ago which
raises some burning questions like if AMD and ASRock can do it why can't Intel
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AMD and their Partners have done an amazing job over the last five years or
so supporting both backward and forward compatibility between their multiple
generations of CPUs and chipsets on the am4 socket though it hasn't been without
hiccups at its launch in 2016 AMD
promised compatibility for the socket through 2020 only to pull the rug out
from under us when they announced that their Zen 3 ryzen 5000 series chips
would still use am4 but only with the
latest x570 and b550 chipsets now they
quickly backpedaled and added official support for b450 and x470 but the
messaging was That's all folks we're doing you a favor here don't expect it
to get any better and yet here we are all the way in 2022 discovering that
their original promise ended up being true at least to a point
meanwhile Intel strategy for over 10 years has been to release a new socket
almost every other generation like clockwork physically breaking
compatibility so there's been no way to challenge their narrative that we needed
a new motherboard every time around but then something happened a few years ago
socket H4 more commonly known as LGA 1151 lasted for four whole generations
of chips but Intel still stuck to their
story that the early boards couldn't run with the later chips and vice versa now
to be fair while the socket and the pin layout itself hadn't changed allocation
and usage did change for coffee Lake
which was the third generation of chips on this socket some of the previously
reserved pins were reassigned to add power and ground lines to meet the
requirements on beefier 6 and 8 core CPUs that's pretty understandable but
Intel also relocated the processor detection pin breaking compatibility
they called this socket LG 1151 revision
2 in order to help differentiate but stuff like that is a big part of why so
many people find building computers complicated it can be scary spending
hundreds or even thousands of dollars on Parts only to find out that yes they fit
together but they don't actually work together unlike our processor hoodie it
goes great with just about anything lttstore.com
practices like these are a big part of why we and the majority of the PC
industry don't advise you to attempt to Future proof your build because no
matter what you do it's only going to get you so far whether it's the next
generation of RAM PCI Express or even IO
how many of you wish you had a USBC port for example there is simply no way to
guess which investments into better parts will bear fruit and which ones
will end up having been just a waste of money unless you believed AMD an ASRock for
that matter back in 2016 and splurged on
this motherboard the ASRock x370 Pro 4.
the idea at the time was that if you were a Savvy Shopper you could save a
few bucks by going with an affordable Bristol Ridge Athlon X4 chip and then
hold off an upgrade later when either you had some more cash or you took
advantage of one of the best practices by trailing the bleeding edge by a
generation of soap so you might have waited until ryzen 2000 launched and
then snagged a snappier ryzen 1500x from someone who was upgrading then and that
is Savvy why don't we do some role play
I'm you boy yours haven't treated you
well but they've been a lot less kind to your
poor four core eight thread CPU with its
piddly 16 megabytes of level 3 cash now
here's the thing remember I'm you I don't want to download some hacky BIOS
from a Russian Forum so I'm going to the CPU support section on my motherboard's
download page and would you look at that it's there
so for just 270 dollars for a 5600x that is what my
dumb friends will end up paying for their new Intel motherboard alone I'm
going to be on the latest generation I can get wrecked but there are some
catches unlike my friends I will not be getting Cutting Edge features like PCI
Express Gen 5 or even Gen 4 for that matter I'm gonna have to update the BIOS
of my motherboard to piece 7.10 which removes compatibility for older chips
which can carry some risk and unless I want to invest more money into my
machine say by upgrading my original ddr4 to something faster I might not be
getting the most out of my new chip so am I actually getting a good deal let's
test it out now short of a power outage occurring in the middle of BIOS flashing
you should be okay if you follow along we had to get this specific board the
x370 Pro 4 but on the ASRock Forum we
already found evidence that support is rolling out to x370 boards more broadly
and we've heard rumors that other manufacturers may follow suit so all we
need is our test bench here some peripherals a USB drive and we're going
to have links for all this stuff in the description down below we'll also need
an internet connection so you're going to want to unzip your
new BIOS and drop it onto an otherwise empty fat 32 USB flash drive that 32 is
still the default when you format in Windows for lower capacity drives but if
you want to double check you can just look in the properties once your drive
is plugged in once you're ready restart the system and mash or hold F2 or delete
to enter the UEFI BIOS now we're going to ignore the majority of this and just
go to the tool tab hey I get it
that's not funny and select instant Flash and steal
yourself because once we take this next step there is no turning back the bridge
BIOS that we're going to use remove support for Bristol Ridge CPUs and
cannot be unflashed at least according to asrock's website so we're going to do
this BIOS then another one and we should be
ready for ryzen 5000. oh and I hope you're ready because we've got a video
upcoming about GPU shunt modding that
you're going to want to be subscribed to you do not miss
this is going to take a minute so and
reboot what's that no I like mashing it I'm a
Masher I want to make sure that's the correct version we actually should have
done that before do you want to update yes I do hopefully we have all the
secure flash check fail whoa and it's off I mean I did say this
process wasn't without risk didn't I I looked it up and apparently this can
come up when you're using a thumb drive with too much capacity which is exactly
why I keep this piece of crap in my little bag of tricks it's a one gig pen
drive completely generic USB 2
and we're gonna throw the BIOS file on there
fatty 32 is what I call this boy it's my
fatty 32 oh there it is yes it's got it come on
come on come on come on come on come on come on come on yeah yeah all right
fatty 32 to the rescue all right well we don't actually want to
boot right now because we are going to put a 5600 x in
ow we are gonna put a 5600x in this mama
jama okay come on now we're gonna try it's
gonna do its best to defend its socket from us
okay
pre-apply thermal paste yeah yeah blue subset that I am reusing the thermal
paste on the bottom of the heat sink if we were doing any kind of comparative
thermal analysis obviously I would reapply fresh paste but we're not we're
just getting it running and this is fine everything's fine everything is good
here catch no I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna throw it
jeez you guys give me no credit around here okay new CPU installed
structure trained and Pueblo yes reset
and this is where we would lose all of our data why is this on here if we had
been using was that on my shoulder the whole time yeah oh for crying out loud I
wanted to change to a shirt you can actually buy on lttstore.com
oh look at that look at that it sure didn't go to 3200
it's at 2133 all right so we're gonna have to try and re-enable our docp
memory profile here I don't know what to expect in terms of memory speeds
obviously we're getting a much newer memory controller but I also know that
motherboard manufacturers have learned a heck of a lot about optimal memory Trace
layouts for ryzen in the last four years so maybe this will just
go and maybe it'll go
I don't know and remember you can't have success without suck sorry I'm in a bit
of a mood today I swear I'm fine and there we go right to 3200 no complaints
whatsoever we haven't done any stability testing or anything but that's
definitely a good sign melee melee I don't know how to lay in
this game oh yeah you got to switch to the knife okay I'm gonna get them I'm
gonna get them foreign
but that's okay because the 5600x in our
ancient x370 motherboard did not get
beat by an x570 board that's right
where'd it go where's my x574 there it is over there
okay technically technically we came out
behind RX 570 board by about 15 FPS in
CS go but we're talking the difference between
545 frames per second and 560. so it's
not exactly a big deal crazily enough we actually came out ahead in F1 2020 so
not only is our ancient board not causing any problems with a pretty
powerful graphics card an RTX 2080 super our PCI Express gen 3 bottleneck isn't
causing any bottlenecks for us at all again I can't speak to the future but
come on guys do you want more future out of this
it's doing pretty well it all just goes to show you that sometimes trusting a
company's promise of years of support and spending a little bit more actually
can pay off at least one time it's happened we did
still obviously need to buy a new CPU but we can keep the rest of our system
exactly as it is and get a massive uplift in performance with significantly
higher boosting capabilities twice the level 3 cash for our 1500x not to
mention two more cores now over on the
Intel side of things LGA 1200 was just put out to pasture after just two
processor Generations an LGA 1700 has
just launched and I don't think we've heard any kind of commitment to
long-term support for that socket but the same is actually true on the AMD
side of things officially they haven't committed to any kind of long-term date
for their upcoming PCI Express Gen 5 and ddr5 platform but based on the success
that AMD has had with am4 I think consumers have signaled that longevity
is something that they want to see more of and I think the entire industry could
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