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optimization web application firewalls and more get your free load balancer at freeloadbalancer.com or at the link in the description AMD and their Partners have done an amazing job over the last five years or so supporting both backward and forward compatibility between their multiple generations of CPUs and chipsets on the am4 socket though it hasn't been without hiccups at its launch in 2016 AMD promised compatibility for the socket through 2020 only to pull the rug out from under us when they announced that their Zen 3 ryzen 5000 series chips would still use am4 but only with the latest x570 and b550 chipsets now they quickly backpedaled and added official support for b450 and x470 but the messaging was That's all folks we're doing you a favor here don't expect it to get any better and yet here we are all the way in 2022 discovering that their original promise ended up being true at least to a point meanwhile Intel strategy for over 10 years has been to release a new socket almost every other generation like clockwork physically breaking compatibility so there's been no way to challenge their narrative that we needed a new motherboard every time around but then something happened a few years ago socket H4 more commonly known as LGA 1151 lasted for four whole generations of chips but Intel still stuck to their story that the early boards couldn't run with the later chips and vice versa now to be fair while the socket and the pin layout itself hadn't changed allocation and usage did change for coffee Lake which was the third generation of chips on this socket some of the previously reserved pins were reassigned to add power and ground lines to meet the requirements on beefier 6 and 8 core CPUs that's pretty understandable but Intel also relocated the processor detection pin breaking compatibility they called this socket LG 1151 revision 2 in order to help differentiate but stuff like that is a big part of why so many people find building computers complicated it can be scary spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars on Parts only to find out that yes they fit together but they don't actually work together unlike our processor hoodie it goes great with just about anything lttstore.com practices like these are a big part of why we and the majority of the PC industry don't advise you to attempt to Future proof your build because no matter what you do it's only going to get you so far whether it's the next generation of RAM PCI Express or even IO how many of you wish you had a USBC port for example there is simply no way to guess which investments into better parts will bear fruit and which ones will end up having been just a waste of money unless you believed AMD an ASRock for that matter back in 2016 and splurged on this motherboard the ASRock x370 Pro 4. the idea at the time was that if you were a Savvy Shopper you could save a few bucks by going with an affordable Bristol Ridge Athlon X4 chip and then hold off an upgrade later when either you had some more cash or you took advantage of one of the best practices by trailing the bleeding edge by a generation of soap so you might have waited until ryzen 2000 launched and then snagged a snappier ryzen 1500x from someone who was upgrading then and that is Savvy why don't we do some role play I'm you boy yours haven't treated you well but they've been a lot less kind to your poor four core eight thread CPU with its piddly 16 megabytes of level 3 cash now here's the thing remember I'm you I don't want to download some hacky BIOS from a Russian Forum so I'm going to the CPU support section on my motherboard's download page and would you look at that it's there so for just 270 dollars for a 5600x that is what my dumb friends will end up paying for their new Intel motherboard alone I'm going to be on the latest generation I can get wrecked but there are some catches unlike my friends I will not be getting Cutting Edge features like PCI Express Gen 5 or even Gen 4 for that matter I'm gonna have to update the BIOS of my motherboard to piece 7.10 which removes compatibility for older chips which can carry some risk and unless I want to invest more money into my machine say by upgrading my original ddr4 to something faster I might not be getting the most out of my new chip so am I actually getting a good deal let's test it out now short of a power outage occurring in the middle of BIOS flashing you should be okay if you follow along we had to get this specific board the x370 Pro 4 but on the ASRock Forum we already found evidence that support is rolling out to x370 boards more broadly and we've heard rumors that other manufacturers may follow suit so all we need is our test bench here some peripherals a USB drive and we're going to have links for all this stuff in the description down below we'll also need an internet connection so you're going to want to unzip your new BIOS and drop it onto an otherwise empty fat 32 USB flash drive that 32 is still the default when you format in Windows for lower capacity drives but if you want to double check you can just look in the properties once your drive is plugged in once you're ready restart the system and mash or hold F2 or delete to enter the UEFI BIOS now we're going to ignore the majority of this and just go to the tool tab hey I get it that's not funny and select instant Flash and steal yourself because once we take this next step there is no turning back the bridge BIOS that we're going to use remove support for Bristol Ridge CPUs and cannot be unflashed at least according to asrock's website so we're going to do this BIOS then another one and we should be ready for ryzen 5000. oh and I hope you're ready because we've got a video upcoming about GPU shunt modding that you're going to want to be subscribed to you do not miss this is going to take a minute so and reboot what's that no I like mashing it I'm a Masher I want to make sure that's the correct version we actually should have done that before do you want to update yes I do hopefully we have all the secure flash check fail whoa and it's off I mean I did say this process wasn't without risk didn't I I looked it up and apparently this can come up when you're using a thumb drive with too much capacity which is exactly why I keep this piece of crap in my little bag of tricks it's a one gig pen drive completely generic USB 2 and we're gonna throw the BIOS file on there fatty 32 is what I call this boy it's my fatty 32 oh there it is yes it's got it come on come on come on come on come on come on come on come on yeah yeah all right fatty 32 to the rescue all right well we don't actually want to boot right now because we are going to put a 5600 x in ow we are gonna put a 5600x in this mama jama okay come on now we're gonna try it's gonna do its best to defend its socket from us okay pre-apply thermal paste yeah yeah blue subset that I am reusing the thermal paste on the bottom of the heat sink if we were doing any kind of comparative thermal analysis obviously I would reapply fresh paste but we're not we're just getting it running and this is fine everything's fine everything is good here catch no I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna throw it jeez you guys give me no credit around here okay new CPU installed structure trained and Pueblo yes reset and this is where we would lose all of our data why is this on here if we had been using was that on my shoulder the whole time yeah oh for crying out loud I wanted to change to a shirt you can actually buy on lttstore.com oh look at that look at that it sure didn't go to 3200 it's at 2133 all right so we're gonna have to try and re-enable our docp memory profile here I don't know what to expect in terms of memory speeds obviously we're getting a much newer memory controller but I also know that motherboard manufacturers have learned a heck of a lot about optimal memory Trace layouts for ryzen in the last four years so maybe this will just go and maybe it'll go I don't know and remember you can't have success without suck sorry I'm in a bit of a mood today I swear I'm fine and there we go right to 3200 no complaints whatsoever we haven't done any stability testing or anything but that's definitely a good sign melee melee I don't know how to lay in this game oh yeah you got to switch to the knife okay I'm gonna get them I'm gonna get them foreign but that's okay because the 5600x in our ancient x370 motherboard did not get beat by an x570 board that's right where'd it go where's my x574 there it is over there okay technically technically we came out behind RX 570 board by about 15 FPS in CS go but we're talking the difference between 545 frames per second and 560. so it's not exactly a big deal crazily enough we actually came out ahead in F1 2020 so not only is our ancient board not causing any problems with a pretty powerful graphics card an RTX 2080 super our PCI Express gen 3 bottleneck isn't causing any bottlenecks for us at all again I can't speak to the future but come on guys do you want more future out of this it's doing pretty well it all just goes to show you that sometimes trusting a company's promise of years of support and spending a little bit more actually can pay off at least one time it's happened we did still obviously need to buy a new CPU but we can keep the rest of our system exactly as it is and get a massive uplift in performance with significantly higher boosting capabilities twice the level 3 cash for our 1500x not to mention two more cores now over on the Intel side of things LGA 1200 was just put out to pasture after just two processor Generations an LGA 1700 has just launched and I don't think we've heard any kind of commitment to long-term support for that socket but the same is actually true on the AMD side of things officially they haven't committed to any kind of long-term date for their upcoming PCI Express Gen 5 and ddr5 platform but based on the success that AMD has had with am4 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