{"video_id":"Eck3cimhKyA","title":"Why Touch-Screen MacBooks are a Bad Idea","channel":"Mac Address","show":"Mac Address","published_at":"2022-05-05T14:58:16Z","duration_s":445,"segments":[{"start_s":0.08,"end_s":6.08,"text":"there are two types of people in this world those who have no problem touching","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":4.48,"end_s":19.93,"text":"a computer screen and those who cannot tolerate it at all","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":20.56,"end_s":28.72,"text":"i believe that fingers should stay down on keyboards but","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":24.56,"end_s":28.72,"text":"sometimes you don't know until you try","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":28.84,"end_s":34.8,"text":"hmm for over a decade with the launch of the","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":32.32,"end_s":37.84,"text":"macbook air apple has resolutely refused to add a touchscreen","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":35.92,"end_s":41.52,"text":"to the mac 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this macbook for a couple of weeks as well as a dell xps","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":370.4,"end_s":376.16,"text":"two in one i can tell you that i seldom reached up and touched the screen","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":374.72,"end_s":379.199,"text":"a scroll here tap there maybe that was about it and","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":378.56,"end_s":384.4,"text":"again maybe that's because this os isn't made for touch","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":382.319,"end_s":388.72,"text":"if it didn't take me two taps to close an app in full screen mode","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":385.919,"end_s":392.08,"text":"perhaps taps would be more inviting as it is i basically","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":389.919,"end_s":394.96,"text":"only used it when my hand was near an already exposed button or scrolling","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":393.919,"end_s":398.96,"text":"opportunity but when i'm sitting at a desk writing","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":397.52,"end_s":402.479,"text":"that rarely happens and when i'm sitting on a couch lampen","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":400.96,"end_s":406.16,"text":"i'll use an ipad if apple releases their next macbook","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":404.8,"end_s":409.44,"text":"with a touchscreen option everything would be fine but i still","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":407.84,"end_s":414.24,"text":"wouldn't understand it and i definitely wouldn't select it it would have to be implemented like","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":411.919,"end_s":419.44,"text":"mouse support on ipad convenient sure but inessential and to me that convenience","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":417.759,"end_s":423.759,"text":"is not worth the fingerprints on the screen","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":421.68,"end_s":426.96,"text":"thanks for touching on this Mac Address i've heard all the arguments","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":425.44,"end_s":430.4,"text":"for adding a touch screen on the mac comment below what your thoughts on this","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":428.72,"end_s":435.84,"text":"whole touchscreen conversation is i'm curious if i really am the minority here","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":433.199,"end_s":439.039,"text":"hi i'm a mac and i'm a pc what you got there piece","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":436.639,"end_s":446.0,"text":"of a touch screen before yes belongs on an ipad","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":440.479,"end_s":446.0,"text":"what's this it looks really dumb yeah","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0}],"full_text":"there are two types of people in this world those who have no problem touching a computer screen and those who cannot tolerate it at all i believe that fingers should stay down on keyboards but sometimes you don't know until you try hmm for over a decade with the launch of the macbook air apple has resolutely refused to add a touchscreen to the mac it's not in an optimal position you don't feel comfortable the best way to deliver multi-touch in the notebook is through the trackpad but in this office that attitude is deeply confusing among the many Windows pc users who have touch screens they say a touch screen is useful essential even and that mac users have no idea what they're missing well to find out we're going to build a macbook pro with a touchscreen and here it is it can do everything your touch screen Windows laptop can do you can open apps close apps zoom scroll move the text input cursor and even swipe between desktops how neat there are drawbacks though um the laptop doesn't close anymore eliminating some of its portability it's much heavier which puts a lot of weight on the screen hinge so it can't hold it up at certain angles and this cable is really annoying these are things that wouldn't be a problem on a proper touch macbook but nevertheless having this 300 espresso screen taped onto the computer has fooled me into thinking it was the actual screen green tape notwithstanding after using this for a while i have to say that i rarely reached up to use it and i think i know why the arguments for a touch screen on a laptop seem to circle around convenience it's useful in specific postures like standing or walking or squatting or sitting on the couch these positions can naturally encourage you to hold your laptop in a way that places your fingers closer to the screen than the trackpad making it so much more convenient to navigate around here's the deal apple has a device for these cases and positions with software explicitly designed from the ground up for touch the ipad which leads me to an argument that needs to be made and it's one i think apple's been trying to articulate the finger is a blunt instrument fat and round the pointing device a mouse or trackpad is a precise instrument you can see it on the screen how the pointer tapers to a pixel thin point and pixels are very small now what works well with a mouse doesn't work well with a finger and what works well with the finger obviates a mouse so if you design a device with an interface for touch it needs to have big simplified ui elements while being light and easy to hold like an ipad or an iphone that form factor is in fact limiting but by remaining focused it's also liberating now i am aware of the addition of mouse and trackpad support on ipad os but i think people are a little confused about it because i'm quite certain it was purely for the magic keyboard apple believes reaching up from a keyboard to manipulate a screen is so inconvenient that they were willing to make the ipad more laptop-like just to solve it it wasn't a convergence of these platforms it was a solution to an ergonomic problem brought upon by a keyboard accessory and look at the pointer when using that trackpad on the ipad it's round and blunt like your finger only transforming when it gets close to something it can manipulate it's abundantly clear that the ipad will always be a touch first device and so it should remain that the mac be a pointer first device remember Windows 8 microsoft meekly and foolishly thought they could force the industry towards touch with their start screen interface but nobody fully committed to it not even them even their touch first ARM-based surface rt still had a mousy desktop mode quite simply because the office team didn't even bother to make a touch version of their productivity suite for it that took over two years and by that time microsoft returned to a mouse-centric form with Windows 10. oh and did you know that Windows 10 still has a tablet mode and that microsoft office has a touch mode bet you didn't and i bet you'll never use them either because we all know how Windows works and changing those basic concepts isn't worth the effort of learning them but let's imagine that apple thought integrating touch was worth doing well you can bet that it would be done in a way that would be very exciting and worth the effort of learning because let's not forget how beloved and revolutionary the experience on the ipad was the release of big sur actually got a lot of people speculating that apple was preparing macOS for the touchscreen there's the additional spacing between items and menus and the friendly touchability of the new control center but i think apple would have to go further because touch interfaces are difficult to use when your ARM is suspended in midair the dock would have to be placed on either side of the screen so you can hold your hand on the side and stabilize it yes you can move the dock there now but what kind of monster really does that and even compared to the way things are on big sur i still think buttons would need to be 20 to 30 to 50 larger or maybe apple could do something really unusual and let us swipe pinch and do all the multi-touch gestures on the screen but not tap this would allow the os to remain dense and the mouse remain useful while still offering the magical convenient and collaborative character of natural interfaces the reason i'm working so hard to imagine the possibilities of touch is because after using this macbook for a couple of weeks as well as a dell xps two in one i can tell you that i seldom reached up and touched the screen a scroll here tap there maybe that was about it and again maybe that's because this os isn't made for touch if it didn't take me two taps to close an app in full screen mode perhaps taps would be more inviting as it is i basically only used it when my hand was near an already exposed button or scrolling opportunity but when i'm sitting at a desk writing that rarely happens and when i'm sitting on a couch lampen i'll use an ipad if apple releases their next macbook with a touchscreen option everything would be fine but i still wouldn't understand it and i definitely wouldn't select it it would have to be implemented like mouse support on ipad convenient sure but inessential and to me that convenience is not worth the fingerprints on the screen thanks for touching on this Mac Address i've heard all the arguments for adding a touch screen on the mac comment below what your thoughts on this whole touchscreen conversation is i'm curious if i really am the minority here hi i'm a mac and i'm a pc what you got there piece of a touch screen before yes belongs on an ipad what's this it looks really dumb yeah"}