WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:07.520 this NVIDIA GPU has no display outputs 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:11.040 can't play any games does not exist on 00:00:07.520 --> 00:00:14.320 NVIDIA's website costs upwards of 5 00:00:11.040 --> 00:00:17.840 000 us dollars and it doesn't even have 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:19.680 a cooling fan and yet it's sold out 00:00:17.840 --> 00:00:24.720 nearly everywhere what the heck is going on with this 00:00:21.840 --> 00:00:27.760 thing it's like a big block of aluminum thanks to ifixit for sponsoring this 00:00:26.400 --> 00:00:31.760 video whether you want to upgrade your own toolbox or give the gift of repair 00:00:29.840 --> 00:00:35.920 this holiday season you can find huge savings new toolkit bundles and get free 00:00:34.160 --> 00:00:40.760 shipping on orders over 50 at ifixit.com 00:00:37.760 --> 00:00:40.760 LTT 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:53.199 now the kenaid and brained among you 00:00:50.879 --> 00:00:57.280 might have already figured out what this card is designed for 00:00:54.960 --> 00:01:02.960 crypto mining and yes yes i know but hear me out this video 00:01:00.800 --> 00:01:08.400 isn't about promoting or selling you on crypto mining we're really just 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:12.560 incredibly curious about these NVIDIA 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:14.720 cmp mining gpus and because of the cost 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:17.360 of these cards very few of them have made their way into the hands of tech 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:21.439 media at least until now 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:26.640 full disclosure then this was provided to us by vypira who sells these cards 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:31.200 but we made no commitment to them or to NVIDIA to say anything in particular 00:01:28.479 --> 00:01:35.360 about it not that NVIDIA is likely to talk to us 00:01:32.479 --> 00:01:41.280 that is the first weird thing about this while cmp launched back in february with 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.960 cards like the cmp98 which used a cut 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:49.439 down version of the chip you'd find in a high-end 30 series gaming card this 00:01:45.600 --> 00:01:51.680 particular model the cmp170hx 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:56.719 isn't mentioned anywhere on NVIDIA's website social media or even their 00:01:54.240 --> 00:02:01.200 investor calls as far as we can tell it's a complete ghost product 00:01:59.360 --> 00:02:05.280 making matters even more interesting there have been leaks about it on 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:08.959 twitter since early this year but no hardware made it out into the wild until 00:02:07.119 --> 00:02:13.520 the last couple of months so 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:15.760 what is it exactly well in line with 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:20.080 their previous mining cards there are no display outputs this allows NVIDIA to 00:02:18.160 --> 00:02:24.400 cut costs including the royalty that they would normally pay to the HDMI 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:29.280 forum and it prevents people from using the card as a gaming card potentially 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:33.760 cannibalizing their GeForce business but there are a few other differences for 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:38.239 one according to the third party specs that are provided by vipera this card 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:43.200 does not use silicon that could otherwise have been turned into a gaming 00:02:40.160 --> 00:02:45.120 card in fact it seems to use harvested 00:02:43.200 --> 00:02:50.720 dies that didn't meet NVIDIA's standard for their a100 data center gpus 00:02:48.239 --> 00:02:55.599 that could make things interesting later when we try to game on it anyway the 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:59.599 second weird thing is that this is an NVIDIA branded and NVIDIA distributed 00:02:58.640 --> 00:03:04.879 card most of the previous mining gpus be they 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:10.720 cmp or otherwise were manufactured and sold by NVIDIA's board partners MSI 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:12.480 Gigabyte etc but these cards are made 00:03:10.720 --> 00:03:17.040 at least through a contract with someone like pegatron or foxconn buy NVIDIA 00:03:15.440 --> 00:03:24.000 themselves third it draws its maximum of 250 watts 00:03:21.519 --> 00:03:30.799 not through an 8-pin pci express connector but rather through an 8-pin 00:03:27.440 --> 00:03:33.360 CPU power connector now thankfully 00:03:30.799 --> 00:03:39.840 bipira provided us with an adapter so this is dual 8-pin PCIe to a single 00:03:37.040 --> 00:03:44.159 8-pin CPU connector and that seems to be included by NVIDIA based on these ebay 00:03:42.239 --> 00:03:48.400 listings for the same card that also appear to come with the same adapter 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:53.760 and then finally let's talk about this cooler shall we 00:03:51.519 --> 00:03:57.920 most consumer graphics cards and a lot of the previous mining cards use 00:03:55.439 --> 00:04:02.159 inexpensive horizontally oriented fans designed for use in an atx style 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:07.200 computer case or an open-air mining chassis this works great for the home 00:04:04.799 --> 00:04:12.799 gamer or casual crypto miner but that style requires extra space for 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:17.359 the cooler to operate properly so it's not really ideal for large-scale crypto 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:21.199 mining so borrowing from the data center playbook the 00:04:18.440 --> 00:04:26.320 cmp-170hx removes the fans from the card all together and orients the fins for 00:04:24.080 --> 00:04:29.520 lengthwise airflow you throw a couple blowing metrons on the end and you no 00:04:28.080 --> 00:04:33.360 longer need to space them out you can just pack them right in which can vastly 00:04:31.919 --> 00:04:39.360 increase density that's awesome for crypto people but for 00:04:36.080 --> 00:04:41.040 me or rather for Jake it meant spending 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:45.280 some time figuring out how to cool the stupid thing and since we don't have a 00:04:43.440 --> 00:04:49.680 compatible server chassis lying around that we aren't already using in our 00:04:47.520 --> 00:04:55.280 server room um we opted to design a little 3d printed 00:04:52.560 --> 00:05:00.639 shroud that can take a 120 millimeter fan and then direct all of the airflow 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:06.400 down this slot which we're going to use these included thumb screws to bolt onto 00:05:03.039 --> 00:05:08.800 the back of it and uh yeah we're gonna 00:05:06.400 --> 00:05:12.479 just zip tie the fan to the thing if for whatever reason you end up buying 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:15.600 one of these cards uh we're gonna have the link to this little shroud thing in 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:20.000 the video description you're gonna need one heck of a fan on it by the way this 00:05:17.440 --> 00:05:24.320 is uh an industrial ppc from Noctua that runs at 3000 RPM and does some pretty 00:05:22.320 --> 00:05:27.840 good static pressure as well of course there's not much need for me to put the 00:05:25.520 --> 00:05:33.360 shroud on now because before we fire it up we are going to in true LTT fashion 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:36.800 take this puppy apart you strip it already a little 00:05:35.280 --> 00:05:40.639 really okay so what is 00:05:38.400 --> 00:05:44.240 what cool boy 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:50.400 oh boy whoa it's what 00:05:45.919 --> 00:05:53.280 it's fake black what what the heck 00:05:50.400 --> 00:05:55.759 is it now hold on just a gosh darn minute here 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:59.919 okay so what they put aluminum 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:04.240 heatsink here and here for looks they put these 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:11.840 is that even metal this one's not connected to anything this appears to 00:06:08.960 --> 00:06:17.280 actually be for looks holy crap this thing is freaking jank Jake 00:06:14.880 --> 00:06:24.000 look at this oh they just like low-key 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:27.759 solder the pci express connector to the 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:30.000 freaking contact pads on the board here 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:34.479 what yeah that's weird is it like that on the cards with the 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:38.560 no i guess not right so they could have made a like a 30 90 reference that had 00:06:36.960 --> 00:06:43.120 the power connector at the end oh i'm sure they could have clearly 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:45.600 wow i mean this is not a 30 90 board by any stretch though you can see it's 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:51.360 actually got one two three sets of envy link fingers 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:56.479 uh hold on does this does this come out of here what the f 00:06:54.160 --> 00:07:00.000 hey language there are minors there are minors watching this video yeah get it 00:06:59.280 --> 00:07:03.000 yeah yeah 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:11.120 is it gonna come out oh yeah oh yeah there it goes come on little mining boy 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:16.720 oh god whoa that is a freaking expensive just like 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:20.960 cosmetic piece of freaking aluminum men maybe i'm missing something but it looks 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:28.560 to me like NVIDIA started with a freaking hunk of aluminum this thick and 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:30.400 just milled away 90 of it for no reason 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:34.639 other than to just have a beautiful cosmetic backplate on a GPU that nobody 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:38.560 will ever see because it's in a data center to be fair i think this is the 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:44.400 same piece that would have ended up on an a100 i know different etched so like 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:46.319 that's an 11 000 card but still why 00:07:44.400 --> 00:07:49.680 yeah yeah it's just for looks you can see they've reused at least certain 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:54.000 aspects of the consumer board design because they've got that uh kind of the 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:58.800 weird fan cut out for the notch pass-through 00:07:55.520 --> 00:08:00.960 uh pass-through cooling i think the a100 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:03.840 is also like that too but we don't know because we don't have one nobody's 00:08:02.400 --> 00:08:06.879 taking one apart i mean should we take the copper cooler off oh hell yeah yeah 00:08:05.599 --> 00:08:13.280 we kind of have to don't it's our responsibility heck yeah oh don't get 00:08:08.960 --> 00:08:13.280 fingerprints on the copper the edges 00:08:15.840 --> 00:08:22.800 you people drive me crazy just touched all over it oh gosh oh wow oh gentle oh 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:26.319 god oh okay yeah 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:29.840 it's thermal epoxy the whole thing the whole GPU 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:33.440 and the GPU is like freaking this bit it's huge oh no there's got to be a way 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:37.440 it's not worth it i'm sorry Jake we can't 00:08:35.599 --> 00:08:42.399 oh i say we just send it in strike give it a little bit of force hold on Jake 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:45.440 actually no 00:08:43.680 --> 00:08:48.240 it might come up i do that see like there's components on there and just be 00:08:46.880 --> 00:08:52.000 patient stick the plastic thing right in there and then twist 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:56.560 you know i don't want to twist against the component on the board well it's a big component it'll be fine look at how 00:08:54.560 --> 00:09:00.560 much solder's on that bad boy oh my god we're not doing it that way alex will 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:06.080 heat gun help to get off a thermal compounded thing 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:09.920 probably but you should just grip it i like his style it's five grand well 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:12.560 it's his five grand not yours can we twist a little bit wait does it twist 00:09:11.680 --> 00:09:17.680 it i can try a twist i want a glove oh my goodness i'm not 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:21.600 putting more fingerprints on it look there's a there's a cloth right there use the cloth could you jam it in twist 00:09:20.880 --> 00:09:27.519 it um no i tried he wouldn't let me okay oh 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.399 wow that was easy jesus christ holy 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:33.440 oh that is a waiting it has an ihs on it 00:09:30.880 --> 00:09:37.680 GPU yeah it does what the hell i need some alcohol should you see this 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:42.480 it hasn't it's freaking enormous it has an ihs 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:47.360 holy i know 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:49.440 oh what is it so it's ga 100-45f 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:53.760 it looks like the lasering was done using two different processes probably 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:58.320 at two separate times weird that's really weird does an a100 have an ihs i 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:02.640 would think so because as far as we can tell they've just reused just about 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:07.519 everything about the a100 for this card so the sxm cards don't 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:11.440 have an ihs from what i understand oh the ones that are in the server ones the 00:10:09.760 --> 00:10:16.240 ones where you plunk them down like this yeah okay but the PCIe ones may be for 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:20.399 whatever reason no idea because nobody's ever taken well they 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:24.160 can put a bigger cooler on the PCIe version so maybe they need the more 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:27.760 efficient thermal transfer for the other ones because that's why they did away 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:32.720 with the other ones are way higher wattage well again then 00:10:30.640 --> 00:10:36.640 that would be why yeah they would want their own 400 watts that'd be why they'd 00:10:34.560 --> 00:10:41.279 want to go bare die for sure then i get such a kick out of this freaking 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:46.800 PCIe connector here this is hand soldered for sure 00:10:44.880 --> 00:10:49.720 why so it's a different kind of memory on 00:10:48.079 --> 00:10:55.760 this card you see you don't see any gddr6x or anything like that right this 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:57.519 is all power delivery all around the GPU 00:10:55.760 --> 00:11:01.839 and then there's nothing on the back that's because all the memory is going 00:10:59.680 --> 00:11:06.399 to be under this heat spreader right next to the die and there's only eight 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:13.360 gigs of it this is really interesting the a100 has 480 40 or 80. yeah also a 00:11:10.880 --> 00:11:16.880 little bit more the advantage of hbm2 is that it gets in closer to the die it's 00:11:14.959 --> 00:11:20.800 higher bandwidth hence the name high bandwidth memory hbm 00:11:18.800 --> 00:11:24.720 uh but the disadvantage is of course cost so that's why it hasn't really made 00:11:22.880 --> 00:11:28.800 its way into gaming cards except when from when AMD experimented with it for 00:11:26.959 --> 00:11:33.839 one generation i think maybe two so the GPU code name in this NVIDIA dock all 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:38.720 they say is ga100 so we don't even know so presumably it's probably like ga 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:44.640 100-400 or something like that um but yeah this is 105f 00:11:41.839 --> 00:11:47.839 weird very weird i hope this thing still works 00:11:45.839 --> 00:11:51.680 all of the cooling appears to be done by that copper heat sink that's in the 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:56.560 middle because these black fins are not connected to anything yeah and this back 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:59.440 plate is not connected to anything like thermally 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:05.040 you know i see the copper now that i'm looking at it but i never noticed it before no me neither 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:08.160 crazy i mean i'm going to tighten them anyway but i i just don't think they do 00:12:07.040 --> 00:12:13.120 anything no they do go through the card though like they go through the pcb oh no i 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:18.079 know they do they just don't hold anything they don't serve a purpose 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:21.040 other than to enclose the copper fins so that our 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:23.120 clamps yeah together exactly that's all they do 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:27.120 okay well hey are we ready to throw this bad 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:30.800 boy on here oh man ha ha 00:12:28.880 --> 00:12:34.480 script calls for hydration v2 LTT water bottles now with quad 00:12:32.880 --> 00:12:39.200 channel memory LTT Store.com you ready to fire that up 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:43.680 uh i'm putting more tape i like tape oh yeah so 00:12:40.800 --> 00:12:48.480 Jake's sealing up our ducks here with well not that make sure you uh it's fine 00:12:46.160 --> 00:12:52.000 seal your duck here it goes 00:12:50.560 --> 00:12:56.560 i see what you mean about the blowback though oh hey oh well there's your problem 00:12:55.200 --> 00:13:04.320 i was just going to plug it in while it's on but whatever nope if it was a 50 GPU i'd consider it 00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:08.320 the crazy part is this is like value compared to the product it's based 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:13.360 on well the one it's based off of depending on the price is around like 11 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:14.720 000 us 12 000 us 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:19.519 it also has 5 to 10 times as much hbm2e i don't know 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:23.920 how much the 80g ones are i don't know yeah probably more yeah 00:13:21.760 --> 00:13:27.279 now this is interesting a card that is not present on NVIDIA's 00:13:26.079 --> 00:13:32.480 website cannot have drivers downloaded from 00:13:29.760 --> 00:13:34.480 NVIDIA's website in fact this entire cmp series 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.680 is not here nope not it's not under c-class 00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:43.839 either um so we end up on 00:13:41.160 --> 00:13:50.079 viperatec's website where we can go to mining gpus here it is NVIDIA 00:13:46.680 --> 00:13:52.880 cmp-170hx Windows drivers and we tried 00:13:50.079 --> 00:13:58.000 you cannot use the regular g-force or studio drivers with this card they just 00:13:55.519 --> 00:14:01.600 don't do anything so from what i recall i think this is the same version that 00:13:59.760 --> 00:14:05.680 you can download from like MSI's website for the the lower end cmp cards 00:14:04.079 --> 00:14:10.800 oh crazy it doesn't even show up as a display 00:14:07.680 --> 00:14:12.160 adapter it's a 3d video controller 00:14:10.800 --> 00:14:17.360 it's kind of trippy to me that it even has a Windows driver because who in their right mind would be running this 00:14:14.959 --> 00:14:21.600 thing in Windows that's true this is crazy 00:14:18.880 --> 00:14:25.360 so this mining specific driver we just downloaded still has like GeForce 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:28.560 experience and stuff yeah and you can use it with like 30 series cards it's 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:34.560 not a it wouldn't be an up-to-date game-ready driver but you could game on 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:38.320 it with a 30 series which we have yeah 00:14:34.560 --> 00:14:41.440 30 90 for comparison this is so weird 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:43.120 crap obs crashed while the NVIDIA driver 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:46.079 was installing that makes sense wait why aren't we sleeping in nbank on it ben 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:51.199 bank okay you're getting you're getting ahead oh well it's it's an option but it 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:56.079 doesn't tell me which GPU i'm using yeah you gotta select it so bgpu0 probably 00:14:53.680 --> 00:15:01.360 CPU you know it'd probably be one dude GPU zero i bet GPU zero is that 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:06.160 there's no way it's GPU zero lunch no i bet lunch we're doing GPU zero now 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:13.480 and it's going to be the rtx 3090 for like i promise you for lunch there it is 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:13.480 yeah rtx 39 told you i told ya 00:15:23.760 --> 00:15:32.639 can you enter like GPU-10 wait whoa what's it even doing why is this one 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:34.480 like 3d engine going crazy i wonder if 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:38.399 it's like a weird pass-through thing where like the mining card 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:45.279 has the hardware but it's like it's going to pass it also doing encode i wonder i'm 00:15:42.959 --> 00:15:49.600 more thinking it's like the like on a 30 90 you can pick you want 00:15:47.199 --> 00:15:54.240 the GPU core or the end bank cord to do the encoding maybe 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:58.000 okay let's try setting it to GPU too start recording oh 00:15:56.160 --> 00:16:01.680 you've selected GPU to set this back to zero and try again all right then 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:07.440 so it doesn't work okay well that's weird because the data 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:12.639 center cards do have n-fan hardware as far as we know seems like it yeah gpuz 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:18.000 then yeah here we go gpuz does not know this graphics device 00:16:15.040 --> 00:16:21.120 yet this is an entirely new one guys good job help the community by 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:25.120 submitting a validation for the fourth tab heck yeah well we'll start with that 00:16:23.680 --> 00:16:29.279 my name sinus labastian 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:34.880 i've never gotten to submit a new GPU to gpuz i think it's already listed but oh 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:40.880 let's have a look at this thing then technology unknown die size unknown 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:45.360 release date unknown transistors unknown 00:16:42.160 --> 00:16:51.360 oh now this is fascinating whoa is that 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:53.360 1.1 it uses a PCIe 1.1 by 4 interface 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:57.360 now hold on a second that may not be quite 00:16:55.279 --> 00:17:00.720 right because even though it might be at that link speed now 00:16:58.959 --> 00:17:06.880 if we hit it with a load it might change it says it supports up to 16. but it's 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.839 still pci 1.1 yeah 1.1 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:12.559 huh that's really interesting now to be 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:16.160 clear for mining there's not actually much data transfer that takes place over 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:19.919 the pci express connection you're just sending the GPU work it's churning 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:24.160 through it and it's sending you back a result that's it so 00:17:21.679 --> 00:17:29.280 there's no reason i guess for NVIDIA to enable the full pci express gen 4x16 00:17:27.360 --> 00:17:33.200 link that this GPU would otherwise be capable of in fact there's reason for 00:17:31.280 --> 00:17:36.640 them to not that makes it harder for people to potentially repurpose this as 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:40.480 a card that could do other things even if they could get through any driver 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:45.280 locks that NVIDIA has put in place which nobody ever would when NVIDIA puts a 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:48.880 driver lock in place it stays there what are they up to like seventy percent 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:52.480 efficiency on the low hash rate card seventy one percent everyone hilarious 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:56.080 but yeah it doesn't increase when you're mining oh okay oh you're mining already 00:17:54.799 --> 00:18:03.080 yeah it's certified okay well hold on hold on i want to look at stuff i want to look at this all right all right okay 00:17:59.280 --> 00:18:06.480 we've got hbm2 memory with a 00:18:03.080 --> 00:18:06.480 4096-bit bus 00:18:06.600 --> 00:18:12.960 1493 gigabytes per second of memory bandwidth 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:17.760 curiously that bus width is less than an a100 i think an a100 is 50 120 or 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:21.760 something like that and the a100 bandwidth is higher that's 00:18:19.919 --> 00:18:25.840 still a lot of bandwidth yeah compared to a gaming GPU for sure like a 30 90 is 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:31.919 under a terabyte a second clocked at 1140 boosts to 1410 same 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:34.320 boost as an a100 no NVIDIA sli higher 00:18:31.919 --> 00:18:39.760 bass clark interestingly you've been talking a lot about directx oh 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:43.280 uh directx support unknown go to advanced i think there's you can like 00:18:41.760 --> 00:18:47.120 try it general power limit okay directx 9 try 00:18:46.320 --> 00:18:49.520 that device 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:57.679 could not initialize interesting so if you were hoping to 00:18:54.480 --> 00:19:00.480 grab one of these and make your own 00:18:57.679 --> 00:19:03.200 cloud gaming service you know obviously well it doesn't have an HDMI connection 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:09.600 you can't plug a monitor into it directly but i mean people have reused NVIDIA's like 00:19:07.280 --> 00:19:12.240 compute cards for purposes like that you will not be doing it on this one it 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:18.080 supports cuda well okay and oh interesting not vulcan 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:20.960 okay let's fire up blender okay is it gonna start at some point here i think 00:19:19.840 --> 00:19:24.400 it's frozen oh wow yeah it's really locked up then 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:27.919 okay you try optics it does have tensor cores 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:33.200 so i mean it's trying to do something it's doing a whole lot of nothing 00:19:31.360 --> 00:19:37.039 it's trying to do nothing so the clock speed goes up 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:40.320 but the GPU temperatures actually don't change it's just still not doing 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:45.760 anything is that the base clock yeah i think so yeah it's just a base 00:19:43.120 --> 00:19:49.280 huh all its base are belong to us i think blender is just telling it to 00:19:47.360 --> 00:19:54.799 switch power states gear it up to do work that it will then never do yeah 00:19:51.760 --> 00:19:55.840 this is a giant disappointment so far 00:19:54.799 --> 00:20:00.480 i mean only because we got our hands on a 00:19:58.080 --> 00:20:06.080 mining GPU and wanted to do something else on it a 5 000 mining GPU 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:10.080 okay i mean is now the time to find out if it's at least good at that this is 00:20:07.919 --> 00:20:13.679 gonna mine on both cards um just so we can compare them and we haven't done any 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:18.400 tuning yet it hit boost clock for a second and then it dialed back a little 00:20:15.280 --> 00:20:20.799 bit how's our power 245 watts temps are 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:24.559 okay so the interesting thing is it's a mining card but you can't tweak the 00:20:22.320 --> 00:20:29.120 memory speed you can't do really anything the only thing you can adjust 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:32.240 is the power limit which we should do because when i was messing around with 00:20:30.320 --> 00:20:38.240 it earlier by default it draws 250 watts and mines like 164 00:20:36.159 --> 00:20:44.480 mega hash in ethereum but if you turn it down to like 80 it 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:46.000 does 160 mega hash at 200 watts which is 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:50.880 way more efficient you're barely losing anything oh wow all right there we go oh 00:20:49.360 --> 00:20:54.480 yeah so there you go it's all locked down i kind of i give you can change the 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:59.200 core clock but let's not i give the community not that long to 00:20:57.360 --> 00:21:04.000 figure out how to change more stuff on these things it's hard with NVIDIA cards 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:06.240 wow look at that 200 watts and 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:12.240 the memory tips in the 30 90 are just ripping 00:21:10.320 --> 00:21:16.400 wow look at that i guess that's one advantage to having 00:21:13.840 --> 00:21:20.640 that ihs is that your hpm is now going to be cooled by your main GPU cooler 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:25.440 yeah there's no there's no things on the back yeah there's hardly any difference 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:28.720 in temp between the hbm2e and the GPU 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:33.200 so the 30 90 is 275 kilohash a watt and 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:35.600 sorry what is the cmp 840 800 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:38.960 and i've seen people with a Linux os that's a little bit more efficient can 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:44.960 get like around 850. so like yeah that's insane mind you a 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:50.080 tuned 30 90 you could probably get around 400 kilohash a lot 00:21:47.520 --> 00:21:54.400 it's still double double and that's with us tuning it in like 00:21:52.559 --> 00:22:00.640 four seconds 372. we could definitely get to 400 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:02.640 kilohaw i'm sure how can this be 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:08.000 40 to 50 faster than the top-tier GeForce GPU and 00:22:06.320 --> 00:22:12.880 double the efficiency while on the same ampere architecture 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:16.559 yeah it's crazy okay let's talk about that there are a number 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:21.200 of reasons but the main one is likely memory bandwidth the ethereum mining 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:26.480 algorithm et hash is almost entirely bottlenecked by memory bandwidth so if 00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:28.480 you have an approximately 50 memory 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:33.360 bandwidth difference and that correlates to a 40 to 50 performance difference 00:22:31.679 --> 00:22:37.360 that mostly checks out as for the power draw 00:22:35.120 --> 00:22:42.159 while they are based on the same ampere architecture the a100 silicon is 00:22:39.760 --> 00:22:44.960 manufactured on tsmc's seven nanometer process 00:22:43.120 --> 00:22:48.640 rather than samsung's eight nanometer process which is what's used on the 30 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:52.640 series gaming cards that's going to help you on efficiency for sure 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:56.960 so there's no doubt that this is a killer piece of hardware for crypto 00:22:54.799 --> 00:23:00.159 miners but there are still a couple of questions left to answer 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:04.640 with the looming proof-of-stake migration for ethereum on the horizon 00:23:01.919 --> 00:23:09.840 does it make sense to buy a pricey card that at current profitability could take 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:11.919 about a year to pay itself off and has 00:23:09.840 --> 00:23:16.240 zero value whatsoever outside of mining crypto 00:23:13.280 --> 00:23:19.280 well if NVIDIA's shortfall in cmp business unit revenues are anything to 00:23:18.320 --> 00:23:26.000 go by most people think probably not reselling old mining cards 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:30.640 is one of the ways that miners will recoup their costs in the event of a 00:23:27.600 --> 00:23:32.080 crash or a legislative change i'll let 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:38.559 you guys make the final call on all of that though i guess it's also time to make the final call on NVIDIA's claim 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:41.520 then that cmp products would not affect 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:45.679 the shortages of gaming products because they would not be redirecting silicon 00:23:43.360 --> 00:23:51.200 that could have ended up in a gaming GPU and in this instance it actually does 00:23:48.320 --> 00:23:57.600 appear that there's validity to NVIDIA's claims this GPU is clearly compute only 00:23:54.799 --> 00:24:02.159 with no meaningful gaming utility though the same cannot necessarily be said of 00:23:59.679 --> 00:24:05.919 the other cmp cards let us know if you'd like to see us take a look 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