that means we're on time yeah we're on time we're always on time we're never on
time who said we're not who said we I think this is literally the first time
we're on time we're not even quite on time I'm still hello
everyone yeah I guess you're not really on camera no I'm I'm not I'm not even
there and the party the show don't start till I walk in so yeah we we are we are
not we're then where's your little keyboard I need to change the scene it's
over here here okay I don't remember which ones do
oh you you're not even signed in on Twitter anymore what no no that's on
that's on uh no no no don't worry about it don't worry about it that's uh that's
on uh Chrome see Firefox oh here you go
hey hey Twitter no no go for Twitter questions
no Twitter questions yet lannis do you
still use Gunner glasses no I do not in fact I gave them to Slick
today right um I sure did I sure did
no vcon 07 no it will not help okay so
who wants uh who wants slick to shave his horrible disgusting ugly mustach
can't see it see it there we go yeah who wants them to shave his disgusting
mustache on the live stream tonight it's for mber I think I'm supposed to keep it
till midnight but if the if the consensus is yes then you know what it's
so freaking ugly that um I think that
everyone will forgive you if you actually just don't um don't keep that
on anymore and besides I mean an interesting point that I would like to
make I think it's interesting because it's my point is that um actually in
Canada somewhere else in Canada it is midnight right now right it's not
midnight here no but I get a real kick out of that because on Twitter I have a
lot of people asking me what time it is in
Canada to which I have to sort of take
it deep breath by the way time zones yeah by the
way time zones Canada is like huge it's
like it's like bigger than some
continents actually is Canada bigger than austral I think so because Canada
is the second largest country and Australia is also technically a country
so I believe Canada is actually bigger than Australia um which should be
basically all you need to know we have multiple time zones so the time like
lots of them so the time zone I'm in is actually 4 and a half hours ahead of the
time zone that is on the very far East Coast or like off the east coast Canada
is like on islands and stuff yeah did you know that there's an island in the
in Hudson's Bay um that is actually
French land like France French really I
actually did not know that yeah there's like a small island there and like I
think they actually have French citizens like living there like France French
yeah do they have to cross the border to come into see that I don't actually know
I I just remember this little factoid coming up when I was in like grade five
in fact it's possible they're not even there anymore but
um cool yeah why don't we start with why don't we start with a little bit more a
little bit more Twitter questions let's have a look at some Twitter questions here switch to the thing haha you're not
on camera anymore anyway it's the lius tech tips live stream I can be all like
Bam Bam n you're invited bam you're
uninvited where is slick from slick where are you
from Canada Canada yeah you can tell from his jacket all Canadians have a
jacket like this this actually his
jacket I was trying to I was trying to the shoulders are tight I was
trying you know what sizes and
everything uh we're wearing jackets cuz we're in his garage which is the new
studio and it's kind of cool yeah it's pretty chilly in here it's just over 10°
C so you know we're we're trying to keep
we're trying to keep baby noises out of the video we're trying to keep our noises away from the baby when he's
sleeping so we're in sort of the new studio space you know what we should do
you know what we should do on the live stream right now A yes okay cuz it's
still early cuz the YouTube video is not up yet so lots of people haven't joined
yet only the dedicated followers have joined so far okay I need you to go
operate the camera for a little bit we're going to let them we're going to
let the viewers decide uh what we're
going to hang on the wall and where we're going to put it actually no we're
not going to let them decide decide what to hang on the wall because I've already decided that but we're going to let them
decide where we're going to put it so I'm going to
find this which I want to put on the wall so this is a this is a
6870 68
yeah um Barts 6870 yeah so this is the
this is the video card that was in the first video I ever made that got over a
million views so that was on the ncx tech tip Channel I did a video review of
it where I hooked up like three TVs and
uh I was running them in ifinity and it was like awesome and epic and so this
should go on the wall of ridiculously epic stuff so I'd like you guys to
vote two things number one is do you
want to see it sort of up near the top to represent the the Pinnacle of
achievement that getting a million views on one video on the YouTubes is or do
you want it more on the bottom with more like um you know because it's
understated it knows it's cool so it doesn't have to be like shouting from
the rooftops about it and then I also want to know if you prefer it on the
left or on the right near the axe so so
guys this is going to be on Twitter and I'm going to go ahead I'm going to
switch to the Twitter feed so you guys can see and uh yeah look's not really
pointing at anything right now maybe if I stand sit here I don't know what he's
pointing at oh it's this one there we go Okay so uh I'm going to see what the
twitters believes is the best thing to do with this particular graphics card
and I'm not doing a
giveaway okay is that a steel series Sensei behind you yes it is watching
live from the UK yes you are thank you for getting up so early or staying up so
late whichever you did bad cable management behind me oh yeah that's my
server don't worry about it uh GTX 680
yeah that's good hang the axe on the wall the ax is on the
wall it's even in the picture right now that's from art vanderlay I mean yeah
castanza uh that's a nice ax slick is
awesome you guys are going to make slick all full of himself well not that one
guy what the one guy say oh yeah no oh
oh find that tweet that was hilarious that was absolutely hilarious I don't
think I'm going to be able to find the Tweet but it was NE okay this guy says left middle to top 45° top and Center
take the axe Off the Wall take the take the axe Off the Wall are you kidding me
no way the ax can stay yeah that's like what if zombies come in the middle of a
live stream and we could not defend ourselves and you guys had to watch us
die we have one sword and one axe we both need one weapon yeah oh oh find the
Tweet go get the sword too though okay yeah we need the sword got to have The
Sword and the helmet we have the helmet the helmet's up there you can reach it
bottom and with the axe top and Center
left at top top top Center I'm seeing a lot of votes for top Center top Center
to the left of the axe yeah okay got it
top Center basically near the axe right above the axe okay okay yep so that's
what we're going to do we are going to put this graphics card up at the top of
the wall near the ax kind of in the center and I'm really not sure how this
is going to play out because I can't really fit back here right now with this
test bench here and sl's obviously not
lifting a finger to help me cuz I can't fit right there what do I even pay you
for I can't fit back there you don't pay me to be small ow my ankle oh I just kic
I just kicked a hard drive and it fell on my ankle and there goes the Corsair
Survivor that's okay don't worry it'll survive it's all good I got it okay so
um okay here we go here we go oh you have to show them that tweet you have to
show them that tweet I got find it I think it was only sent to you I don't
know it was only sent to me I think so didn't you oh oh okay um no cuz if you
search for see that's the stupid thing about
Twitter it's like you can't search it's ridiculous so difficult to what do you
think like here or like down a bit down a wee bit
Yeah Yeah like right there yeah yeah yeah okay so this guys is why I went for
a peg board because I wanted to be able to get these hooks I ordered a bunch
more off eBay so that I could just hang stuff on the wall and uh have it look
kind of like kind of cool and like industrial and uh I mean there's no way
to use hooks like this without things looking a little bit
ghetto okay and I'm kind of stuck so uh
are you trying to find the Tweet or have we given up on that I'm trying to find it I don't know if I will though yeah so
somehow this live stream will become about computer hardware at some point
guys don't worry we're uh don't worry we got we got this um okay this is going to
look really awkward but can you come like push against my back I can't put
any pressure on it because I'm standing so close to the wall that if I put any
force on this then it will push me backwards okay there we go oh okay hold
on that's a little hard no it's not hard
enough for those of you tuning
in we are hanging something on the wall
and what we're doing right now is 100%
necessary don't don't worry about it it's
okay the safety word is
cockroach oh it's not going in all right
well okay hold on got to like brace
myself better okay okay just find a discussion topic or something oh god
well we could talking about Intel or Scythe no no we should do Intel later
when uh when more people have tuned in yeah we can talk about uh no cuz Scythe
was one of the ones that I teased on the uh on the intro video as well so I don't
want to I don't want to use that one yet when none of those people have tuned in
yet this is this is really
awkward uh mind sweeper Adventure Mode I didn't tell you what that was anyways
yeah okay so in Windows 8 if you download mind sweeper Windows 8 doesn't
actually come with it um why doesn't Windows 8 come with mind sweeper that's
a tradition yeah but if you go on the uh the store you can download it like
instantly and it's a tiny little package so it's not really that big of a deal but you're a tiny package I disagree um
ow but yeah if you download mind sweeper on Windows 8 you can the camera's like
pointing way off right now but anyways watching lonus climb around in the
background don't worry about it okay okay mind sweeper Adventure mode yeah if
you download Windows 8 mind sweeper you can then access adventure mode and it's
like an RPG version of Mind sweeper and how does it have you played it yes you
you have to it uses mind sweeper mechanics so you can move across the
screen and you have to like gather gold and get keys and unlock doors and fight
monsters and travel your way through and like collect items and everything are
you freaking kidding me 100% And it moves um it moves like left to right
instead of Mind sweeper where you start anywhere you start on the far left and
then you can move to the right and you have to like progress proper L and acquire all the items and then get to
the Final Exit and then you get different scores based on how many of
the items you get CU you can get to the exit without getting like say all the gold bars but then you didn't do very
well if you just rushed to the exit so yeah it's pretty cool is it fun though
yeah it's actually kind of fun oh sweet yeah okay I'll have to try that it's
like Minecraft mixed with mind sweeper I
have never actually played Minecraft I'm sort of afraid to do it
because I tend to have kind of a kind of an addictive personality like when I
played wow for 2 months I played wow for two months right right right yeah and
then I was like oh I can't do this and I feel like you would just pick
some really really Grand project and not
quit until you complete the whole thing well my obsessive compulsive disorder
would uh and I don't actually I'm not diagnosed with obsessive compulsive
disorder just for the viewers not I'm not mocking it or anything but it's just
it's just like I I can be a little bit OCD about things
sometimes as well this is making really bad
noises are you actually going into the wall or you I went at kind of a weird
angle not going to lie maybe we should only hang one thing
on the live stream maybe we should just hang one thing on the live stream what
do you think probably okay good idea
that was my idea but you know you tried to steal it um yeah so that did not go
as planned are you good um yeah I think
I can get down do you want to go adjust the camera in the meantime yeah so that
if I do fall and hurt myself that they won't necessarily get to witness every
gory moment of it oh no I'm just going to make sure that it's all on camera
it's funny because someone was saying they were like oh what's that table
you're using for your set it's awesome
and um I need a new table and that looks really good and it's funny because these
are the crappiest tables in the world they weigh about a billion tons look if
I stand on them they shake like this like they're not sturdy at all but
they they're like so heavy they're ancient Ikea like garbage um like the
the the the actual color of these tables is basically like um there's another
tabletop it's outside or something but it's like the most horrible color in the
world I just spray painted them and I know it's not going to hold out very
well but it's just temporary so uh yeah
so so yeah there's nothing special about them you do not want these
cables okay slick come on back and maybe
we'll actually uh maybe we'll actually like do a live stream maybe we should
Dive Right into Intel you know what's awesome is that they actually can't even
see that graphics card that I spent all that time putting up can you play
and he almost knocked over a light we're good we're good what do I even pay you
for I don't know not oh it's reflecting
okay hold on I'll fix it
we good yeah all right see always keep a
sword handy yeah oh yeah a lot of people have
commented on my sword I got it at the Richmond KN Market it's folded steel so
it's not actually like one of those swords that's just just totally a
replica and totally useless it is sharp so like if we were fighting right now I
I would stand a cuz he's much larger than me um it's
only half Tang so you can see the uh the
pins only go down to here so it's not a proper it's like it's not a proper
proper sword but you know I basically I basically told the
guy I was like well I don't care how it looks but I want something that's
actually legitimately a sword not something that's like a glorified toy
yeah um so so this is what he this is what he came up with for me and I was
like okay yeah we're done we're cool that's good anyway we'll put that aside
for now um and then the axe has sort of
a less interesting story behind it the axe this ARM goes up to point at the axe
the axe um I needed to do some yard work and so my dad brought over his tools to
help me and then he forgot his axe so I requisitioned it which is pretty much
how I mean who here has ever who here has ever stolen a tool from their
dad yeah
it's like when I first started working on computers I never bought my own screwdrivers but I had my own
screwdrivers yeah I mean by the time by the time you're like 30 you probably
haven't actually bought any tools yet there all your dads but your dad's just
like why have I bought three dremels in the last 10 years well I'm sure my dad
knows at one point in time I think he just kind of bought another set of
screwdrivers and just left cuz there's this like gray box that has these yellow
handled screwdrivers in them that I've just always kind of had but they were
always definitely his yeah and I think at one point in time he just gave up and
bought his own like another set of his own yeah and was just like oh he can
have those whatever it's fine I think the thing that my dad
eventually gave in and just bought me was a cordless drill oh yeah because I
was always always stealing it you know
what for my birth for my last birthday he actually got me a circular saw oh
yeah and the funny thing about that is the one that he got me ended up being
DOA and so all this stuff that I've been
doing in here like putting together for those of you who haven't seen it I have
a white box now okay see I have a white box now I
built myself like some walls and stuff see cool stuff right uh so so my white
box was built without the benefit of a circular saw which would have been
beneficial um instead I used a jiga to
cut through stuff that was like this thick which I'm very sure it's not
supposed to do yeah it's not good for it
probably just not the best application yeah yeah but I mean it was fast and it
was better than and the funny thing is I don't have a wood saw but I do have a hacksaw so I was like okay I can either
use a hacka metal saw or I can use a
jigsaw neither of which are for this no
no yeah no just no uh where did our mouse pad that's
behind you all right let's do some let's do
some Tweeter so moving um is this like
working it's you turn the mouse off yeah here
okay cover him up cover him up oh he's
hideous are you guys over how hot he is yet can we just how do I scroll on this
thing it doesn't work I don't know yeah
SLI can't figure out how to scroll it's on a touch mouse there's no scroll wheel
and I'm like scrolling here try it
again well here click on the window at least make it the Focus
window okay try it
again oh you're at the top are you doing that with the
keyboard stop stop pressing the keyboard
you're trolling me stop okay okay okay
okay that's okay I'll scroll through them he want to hang the katana I never
gave my dad that great n screwdriver it's a flathead and can screww and
unscrew everything I have never heard of a Nar screwdriver here do you want to
squeeze over a little bit I don't think yeah you're just way
too large take the whole window what are you
talking about yeah but that's only because of like my
buffness you're just tall I don't look that big anymore CU
you're close to the camera yeah but you're wearing like the big jacket that
you're wearing to overcompensate for whatever it is you it's your jacket yeah
and I'm but I'm not wearing it
should hang the katana on the wall no the katana stays in my uh in my in my
living room um stop calling Ikea crap uh
okay I guess I could stop calling
computers computers and I could stop calling grape
juice delicious but I'm not going to do either
of those things I will you ever have estra on the live stream I'm not sure it depends I mean she's pretty busy sort of
at night and test bench one know which one there's on I can't see that oh a
test bench our test benches are high-s speeed PC teex stations and then one of
them is some MSI thing but you want a highspeed PC text station yeah
um hey flip here likes the new setup
flip is the first person who has actually given me any positive feedback
on the new setup with the blue wall and or with the red wall the blue thing um I
I think I tweeted this but I had someone
so I had someone give me a put a message on one of my YouTube videos where I was
showing off the room where they were like oh yeah you should switch the uh
the colors of the pegboard in the wall that's a lot of work I was like you
understand that red paint like like red red like like this red is like five
Coates right like yeah not a lot of work
not happening at all pardon my frl um
where do you get your okay what's the difference between a monitor and a TV besides the TV tuner and inputs that's a
good question question what is the difference between a monitor and a TV slick it's a lot higher quality
monitor what yeah what do you mean higher quality well the pixel density is
higher yeah but usually you get way less
latency pixel density is usually way higher yeah but I don't think the less
latency is a quality issue because TVs have more complicated processors yeah in
order to but for what you're using it
for oh so what you mean is why should a
computer user not use a TV because I remember there was one guy that used to
go to the same land parties as me who actually had like a 37 in TV bigger TV
every time that he was using for his monitor yeah and um so yeah okay fine
from from a PC application sort of perspective um input leg is much higher
on TVs they do way more processing on the image because they have to be able
to um just juice up the colors and make
it look more better as opposed to more faster um pixel density is very very low
because I mean a 30in monitor is going to be 2560 by 1600 and a 30in TV will be
probably 720p even probably yeah usually they yeah like 30 in so I mean you might
be able to get like a 30 something higher at 1080p but even then that's
much lower density um I'm not very fluent in TVs at all but the lowest one
I've seen this 1080p was 36 most TVs aren't TM though so if we were going to
compare to cheap monitor then so yeah they so so a TV will be
cheaper higher input leg uh probably
better colors unless it's a super cheap TV and you're buying like you'd be
pretty crazy to manufacture a TN TV because the TV would be like 10 ft away
and people would be like oh I move my head here oh can't see it where and
people window shop tvs hardcore walk into Best Buy or wherever the heck you
want to go and then they see them on the wall and then pick one it's usually how
they do it so you need to like have have
good picture quality reflex yes you can reuse a hard drive with Windows 7 on a
new pc Joel says I'm in need of a new pc but
don't know how to afford it I'm only
12 Joel you're going to have to wait a bit what did you have for a computer
when you were 12 uh the one my dad built
like you but it was yours no no no no oh okay what did you have for your own
computer when you I did not have my own computer when I was 12 I did it was a
Pentium 166 MHz I'm actually trying to
remember when I built my computer maybe it was new then oh okay well I didn't have my own
computer till I was 16 that was like legit I saved for like and had Onboard
video nice yeah nice yeah I saved for
like two or three years GeForce 4mx baby
that's balling I was way that was quite a bit before my time actually
yeah uh build a gaming rig for a friend should I use Windows 7 or Windows 8 uh
can you move the window over a little bit so we don't have that gray bar
want to thank you sir uh building gaming rig for a friend Windows 7 or Windows 8
what do you think um if you want to get windows8
just download them the Windows 8 start bar thing there's like a million
different programs that do it now uh we we we made a video a while ago about
Nite so if you're building in the computer if you want to run Nite to
install all the default programs one of the things in Nite now is Windows 8
classic start menu oh okay like
yeah don't get her done yeah I mean Windows 8 is lower is less resource
intensive it boots and resumes and sleeps faster um it'll obviously get
more support in the longer run did you hear about the whole Windows blue thing
no oh not at all so Windows 8 it this is
this is sort of semi- rumor I don't know how confirmed it is but I was I was just
reading about it so um you know how OS 10 The Branding hasn't actually changed
in years yeah they just kind of go 10 point whatever and then it's a new OS
but it's not that new like they're just making tweaks as they go so what I heard
is that Windows 8 is actually going to be the last like like for a while it'll
be Windows 8 and then it'll be every year they'll do a small update at a low
cost like you know how um like Apple only charges 20 bucks for the next
iteration of their OS and um I mean what
do you think so it's going to be Windows blue now and then they're just going to
change Windows 8 so it's just yeah I think that's like an internal code name
or something I'm not 100% sure but doesn't okay I'm not that great with
apple but don't they change like the animal yeah but it's OS leopard snow
leopard lion tiger so for differ differentiation
reasons that one's pink that's a they
should they should um they should have some naming convention to help it along
okay but it could be like blue and then orange and then yellow or something like I don't know I just heard this blue
thing and then I was like so kind cool with that are they just copying apple or
is it this like them no that's what everyone does
know mobile devices everything they're
bigger steps but there's always Little Steps in between and like on a mobile
device you don't pay for it right get it for free so it's not necessarily copying
if it's the future so you just think the concept of the OS is just changing and
Microsoft should just get used to giving away Windows and giving away off
office they better sell a lot of
Xboxes yeah and yeah surface and like a
lot of like paid Sky Drive accounts yeah no like can still charge
for like Windows but it's going to be
cheaper right okay I think it's going to have to be
cheaper this is the most homoerotic live stream yet now take off your shirts do
you want to do it no you sure yes is it
cuz it's cold in here and your nipples will be all like partially okay but
definitely not
completely I have this coffee for the whole live stream yes I play Minecraft
don't unsub yeah dare you yeah yeah one
of us plays Minecraft it's all good good enough humble Indie bundle yes oh yeah
the new humble bundles I guess this one's not indie CU THQ yeah THQ it's
humble THQ bundle yeah so if you guys don't know about it already there's a
new Humble Bundle it's a bunch of like legit THQ games what all do they have in
there it's company hero okay if you pay above the average you get uh slick Row
the Slick Row the thir slick Row Saints Row see I told you guys you boost this
guy's ego up and up he's going to think that he's some kind of like game Star
next thing it's going to be like you know slick PC Blood on the sand and
you're going to be all like with a bandana and like thug Life 50 Cent yeah
that's that 50 Cent thing or like you'll be like you'll be like remaking it like
2 years later like Chronicles of
Ric I liked Chronicles of rck actually did you like the first one or the second
one pitch black I don't know pitch black was really good was it okay pitch black
was like the first one okay okay pitch but pitch black wasn't Chronicles or
ridic though I think it was just pitch black then I think the next one was Chronicles oric okay whatever um Saints
Row the Third uh is if you pay above the average when I got it the average was $5
40 cents no it's way higher now though is it I think it's like 12 bucks now
really I think that's the biggest they've ever had it for a Humble Bundle
yeah but it's also like a plus titles oh I know I know like Triple AAA titles so
um yeah guys check it out just Google Humble Bundle if you haven't uh if you
haven't heard of it before it's really really awesome Darksiders one is in IT company Heroes with the DLCs is in it um
and then I think something else but this is all off top my head I don't really
remember is Metro 2033 in it yes yeah Metro 2033 is in it
safety word cockroach well yes it's even
better because it has the word roach in it yeah because you're
encroaching on my personal space y That's
exactly uh ala Clary asks how does twitch not
kick you for not streaming games because they
don't stop
uh yikes can you even lift that axe get
real like slick oh wow wow the this
guy's drinking the haterade this Nishant guy right here not as much as the guy
that hates me and I can lift that axe I'll have you know well I can lift the
axe I put it up there yeah I didn't have slick do it for me
nope all right clarification okay slick your are you
like a super fan of Assassin's Creed I freaking love Assassin's Creed uh my
favorite game series is um the other Scrolls but Assassin's Creed is probably
my second favorite game series really yeah cuz final fantasyy is
my favorite have you only played one no I've played lots of them Oh I thought
you'd only played six no I played through most of the first one but it was
kind of tough like actual number one or like actual number one I've beat five
I've beat six I've beat seven I made it like 10 minutes into eight and I was
like this is ridiculous eight was the first one I played eight was stupid so I
was like this is sweet and then I played other ones I was like oh I made it all the way through nine um I think 10's the
one with zidane and Waka and whatnot I get them I made it all the way through
10 I made it all the way through two I made it all the way through three four I
think was just rubbish if I recall correctly so I've played most of them
but honestly guys I was trying to play
I'm going to have to find out which one it is but it was just terrible I'll
probably do it now they they got they got tired of in my I know they're
continuing the story line but it seems like they just got tired of making more numbers so now they just add a dash and
then another number 133 is I heard I
heard one of my friends at school talking about 133 today it's like come
on like at what point are we just going to like they'll start doing it by
Seasons yeah I was actually thinking the other day they should release a game
that's structured like a TV show so you buy the game for like 20 bucks and then
once a week you get more content well it's called episodic game and valve
tried to do it where is episode three oh
well yeah but they don't release it every week they release it every like 30
years valve time week exactly yeah valve
time week Wiki Google Google valve time
if you're interested funniest thing ever I'm sure everyone watching this has heard of
valve time before though yeah we only have 1,600 people on the stream you guys
should tell all of your friends to join the stream because it's
awesome Joshua great question what is your favorite mouse that is still in
production because a lot of people ask me what mouse I use I tell them my Cari
laser and they can't have one cuz it's discontinued uh g9x is
awesome get a g9x because everything else is just sort of totally a waste you
know what you know what kills me oh and we're echoing big time what why would we
be echoing no one else has complained about it
yet I don't know I don't think you have the stream open in another window both
of our browsers are up yeah
oh it's probably just because of the garage guys the mic's a little bit
further away from us so there's not really a whole lot we can do there's going to be a little bit of echo uh my
foam strategy is not really doing anything and it's not covering the whole
ceiling yet and it's not covering the room yet I have to cover like that wall
and I have to cover the ceiling and yeah bear with us guys bear with us and
apparently I got the average totally wrong for the Humble Bundle it's only like six bucks so yeah it's usually
right around six bucks great deal oh oh check this out get rid of slick what a
mean yeah sck you're
fired um why do you why don't you put the
Twitter feet above your heads I like to see you and Slick interact and covering
him up isn't I thought it helped I mean here try it it's like when they get have
to do like the eye test it's like better
worse better worse and then you like
pick which one is better I'd love to I'd love to hear what you guys think okay so
here you find a topic I have to go log into my email where I arived all of thep
talk uh sure let's do that one let's do
that one okay so go ahead I'm listening uh Intel
with uh Broadwell is going to be releasing BGA socket BGA socket is going
to be soldered in so it's not swapable um apparently this will only be
replacing the tier of processors around like the 1155 tier not the 2011 tier so
you'll still have like the expensive tier of processors workstation um it'll
probably overlap with the server socket in all likelihood I can't see them going
to three sockets no no I seriously don't I can't imagine why AMD is using three
sockets anyway sorry sorry like moving moving right along so go ahead um
yeah that's what it is what are your
thoughts I'm not happy because I come from more of the value oriented series
of things okay because most of the computers that I have built have been on
a pretty tight budget um and I know you're going to bring up how many times
do you swap your processor oh that's coming that's coming for you like this
but I actually totally agree you totally agree with what I think it sucks because
I want to have more choices I don't think it sucks because I want to change
my processor all that often because I can't actually think of a time when
myself or most not all of my friends
most have decided that they want to change their processor before a newer
and better architecture has come out that they wanted to upgrade to anyway so
they had to buy a new motherboard all right I'm going to play a little bit of Devil's advocate here and I'm going to
give you all the reasons why Intel and the industry might want to do this I
don't care why they want to do it no no all the reasons why it might be
justified okay okay first of okay why don't we do why Intel wants to do it so
Intel wants to take as much control of the experience as possible we've seen
this over the last few years they integrated a memory controller they
integrated a PCI Express um interface they
integrated uh GPU yeah they're integrating more and more and and more
onto the CPU itself so what is this doing it's taking differentiation away
from the board partners because it used to be like it wasn't that long ago that
you could differentiate your board based on how great of a memory overclocker it
was like um ocz had like the coolest
thing ever it was like it was called the DDR booster do you know about this no oh
the DDR booster was amazing okay so it fit in a dim slot and it worked with
certain boards where you could just crank the beesus out of the voltage to
your memory so guys were using bh5 back then um so this was like a legendary
wind Bond bh5 chips to just crank way
too much voltage like doubling the voltage of their memory and uh and and
that was resulting in tangible performance gains and part of the reason
for that was because the motherboard designers actually had to
optimize the the timings internally within the North Bridge and the way it
communicated with the CPU the way it communic at with the memory a
motherboard was actually in some ways way more complicated 5 years ago 8 years
ago than it is now and important now it doesn't do almost anything there isn't
even a PCI controller on an entry level board think about that for a minute what
is it even doing in there that requires a high-speed interconnect Thunderbolts
an off chip separate chip yeah yeah um
USB 3 is built into the chipset but I
mean okay so it's 5 GB per second total
across all the ports so it's not like this is a super so it's we still got
SATA and SATA I mean like are we at the
end of SATA what's the new one that's coming something Express or something right I don't remember the name of it
but yeah we're I don't think SATA's developing anymore are they yeah SATA I
think is just done and so SATA I mean ultimately that's probably going to go
on chip because if it's going to be any faster than sort of SATA USB 3 they're
going to have to move it on chip okay so so Intel's taking more and more of the
ecosystem and they're putting it into the chip this does a few different things so it saves on cost it saves on
complexity and drives up margins theoretically for everyone but in
practice mostly for in mostly for Intel mostly for Intel um the other thing that
I thought was fascinating is because of AMD's complacency or lack of execution
or whatever else you want to call it Intel has been spending so much less on
die area for the actual CPU portion if you compare the die size of an Intel
Core i5 3570k to what would be the most
equivalent AMD chip something like an fx8350 where they're equivalent in terms
of their actual real world performance I I don't remember the exact size
difference but Intel is spending less than half on the actual CPU logic
portion compared to what AMD that means the actual cost of that chip is less
than half well they've been able to just sit there with all their R&D time that
they just don't really have to utilize lately and just spend it on like okay
let's save money right let's make it smaller and smaller and smaller it's
like Kepler how Kepler is a much smaller physically GPU than FY was with a little
like plastic extension on the end um so right so Intel is because they don't
have to they don't have to keep pushing die sizes in order to get more performance because no one's biting at
their heels um they're bringing more and more on board so this is a natural
extension so now what Intel is going to do and it it aligns with corporate
branding as well because just like something like Ultrabook they can go
okay this is a core this is a core i7
platform if you want a core I seven you're going to get you know SLI and
Crossfire and you know 16x PCIe you're going to get Thunderbolt you're going to
get blah blah blah blah blah and it comes with this CPU so they generate a
very consistent experience and from a branding perspective it's much easier so
the um the parts where I'm okay so so
there there that's that's why all this is happening it's lower cost it's uh
it's more integrated it's easier to control it takes more of the more of the
value and more of the uh more of The Branding and puts it on Intel and takes
it away from the guys producing motherboards um so here I'm going to
start to advocate for why it's a good idea okay uh lower costs will ultimately
benefit the consumer at some point you can be as cynical as you want about it
but at the end of the day how much did a computer cost 20 years ago yeah yeah
miniaturization has come for us we have
benefited from process shrinks and from lowering bomb costs so maybe your
desktop gaming computer actually isn't
going to go down in price much between now and the next 5 years but the
computer that sits in the dash of your car and the computer that sits in the
back of your TV and all those computers that will now be all over the place will
be a better value so overall it will come for you you will get a better value
out of all of these out of this tighter integration okay number two I actually
inherently trust Intel to deliver a cons experience yeah if I buy an Intel
motherboard I don't it to overclock like Sting I don't expect it to necessarily
have all the best features but I expect it to work yeah it'll work it'll do what
it said it does because they will always follow the code yes they will make a
standard that they know works and they will follow it they will follow it yeah
to the letter for Better or For Worse but usually for better yeah if I buy an
Intel SSD I expect it will work I mean
same thing like for my server machine you you see an agility hanging out of it
right now that's not what I'll actually be running the OS off of it's an old x2m
because I'd rather use that um so from
from a consumer standpoint I'm looking at it going okay well yeah that's fine
okay so next is let's talk
performance do you need more performance
than a
3770k yeah what for uh hire and stuff not not gaming not
gaming okay so then you should be buying a professional platform yeah okay so for
your most of your friends who want to play Black Ops
2 or whatever game that isn't rubbish um
new new Elder Scrolls game whatever else have we reached a point where the
CPU is really really not holding back the gaming experience I think what's
more holding back to gaming experience is consoles well yes um and I think gra
cards are going to be holding it back very very soon and hard pushing engines
and graphics cards and whatnot and 4K and 4K 4K is going to just C whatever
graphics card you have right now 4K is going to crush it y even modern games
today if you were going to try and run them at 4K it'll just destroy them like
just crush them they don't have enough RAM they don't have enough horsepower it's going to crush them so if we're
expecting cry engine 3 to bring a completely new level of graphical
quality and then we're expecting to run it at 4K resolution and then we've got
NVIDIA spending half as much on die siiz for their high-end card as they did a
generation ago um and delivering sort of
incremental generational upgrades on a longer and longer cycle because they
have less and less pressure from AMD I'm actually sort of worried cuz we're going
to want 4K 3D which means we're going to have to push 120 FPS at four times the
sort of when 4K gets more popular I think even
if this going to be really pressured by ATI well AMD have you seen AMD stock
price have you seen how much cash they have left yeah but the graphics CS are
still pushing pretty damn hard not profitably I mean again AMD is
another great example on the graphics cores I think their die is like 30 40
50% bigger than n's die yeah so in terms
of any from a business standpoint
trouble yeah I don't know but they will be pressured by what the consumers need
though but do the consumers need it but
you you just said 4K I need it 4K gaming
but I mean graphics card sales like if you look at if you look at the at the
market numbers are going like this and it's funny because everyone wants to
talk about PC gaming is alive PC gaming is alive PC gaming is alive but it's not
um you because of what we just said though nothing pushes it Plants versus
Zombies World of Warcraft that is PC
gaming now yeah so no one needs a GTX 680 for that but even like brand new
high-end Shooters it doesn't matter because they're all running terrible
engines that don't matter yes cry engine will hopefully push it and 4K will
hopefully push it so people will actually care about buying a new graphics card it'll have been a long
time I think the last the last time I think people were really passionate and
driven to buy a new graphics card was
8800 series and crisis yeah I mean it's
still it's still there the the old thing but can it run crisis still matters it
still matters um which is ridiculous but true
okay but I would argue that as soon as uh as soon as all of these limitations
hit us CPU actually won't be that important because GPU will remain better
for things like physics calculations whether it's using opencl or physx or
Cuda or whatever else um and the CPU
will be more than enough you manage sit there and manage yeah it's just going to
sit there and manage so okay so I would argue that for 98% of people we actually
don't need more performance than we have today go ahead keep shrinking it staple
them all together save power you sound like that guy that said
we don't need more than 60 F 56 KOB of RAM that's a misquote by the way he
apparently never said that someone said that was Gill Gat um okay so the next
one the next one from my side is we might not need it now we will need it at
some point okay the next one one from my side is is more Choice good for the
consumer
why would it be bad for the consumer because consumers often don't know what they're doing do you know how many
systems I've seen come across my desk where I'm like
really yeah but it's still nice to have Choice why how okay okay okay here
choice always drives competition uh okay but those you know
ASUS MSI Gigabyte ASRock well maybe ASRock to a lesser extent if they get
acquired but um those guys are always going to be competing anyway you you
still have choice but you won't be able to make the wrong choice you won't be
able to make a bad choice right because
someone will validate at some level that that's not a completely ridiculous
configuration and for you the Enthusiast
I believe it doesn't matter because you would have bought a saber-tooth and a
3570k anyway like if a literally think
about this if as Seuss solded a 3570k to
the saber-tooth would it bother you no
that's a huge amount of
but still it's still nice what do you mean but still I don't know I still want
the option to put it in myself if you needed th if you needed Thunderbolt would it
bother you that much to spend an extra $100 overall on the platform you already
spend have to spend like an extra 80 bucks on the motherb that's right so the
more integrated it gets yeah true so so so if you were if
you needed a premium feature like Thunderbolt does it bother you that you
have to buy an i7 no okay not
really so okay so those are my those are those are my three points so Point
number one is ultimately the cost savings will come to the consumer okay
the main the main reason why I don't like it is the more that this H like I
don't want this to be the like the person who kicks the ball and it just
continues to roll down the hill I don't want everything to just be like oh I
bought a motherboard I know have a computer like I don't want that to
happen why not it'll be cheaper but that's so lame and that will destroy
like why we're here right now it'll be fast
enough we can talk about which motherboard is the best and we'll have
one product to talk about and it'll be a saber-tooth with a 3570k is that such a
bad thing oh I don't know I mean okay look
here think about it this way do you want the PC to succeed yeah
okay what do you see apple doing they
profit last quarter was more than most of the rest of the entire PC industry
all put together yeah but that's a specific statistic and I can throw a
billion more okay but I think we can agree that they got there with
Simplicity Yeah by bundling things together by I mean honestly I think the
fact that Apple now has iPhone 5 iPhone 4S and iPhone 4 at three different price
points is a huge stumble compared to
what's made them so powerful because their whole thing was this is the phone
this is the only phone you need buy this phone Nothing Else Matters that's been
their whole thing if you want a desktop computer buy an iMac there's not many
configurations don't worry it's what you need that's been their whole thing and
so if the PC is going to gain traction with the mainstream consumers where why
did we lose all these Gamers to
consoles because they bought one thing and it ran everything we needed
yeah how do we get them
back I don't know so there I don't
necess just to disclaim this guys I don't necessarily believe this is the
best thing ever but that was my devil's advocate sort of here's why it's
happening I think it sucks because losing like I think it's good because
when you're building a computer for your buddy who doesn't care or when you're
building a computer for your mom or your your friends like oh I want to come play
Star Citizen with you guys when it's released and you're like all right man
I'll build you this like whatever no big deal I'll build you an i7 ASUS yeah and
it'll have everything he needs yeah but then when I'm building a computer for myself I want to be able to pick
everything Pony up I know and that's
that's the thing at the same time but then when like 16-year-old me or
16-year-old dude that messages me on Twitter is like I'm super into computers
I love it I want to build one I'm going
to have to be like yo get this kind of cop out pre-built thing because that's
what it's going to be now it's pre-built systems but it'll be a better value for
him I mean it's the same thing as it is with 1155 in 2011 today 1155 for 99% of
people will perform better yeah unless you're a high-end video editor graphic
designer whatever else for your mom and your dad and your brother and yourself
1155 literally performs better because
it's mainstream enough that the economies of scale allow them to push
the performance to to to to cycle the technology faster they can they can
recoup their R&D investment faster and create a new chip and cycle it cycle it
cycle it whereas with 2011 because it's so Niche they have to have a longer
cycle that's just the way it works because and it could be good because
maybe more people will buy that level so it'll become less Niche so the Cycles
will go faster but then replace the
console yeah I freaking hope so but like
I don't really see that happening because like the Bro aspect
consoles is not going to go away no seriously though um and I just like I
said earlier I don't want it to just be the first kick that starts the ball ring
okay would a more standardized PC platform make for a better experience
even for yourself remember the first time oh no that was uh that was diesel
never mind okay um okay what if things
were so standard that Windows was able to come with your usb3 driver it already
does and you didn't Windows 8 does okay Windows 8 does fine whatever whatever
the new thing is then whatever some new thing is that comes out what if because
is that their plan with their little mini development the more integrated
things we'll get the more integrated things will be you know I mean is that
Microsoft's plan with their mini drops mini operating system drops oh
potentially I don't know like I I only know what I said about that one before
so I'm not exactly sure but but will a more integrated experience be bad I
don't I don't think so I just think it'll suck for the super super techy
custom builder guys which is Who We Are
trying to but it'll drive down overhead at a retailer perspective at a system
builder perspective a huge Global Perspective it's probably better for
like me I don't like it as much right
okay well there you go guys I hope uh we actually haven't been looking at any
tweets or any uh twitch chat so I hope you guys haven't been just kind of
sitting there complaining that this is super boring
um and uh yeah what Eddie said here well
you have to show them what Eddie said geez so Eddie says he doesn't you know what
yeah let's take some of your comments on this discussion topic because I think this is really important um for the
industry in general and for for every Enthusiast uh whether you whether you
want to take sort of my devil's advocate side or whether you want to take slick
side I mean quite frankly here actually okay a little bit more uh quite frankly
my computer is an LGA 2011 not because it performs better for what I do because
it doesn't if I really wanted the best performance possible I'd get a 3770k
just like everyone else um but because I
wanted the baller platform I wanted the flexibility to put in as much RAM as I
wanted I wanted to have all those PCI Express Lanes just in case I decide I'm
going to put a 10 gabit Nick in there and a raid card and a graphics card and
a sound card and I wanted them all to have as much band with as they possibly
could so the Enthusiast in me actually is mortified by all this yeah but we
have to look at it from sort of a wider perspective than just our tunnel vision
but then for our individual opinions we don't necessarily have to because this
is what we think of it but that doesn't make for a very interesting discussion
because you'd basically say Broadwell is gonna suck ass and then I'd say all
right yeah just bump yeah I don't know
Kyle brings up a good point but I bring this up earlier yeah Kyle as a computer
salesman I'd like to voice my opinion on the choice versus no somehow ask slick
slick isn't even a computer salesman I'm more of a computer salesman than him oh
cuz I actually worked as a computer salesman for six months worked as a
computer salesman for like almost a year you were at Best Buy
true yeah i' I've I was at NC I got
people to buy not terrible computers I actually directed some people to ntx as
well probably shouldn't have said on here but oh well cover me up good
job okay then are but choice is always
good though I agree with him no I disagree sometimes choice is destructive
sometimes choice is actually bad because Choice leads people to buy dumb crap
like eventually buy because they screw up and buy some super computer that's
right but then people should be like intelligent and figure out that if they
spent $400 on a computer and it didn't work for them that buying a $2,000 Mac
is not actually the right logical
process you own a Pontiac yeah CU I don't have that much money in
general and it works it gives me from point A to point B so then if you had
more money to spend on a car would you buy a Mercedes or maybe just something
better Honda I don't know not a Pontiac I wouldn't buy a Mercedes
okay I forget where I was going with that hold on hold on no I was going somewhere with that the point was um
shoot what were what were we talking about I don't know but apparently this
guy thinks this topic is terrible and doesn't care about Intel
processors uh you know what uh hold on I'm trying
to you're distracting me now TR trying
to figure out what I was trying to say with the Pontiac thing you just don't
like my car which is fine I really don't
I totally hate your car it's stupid it's horrible I like my car
um uh computer salesman and then we moved on to something something right
right right too much choice is bad because it generates bad customer
experiences but then they should just have better salesman yeah have you met any
salesmen where are you going to find better
salesman that's like saying they should have like they should have I don't know
that that's like saying do some form of training training is not the be all and
end all but they should have some form of it how much training is there okay
but how much training can you do when there's okay here like between Gigabyte
MSI and ASUS alone and that's your like your one two three how many z77 boards
do you think there are oh a ridiculous amount but you should have like at least
30 like NC should have all their employees on a mailing list and when
something new comes out there should be like you or or someone else should check
it out and then tell them and they're going to remember that I mean think
about the way it worked at Best Buy with something like an extended service plan
where they had a sheet of paper and they could refer to things imagine if you had
to put every motherboard and video card on that sheet of paper they would need
like a microscope to read it and
sometimes the differences between all these motherboards are actually very
difficult to figure out that's true you've run into this why is this one even more expensive and you can't tell
you literally can't tell so oh that doesn't even include ASRock biostar ECS
EVGA why do we need this much choice for z77 motherboards we established earlier
on in the Stream that they all perform exactly the same I still like choice I still want to
be able to pick what I want okay every single time personally you might think
it's bad for some random person but again I'm pulling it back and saying that I'm answering this question on
behalf of me and not be on behalf of that random person all right whereas I'm
taking I'm taking the Every Man's approach to this cuz I can figure out
what motherboard I need yeah and I want to be able to figure out what
motherboard but based on how many people tweet me asking what motherboard to buy
it's hard and if you weren't following it and keeping up with it but does that
mean they don't want to it might be difficult but they might also enjoy
it um yeah I mean I do so I can't say
that no one does but I just don't think it's that likely are we going to get a
heater for the garage no we're not because heat is expensive and he's just
not worth it I'm going to bring my own jacket at some point in time so I don't have to that is an awesome jacket jacket
what's wrong with you it's also like army camo green and the sleeves aren't
long enough it's digicam it goes along with our high-tech overall experience
that we got going on here it's digital nice
nice uh the people who care about the change don't care about the best value
if it takes some of the fun out of building yeah I understand that uh the
topic is terrible what is L is saying he wants to get rid of his entire job it
won't get rid of my job at all I mean NC will still Tech stuff there will still
be Tech stuff because remember we're talking about how all this all this um
ease of manufacturer and all this Simplicity is going to turn the computer
into something where like a great example is something like the expensive
camera we just bought why isn't it running an Android operating system with
you know a powerful quad core processor
in it why isn't it running a Windows 8 operating
system with a Next Generation or two gen three generations away core I3 in it
that would be awesome I mean compared to the kinds of garbage processors they're
using in things like cameras today I mean imagine if we could put a PC
processor in there the amount of flexibility I mean we could start
writing custom firmwares for cameras and stuff but then why don't they just do
three sockets would it really cost that much more yes a socket costs a fortune
Intel's balling though I know but why would they waste they don't you don't get balling by wasting money yeah I know
a socket costs a fortune in validation and the ecosystem you have to build
around if they move into all those other devices I'm sure they're making their money well yeah they're making their
money but they're making their money by keeping everything BGA solder it on
solder it on solder it on solder it on and like what's to stop them from we
probably shouldn't talk about this topic for literally ever but what's to stop them from doing it to 2011 at some point
or whatever 20111 turns into oh they probably will but we're like 5 10 20
years away from that hopefully because there will always be that need for for a
high-end workstation that market will always exist it'll just be Niche I
wonder if this will make AMD more viable
I don't know I don't personally think so
personally think it will unless AMD goes for some gigantic push and they could
yeah and if they go for some gigantic push and they go like oh we're in the Enthusiast processor now and they make a
big push and they actually make viable processors in the high tier range then
or in at a low cost but slightly higher than what they're doing now but that
it's unlocked and you can overclock it you can there is room for them to
reinvent themselves as that cool company
yeah um where Intel will be like that corporate company so let's see they have
to last that long yeah exactly yeah
everyone I know is gaming on Xbox will buy PC you need PC be a game that
everyone needs yeah I hope Star Citizen is that game I'm super excited about
that there's a couple possibly big games can be Robert you can use a controller
on a PC Xbox 360 works just fine Xbox 360
controller works just fine on a PC just get an adapter on yeah and if you're I'm not sure if he's
using handicapped as a exact term or not
if you are actually handicapped you can get things like uh ocz Nia oh come on
that thing's stupid though no no but have you seen the paragan yeah that
thing's awesome that thing's cool Nia super cheap though yeah but the Nia does
and it works you just suck at it parag is way cooler yeah I agree have
you have you seen the video so if you guys don't know what the paragan is it's a glove you wear that has contact points
all over the side I think you can do what 30 commands I don't know how many I
think it's here here and here and then your thumb just connects them all yeah
so you can do up to I think it's 30 different commands by just touching your
thumb to various fingers on the uh and there's there's like uh conductive
control pads on them and so they were showing someone gaming in a game like
League of Legends so instead of having this mouse on a keyboard you actually
just kind of have it beside you like this you got your mouse hand and you just go you know for whatever spell or
hotkey you want to hit and and uh there's Pro Gamers claiming that it
actually makes them faster than if they use a keyboard because they never have to look it's all muscle memory just
think go like that I haven't seen any of them actually doing it in a tournament
but I'm that yet I used it at packs and it is like it's fairly okay quick like
it's not super slow I personally find I'd be way faster with the keyboard
because then all your fingers are currently resting on the keys but you're more used to it but I'm more used to it
too but then this means that you have to move your thumb to each individual key
if you're representing your fingers as keys this way your fingers are all keys
I know but your fingers resling on the keys is not moving your fingers at all
unless you have to move your finger and press a key which is never remember like
30 Keys though q w e r no no I mean but
but if you could hit 30 like this like let's say you needed a wider variety
because for like a different game other than yeah on a keyboard I'd say there's
probably DF reload see Q is tough as
soon as you get into the ring finger pinky finger it's tough there's probably
like 10 to 12 keys that I can hit as quickly as I could do this definitely
cool like if you shoulder problems and stuff you can keep your ARM down off the
table and use it so I I asked for a demo unit that's cool so hopefully we can get
our hands on it and check it out and let you guys know what we actually think after extended use but uh yeah paragan
very very cool um should I get the 2500k or wait
for Haswell get a 3570k or 2500k I mean honestly I I don't
know how much faster Haswell will be I don't think anyone does right now yeah
uh doesn't that make it just another console the point of PC is the customization the software customization
will always be there though which is the difference between PC and console and
you can still be specific about your RAM you can still be specific about your
graphics card it's yeah Dyan asks why
did you move lonus Tech tips into your garage um because we have a new set for
ncx Tech tips but there actually isn't a ton of space in there and uh and I've
also had some other projects going I don't know if you've seen my Techquickie channel so if you're following
me on Twitter you've probably seen some of my tweets about it or maybe you missed them but I have some other
different video projects that I'm working on as well so that's part of the reason why I need something resembling a
studio space here at home uh you want to blame something for the downfall blame
the first Xbox yeah yep oh yeah for sure
no no doubt when building for me it'll be different from building for my mom
which I could get yep y totally agree Sean um I think Slick's right imagine
five years down the road and everyone has a high-end PC there's nothing unique about PCS anymore but imagine 5 years
down the road when everyone has a high-end PC now they can develop a game
that only runs on a highend PC
There You Go part of the reason for it again actually I didn't even cover that
before okay you know what let's move on to the uh let's move on to the next oh
actually I got one question here I want to answer Sean sometimes I I will take an
alternative position to what I actually feel like in my heart because there are
reasons that go beyond my feelings for why things work the way they do Devil's
Advocate you got bring up the other side of the argument so that the argument
which isn't boring and if we don't understand both sides then we're just
Fanboys yeah so you have to try to understand why com from why does the
world work the way it does I can still feel the way I do I you know what I mean
you guys ask me this all the time and I usually won't tell you do I have a
favorite of something like is do I have a favorite brand of motherboard yes I do
but I can't let that I can't let that get in the way of being objective
because I think it's not fair to you guys um so here find another topic for
us I'm going to go see if I've got anything over there and we'll move right along scy oh yeah okay go another sad
Topic in my opinion uh Scythe the makers
of gentle typhoon and many other fans and many other heat shuriken and Shen
chuzi or whatever they've called all the like best names for all the different
things uh they're Us North America
branch just went out a business so this isn't very applicable to anyone else out
out of North America because Scythe in all those locations is still running
just fine but the North America branches out of business so if you want some
AR15s you might want to pick those up quick um that's very sad for me because
my by far favorite fans for at least 120 mm is AR-15s they're 1850 RPM 120 mm
fans and that means I'm going to buy a small stack of them and then hor
them um but yeah that's kind of crappy
but like I said for anyone outside of North America it doesn't matter because
Scythe is doing just fine you know what this comes down to Too Much Choice was
bad not really actually it's because the parent company closed down it wasn't
even scyth USA it's the guys that owned Scythe USA so nah I bet if it' been more
profitable the parent company wouldn't have had to close down yeah but that was
like one of their smaller companies I bet site that been okay
fine uh I'm trying to find some of the
Twitter topics that I that I sent to
myself virtue oh someone asked us to
discuss um
virtue okay like Lucid logic's virtue oh
okay yeah not virtue I was like what
it's like yeah slick and I have uh we're going to start wearing Purity rings and
um we really think that if you guys Support lus Tech tips then um you should
wear Purity rings and if you're tuning in right now just to hear me say that I
really really hope you didn't tune out immediately I'm going to explain so
Lucid logic's virtue does a number of different things um although the context
that this guy was asking about it in was remember when we first saw the news of
virtue and we were going to be able to run multi-GPU with AMD and NVIDIA
graphics card mismatch generations of graphics
cards um why hasn't that taken off in
your estimation didn't NVIDIA get super pissed off okay yeah inia got super but
hurt about it yeah they did not want that to happen yep they want to control
the SLI EOS system remember what they did to the Big Bang X power I do
remember they did to the Big Bang X power Marshall bang Marshall yeah big
bang Marshall do you guys remember the Big Bang Marshall it was like an XL ATX
1155 55 board yeah it was a p-55 board
wasn't it I think so I think so p67 I
don't know whatever LDA 1155 board that was XL ATX that had seven PCI Express
16x slots and it had Lucid logic's virtue so that or no not virtue it had
Hydra Hydra yeah um their first I think it was their first yeah it was called
Hydra sorry so where you could in theory run seven graphics cards and have them
all stack together and make for better performance and NVIDIA actually blocked
quad SLI and I think triple SLI trip all
you could do is dual SLI yeah you could just do dual SLI on this board in spite
of the fact that it had seven PCI s PCI slots two graphics cards
yay um I don't know when I first saw it I basically went this is never going to
work yeah because it's asking for way
too much that's when I saw it I assumed that You' get like terrible returns yeah
I mean you know what's funny though is they when they optimized it fully for
something like 3D Mark 11 yeah it
actually delivered pretty crazy results you could see it like it was working
however the problem with that comes down to games there's so many games they're
all so different there's always a new patch yeah I mean when I when I was like
okay the reason this can't work is because they would need a driver team as
big at least as nvidias yeah yeah because you look at how hard it is for
AMD and NVIDIA alone to make sure that you don't see random graphical artifacts
all over your screen so why is it that some like small company wasn't able to
do more than them and like bring more together than them well I think it seems
fairly obvious pretty straightforward I've had people like tell me they want
to buy a mother board with with uh with Hydra and I'm just like yeah don't worry
about it uh virtue MVP however does a couple of cool things so that allows
notebook like switching between your dedicated graphics and your integrated
GPU there very small performance hit very very small but you can use your
integrated GPU for video transcoding you can use your dedic dedicated dedicated
graphics card for gaming uh it also allows a couple of other features so one
of them is a performance boost one that in theory like together yeah no what
does is it puts texture duties on your onboard GPU because that's easy and it's
just memory intensive and then it does something else but it
just so sketchy yeah we used it and it worked for like one game yeah and then
just like didn't and like caused performance degradation in other ones
and then I think the other one is something to do with vsync but when we were using we were mainly using an Intel
platform right yes I've heard it's a lot more
stable on AMD platforms weird with APU
and a graphic card I I know that's weird and I haven't done it myself obviously
but I've read that it's much more stable okay but who cares I yeah I know I
definitely agree I have a lot of people ask me about what used to be called
hybrid Crossfire where you have an APU so you'd have an AMD CPU with an onboard
GPU and then a low-end graphics card and you can Crossfire them together for a
performance boost people are like oh what graphics card should I get a 6670
with my Apu and I'm just like oh dude oh
dude just oh dude no um Apu is good for
onboard Graphics fantastic destroys
anything from Intel if you're looking to build a super basic machine get an APU
if you want to play any games at all done if you want to have a dedicated
graphics gaming experience buy a dedicated graphics card don't try to
like it's like it's like someone deciding they want a car and they like
staple two motorcycles together it's like will it work will it
move in a direction maybe should you do
it no no it's like but motorcycles are
so cheap you can buy three of them and staple them
together just no spend $100 $100 is the
bare minimum to spend on a graphics card any less than that and you're getting a
terrible value buy a real graphics card end of
story so there it's been said
now that's actually a great analogy
stapling motorcycles together it's just like so ridiculous Franken
Contraption um okay so that was my topic
what was your next topic uh let me
see there's useless human babies useless
human this is you know what you know what inspired this topic is my
baby oh right no I remember where we were going with that topic though old
school RPG Mages yes so humans actually
you know what no this was your point you make the point okay I brought up that a
baby dolphin immediately upon being born knows to immediately go to the surface
and get air and human babies are just pretty much generally useless at
everything they ever try and do for a really really long time my baby was trying to eat in this high chair with
his hands for the first time which is cute but ineffective the mess was
literally the entire span of both of his arms and like up the side of his head
into his hair with like a p uh like like
not pee but like peas peas peas bananas
pea banana and uh and uh like baby
cereal yeah and it was just like all over the place which like I said is cute
but yeah um compared to most other
babies animals they're we kind of suck
yeah they never stood a chance so I brought that up and then I came up with the analogy that we're kind of like
Mages in old school RPG games well no cuz we were talking dolphins and I was
like right right if dolphins are so smart then why don't they figure out how
to walk on land we figured out how to swim and I brought up that they don't
have opposable thumbs okay so then
whatever so and you kept on bringing up more things and I just kept on saying
opposable thumbs well yeah because you
know what no if they were so smart they would find a way to win they would find
a way around it because he think he thinks they're smarter than us which
apparently it's been proven that they're smarter but they can't do a lot of things because they don't have a posable
thumb so they can't like then they're not that smart how how does Smart have
to do with your physical form well we figured out how to like kick Tigers
thumbs I don't think we figured out how to have opposable THB a man can kill a
tiger even though a tiger is much more powerful tool that he makes with
opposable thumbs chimps have opposable thumbs
yeah I could take a chimp they're not nearly as smart as us though but they
have a but they have a posable thumb yeah
okay so what's your point which they're kind of lame but are able to survive
because they have imposable thums where are you even going with this
where this is you okay so humans so humans start out
useless but then later on in life they get totally op completely imba because
they they're like old school RPG Mages they suck at the beginning and they're
horrible to play and they're really annoying but then once you level up a whole bunch all the Warriors are
terrible and you're amazing and overpowered Diablo 1 is a great example
of that like you you die in like two hits at the beginning if you're a mage
but then by end of it you just like walk around with a staff of apocalypse and
you're just like right click right click right click right you never actually
have to go in the room you just walk around with like your BS Mana shield and
it's just like the the the Warriors are just like well I actually can't have
that much health cuz like the game maxed it and
stuff yeah Everest one was also a really
good example of that and like balur skate ice Dale are both really good
examples of that you know what was hilarious Fable one I literally had like
two spells that I used so I had like a
knockback or something and then I had an area of effect or something stup or
maybe it was just one area of effect spell and it was just like yeah this is
this is all I you know I don't think I can think of even a modern game where
Mages aren't just kind of stupid overpowered just the whole time yeah not
really I mean Magic's just like it used to be the thing where it was like okay
do I want to have the beginning of this game really easy I'll play Warrior but I'll suck
later on or do I want the beginning of this game to be really hard
I'll play a Mage and I'll be awesome later on I wonder what it'll be like an
imba class in something like Star Citizen is there really classes though
kind of it's just the type of ship that you fly is it just the type of ship that you f I'm I'm not sure but if it's like
Eve it's more the type of ship in the race that you fly in the race but then
you can learn the skills for other races so it doesn't really matter it just
takes more time have you learn a skill for a race I mean you just like you just
read their book you just put one foot in front of the other and you try to get
there first
next that's a horrible
joke um what else you got we've got
applications or apps oh yeah but you
ruin all the punch lines so um the App Store thing Windows
App Store yeah yeah so Windows has an app store and I think a lot of people
have been kind of like uh well we were talking about developers yeah so we were
talking about sort of what a programmer makes these days and uh and I made the
point that an app programmer will get paid more inherently because they on
their resume they put they're an app programmer um so yes so luk
slick
Bazinga whatever done now it's live how many
people are watching 19900 uh
um yeah that
programmers um what what were we
awkward uh right right right so they make more inherently because they they
make apps and uh even though I can't
imagine what's what's different about programming an app versus programming
like anything else it's the same language you're just locked down yes
okay so is it any different programming an app for a phone than it is
programming an app for like Windows 8 or well it's like I said it's different
language okay but a lot of this skilles
you're Los you're using like uh sdks and stuff but you use sdks for a lot of
stuff you build for desktops and systems as well so it doesn't really matter okay
so a lot of people seem upset about the app store for Windows 8 or we can't call
it app store because uh Amazon did that
and then Apple tried to sue them and then the judge was just like screw you
no one cares is that what happened yeah a I never I never paid attention
basically just threw it out he was like like no it's a freaking app store you
can just leave it alone huh they I think everyone's just kind of sick and tired
of Apple just trying to sue everyone all the time okay so what's the difference
between an app and an application there isn't one so what's so okay so an app is
short for application so so basically what you're trying to say then is the
app store has always existed yes because
you just download things from websites but apps are
cheaper that m really which apps aren't
cheaper I don't know what can you compare really well you go like average
like a professionally developed application but it's US versus a
professionally developed app they're the
same thing if you bring it up that way but if you bring it say okay if you say
something from the iTunes app store or
downloading from a website if you get like they have Photoshop I could argue
app is actually short for apple and not application but it's not
it could be but it's not it could be a double meaning
no it's just not app store Apple Store
but it's not it means application they don't have anything else called an Apple
store oh my God they don't what that took me a
second to process of course they do they should just call their stores
app stores they actually should that would be that would actually be kind of
amazing yeah it would and you can go there and you can buy apps or you can buy apps you like Al buy an app you can
get a box for your app so we've always had app stores at the end of the day
it's called a retail store yeah um you can buy software there yeah you can buy
software there although it's kind of stupid yeah no one does that anymore
yeah no one does that anymore this this this will be like a great uh this would
be a great like Twitter question um when's the last time you guys bought
software at a retail store that's happening to games what I think is going
to happen is I don't think games are actually going to be sold I think it's
just going to be like if you buy a special edition you can get Hardware
when you buy a game right I think pretty damn soon games are all going to be
digital and then special editions are going to be the only way you get actually a physical thing well you know
what's been one of my favorite things to do over the last five or six years every
time I go to the mall in sir I swing by the EB Games and the only thing I do
there is I see how big the PC section
is it's at the point now where I was at I was at the source like I kind of I
kind of do this I just I'm just curious at the source they had four games on the
Shelf they had a couple Generations ago
WoW expansion it was like cataclysm or something they had Starcraft
2 they had Diablo Three yeah Diablo 3 and then they
had like one other game or something like that it was like four or five games
and they had one copy of each that was
it I think the last game was like a Bethesda title or something like it was
like it was an RPG or something might have been other Scrolls or Fallout
something like that and I was like wow
it's dead yeah it's totally dead yeah
well it's like people are still buying it but they just don't care like if you're buying Starcraft you're just
downloading off battle that.net you're buying if you're buying a Bethesda game
you're probably just downloading it from Steam so if you're Microsoft why don't
you just stop selling physical games for Xbox what's the point what's the point
of a physical medium capacity right now
Xbox hard drive capacity as far as I know isn't that awesome okay and then
the only reason for limiting hard drive capacity would be to prevent piracy in
theory no I think it's just like if you bought one of the original Xboxes their
hard drives were only like 20 to 40 gigs now you can get bigger ones with the
elites and the newer ones they're still
small yeah they're still really small why can't I just plug in a USB hard
drive that's what I've never really understood I mean I love how Nintendo's
uh Nintendo's whole DRM thing for the Wii U involves because Nintendo still
ties your downloadable purchases to the hardware not to user account you know
that right yeah so basically there's this drawn out process where you like
transfer your Hardware from your Wii to your Wii U and like all the accounts
kind of go over and if you screw it up at any point during it I think it gets
really complicated and I don't remember where I was going with this no idea
right why don't they just let me put like a 64 gig SD card in my stupid thing
and like a big old 3 terb hard drive over USB I think just because you can
plug it into a PC really easily okay can't really plug an Xbox R
drive into a PC very easily I like you can but I think it's like this weird so
piracy prevention thing yeah okay so
then that's my assumption I don't actually know but makes sense to me once
again piracy prevention just destroys what could be good and makes it bad you
know there was I think it was like five or 10 years ago now um but there was
this a bunch of I think three Engineers or something like that from Microsoft
that were working on DRM stuff like the whole idea behind DRM just all were like
this is just not going to work they're like this will not work people will
always find a way around it and they almost got fired for it didn't actually
get fired and then they just totally right people will always find a way and
people are like oh PC sales are dying because people pirate stuff are you
kidding me of course but then look at consoles too
consoles are so easy to Pirate okay they might be easier to Pirate but I would
argue that the average console user is less capable of pirating that's true no
offense guys I'm sorry actually okay oh
oh the viewers are tanking the viewers are tanking no one's okay I'm sorry I'm
sorry console's okay oh the viewers are tanking again all the PC I'm going to
alienate the entire audience but I would argue that sort of lowest lowest common
denominator console users are not as Tech savy no I agree yeah but then like
like sorry mind my language but Rockstar Games not releasing freaking
GTA 5 on PC because they're like oh
there's too many Pirates it's not worth it what yeah that mean it's not like
they didn't sell enough to cover how much it cost to Port a game yeah like
are you kidding me you're just porting it you think there's not enough people
that are going to buy it like it's a joke you know what's the one that I find
most offensive I like Halo one I won't I
won't play it on an Xbox because playing Shooters on a controller is stupid yeah
um Halo 2 I played through like three quarters of the campaign I didn't enjoy
it that much Halo 1 I loved Halo 1
ending of the campaign Halo 1 Co-op is like the one of the greatest why wasn't
I ever able to play co-op first of all what why why can't I play co-op
campaigns on a PC there's like two games Co-op is like a given on a console
yeah and I mean the co-op experience on split screen is stupid and then what
what are you going to do you're going to drag a bunch of consoles together and daisy chain them
like see and then like put like four TVs
in the like it's just stupid it's a terrible user experience I try so hard
to find co-op games yes um it's so
difficult like alien Swarm was one that was kind of fun that was a free game
okay but but anyway so the one that I find most offensive is the one if you I
was going to pick one company that should be the most committed to the PC
platform that should be willing to sort of bite the bullet on a couple people
who download the game it should be Microsoft yeah yeah they have had every
chance over the last 10 years to save the PC as a gaming platform yeah and
they have not only not enabled others to
to to support it but they have totally abandoned it themselves well they didn't
own halo for a while they do now right
right so so where's my Halo 4 where's my Halo 3 for that matter did they own it
for Halo 3 I don't know I don't care I don't think they did okay where's my
Halo 4 I could totally be wrong I'm not that good with consoles but yeah I know
right where's my Halo 4 though I don't know it's not not yet was that Halo was
that I thought it was Hal just got released I'm really bad with conso I
thought it was one of their named things like and whatever fired cuz I don't
something to console yeah our viewers want to know about
actually I don't think they do I actually played it I played the new Halo it's actually pretty this probably looks
really inappropriate for a console game oh yeah Sor it's it's a mouse there's
show them the mouse pad show them the mouse pad thank you there's a reason for
that okay you know what why don't we do Twitter Q&A for the last oh wow two
minutes um did you have any other like killer topics that we had to cover not
really I don't think okay sorry guys this is going to look inappropriate
again no just what you do when the internet is out and artificial product
differentiation artificial oh yeah I hate artificial product different we'll
talk about that next week okay okay some people would bought it on a PC would
have to get it for console said the Twitter questions might want to change
the focus of your camera slightly to the foreground you know what it's on auto I should probably just send it to manual
you're right can't believe split screen hasn't killed the console I know right I
mean like remember oh you're too young did you play uh did you play7 goldm on
n6 are you kidding me of course I did I still have it yeah that was pretty good
four controllers play it all the time can you imagine if you'd been able to
play that with like dedicated screens for so
epic like
like back to Twitter questions okay Xbox
is pirated someone owns your coat I'm sorry like that is my coat I got
something nice way to go Taylor get on with the topic man and get rid of slick
he blows I think that's the same guy as before yeah you blow no yeah same
different why hasn't physical media move from optical disc to flash drive digital
is decent but Broadband isn't always cheaper available um flash drive is
still more expensive than Optical discs are like yeah discs cost nothing to make
super super super cheap they make them in huge batches and it's so prevalent
that you could probably find out of out of a 100 computers 99 of them would have
an optical drive or some kind of access to an optical drive and maybe 20% of
them would actually have an SD card reader so there's your
answer um GTA sucks but yes Halo is by far the most offensive thank you John I
agree for cooling performance 480 mil Rad or thicker than normal 360 I'd go
thick 360 really actually maybe not I'd
probably go thin 480 with low RPM fans yeah that's what I expected you to yeah
okay but then like finding a case I can fit that
too it's not that easy tj07 bam well
yeah but that's tj07 360 tj7 $360 $360
$360 why did Twitter just sign out I don't know we to go with the touch
mouse a you're killing me here and
xsplit is like gone you know what that's gonna that's going to do it for tonight
so I'm just gonna sort of do this some more and uh shut this down so thank you
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