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we're on time we're not even quite on time I'm still hello

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everyone yeah I guess you're not really on camera no I'm I'm not I'm not even

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there and the party the show don't start till I walk in so yeah we we are we are

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not we're then where's your little keyboard I need to change the scene it's

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over here here okay I don't remember which ones do

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oh you you're not even signed in on Twitter anymore what no no that's on

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that's on uh no no no don't worry about it don't worry about it that's uh that's

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on uh Chrome see Firefox oh here you go

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hey hey Twitter no no go for Twitter questions

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no Twitter questions yet lannis do you

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still use Gunner glasses no I do not in fact I gave them to Slick

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today right um I sure did I sure did

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no vcon 07 no it will not help okay so

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who wants uh who wants slick to shave his horrible disgusting ugly mustach

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can't see it see it there we go yeah who wants them to shave his disgusting

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mustache on the live stream tonight it's for mber I think I'm supposed to keep it

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till midnight but if the if the consensus is yes then you know what it's

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so freaking ugly that um I think that

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everyone will forgive you if you actually just don't um don't keep that

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on anymore and besides I mean an interesting point that I would like to

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make I think it's interesting because it's my point is that um actually in

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midnight here no but I get a real kick out of that because on Twitter I have a

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Canada to which I have to sort of take

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it deep breath by the way time zones yeah by the

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basically all you need to know we have multiple time zones so the time like

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time zone that is on the very far East Coast or like off the east coast Canada

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is like on islands and stuff yeah did you know that there's an island in the

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actually did not know that yeah there's like a small island there and like I

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think they actually have French citizens like living there like France French

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in fact it's possible they're not even there anymore but

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um cool yeah why don't we start with why don't we start with a little bit more a

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little bit more Twitter questions let's have a look at some Twitter questions here switch to the thing haha you're not

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on camera anymore anyway it's the lius tech tips live stream I can be all like

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Bam Bam n you're invited bam you're

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uninvited where is slick from slick where are you

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from Canada Canada yeah you can tell from his jacket all Canadians have a

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jacket like this this actually his

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jacket I was trying to I was trying to the shoulders are tight I was

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trying you know what sizes and

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everything uh we're wearing jackets cuz we're in his garage which is the new

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studio and it's kind of cool yeah it's pretty chilly in here it's just over 10°

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we're trying to keep baby noises out of the video we're trying to keep our noises away from the baby when he's

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sleeping so we're in sort of the new studio space you know what we should do

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you know what we should do on the live stream right now A yes okay cuz it's

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still early cuz the YouTube video is not up yet so lots of people haven't joined

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operate the camera for a little bit we're going to let them we're going to

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going to hang on the wall and where we're going to put it actually no we're

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not going to let them decide decide what to hang on the wall because I've already decided that but we're going to let them

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decide where we're going to put it so I'm going to

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find this which I want to put on the wall so this is a this is a

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yeah um Barts 6870 yeah so this is the

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this is the video card that was in the first video I ever made that got over a

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should go on the wall of ridiculously epic stuff so I'd like you guys to

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achievement that getting a million views on one video on the YouTubes is or do

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you want it more on the bottom with more like um you know because it's

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left or on the right near the axe so so

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guys this is going to be on Twitter and I'm going to go ahead I'm going to

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switch to the Twitter feed so you guys can see and uh yeah look's not really

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pointing at anything right now maybe if I stand sit here I don't know what he's

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pointing at oh it's this one there we go Okay so uh I'm going to see what the

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giveaway okay is that a steel series Sensei behind you yes it is watching

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live from the UK yes you are thank you for getting up so early or staying up so

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late whichever you did bad cable management behind me oh yeah that's my

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yeah that's good hang the axe on the wall the ax is on the

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wall it's even in the picture right now that's from art vanderlay I mean yeah

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castanza uh that's a nice ax slick is

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awesome you guys are going to make slick all full of himself well not that one

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guy what the one guy say oh yeah no oh

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oh find that tweet that was hilarious that was absolutely hilarious I don't

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think I'm going to be able to find the Tweet but it was NE okay this guy says left middle to top 45° top and Center

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take the axe Off the Wall take the take the axe Off the Wall are you kidding me

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no way the ax can stay yeah that's like what if zombies come in the middle of a

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live stream and we could not defend ourselves and you guys had to watch us

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die we have one sword and one axe we both need one weapon yeah oh oh find the

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Tweet go get the sword too though okay yeah we need the sword got to have The

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left at top top top Center I'm seeing a lot of votes for top Center top Center

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to the left of the axe yeah okay got it

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top Center basically near the axe right above the axe okay okay yep so that's

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what we're going to do we are going to put this graphics card up at the top of

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the wall near the ax kind of in the center and I'm really not sure how this

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is going to play out because I can't really fit back here right now with this

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test bench here and sl's obviously not

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lifting a finger to help me cuz I can't fit right there what do I even pay you

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for I can't fit back there you don't pay me to be small ow my ankle oh I just kic

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I just kicked a hard drive and it fell on my ankle and there goes the Corsair

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Survivor that's okay don't worry it'll survive it's all good I got it okay so

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um okay here we go here we go oh you have to show them that tweet you have to

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show them that tweet I got find it I think it was only sent to you I don't

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know it was only sent to me I think so didn't you oh oh okay um no cuz if you

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search for see that's the stupid thing about

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Twitter it's like you can't search it's ridiculous so difficult to what do you

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think like here or like down a bit down a wee bit

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a peg board because I wanted to be able to get these hooks I ordered a bunch

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more off eBay so that I could just hang stuff on the wall and uh have it look

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kind of like kind of cool and like industrial and uh I mean there's no way

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ghetto okay and I'm kind of stuck so uh

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are you trying to find the Tweet or have we given up on that I'm trying to find it I don't know if I will though yeah so

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somehow this live stream will become about computer hardware at some point

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guys don't worry we're uh don't worry we got we got this um okay this is going to

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look really awkward but can you come like push against my back I can't put

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any pressure on it because I'm standing so close to the wall that if I put any

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force on this then it will push me backwards okay there we go oh okay hold

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on that's a little hard no it's not hard

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enough for those of you tuning

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in we are hanging something on the wall

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and what we're doing right now is 100%

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necessary don't don't worry about it it's

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cockroach oh it's not going in all right

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well okay hold on got to like brace

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myself better okay okay just find a discussion topic or something oh god

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well we could talking about Intel or Scythe no no we should do Intel later

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when uh when more people have tuned in yeah we can talk about uh no cuz Scythe

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was one of the ones that I teased on the uh on the intro video as well so I don't

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want to I don't want to use that one yet when none of those people have tuned in

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yet this is this is really

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awkward uh mind sweeper Adventure Mode I didn't tell you what that was anyways

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yeah okay so in Windows 8 if you download mind sweeper Windows 8 doesn't

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actually come with it um why doesn't Windows 8 come with mind sweeper that's

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a tradition yeah but if you go on the uh the store you can download it like

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instantly and it's a tiny little package so it's not really that big of a deal but you're a tiny package I disagree um

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ow but yeah if you download mind sweeper on Windows 8 you can the camera's like

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pointing way off right now but anyways watching lonus climb around in the

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background don't worry about it okay okay mind sweeper Adventure mode yeah if

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you download Windows 8 mind sweeper you can then access adventure mode and it's

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like an RPG version of Mind sweeper and how does it have you played it yes you

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you have to it uses mind sweeper mechanics so you can move across the

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screen and you have to like gather gold and get keys and unlock doors and fight

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monsters and travel your way through and like collect items and everything are

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you freaking kidding me 100% And it moves um it moves like left to right

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instead of Mind sweeper where you start anywhere you start on the far left and

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then you can move to the right and you have to like progress proper L and acquire all the items and then get to

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the Final Exit and then you get different scores based on how many of

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the items you get CU you can get to the exit without getting like say all the gold bars but then you didn't do very

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well if you just rushed to the exit so yeah it's pretty cool is it fun though

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yeah it's actually kind of fun oh sweet yeah okay I'll have to try that it's

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like Minecraft mixed with mind sweeper I

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have never actually played Minecraft I'm sort of afraid to do it

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because I tend to have kind of a kind of an addictive personality like when I

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played wow for 2 months I played wow for two months right right right yeah and

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then I was like oh I can't do this and I feel like you would just pick

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some really really Grand project and not

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quit until you complete the whole thing well my obsessive compulsive disorder

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would uh and I don't actually I'm not diagnosed with obsessive compulsive

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disorder just for the viewers not I'm not mocking it or anything but it's just

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it's just like I I can be a little bit OCD about things

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sometimes as well this is making really bad

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noises are you actually going into the wall or you I went at kind of a weird

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angle not going to lie maybe we should only hang one thing

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on the live stream maybe we should just hang one thing on the live stream what

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do you think probably okay good idea

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that was my idea but you know you tried to steal it um yeah so that did not go

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as planned are you good um yeah I think

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I can get down do you want to go adjust the camera in the meantime yeah so that

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if I do fall and hurt myself that they won't necessarily get to witness every

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gory moment of it oh no I'm just going to make sure that it's all on camera

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it's funny because someone was saying they were like oh what's that table

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you're using for your set it's awesome

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and um I need a new table and that looks really good and it's funny because these

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are the crappiest tables in the world they weigh about a billion tons look if

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I stand on them they shake like this like they're not sturdy at all but

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they they're like so heavy they're ancient Ikea like garbage um like the

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the the the actual color of these tables is basically like um there's another

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tabletop it's outside or something but it's like the most horrible color in the

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world I just spray painted them and I know it's not going to hold out very

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well but it's just temporary so uh yeah

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so so yeah there's nothing special about them you do not want these

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cables okay slick come on back and maybe

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we'll actually uh maybe we'll actually like do a live stream maybe we should

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Dive Right into Intel you know what's awesome is that they actually can't even

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see that graphics card that I spent all that time putting up can you play

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and he almost knocked over a light we're good we're good what do I even pay you

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for I don't know not oh it's reflecting

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okay hold on I'll fix it

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we good yeah all right see always keep a

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sword handy yeah oh yeah a lot of people have

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commented on my sword I got it at the Richmond KN Market it's folded steel so

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it's not actually like one of those swords that's just just totally a

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replica and totally useless it is sharp so like if we were fighting right now I

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I would stand a cuz he's much larger than me um it's

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only half Tang so you can see the uh the

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pins only go down to here so it's not a proper it's like it's not a proper

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proper sword but you know I basically I basically told the

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guy I was like well I don't care how it looks but I want something that's

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actually legitimately a sword not something that's like a glorified toy

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yeah um so so this is what he this is what he came up with for me and I was

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like okay yeah we're done we're cool that's good anyway we'll put that aside

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for now um and then the axe has sort of

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a less interesting story behind it the axe this ARM goes up to point at the axe

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the axe um I needed to do some yard work and so my dad brought over his tools to

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help me and then he forgot his axe so I requisitioned it which is pretty much

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how I mean who here has ever who here has ever stolen a tool from their

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dad yeah

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it's like when I first started working on computers I never bought my own screwdrivers but I had my own

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screwdrivers yeah I mean by the time by the time you're like 30 you probably

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haven't actually bought any tools yet there all your dads but your dad's just

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like why have I bought three dremels in the last 10 years well I'm sure my dad

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knows at one point in time I think he just kind of bought another set of

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screwdrivers and just left cuz there's this like gray box that has these yellow

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handled screwdrivers in them that I've just always kind of had but they were

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always definitely his yeah and I think at one point in time he just gave up and

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bought his own like another set of his own yeah and was just like oh he can

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have those whatever it's fine I think the thing that my dad

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eventually gave in and just bought me was a cordless drill oh yeah because I

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was always always stealing it you know

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what for my birth for my last birthday he actually got me a circular saw oh

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yeah and the funny thing about that is the one that he got me ended up being

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DOA and so all this stuff that I've been

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doing in here like putting together for those of you who haven't seen it I have

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a white box now okay see I have a white box now I

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built myself like some walls and stuff see cool stuff right uh so so my white

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box was built without the benefit of a circular saw which would have been

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beneficial um instead I used a jiga to

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cut through stuff that was like this thick which I'm very sure it's not

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supposed to do yeah it's not good for it

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probably just not the best application yeah yeah but I mean it was fast and it

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was better than and the funny thing is I don't have a wood saw but I do have a hacksaw so I was like okay I can either

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use a hacka metal saw or I can use a

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jigsaw neither of which are for this no

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no yeah no just no uh where did our mouse pad that's

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behind you all right let's do some let's do

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some Tweeter so moving um is this like

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working it's you turn the mouse off yeah here

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okay cover him up cover him up oh he's

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hideous are you guys over how hot he is yet can we just how do I scroll on this

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thing it doesn't work I don't know yeah

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and I'm like scrolling here try it

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again well here click on the window at least make it the Focus

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window okay try it

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again oh you're at the top are you doing that with the

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keyboard stop stop pressing the keyboard

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you're trolling me stop okay okay okay

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okay that's okay I'll scroll through them he want to hang the katana I never

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gave my dad that great n screwdriver it's a flathead and can screww and

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unscrew everything I have never heard of a Nar screwdriver here do you want to

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squeeze over a little bit I don't think yeah you're just way

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too large take the whole window what are you

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talking about yeah but that's only because of like my

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buffness you're just tall I don't look that big anymore CU

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you're close to the camera yeah but you're wearing like the big jacket that

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you're wearing to overcompensate for whatever it is you it's your jacket yeah

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and I'm but I'm not wearing it

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should hang the katana on the wall no the katana stays in my uh in my in my

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living room um stop calling Ikea crap uh

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okay I guess I could stop calling

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computers computers and I could stop calling grape

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juice delicious but I'm not going to do either

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of those things I will you ever have estra on the live stream I'm not sure it depends I mean she's pretty busy sort of

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at night and test bench one know which one there's on I can't see that oh a

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test bench our test benches are high-s speeed PC teex stations and then one of

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them is some MSI thing but you want a highspeed PC text station yeah

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um hey flip here likes the new setup

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flip is the first person who has actually given me any positive feedback

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on the new setup with the blue wall and or with the red wall the blue thing um I

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I think I tweeted this but I had someone

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so I had someone give me a put a message on one of my YouTube videos where I was

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showing off the room where they were like oh yeah you should switch the uh

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the colors of the pegboard in the wall that's a lot of work I was like you

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understand that red paint like like red red like like this red is like five

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Coates right like yeah not a lot of work

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not happening at all pardon my frl um

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where do you get your okay what's the difference between a monitor and a TV besides the TV tuner and inputs that's a

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good question question what is the difference between a monitor and a TV slick it's a lot higher quality

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monitor what yeah what do you mean higher quality well the pixel density is

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higher yeah but usually you get way less

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latency pixel density is usually way higher yeah but I don't think the less

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latency is a quality issue because TVs have more complicated processors yeah in

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order to but for what you're using it

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for oh so what you mean is why should a

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computer user not use a TV because I remember there was one guy that used to

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go to the same land parties as me who actually had like a 37 in TV bigger TV

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every time that he was using for his monitor yeah and um so yeah okay fine

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from from a PC application sort of perspective um input leg is much higher

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on TVs they do way more processing on the image because they have to be able

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to um just juice up the colors and make

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it look more better as opposed to more faster um pixel density is very very low

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because I mean a 30in monitor is going to be 2560 by 1600 and a 30in TV will be

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probably 720p even probably yeah usually they yeah like 30 in so I mean you might

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be able to get like a 30 something higher at 1080p but even then that's

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much lower density um I'm not very fluent in TVs at all but the lowest one

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I've seen this 1080p was 36 most TVs aren't TM though so if we were going to

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compare to cheap monitor then so yeah they so so a TV will be

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cheaper higher input leg uh probably

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better colors unless it's a super cheap TV and you're buying like you'd be

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pretty crazy to manufacture a TN TV because the TV would be like 10 ft away

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and people would be like oh I move my head here oh can't see it where and

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people window shop tvs hardcore walk into Best Buy or wherever the heck you

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want to go and then they see them on the wall and then pick one it's usually how

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they do it so you need to like have have

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good picture quality reflex yes you can reuse a hard drive with Windows 7 on a

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new pc Joel says I'm in need of a new pc but

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don't know how to afford it I'm only

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12 Joel you're going to have to wait a bit what did you have for a computer

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when you were 12 uh the one my dad built

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like you but it was yours no no no no oh okay what did you have for your own

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computer when you I did not have my own computer when I was 12 I did it was a

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Pentium 166 MHz I'm actually trying to

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remember when I built my computer maybe it was new then oh okay well I didn't have my own

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computer till I was 16 that was like legit I saved for like and had Onboard

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video nice yeah nice yeah I saved for

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like two or three years GeForce 4mx baby

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that's balling I was way that was quite a bit before my time actually

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yeah uh build a gaming rig for a friend should I use Windows 7 or Windows 8 uh

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can you move the window over a little bit so we don't have that gray bar

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want to thank you sir uh building gaming rig for a friend Windows 7 or Windows 8

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what do you think um if you want to get windows8

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just download them the Windows 8 start bar thing there's like a million

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different programs that do it now uh we we we made a video a while ago about

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Nite so if you're building in the computer if you want to run Nite to

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install all the default programs one of the things in Nite now is Windows 8

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classic start menu oh okay like

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yeah don't get her done yeah I mean Windows 8 is lower is less resource

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intensive it boots and resumes and sleeps faster um it'll obviously get

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more support in the longer run did you hear about the whole Windows blue thing

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no oh not at all so Windows 8 it this is

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this is sort of semi- rumor I don't know how confirmed it is but I was I was just

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reading about it so um you know how OS 10 The Branding hasn't actually changed

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in years yeah they just kind of go 10 point whatever and then it's a new OS

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but it's not that new like they're just making tweaks as they go so what I heard

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is that Windows 8 is actually going to be the last like like for a while it'll

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be Windows 8 and then it'll be every year they'll do a small update at a low

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cost like you know how um like Apple only charges 20 bucks for the next

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iteration of their OS and um I mean what

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do you think so it's going to be Windows blue now and then they're just going to

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change Windows 8 so it's just yeah I think that's like an internal code name

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or something I'm not 100% sure but doesn't okay I'm not that great with

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apple but don't they change like the animal yeah but it's OS leopard snow

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leopard lion tiger so for differ differentiation

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reasons that one's pink that's a they

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should they should um they should have some naming convention to help it along

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okay but it could be like blue and then orange and then yellow or something like I don't know I just heard this blue

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thing and then I was like so kind cool with that are they just copying apple or

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is it this like them no that's what everyone does

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know mobile devices everything they're

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bigger steps but there's always Little Steps in between and like on a mobile

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device you don't pay for it right get it for free so it's not necessarily copying

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if it's the future so you just think the concept of the OS is just changing and

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Microsoft should just get used to giving away Windows and giving away off

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office they better sell a lot of

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Xboxes yeah and yeah surface and like a

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lot of like paid Sky Drive accounts yeah no like can still charge

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for like Windows but it's going to be

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cheaper right okay I think it's going to have to be

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cheaper this is the most homoerotic live stream yet now take off your shirts do

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you want to do it no you sure yes is it

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cuz it's cold in here and your nipples will be all like partially okay but

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definitely not

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completely I have this coffee for the whole live stream yes I play Minecraft

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don't unsub yeah dare you yeah yeah one

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of us plays Minecraft it's all good good enough humble Indie bundle yes oh yeah

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the new humble bundles I guess this one's not indie CU THQ yeah THQ it's

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humble THQ bundle yeah so if you guys don't know about it already there's a

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new Humble Bundle it's a bunch of like legit THQ games what all do they have in

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there it's company hero okay if you pay above the average you get uh slick Row

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the Slick Row the thir slick Row Saints Row see I told you guys you boost this

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guy's ego up and up he's going to think that he's some kind of like game Star

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next thing it's going to be like you know slick PC Blood on the sand and

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you're going to be all like with a bandana and like thug Life 50 Cent yeah

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that's that 50 Cent thing or like you'll be like you'll be like remaking it like

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2 years later like Chronicles of

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Ric I liked Chronicles of rck actually did you like the first one or the second

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one pitch black I don't know pitch black was really good was it okay pitch black

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was like the first one okay okay pitch but pitch black wasn't Chronicles or

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ridic though I think it was just pitch black then I think the next one was Chronicles oric okay whatever um Saints

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Row the Third uh is if you pay above the average when I got it the average was $5

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40 cents no it's way higher now though is it I think it's like 12 bucks now

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really I think that's the biggest they've ever had it for a Humble Bundle

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yeah but it's also like a plus titles oh I know I know like Triple AAA titles so

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um yeah guys check it out just Google Humble Bundle if you haven't uh if you

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haven't heard of it before it's really really awesome Darksiders one is in IT company Heroes with the DLCs is in it um

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and then I think something else but this is all off top my head I don't really

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remember is Metro 2033 in it yes yeah Metro 2033 is in it

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safety word cockroach well yes it's even

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better because it has the word roach in it yeah because you're

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encroaching on my personal space y That's

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exactly uh ala Clary asks how does twitch not

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kick you for not streaming games because they

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don't stop

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uh yikes can you even lift that axe get

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real like slick oh wow wow the this

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guy's drinking the haterade this Nishant guy right here not as much as the guy

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that hates me and I can lift that axe I'll have you know well I can lift the

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axe I put it up there yeah I didn't have slick do it for me

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nope all right clarification okay slick your are you

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like a super fan of Assassin's Creed I freaking love Assassin's Creed uh my

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favorite game series is um the other Scrolls but Assassin's Creed is probably

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my second favorite game series really yeah cuz final fantasyy is

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my favorite have you only played one no I've played lots of them Oh I thought

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you'd only played six no I played through most of the first one but it was

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kind of tough like actual number one or like actual number one I've beat five

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I've beat six I've beat seven I made it like 10 minutes into eight and I was

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like this is ridiculous eight was the first one I played eight was stupid so I

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was like this is sweet and then I played other ones I was like oh I made it all the way through nine um I think 10's the

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one with zidane and Waka and whatnot I get them I made it all the way through

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10 I made it all the way through two I made it all the way through three four I

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think was just rubbish if I recall correctly so I've played most of them

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but honestly guys I was trying to play

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I'm going to have to find out which one it is but it was just terrible I'll

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probably do it now they they got they got tired of in my I know they're

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continuing the story line but it seems like they just got tired of making more numbers so now they just add a dash and

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then another number 133 is I heard I

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heard one of my friends at school talking about 133 today it's like come

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on like at what point are we just going to like they'll start doing it by

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Seasons yeah I was actually thinking the other day they should release a game

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00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:56,960
that's structured like a TV show so you buy the game for like 20 bucks and then

439
00:31:55,279 --> 00:32:02,440
once a week you get more content well it's called episodic game and valve

440
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:04,159
tried to do it where is episode three oh

441
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:09,919
well yeah but they don't release it every week they release it every like 30

442
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:14,039
years valve time week exactly yeah valve

443
00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:14,840
time week Wiki Google Google valve time

444
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:19,799
if you're interested funniest thing ever I'm sure everyone watching this has heard of

445
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:23,279
valve time before though yeah we only have 1,600 people on the stream you guys

446
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:27,320
should tell all of your friends to join the stream because it's

447
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,519
awesome Joshua great question what is your favorite mouse that is still in

448
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:33,679
production because a lot of people ask me what mouse I use I tell them my Cari

449
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:40,679
laser and they can't have one cuz it's discontinued uh g9x is

450
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:45,440
awesome get a g9x because everything else is just sort of totally a waste you

451
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:50,120
know what you know what kills me oh and we're echoing big time what why would we

452
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,600
be echoing no one else has complained about it

453
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:58,600
yet I don't know I don't think you have the stream open in another window both

454
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:59,720
of our browsers are up yeah

455
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,159
oh it's probably just because of the garage guys the mic's a little bit

456
00:33:01,639 --> 00:33:08,279
further away from us so there's not really a whole lot we can do there's going to be a little bit of echo uh my

457
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:11,639
foam strategy is not really doing anything and it's not covering the whole

458
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:16,039
ceiling yet and it's not covering the room yet I have to cover like that wall

459
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,960
and I have to cover the ceiling and yeah bear with us guys bear with us and

460
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:25,760
apparently I got the average totally wrong for the Humble Bundle it's only like six bucks so yeah it's usually

461
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:28,559
right around six bucks great deal oh oh check this out get rid of slick what a

462
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:34,279
mean yeah sck you're

463
00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:38,159
fired um why do you why don't you put the

464
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:42,519
Twitter feet above your heads I like to see you and Slick interact and covering

465
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:47,880
him up isn't I thought it helped I mean here try it it's like when they get have

466
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:51,279
to do like the eye test it's like better

467
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,760
worse better worse and then you like

468
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:56,200
pick which one is better I'd love to I'd love to hear what you guys think okay so

469
00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:02,639
here you find a topic I have to go log into my email where I arived all of thep

470
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,799
talk uh sure let's do that one let's do

471
00:34:02,639 --> 00:34:09,720
that one okay so go ahead I'm listening uh Intel

472
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:15,040
with uh Broadwell is going to be releasing BGA socket BGA socket is going

473
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,639
to be soldered in so it's not swapable um apparently this will only be

474
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:24,440
replacing the tier of processors around like the 1155 tier not the 2011 tier so

475
00:34:22,359 --> 00:34:29,240
you'll still have like the expensive tier of processors workstation um it'll

476
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:33,679
probably overlap with the server socket in all likelihood I can't see them going

477
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:39,119
to three sockets no no I seriously don't I can't imagine why AMD is using three

478
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:46,679
sockets anyway sorry sorry like moving moving right along so go ahead um

479
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:49,440
yeah that's what it is what are your

480
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:53,399
thoughts I'm not happy because I come from more of the value oriented series

481
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,879
of things okay because most of the computers that I have built have been on

482
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,160
a pretty tight budget um and I know you're going to bring up how many times

483
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:04,880
do you swap your processor oh that's coming that's coming for you like this

484
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:08,480
but I actually totally agree you totally agree with what I think it sucks because

485
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,800
I want to have more choices I don't think it sucks because I want to change

486
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:17,640
my processor all that often because I can't actually think of a time when

487
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,480
myself or most not all of my friends

488
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:23,119
most have decided that they want to change their processor before a newer

489
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:26,359
and better architecture has come out that they wanted to upgrade to anyway so

490
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:31,280
they had to buy a new motherboard all right I'm going to play a little bit of Devil's advocate here and I'm going to

491
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:35,520
give you all the reasons why Intel and the industry might want to do this I

492
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:39,400
don't care why they want to do it no no all the reasons why it might be

493
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:43,920
justified okay okay first of okay why don't we do why Intel wants to do it so

494
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:48,280
Intel wants to take as much control of the experience as possible we've seen

495
00:35:46,359 --> 00:35:52,640
this over the last few years they integrated a memory controller they

496
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:58,160
integrated a PCI Express um interface they

497
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:02,920
integrated uh GPU yeah they're integrating more and more and and more

498
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:06,800
onto the CPU itself so what is this doing it's taking differentiation away

499
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:11,359
from the board partners because it used to be like it wasn't that long ago that

500
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:16,920
you could differentiate your board based on how great of a memory overclocker it

501
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,800
was like um ocz had like the coolest

502
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:23,359
thing ever it was like it was called the DDR booster do you know about this no oh

503
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:27,720
the DDR booster was amazing okay so it fit in a dim slot and it worked with

504
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:33,839
certain boards where you could just crank the beesus out of the voltage to

505
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:40,599
your memory so guys were using bh5 back then um so this was like a legendary

506
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:42,160
wind Bond bh5 chips to just crank way

507
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:46,800
too much voltage like doubling the voltage of their memory and uh and and

508
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:50,040
that was resulting in tangible performance gains and part of the reason

509
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:54,359
for that was because the motherboard designers actually had to

510
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,240
optimize the the timings internally within the North Bridge and the way it

511
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,200
communicated with the CPU the way it communic at with the memory a

512
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:05,960
motherboard was actually in some ways way more complicated 5 years ago 8 years

513
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:10,680
ago than it is now and important now it doesn't do almost anything there isn't

514
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:15,200
even a PCI controller on an entry level board think about that for a minute what

515
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:22,520
is it even doing in there that requires a high-speed interconnect Thunderbolts

516
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:25,920
an off chip separate chip yeah yeah um

517
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:28,920
USB 3 is built into the chipset but I

518
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,319
mean okay so it's 5 GB per second total

519
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:36,839
across all the ports so it's not like this is a super so it's we still got

520
00:37:33,319 --> 00:37:38,240
SATA and SATA I mean like are we at the

521
00:37:36,839 --> 00:37:42,200
end of SATA what's the new one that's coming something Express or something right I don't remember the name of it

522
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:46,040
but yeah we're I don't think SATA's developing anymore are they yeah SATA I

523
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:49,319
think is just done and so SATA I mean ultimately that's probably going to go

524
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:53,960
on chip because if it's going to be any faster than sort of SATA USB 3 they're

525
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,800
going to have to move it on chip okay so so Intel's taking more and more of the

526
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:02,800
ecosystem and they're putting it into the chip this does a few different things so it saves on cost it saves on

527
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:06,400
complexity and drives up margins theoretically for everyone but in

528
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:10,160
practice mostly for in mostly for Intel mostly for Intel um the other thing that

529
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:15,000
I thought was fascinating is because of AMD's complacency or lack of execution

530
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:20,480
or whatever else you want to call it Intel has been spending so much less on

531
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:25,960
die area for the actual CPU portion if you compare the die size of an Intel

532
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:28,240
Core i5 3570k to what would be the most

533
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:32,760
equivalent AMD chip something like an fx8350 where they're equivalent in terms

534
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:36,079
of their actual real world performance I I don't remember the exact size

535
00:38:34,359 --> 00:38:42,240
difference but Intel is spending less than half on the actual CPU logic

536
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,040
portion compared to what AMD that means the actual cost of that chip is less

537
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:49,920
than half well they've been able to just sit there with all their R&D time that

538
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:55,079
they just don't really have to utilize lately and just spend it on like okay

539
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:58,079
let's save money right let's make it smaller and smaller and smaller it's

540
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:03,240
like Kepler how Kepler is a much smaller physically GPU than FY was with a little

541
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:07,079
like plastic extension on the end um so right so Intel is because they don't

542
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:12,160
have to they don't have to keep pushing die sizes in order to get more performance because no one's biting at

543
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,599
their heels um they're bringing more and more on board so this is a natural

544
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:19,760
extension so now what Intel is going to do and it it aligns with corporate

545
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:25,400
branding as well because just like something like Ultrabook they can go

546
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:28,000
okay this is a core this is a core i7

547
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:32,960
platform if you want a core I seven you're going to get you know SLI and

548
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:36,200
Crossfire and you know 16x PCIe you're going to get Thunderbolt you're going to

549
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:40,119
get blah blah blah blah blah and it comes with this CPU so they generate a

550
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:47,599
very consistent experience and from a branding perspective it's much easier so

551
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:49,040
the um the parts where I'm okay so so

552
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:53,400
there there that's that's why all this is happening it's lower cost it's uh

553
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:58,720
it's more integrated it's easier to control it takes more of the more of the

554
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,520
value and more of the uh more of The Branding and puts it on Intel and takes

555
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:06,440
it away from the guys producing motherboards um so here I'm going to

556
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:12,359
start to advocate for why it's a good idea okay uh lower costs will ultimately

557
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:16,200
benefit the consumer at some point you can be as cynical as you want about it

558
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:23,000
but at the end of the day how much did a computer cost 20 years ago yeah yeah

559
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:25,240
miniaturization has come for us we have

560
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:31,079
benefited from process shrinks and from lowering bomb costs so maybe your

561
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,520
desktop gaming computer actually isn't

562
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:37,079
going to go down in price much between now and the next 5 years but the

563
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:42,280
computer that sits in the dash of your car and the computer that sits in the

564
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:47,680
back of your TV and all those computers that will now be all over the place will

565
00:40:44,839 --> 00:40:52,119
be a better value so overall it will come for you you will get a better value

566
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:57,599
out of all of these out of this tighter integration okay number two I actually

567
00:40:55,240 --> 00:41:03,280
inherently trust Intel to deliver a cons experience yeah if I buy an Intel

568
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,920
motherboard I don't it to overclock like Sting I don't expect it to necessarily

569
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:11,280
have all the best features but I expect it to work yeah it'll work it'll do what

570
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,839
it said it does because they will always follow the code yes they will make a

571
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:19,760
standard that they know works and they will follow it they will follow it yeah

572
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:24,880
to the letter for Better or For Worse but usually for better yeah if I buy an

573
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:27,040
Intel SSD I expect it will work I mean

574
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,800
same thing like for my server machine you you see an agility hanging out of it

575
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:36,480
right now that's not what I'll actually be running the OS off of it's an old x2m

576
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,800
because I'd rather use that um so from

577
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:43,800
from a consumer standpoint I'm looking at it going okay well yeah that's fine

578
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:47,280
okay so next is let's talk

579
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:49,520
performance do you need more performance

580
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,520
than a

581
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:58,760
3770k yeah what for uh hire and stuff not not gaming not

582
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:06,880
gaming okay so then you should be buying a professional platform yeah okay so for

583
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:13,359
your most of your friends who want to play Black Ops

584
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:15,640
2 or whatever game that isn't rubbish um

585
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:20,000
new new Elder Scrolls game whatever else have we reached a point where the

586
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,280
CPU is really really not holding back the gaming experience I think what's

587
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:28,480
more holding back to gaming experience is consoles well yes um and I think gra

588
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:33,079
cards are going to be holding it back very very soon and hard pushing engines

589
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:36,920
and graphics cards and whatnot and 4K and 4K 4K is going to just C whatever

590
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,839
graphics card you have right now 4K is going to crush it y even modern games

591
00:42:39,319 --> 00:42:44,359
today if you were going to try and run them at 4K it'll just destroy them like

592
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:50,720
just crush them they don't have enough RAM they don't have enough horsepower it's going to crush them so if we're

593
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:54,960
expecting cry engine 3 to bring a completely new level of graphical

594
00:42:52,839 --> 00:42:59,359
quality and then we're expecting to run it at 4K resolution and then we've got

595
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:04,319
NVIDIA spending half as much on die siiz for their high-end card as they did a

596
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:06,119
generation ago um and delivering sort of

597
00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:10,200
incremental generational upgrades on a longer and longer cycle because they

598
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:14,480
have less and less pressure from AMD I'm actually sort of worried cuz we're going

599
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:20,079
to want 4K 3D which means we're going to have to push 120 FPS at four times the

600
00:43:17,319 --> 00:43:24,119
sort of when 4K gets more popular I think even

601
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:28,599
if this going to be really pressured by ATI well AMD have you seen AMD stock

602
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,400
price have you seen how much cash they have left yeah but the graphics CS are

603
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:37,160
still pushing pretty damn hard not profitably I mean again AMD is

604
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:43,800
another great example on the graphics cores I think their die is like 30 40

605
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:46,319
50% bigger than n's die yeah so in terms

606
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:50,520
of any from a business standpoint

607
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:57,599
trouble yeah I don't know but they will be pressured by what the consumers need

608
00:43:54,119 --> 00:44:01,119
though but do the consumers need it but

609
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:03,839
you you just said 4K I need it 4K gaming

610
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:08,280
but I mean graphics card sales like if you look at if you look at the at the

611
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:11,720
market numbers are going like this and it's funny because everyone wants to

612
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:15,920
talk about PC gaming is alive PC gaming is alive PC gaming is alive but it's not

613
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:20,960
um you because of what we just said though nothing pushes it Plants versus

614
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:23,280
Zombies World of Warcraft that is PC

615
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:27,400
gaming now yeah so no one needs a GTX 680 for that but even like brand new

616
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:31,079
high-end Shooters it doesn't matter because they're all running terrible

617
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:34,240
engines that don't matter yes cry engine will hopefully push it and 4K will

618
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:39,240
hopefully push it so people will actually care about buying a new graphics card it'll have been a long

619
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:44,680
time I think the last the last time I think people were really passionate and

620
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:48,640
driven to buy a new graphics card was

621
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:51,280
8800 series and crisis yeah I mean it's

622
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:55,640
still it's still there the the old thing but can it run crisis still matters it

623
00:44:54,520 --> 00:45:01,800
still matters um which is ridiculous but true

624
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:05,040
okay but I would argue that as soon as uh as soon as all of these limitations

625
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:09,960
hit us CPU actually won't be that important because GPU will remain better

626
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:15,440
for things like physics calculations whether it's using opencl or physx or

627
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:17,800
Cuda or whatever else um and the CPU

628
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:21,119
will be more than enough you manage sit there and manage yeah it's just going to

629
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:26,040
sit there and manage so okay so I would argue that for 98% of people we actually

630
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:31,480
don't need more performance than we have today go ahead keep shrinking it staple

631
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:36,000
them all together save power you sound like that guy that said

632
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:39,480
we don't need more than 60 F 56 KOB of RAM that's a misquote by the way he

633
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:47,040
apparently never said that someone said that was Gill Gat um okay so the next

634
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:50,400
one the next one from my side is we might not need it now we will need it at

635
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:56,839
some point okay the next one one from my side is is more Choice good for the

636
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:56,839
consumer

637
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:04,040
why would it be bad for the consumer because consumers often don't know what they're doing do you know how many

638
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:06,559
systems I've seen come across my desk where I'm like

639
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:15,359
really yeah but it's still nice to have Choice why how okay okay okay here

640
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:21,119
choice always drives competition uh okay but those you know

641
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:25,520
ASUS MSI Gigabyte ASRock well maybe ASRock to a lesser extent if they get

642
00:46:22,839 --> 00:46:28,960
acquired but um those guys are always going to be competing anyway you you

643
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:34,000
still have choice but you won't be able to make the wrong choice you won't be

644
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:36,119
able to make a bad choice right because

645
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:42,040
someone will validate at some level that that's not a completely ridiculous

646
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,839
configuration and for you the Enthusiast

647
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:49,200
I believe it doesn't matter because you would have bought a saber-tooth and a

648
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:52,280
3570k anyway like if a literally think

649
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:55,760
about this if as Seuss solded a 3570k to

650
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:58,839
the saber-tooth would it bother you no

651
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,839
that's a huge amount of

652
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:04,599
but still it's still nice what do you mean but still I don't know I still want

653
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:10,440
the option to put it in myself if you needed th if you needed Thunderbolt would it

654
00:47:08,359 --> 00:47:14,200
bother you that much to spend an extra $100 overall on the platform you already

655
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,960
spend have to spend like an extra 80 bucks on the motherb that's right so the

656
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:23,119
more integrated it gets yeah true so so so if you were if

657
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,960
you needed a premium feature like Thunderbolt does it bother you that you

658
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:32,160
have to buy an i7 no okay not

659
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:35,520
really so okay so those are my those are those are my three points so Point

660
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:38,800
number one is ultimately the cost savings will come to the consumer okay

661
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:43,559
the main the main reason why I don't like it is the more that this H like I

662
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:47,640
don't want this to be the like the person who kicks the ball and it just

663
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,559
continues to roll down the hill I don't want everything to just be like oh I

664
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,880
bought a motherboard I know have a computer like I don't want that to

665
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:59,200
happen why not it'll be cheaper but that's so lame and that will destroy

666
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:02,359
like why we're here right now it'll be fast

667
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:08,720
enough we can talk about which motherboard is the best and we'll have

668
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:13,800
one product to talk about and it'll be a saber-tooth with a 3570k is that such a

669
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:20,040
bad thing oh I don't know I mean okay look

670
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:26,839
here think about it this way do you want the PC to succeed yeah

671
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:29,079
okay what do you see apple doing they

672
00:48:26,839 --> 00:48:32,960
profit last quarter was more than most of the rest of the entire PC industry

673
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:36,920
all put together yeah but that's a specific statistic and I can throw a

674
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:40,599
billion more okay but I think we can agree that they got there with

675
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:45,559
Simplicity Yeah by bundling things together by I mean honestly I think the

676
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:51,720
fact that Apple now has iPhone 5 iPhone 4S and iPhone 4 at three different price

677
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:54,000
points is a huge stumble compared to

678
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:58,240
what's made them so powerful because their whole thing was this is the phone

679
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:02,359
this is the only phone you need buy this phone Nothing Else Matters that's been

680
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:07,599
their whole thing if you want a desktop computer buy an iMac there's not many

681
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:12,559
configurations don't worry it's what you need that's been their whole thing and

682
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:17,599
so if the PC is going to gain traction with the mainstream consumers where why

683
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:20,359
did we lose all these Gamers to

684
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:25,720
consoles because they bought one thing and it ran everything we needed

685
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:29,240
yeah how do we get them

686
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:31,200
back I don't know so there I don't

687
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:34,960
necess just to disclaim this guys I don't necessarily believe this is the

688
00:49:32,799 --> 00:49:39,240
best thing ever but that was my devil's advocate sort of here's why it's

689
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:44,359
happening I think it sucks because losing like I think it's good because

690
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:49,000
when you're building a computer for your buddy who doesn't care or when you're

691
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:53,920
building a computer for your mom or your your friends like oh I want to come play

692
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:57,760
Star Citizen with you guys when it's released and you're like all right man

693
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:02,640
I'll build you this like whatever no big deal I'll build you an i7 ASUS yeah and

694
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:09,559
it'll have everything he needs yeah but then when I'm building a computer for myself I want to be able to pick

695
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:10,880
everything Pony up I know and that's

696
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:17,920
that's the thing at the same time but then when like 16-year-old me or

697
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:24,280
16-year-old dude that messages me on Twitter is like I'm super into computers

698
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:26,200
I love it I want to build one I'm going

699
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,960
to have to be like yo get this kind of cop out pre-built thing because that's

700
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,799
what it's going to be now it's pre-built systems but it'll be a better value for

701
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:41,799
him I mean it's the same thing as it is with 1155 in 2011 today 1155 for 99% of

702
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:45,359
people will perform better yeah unless you're a high-end video editor graphic

703
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:51,520
designer whatever else for your mom and your dad and your brother and yourself

704
00:50:48,359 --> 00:50:52,920
1155 literally performs better because

705
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:58,559
it's mainstream enough that the economies of scale allow them to push

706
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:03,040
the performance to to to to cycle the technology faster they can they can

707
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:07,000
recoup their R&D investment faster and create a new chip and cycle it cycle it

708
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:10,359
cycle it whereas with 2011 because it's so Niche they have to have a longer

709
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,200
cycle that's just the way it works because and it could be good because

710
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:19,240
maybe more people will buy that level so it'll become less Niche so the Cycles

711
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:22,319
will go faster but then replace the

712
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:24,280
console yeah I freaking hope so but like

713
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:28,880
I don't really see that happening because like the Bro aspect

714
00:51:26,839 --> 00:51:33,880
consoles is not going to go away no seriously though um and I just like I

715
00:51:31,799 --> 00:51:37,400
said earlier I don't want it to just be the first kick that starts the ball ring

716
00:51:35,799 --> 00:51:41,200
okay would a more standardized PC platform make for a better experience

717
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:46,440
even for yourself remember the first time oh no that was uh that was diesel

718
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:48,760
never mind okay um okay what if things

719
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:53,799
were so standard that Windows was able to come with your usb3 driver it already

720
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:57,480
does and you didn't Windows 8 does okay Windows 8 does fine whatever whatever

721
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:01,359
the new thing is then whatever some new thing is that comes out what if because

722
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:06,000
is that their plan with their little mini development the more integrated

723
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:10,640
things we'll get the more integrated things will be you know I mean is that

724
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:13,960
Microsoft's plan with their mini drops mini operating system drops oh

725
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:17,680
potentially I don't know like I I only know what I said about that one before

726
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:21,280
so I'm not exactly sure but but will a more integrated experience be bad I

727
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:26,760
don't I don't think so I just think it'll suck for the super super techy

728
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:29,319
custom builder guys which is Who We Are

729
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:33,040
trying to but it'll drive down overhead at a retailer perspective at a system

730
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:38,359
builder perspective a huge Global Perspective it's probably better for

731
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,480
like me I don't like it as much right

732
00:52:38,359 --> 00:52:44,359
okay well there you go guys I hope uh we actually haven't been looking at any

733
00:52:41,799 --> 00:52:47,319
tweets or any uh twitch chat so I hope you guys haven't been just kind of

734
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:54,280
sitting there complaining that this is super boring

735
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:55,680
um and uh yeah what Eddie said here well

736
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,760
you have to show them what Eddie said geez so Eddie says he doesn't you know what

737
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:05,559
yeah let's take some of your comments on this discussion topic because I think this is really important um for the

738
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:09,559
industry in general and for for every Enthusiast uh whether you whether you

739
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,640
want to take sort of my devil's advocate side or whether you want to take slick

740
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:16,839
side I mean quite frankly here actually okay a little bit more uh quite frankly

741
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:20,680
my computer is an LGA 2011 not because it performs better for what I do because

742
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:26,799
it doesn't if I really wanted the best performance possible I'd get a 3770k

743
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:29,000
just like everyone else um but because I

744
00:53:26,799 --> 00:53:33,520
wanted the baller platform I wanted the flexibility to put in as much RAM as I

745
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:37,880
wanted I wanted to have all those PCI Express Lanes just in case I decide I'm

746
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:41,920
going to put a 10 gabit Nick in there and a raid card and a graphics card and

747
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:46,040
a sound card and I wanted them all to have as much band with as they possibly

748
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:52,319
could so the Enthusiast in me actually is mortified by all this yeah but we

749
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:56,920
have to look at it from sort of a wider perspective than just our tunnel vision

750
00:53:54,799 --> 00:54:00,599
but then for our individual opinions we don't necessarily have to because this

751
00:53:58,359 --> 00:54:05,040
is what we think of it but that doesn't make for a very interesting discussion

752
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:11,599
because you'd basically say Broadwell is gonna suck ass and then I'd say all

753
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:13,520
right yeah just bump yeah I don't know

754
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:17,040
Kyle brings up a good point but I bring this up earlier yeah Kyle as a computer

755
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:21,040
salesman I'd like to voice my opinion on the choice versus no somehow ask slick

756
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:24,799
slick isn't even a computer salesman I'm more of a computer salesman than him oh

757
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:29,000
cuz I actually worked as a computer salesman for six months worked as a

758
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:34,040
computer salesman for like almost a year you were at Best Buy

759
00:54:30,799 --> 00:54:36,280
true yeah i' I've I was at NC I got

760
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:40,799
people to buy not terrible computers I actually directed some people to ntx as

761
00:54:38,799 --> 00:54:48,760
well probably shouldn't have said on here but oh well cover me up good

762
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,960
job okay then are but choice is always

763
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:56,520
good though I agree with him no I disagree sometimes choice is destructive

764
00:54:53,680 --> 00:55:01,240
sometimes choice is actually bad because Choice leads people to buy dumb crap

765
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:04,480
like eventually buy because they screw up and buy some super computer that's

766
00:55:02,799 --> 00:55:07,880
right but then people should be like intelligent and figure out that if they

767
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:13,440
spent $400 on a computer and it didn't work for them that buying a $2,000 Mac

768
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:16,319
is not actually the right logical

769
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:20,440
process you own a Pontiac yeah CU I don't have that much money in

770
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,039
general and it works it gives me from point A to point B so then if you had

771
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:26,920
more money to spend on a car would you buy a Mercedes or maybe just something

772
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:29,920
better Honda I don't know not a Pontiac I wouldn't buy a Mercedes

773
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:37,440
okay I forget where I was going with that hold on hold on no I was going somewhere with that the point was um

774
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:40,920
shoot what were what were we talking about I don't know but apparently this

775
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:45,480
guy thinks this topic is terrible and doesn't care about Intel

776
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:51,319
processors uh you know what uh hold on I'm trying

777
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,839
to you're distracting me now TR trying

778
00:55:51,319 --> 00:55:58,079
to figure out what I was trying to say with the Pontiac thing you just don't

779
00:55:54,799 --> 00:55:59,760
like my car which is fine I really don't

780
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:05,000
I totally hate your car it's stupid it's horrible I like my car

781
00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:09,760
um uh computer salesman and then we moved on to something something right

782
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:12,920
right right too much choice is bad because it generates bad customer

783
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:20,079
experiences but then they should just have better salesman yeah have you met any

784
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:23,880
salesmen where are you going to find better

785
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:28,359
salesman that's like saying they should have like they should have I don't know

786
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:32,920
that that's like saying do some form of training training is not the be all and

787
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:37,319
end all but they should have some form of it how much training is there okay

788
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:42,400
but how much training can you do when there's okay here like between Gigabyte

789
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:46,839
MSI and ASUS alone and that's your like your one two three how many z77 boards

790
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:51,119
do you think there are oh a ridiculous amount but you should have like at least

791
00:56:49,319 --> 00:56:55,480
30 like NC should have all their employees on a mailing list and when

792
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:58,440
something new comes out there should be like you or or someone else should check

793
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:01,680
it out and then tell them and they're going to remember that I mean think

794
00:57:00,359 --> 00:57:04,839
about the way it worked at Best Buy with something like an extended service plan

795
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:08,480
where they had a sheet of paper and they could refer to things imagine if you had

796
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:13,559
to put every motherboard and video card on that sheet of paper they would need

797
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:15,160
like a microscope to read it and

798
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:18,240
sometimes the differences between all these motherboards are actually very

799
00:57:16,839 --> 00:57:25,440
difficult to figure out that's true you've run into this why is this one even more expensive and you can't tell

800
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:32,160
you literally can't tell so oh that doesn't even include ASRock biostar ECS

801
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:36,079
EVGA why do we need this much choice for z77 motherboards we established earlier

802
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:41,720
on in the Stream that they all perform exactly the same I still like choice I still want to

803
00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:45,760
be able to pick what I want okay every single time personally you might think

804
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:49,920
it's bad for some random person but again I'm pulling it back and saying that I'm answering this question on

805
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:53,119
behalf of me and not be on behalf of that random person all right whereas I'm

806
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:56,880
taking I'm taking the Every Man's approach to this cuz I can figure out

807
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:59,520
what motherboard I need yeah and I want to be able to figure out what

808
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:03,760
motherboard but based on how many people tweet me asking what motherboard to buy

809
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:07,960
it's hard and if you weren't following it and keeping up with it but does that

810
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:14,480
mean they don't want to it might be difficult but they might also enjoy

811
00:58:10,359 --> 00:58:16,319
it um yeah I mean I do so I can't say

812
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:19,280
that no one does but I just don't think it's that likely are we going to get a

813
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,760
heater for the garage no we're not because heat is expensive and he's just

814
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:28,319
not worth it I'm going to bring my own jacket at some point in time so I don't have to that is an awesome jacket jacket

815
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:32,039
what's wrong with you it's also like army camo green and the sleeves aren't

816
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:35,920
long enough it's digicam it goes along with our high-tech overall experience

817
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,920
that we got going on here it's digital nice

818
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:46,400
nice uh the people who care about the change don't care about the best value

819
00:58:45,319 --> 00:58:51,799
if it takes some of the fun out of building yeah I understand that uh the

820
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:55,240
topic is terrible what is L is saying he wants to get rid of his entire job it

821
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:58,400
won't get rid of my job at all I mean NC will still Tech stuff there will still

822
00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:04,160
be Tech stuff because remember we're talking about how all this all this um

823
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:08,359
ease of manufacturer and all this Simplicity is going to turn the computer

824
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:12,280
into something where like a great example is something like the expensive

825
00:59:10,359 --> 00:59:18,240
camera we just bought why isn't it running an Android operating system with

826
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:20,280
you know a powerful quad core processor

827
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:24,559
in it why isn't it running a Windows 8 operating

828
00:59:21,799 --> 00:59:28,520
system with a Next Generation or two gen three generations away core I3 in it

829
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:32,960
that would be awesome I mean compared to the kinds of garbage processors they're

830
00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:36,440
using in things like cameras today I mean imagine if we could put a PC

831
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:40,520
processor in there the amount of flexibility I mean we could start

832
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,359
writing custom firmwares for cameras and stuff but then why don't they just do

833
00:59:41,799 --> 00:59:48,000
three sockets would it really cost that much more yes a socket costs a fortune

834
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:53,760
Intel's balling though I know but why would they waste they don't you don't get balling by wasting money yeah I know

835
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,640
a socket costs a fortune in validation and the ecosystem you have to build

836
00:59:55,039 --> 01:00:00,559
around if they move into all those other devices I'm sure they're making their money well yeah they're making their

837
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:05,280
money but they're making their money by keeping everything BGA solder it on

838
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,000
solder it on solder it on solder it on and like what's to stop them from we

839
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:13,079
probably shouldn't talk about this topic for literally ever but what's to stop them from doing it to 2011 at some point

840
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:17,200
or whatever 20111 turns into oh they probably will but we're like 5 10 20

841
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:22,400
years away from that hopefully because there will always be that need for for a

842
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:27,119
high-end workstation that market will always exist it'll just be Niche I

843
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:30,880
wonder if this will make AMD more viable

844
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:32,920
I don't know I don't personally think so

845
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:38,720
personally think it will unless AMD goes for some gigantic push and they could

846
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:43,119
yeah and if they go for some gigantic push and they go like oh we're in the Enthusiast processor now and they make a

847
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:48,160
big push and they actually make viable processors in the high tier range then

848
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:51,799
or in at a low cost but slightly higher than what they're doing now but that

849
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:57,440
it's unlocked and you can overclock it you can there is room for them to

850
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:59,599
reinvent themselves as that cool company

851
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:05,559
yeah um where Intel will be like that corporate company so let's see they have

852
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:08,079
to last that long yeah exactly yeah

853
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:12,000
everyone I know is gaming on Xbox will buy PC you need PC be a game that

854
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:16,119
everyone needs yeah I hope Star Citizen is that game I'm super excited about

855
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:19,880
that there's a couple possibly big games can be Robert you can use a controller

856
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:25,079
on a PC Xbox 360 works just fine Xbox 360

857
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:31,760
controller works just fine on a PC just get an adapter on yeah and if you're I'm not sure if he's

858
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:33,000
using handicapped as a exact term or not

859
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:37,720
if you are actually handicapped you can get things like uh ocz Nia oh come on

860
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:42,000
that thing's stupid though no no but have you seen the paragan yeah that

861
01:01:40,359 --> 01:01:46,240
thing's awesome that thing's cool Nia super cheap though yeah but the Nia does

862
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:51,039
and it works you just suck at it parag is way cooler yeah I agree have

863
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:56,559
you have you seen the video so if you guys don't know what the paragan is it's a glove you wear that has contact points

864
01:01:55,240 --> 01:02:00,880
all over the side I think you can do what 30 commands I don't know how many I

865
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:03,880
think it's here here and here and then your thumb just connects them all yeah

866
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:08,160
so you can do up to I think it's 30 different commands by just touching your

867
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:11,440
thumb to various fingers on the uh and there's there's like uh conductive

868
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:14,960
control pads on them and so they were showing someone gaming in a game like

869
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:18,160
League of Legends so instead of having this mouse on a keyboard you actually

870
01:02:16,839 --> 01:02:24,359
just kind of have it beside you like this you got your mouse hand and you just go you know for whatever spell or

871
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:26,960
hotkey you want to hit and and uh there's Pro Gamers claiming that it

872
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:31,039
actually makes them faster than if they use a keyboard because they never have to look it's all muscle memory just

873
01:02:29,279 --> 01:02:35,839
think go like that I haven't seen any of them actually doing it in a tournament

874
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:40,839
but I'm that yet I used it at packs and it is like it's fairly okay quick like

875
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,119
it's not super slow I personally find I'd be way faster with the keyboard

876
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:47,760
because then all your fingers are currently resting on the keys but you're more used to it but I'm more used to it

877
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:51,880
too but then this means that you have to move your thumb to each individual key

878
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:56,319
if you're representing your fingers as keys this way your fingers are all keys

879
01:02:54,119 --> 01:03:00,520
I know but your fingers resling on the keys is not moving your fingers at all

880
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:07,400
unless you have to move your finger and press a key which is never remember like

881
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:09,559
30 Keys though q w e r no no I mean but

882
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:12,440
but if you could hit 30 like this like let's say you needed a wider variety

883
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:18,720
because for like a different game other than yeah on a keyboard I'd say there's

884
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:19,960
probably DF reload see Q is tough as

885
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:23,839
soon as you get into the ring finger pinky finger it's tough there's probably

886
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:26,520
like 10 to 12 keys that I can hit as quickly as I could do this definitely

887
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:30,760
cool like if you shoulder problems and stuff you can keep your ARM down off the

888
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:33,640
table and use it so I I asked for a demo unit that's cool so hopefully we can get

889
01:03:32,359 --> 01:03:38,559
our hands on it and check it out and let you guys know what we actually think after extended use but uh yeah paragan

890
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:43,680
very very cool um should I get the 2500k or wait

891
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:48,119
for Haswell get a 3570k or 2500k I mean honestly I I don't

892
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,480
know how much faster Haswell will be I don't think anyone does right now yeah

893
01:03:50,279 --> 01:03:56,200
uh doesn't that make it just another console the point of PC is the customization the software customization

894
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:59,599
will always be there though which is the difference between PC and console and

895
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:04,319
you can still be specific about your RAM you can still be specific about your

896
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:05,880
graphics card it's yeah Dyan asks why

897
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:11,359
did you move lonus Tech tips into your garage um because we have a new set for

898
01:04:09,279 --> 01:04:16,079
ncx Tech tips but there actually isn't a ton of space in there and uh and I've

899
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:20,279
also had some other projects going I don't know if you've seen my Techquickie channel so if you're following

900
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:24,839
me on Twitter you've probably seen some of my tweets about it or maybe you missed them but I have some other

901
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:31,760
different video projects that I'm working on as well so that's part of the reason why I need something resembling a

902
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:36,880
studio space here at home uh you want to blame something for the downfall blame

903
01:04:33,279 --> 01:04:39,319
the first Xbox yeah yep oh yeah for sure

904
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:43,160
no no doubt when building for me it'll be different from building for my mom

905
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:46,960
which I could get yep y totally agree Sean um I think Slick's right imagine

906
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:51,359
five years down the road and everyone has a high-end PC there's nothing unique about PCS anymore but imagine 5 years

907
01:04:50,279 --> 01:04:57,559
down the road when everyone has a high-end PC now they can develop a game

908
01:04:53,799 --> 01:04:59,799
that only runs on a highend PC

909
01:04:57,559 --> 01:05:03,920
There You Go part of the reason for it again actually I didn't even cover that

910
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:08,480
before okay you know what let's move on to the uh let's move on to the next oh

911
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:15,680
actually I got one question here I want to answer Sean sometimes I I will take an

912
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:20,640
alternative position to what I actually feel like in my heart because there are

913
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:24,119
reasons that go beyond my feelings for why things work the way they do Devil's

914
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:28,599
Advocate you got bring up the other side of the argument so that the argument

915
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:32,920
which isn't boring and if we don't understand both sides then we're just

916
01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:36,920
Fanboys yeah so you have to try to understand why com from why does the

917
01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:40,319
world work the way it does I can still feel the way I do I you know what I mean

918
01:05:38,839 --> 01:05:45,640
you guys ask me this all the time and I usually won't tell you do I have a

919
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:51,240
favorite of something like is do I have a favorite brand of motherboard yes I do

920
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:54,359
but I can't let that I can't let that get in the way of being objective

921
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:57,680
because I think it's not fair to you guys um so here find another topic for

922
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:06,960
us I'm going to go see if I've got anything over there and we'll move right along scy oh yeah okay go another sad

923
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:09,520
Topic in my opinion uh Scythe the makers

924
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:15,119
of gentle typhoon and many other fans and many other heat shuriken and Shen

925
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:20,839
chuzi or whatever they've called all the like best names for all the different

926
01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:23,240
things uh they're Us North America

927
01:06:20,839 --> 01:06:28,440
branch just went out a business so this isn't very applicable to anyone else out

928
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:31,880
out of North America because Scythe in all those locations is still running

929
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:35,400
just fine but the North America branches out of business so if you want some

930
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:40,760
AR15s you might want to pick those up quick um that's very sad for me because

931
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:48,319
my by far favorite fans for at least 120 mm is AR-15s they're 1850 RPM 120 mm

932
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:54,960
fans and that means I'm going to buy a small stack of them and then hor

933
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:56,640
them um but yeah that's kind of crappy

934
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,599
but like I said for anyone outside of North America it doesn't matter because

935
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:03,799
Scythe is doing just fine you know what this comes down to Too Much Choice was

936
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:07,359
bad not really actually it's because the parent company closed down it wasn't

937
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:12,720
even scyth USA it's the guys that owned Scythe USA so nah I bet if it' been more

938
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:16,319
profitable the parent company wouldn't have had to close down yeah but that was

939
01:07:14,279 --> 01:07:23,240
like one of their smaller companies I bet site that been okay

940
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:26,480
fine uh I'm trying to find some of the

941
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:29,480
Twitter topics that I that I sent to

942
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:32,480
myself virtue oh someone asked us to

943
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,480
discuss um

944
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:40,200
virtue okay like Lucid logic's virtue oh

945
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:42,799
okay yeah not virtue I was like what

946
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:47,559
it's like yeah slick and I have uh we're going to start wearing Purity rings and

947
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:52,200
um we really think that if you guys Support lus Tech tips then um you should

948
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:55,799
wear Purity rings and if you're tuning in right now just to hear me say that I

949
01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:59,279
really really hope you didn't tune out immediately I'm going to explain so

950
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:03,599
Lucid logic's virtue does a number of different things um although the context

951
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:07,599
that this guy was asking about it in was remember when we first saw the news of

952
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:12,079
virtue and we were going to be able to run multi-GPU with AMD and NVIDIA

953
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:16,319
graphics card mismatch generations of graphics

954
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:18,640
cards um why hasn't that taken off in

955
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:22,520
your estimation didn't NVIDIA get super pissed off okay yeah inia got super but

956
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:26,560
hurt about it yeah they did not want that to happen yep they want to control

957
01:08:24,839 --> 01:08:29,440
the SLI EOS system remember what they did to the Big Bang X power I do

958
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,759
remember they did to the Big Bang X power Marshall bang Marshall yeah big

959
01:08:31,719 --> 01:08:39,920
bang Marshall do you guys remember the Big Bang Marshall it was like an XL ATX

960
01:08:36,839 --> 01:08:44,279
1155 55 board yeah it was a p-55 board

961
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:46,759
wasn't it I think so I think so p67 I

962
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:51,960
don't know whatever LDA 1155 board that was XL ATX that had seven PCI Express

963
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:57,159
16x slots and it had Lucid logic's virtue so that or no not virtue it had

964
01:08:54,480 --> 01:09:00,480
Hydra Hydra yeah um their first I think it was their first yeah it was called

965
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:03,719
Hydra sorry so where you could in theory run seven graphics cards and have them

966
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:10,319
all stack together and make for better performance and NVIDIA actually blocked

967
01:09:07,159 --> 01:09:11,799
quad SLI and I think triple SLI trip all

968
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:15,719
you could do is dual SLI yeah you could just do dual SLI on this board in spite

969
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:22,159
of the fact that it had seven PCI s PCI slots two graphics cards

970
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:26,880
yay um I don't know when I first saw it I basically went this is never going to

971
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:29,679
work yeah because it's asking for way

972
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:35,279
too much that's when I saw it I assumed that You' get like terrible returns yeah

973
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:42,359
I mean you know what's funny though is they when they optimized it fully for

974
01:09:38,199 --> 01:09:44,600
something like 3D Mark 11 yeah it

975
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:49,960
actually delivered pretty crazy results you could see it like it was working

976
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:54,679
however the problem with that comes down to games there's so many games they're

977
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:59,480
all so different there's always a new patch yeah I mean when I when I was like

978
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:04,960
okay the reason this can't work is because they would need a driver team as

979
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:08,880
big at least as nvidias yeah yeah because you look at how hard it is for

980
01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:13,600
AMD and NVIDIA alone to make sure that you don't see random graphical artifacts

981
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:19,560
all over your screen so why is it that some like small company wasn't able to

982
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:23,040
do more than them and like bring more together than them well I think it seems

983
01:10:21,239 --> 01:10:26,760
fairly obvious pretty straightforward I've had people like tell me they want

984
01:10:24,679 --> 01:10:32,040
to buy a mother board with with uh with Hydra and I'm just like yeah don't worry

985
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:35,600
about it uh virtue MVP however does a couple of cool things so that allows

986
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:39,520
notebook like switching between your dedicated graphics and your integrated

987
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:43,080
GPU there very small performance hit very very small but you can use your

988
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:48,239
integrated GPU for video transcoding you can use your dedic dedicated dedicated

989
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:52,159
graphics card for gaming uh it also allows a couple of other features so one

990
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:57,760
of them is a performance boost one that in theory like together yeah no what

991
01:10:55,400 --> 01:11:01,640
does is it puts texture duties on your onboard GPU because that's easy and it's

992
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:06,320
just memory intensive and then it does something else but it

993
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:10,159
just so sketchy yeah we used it and it worked for like one game yeah and then

994
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:12,960
just like didn't and like caused performance degradation in other ones

995
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:18,000
and then I think the other one is something to do with vsync but when we were using we were mainly using an Intel

996
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:23,880
platform right yes I've heard it's a lot more

997
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:26,280
stable on AMD platforms weird with APU

998
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:30,360
and a graphic card I I know that's weird and I haven't done it myself obviously

999
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:34,679
but I've read that it's much more stable okay but who cares I yeah I know I

1000
01:11:32,679 --> 01:11:38,719
definitely agree I have a lot of people ask me about what used to be called

1001
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:43,639
hybrid Crossfire where you have an APU so you'd have an AMD CPU with an onboard

1002
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:47,560
GPU and then a low-end graphics card and you can Crossfire them together for a

1003
01:11:45,159 --> 01:11:52,719
performance boost people are like oh what graphics card should I get a 6670

1004
01:11:49,719 --> 01:11:56,560
with my Apu and I'm just like oh dude oh

1005
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:59,639
dude just oh dude no um Apu is good for

1006
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:01,080
onboard Graphics fantastic destroys

1007
01:11:59,639 --> 01:12:06,440
anything from Intel if you're looking to build a super basic machine get an APU

1008
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:12,040
if you want to play any games at all done if you want to have a dedicated

1009
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:18,280
graphics gaming experience buy a dedicated graphics card don't try to

1010
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:22,360
like it's like it's like someone deciding they want a car and they like

1011
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:28,280
staple two motorcycles together it's like will it work will it

1012
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:31,760
move in a direction maybe should you do

1013
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:33,840
it no no it's like but motorcycles are

1014
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:40,440
so cheap you can buy three of them and staple them

1015
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:42,600
together just no spend $100 $100 is the

1016
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:45,600
bare minimum to spend on a graphics card any less than that and you're getting a

1017
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:51,920
terrible value buy a real graphics card end of

1018
01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:55,159
story so there it's been said

1019
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:57,480
now that's actually a great analogy

1020
01:12:55,159 --> 01:13:03,639
stapling motorcycles together it's just like so ridiculous Franken

1021
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:07,560
Contraption um okay so that was my topic

1022
01:13:03,639 --> 01:13:10,880
what was your next topic uh let me

1023
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:12,960
see there's useless human babies useless

1024
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:18,000
human this is you know what you know what inspired this topic is my

1025
01:13:15,679 --> 01:13:24,600
baby oh right no I remember where we were going with that topic though old

1026
01:13:19,719 --> 01:13:26,320
school RPG Mages yes so humans actually

1027
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:31,120
you know what no this was your point you make the point okay I brought up that a

1028
01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:35,040
baby dolphin immediately upon being born knows to immediately go to the surface

1029
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:37,600
and get air and human babies are just pretty much generally useless at

1030
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:43,159
everything they ever try and do for a really really long time my baby was trying to eat in this high chair with

1031
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:47,960
his hands for the first time which is cute but ineffective the mess was

1032
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:54,280
literally the entire span of both of his arms and like up the side of his head

1033
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:57,440
into his hair with like a p uh like like

1034
01:13:54,280 --> 01:14:01,280
not pee but like peas peas peas bananas

1035
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:03,360
pea banana and uh and uh like baby

1036
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:11,000
cereal yeah and it was just like all over the place which like I said is cute

1037
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:14,960
but yeah um compared to most other

1038
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:16,159
babies animals they're we kind of suck

1039
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:21,440
yeah they never stood a chance so I brought that up and then I came up with the analogy that we're kind of like

1040
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:24,800
Mages in old school RPG games well no cuz we were talking dolphins and I was

1041
01:14:23,159 --> 01:14:28,000
like right right if dolphins are so smart then why don't they figure out how

1042
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:33,560
to walk on land we figured out how to swim and I brought up that they don't

1043
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:35,120
have opposable thumbs okay so then

1044
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:40,159
whatever so and you kept on bringing up more things and I just kept on saying

1045
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,920
opposable thumbs well yeah because you

1046
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:44,880
know what no if they were so smart they would find a way to win they would find

1047
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:47,679
a way around it because he think he thinks they're smarter than us which

1048
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:51,360
apparently it's been proven that they're smarter but they can't do a lot of things because they don't have a posable

1049
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:56,040
thumb so they can't like then they're not that smart how how does Smart have

1050
01:14:53,719 --> 01:15:00,520
to do with your physical form well we figured out how to like kick Tigers

1051
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:04,320
thumbs I don't think we figured out how to have opposable THB a man can kill a

1052
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:07,600
tiger even though a tiger is much more powerful tool that he makes with

1053
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:10,159
opposable thumbs chimps have opposable thumbs

1054
01:15:10,679 --> 01:15:15,520
yeah I could take a chimp they're not nearly as smart as us though but they

1055
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:20,400
have a but they have a posable thumb yeah

1056
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:23,960
okay so what's your point which they're kind of lame but are able to survive

1057
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:28,920
because they have imposable thums where are you even going with this

1058
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:34,679
where this is you okay so humans so humans start out

1059
01:15:31,719 --> 01:15:40,120
useless but then later on in life they get totally op completely imba because

1060
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:42,760
they they're like old school RPG Mages they suck at the beginning and they're

1061
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:47,560
horrible to play and they're really annoying but then once you level up a whole bunch all the Warriors are

1062
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:52,280
terrible and you're amazing and overpowered Diablo 1 is a great example

1063
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:56,199
of that like you you die in like two hits at the beginning if you're a mage

1064
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:59,719
but then by end of it you just like walk around with a staff of apocalypse and

1065
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:02,040
you're just like right click right click right click right you never actually

1066
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:06,400
have to go in the room you just walk around with like your BS Mana shield and

1067
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:11,159
it's just like the the the Warriors are just like well I actually can't have

1068
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:17,080
that much health cuz like the game maxed it and

1069
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:19,520
stuff yeah Everest one was also a really

1070
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:22,520
good example of that and like balur skate ice Dale are both really good

1071
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:29,080
examples of that you know what was hilarious Fable one I literally had like

1072
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,719
two spells that I used so I had like a

1073
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,639
knockback or something and then I had an area of effect or something stup or

1074
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:37,600
maybe it was just one area of effect spell and it was just like yeah this is

1075
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:40,600
this is all I you know I don't think I can think of even a modern game where

1076
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:45,280
Mages aren't just kind of stupid overpowered just the whole time yeah not

1077
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:48,040
really I mean Magic's just like it used to be the thing where it was like okay

1078
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:53,600
do I want to have the beginning of this game really easy I'll play Warrior but I'll suck

1079
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:57,199
later on or do I want the beginning of this game to be really hard

1080
01:16:55,400 --> 01:17:02,080
I'll play a Mage and I'll be awesome later on I wonder what it'll be like an

1081
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:05,880
imba class in something like Star Citizen is there really classes though

1082
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:11,719
kind of it's just the type of ship that you fly is it just the type of ship that you f I'm I'm not sure but if it's like

1083
01:17:09,679 --> 01:17:15,280
Eve it's more the type of ship in the race that you fly in the race but then

1084
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:18,560
you can learn the skills for other races so it doesn't really matter it just

1085
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:22,320
takes more time have you learn a skill for a race I mean you just like you just

1086
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:26,840
read their book you just put one foot in front of the other and you try to get

1087
01:17:24,199 --> 01:17:26,840
there first

1088
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:36,650
next that's a horrible

1089
01:17:35,639 --> 01:17:45,239
joke um what else you got we've got

1090
01:17:41,719 --> 01:17:47,360
applications or apps oh yeah but you

1091
01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:52,679
ruin all the punch lines so um the App Store thing Windows

1092
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:56,920
App Store yeah yeah so Windows has an app store and I think a lot of people

1093
01:17:54,040 --> 01:18:01,360
have been kind of like uh well we were talking about developers yeah so we were

1094
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:06,920
talking about sort of what a programmer makes these days and uh and I made the

1095
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:10,440
point that an app programmer will get paid more inherently because they on

1096
01:18:08,639 --> 01:18:17,760
their resume they put they're an app programmer um so yes so luk

1097
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,760
slick

1098
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:25,480
Bazinga whatever done now it's live how many

1099
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:29,159
people are watching 19900 uh

1100
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:29,159
um yeah that

1101
01:18:29,480 --> 01:18:35,320
programmers um what what were we

1102
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:40,600
awkward uh right right right so they make more inherently because they they

1103
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:42,080
make apps and uh even though I can't

1104
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:45,199
imagine what's what's different about programming an app versus programming

1105
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:50,199
like anything else it's the same language you're just locked down yes

1106
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:54,360
okay so is it any different programming an app for a phone than it is

1107
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:59,080
programming an app for like Windows 8 or well it's like I said it's different

1108
01:18:55,639 --> 01:19:01,840
language okay but a lot of this skilles

1109
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:06,280
you're Los you're using like uh sdks and stuff but you use sdks for a lot of

1110
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:10,360
stuff you build for desktops and systems as well so it doesn't really matter okay

1111
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:15,760
so a lot of people seem upset about the app store for Windows 8 or we can't call

1112
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:17,239
it app store because uh Amazon did that

1113
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:21,760
and then Apple tried to sue them and then the judge was just like screw you

1114
01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:24,800
no one cares is that what happened yeah a I never I never paid attention

1115
01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:29,320
basically just threw it out he was like like no it's a freaking app store you

1116
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:32,800
can just leave it alone huh they I think everyone's just kind of sick and tired

1117
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:37,480
of Apple just trying to sue everyone all the time okay so what's the difference

1118
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:43,800
between an app and an application there isn't one so what's so okay so an app is

1119
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:48,440
short for application so so basically what you're trying to say then is the

1120
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:50,280
app store has always existed yes because

1121
01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:52,719
you just download things from websites but apps are

1122
01:19:53,159 --> 01:19:58,960
cheaper that m really which apps aren't

1123
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:03,800
cheaper I don't know what can you compare really well you go like average

1124
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:08,960
like a professionally developed application but it's US versus a

1125
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:11,040
professionally developed app they're the

1126
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:16,320
same thing if you bring it up that way but if you bring it say okay if you say

1127
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:18,440
something from the iTunes app store or

1128
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:22,639
downloading from a website if you get like they have Photoshop I could argue

1129
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:27,480
app is actually short for apple and not application but it's not

1130
01:20:25,239 --> 01:20:33,199
it could be but it's not it could be a double meaning

1131
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:34,960
no it's just not app store Apple Store

1132
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:37,719
but it's not it means application they don't have anything else called an Apple

1133
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:43,440
store oh my God they don't what that took me a

1134
01:20:41,239 --> 01:20:48,360
second to process of course they do they should just call their stores

1135
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:51,239
app stores they actually should that would be that would actually be kind of

1136
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:57,960
amazing yeah it would and you can go there and you can buy apps or you can buy apps you like Al buy an app you can

1137
01:20:55,600 --> 01:21:01,840
get a box for your app so we've always had app stores at the end of the day

1138
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:04,960
it's called a retail store yeah um you can buy software there yeah you can buy

1139
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:09,360
software there although it's kind of stupid yeah no one does that anymore

1140
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:13,040
yeah no one does that anymore this this this will be like a great uh this would

1141
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:16,960
be a great like Twitter question um when's the last time you guys bought

1142
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:20,080
software at a retail store that's happening to games what I think is going

1143
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:23,560
to happen is I don't think games are actually going to be sold I think it's

1144
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:28,719
just going to be like if you buy a special edition you can get Hardware

1145
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:31,880
when you buy a game right I think pretty damn soon games are all going to be

1146
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:35,639
digital and then special editions are going to be the only way you get actually a physical thing well you know

1147
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:40,600
what's been one of my favorite things to do over the last five or six years every

1148
01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:48,000
time I go to the mall in sir I swing by the EB Games and the only thing I do

1149
01:21:43,639 --> 01:21:50,960
there is I see how big the PC section

1150
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:54,639
is it's at the point now where I was at I was at the source like I kind of I

1151
01:21:52,840 --> 01:22:02,080
kind of do this I just I'm just curious at the source they had four games on the

1152
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:04,280
Shelf they had a couple Generations ago

1153
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:09,719
WoW expansion it was like cataclysm or something they had Starcraft

1154
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:15,520
2 they had Diablo Three yeah Diablo 3 and then they

1155
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:22,360
had like one other game or something like that it was like four or five games

1156
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:24,840
and they had one copy of each that was

1157
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:28,199
it I think the last game was like a Bethesda title or something like it was

1158
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:32,760
like it was an RPG or something might have been other Scrolls or Fallout

1159
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:36,120
something like that and I was like wow

1160
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:37,800
it's dead yeah it's totally dead yeah

1161
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:42,280
well it's like people are still buying it but they just don't care like if you're buying Starcraft you're just

1162
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:45,400
downloading off battle that.net you're buying if you're buying a Bethesda game

1163
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:50,400
you're probably just downloading it from Steam so if you're Microsoft why don't

1164
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:56,239
you just stop selling physical games for Xbox what's the point what's the point

1165
01:22:53,159 --> 01:22:57,760
of a physical medium capacity right now

1166
01:22:56,239 --> 01:23:01,199
Xbox hard drive capacity as far as I know isn't that awesome okay and then

1167
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:05,639
the only reason for limiting hard drive capacity would be to prevent piracy in

1168
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:09,600
theory no I think it's just like if you bought one of the original Xboxes their

1169
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:14,480
hard drives were only like 20 to 40 gigs now you can get bigger ones with the

1170
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:16,880
elites and the newer ones they're still

1171
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:19,239
small yeah they're still really small why can't I just plug in a USB hard

1172
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:24,920
drive that's what I've never really understood I mean I love how Nintendo's

1173
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:30,520
uh Nintendo's whole DRM thing for the Wii U involves because Nintendo still

1174
01:23:27,719 --> 01:23:34,560
ties your downloadable purchases to the hardware not to user account you know

1175
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:39,600
that right yeah so basically there's this drawn out process where you like

1176
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:43,000
transfer your Hardware from your Wii to your Wii U and like all the accounts

1177
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:47,159
kind of go over and if you screw it up at any point during it I think it gets

1178
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:52,320
really complicated and I don't remember where I was going with this no idea

1179
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:56,840
right why don't they just let me put like a 64 gig SD card in my stupid thing

1180
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:02,360
and like a big old 3 terb hard drive over USB I think just because you can

1181
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:07,960
plug it into a PC really easily okay can't really plug an Xbox R

1182
01:24:05,639 --> 01:24:12,920
drive into a PC very easily I like you can but I think it's like this weird so

1183
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:14,199
piracy prevention thing yeah okay so

1184
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:18,880
then that's my assumption I don't actually know but makes sense to me once

1185
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:22,280
again piracy prevention just destroys what could be good and makes it bad you

1186
01:24:20,639 --> 01:24:28,880
know there was I think it was like five or 10 years ago now um but there was

1187
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:32,960
this a bunch of I think three Engineers or something like that from Microsoft

1188
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:38,320
that were working on DRM stuff like the whole idea behind DRM just all were like

1189
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:41,440
this is just not going to work they're like this will not work people will

1190
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:44,679
always find a way around it and they almost got fired for it didn't actually

1191
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:49,239
get fired and then they just totally right people will always find a way and

1192
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:53,560
people are like oh PC sales are dying because people pirate stuff are you

1193
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:58,600
kidding me of course but then look at consoles too

1194
01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:02,080
consoles are so easy to Pirate okay they might be easier to Pirate but I would

1195
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:09,360
argue that the average console user is less capable of pirating that's true no

1196
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:10,840
offense guys I'm sorry actually okay oh

1197
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:15,480
oh the viewers are tanking the viewers are tanking no one's okay I'm sorry I'm

1198
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:20,480
sorry console's okay oh the viewers are tanking again all the PC I'm going to

1199
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:24,960
alienate the entire audience but I would argue that sort of lowest lowest common

1200
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:30,440
denominator console users are not as Tech savy no I agree yeah but then like

1201
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:36,560
like sorry mind my language but Rockstar Games not releasing freaking

1202
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:37,880
GTA 5 on PC because they're like oh

1203
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:42,159
there's too many Pirates it's not worth it what yeah that mean it's not like

1204
01:25:40,679 --> 01:25:45,960
they didn't sell enough to cover how much it cost to Port a game yeah like

1205
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:49,520
are you kidding me you're just porting it you think there's not enough people

1206
01:25:47,719 --> 01:25:55,520
that are going to buy it like it's a joke you know what's the one that I find

1207
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:58,199
most offensive I like Halo one I won't I

1208
01:25:55,520 --> 01:26:03,159
won't play it on an Xbox because playing Shooters on a controller is stupid yeah

1209
01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:07,679
um Halo 2 I played through like three quarters of the campaign I didn't enjoy

1210
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:10,040
it that much Halo 1 I loved Halo 1

1211
01:26:07,679 --> 01:26:14,199
ending of the campaign Halo 1 Co-op is like the one of the greatest why wasn't

1212
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:19,400
I ever able to play co-op first of all what why why can't I play co-op

1213
01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:25,119
campaigns on a PC there's like two games Co-op is like a given on a console

1214
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:28,400
yeah and I mean the co-op experience on split screen is stupid and then what

1215
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:34,920
what are you going to do you're going to drag a bunch of consoles together and daisy chain them

1216
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:36,800
like see and then like put like four TVs

1217
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:44,520
in the like it's just stupid it's a terrible user experience I try so hard

1218
01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:45,960
to find co-op games yes um it's so

1219
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:50,119
difficult like alien Swarm was one that was kind of fun that was a free game

1220
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:55,320
okay but but anyway so the one that I find most offensive is the one if you I

1221
01:26:53,400 --> 01:27:00,119
was going to pick one company that should be the most committed to the PC

1222
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:04,800
platform that should be willing to sort of bite the bullet on a couple people

1223
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:09,920
who download the game it should be Microsoft yeah yeah they have had every

1224
01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:15,560
chance over the last 10 years to save the PC as a gaming platform yeah and

1225
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:17,679
they have not only not enabled others to

1226
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:24,280
to to support it but they have totally abandoned it themselves well they didn't

1227
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:26,440
own halo for a while they do now right

1228
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:30,840
right so so where's my Halo 4 where's my Halo 3 for that matter did they own it

1229
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:33,800
for Halo 3 I don't know I don't care I don't think they did okay where's my

1230
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:38,520
Halo 4 I could totally be wrong I'm not that good with consoles but yeah I know

1231
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:42,440
right where's my Halo 4 though I don't know it's not not yet was that Halo was

1232
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:45,840
that I thought it was Hal just got released I'm really bad with conso I

1233
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:49,560
thought it was one of their named things like and whatever fired cuz I don't

1234
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:53,880
something to console yeah our viewers want to know about

1235
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:58,400
actually I don't think they do I actually played it I played the new Halo it's actually pretty this probably looks

1236
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:01,800
really inappropriate for a console game oh yeah Sor it's it's a mouse there's

1237
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:07,560
show them the mouse pad show them the mouse pad thank you there's a reason for

1238
01:28:05,639 --> 01:28:11,800
that okay you know what why don't we do Twitter Q&A for the last oh wow two

1239
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:15,520
minutes um did you have any other like killer topics that we had to cover not

1240
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:18,719
really I don't think okay sorry guys this is going to look inappropriate

1241
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:26,239
again no just what you do when the internet is out and artificial product

1242
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:30,199
differentiation artificial oh yeah I hate artificial product different we'll

1243
01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:33,560
talk about that next week okay okay some people would bought it on a PC would

1244
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:36,600
have to get it for console said the Twitter questions might want to change

1245
01:28:35,239 --> 01:28:41,960
the focus of your camera slightly to the foreground you know what it's on auto I should probably just send it to manual

1246
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:47,159
you're right can't believe split screen hasn't killed the console I know right I

1247
01:28:44,440 --> 01:28:51,840
mean like remember oh you're too young did you play uh did you play7 goldm on

1248
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:56,040
n6 are you kidding me of course I did I still have it yeah that was pretty good

1249
01:28:54,199 --> 01:28:59,960
four controllers play it all the time can you imagine if you'd been able to

1250
01:28:58,199 --> 01:29:04,600
play that with like dedicated screens for so

1251
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:08,600
epic like

1252
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:11,480
like back to Twitter questions okay Xbox

1253
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:16,920
is pirated someone owns your coat I'm sorry like that is my coat I got

1254
01:29:14,119 --> 01:29:20,159
something nice way to go Taylor get on with the topic man and get rid of slick

1255
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:24,840
he blows I think that's the same guy as before yeah you blow no yeah same

1256
01:29:22,639 --> 01:29:27,520
different why hasn't physical media move from optical disc to flash drive digital

1257
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:31,480
is decent but Broadband isn't always cheaper available um flash drive is

1258
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:35,560
still more expensive than Optical discs are like yeah discs cost nothing to make

1259
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:40,960
super super super cheap they make them in huge batches and it's so prevalent

1260
01:29:38,679 --> 01:29:45,199
that you could probably find out of out of a 100 computers 99 of them would have

1261
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:48,280
an optical drive or some kind of access to an optical drive and maybe 20% of

1262
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:54,199
them would actually have an SD card reader so there's your

1263
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:59,440
answer um GTA sucks but yes Halo is by far the most offensive thank you John I

1264
01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:04,760
agree for cooling performance 480 mil Rad or thicker than normal 360 I'd go

1265
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:07,280
thick 360 really actually maybe not I'd

1266
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:12,320
probably go thin 480 with low RPM fans yeah that's what I expected you to yeah

1267
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:16,880
okay but then like finding a case I can fit that

1268
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:21,480
too it's not that easy tj07 bam well

1269
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:23,760
yeah but that's tj07 360 tj7 $360 $360

1270
01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:30,199
$360 why did Twitter just sign out I don't know we to go with the touch

1271
01:30:26,679 --> 01:30:32,800
mouse a you're killing me here and

1272
01:30:30,199 --> 01:30:36,080
xsplit is like gone you know what that's gonna that's going to do it for tonight

1273
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:40,119
so I'm just gonna sort of do this some more and uh shut this down so thank you

1274
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:46,159
guys for tuning in to the live stream tonight don't forget to subscribe on

1275
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:51,040
Twitch more live streams good night byebye