{"video_id":"EJOnwF8mgXc","title":"Intel’s RYZEN-KILLER - Core i7 8700K","channel":"Linus Tech Tips","show":"Linus Tech Tips","published_at":"2018-05-06T14:53:29Z","duration_s":619,"segments":[{"start_s":25.279,"end_s":28.279,"text":"so","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":52.0,"end_s":54.399,"text":"get it","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":55.68,"end_s":60.48,"text":"a coffee lake yep oh like the CPU we're","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":59.199,"end_s":65.28,"text":"reviewing yup oh yeah well you know what thanks","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":62.64,"end_s":70.0,"text":"for that and while we're at it thanks to tunnelbear tunnelbear makes it easy to","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":67.52,"end_s":73.28,"text":"privately and securely browse a more open internet try telebear for free go","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":71.76,"end_s":80.659,"text":"to tunnelbear.com 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series code name coffee lake they're built on the improved 14 nanometer plus plus process and they fit in the same socket as 6th and 7th gen processors but for those of you rejoicing in the streets that Intel is supporting the same socket for three generations of desktop chips for the first time in a decade think again neither 8th gen chips nor the 300 series motherboards that go with them are backwards compatible trust us we tried Intel has an excuse though at least for the new cpus to not work in the old boards because the new z370 chipset even though rumors indicate that it's fundamentally a retooled z270 supports higher speed ddr4 2666 out of the box and offers improved power delivery both things that required some tweaks even to hardware and so i don't know like maybe this is worth making a video about like coaching people on how to watch for this stuff because anyone who was expecting a 200 series board to get a CPU upgrade hasn't been following Intel's pattern over the last 10 years now AMD's announced long-term support of am4 might bring about a change in this behavior from Intel but that remains to be seen AMD's history is to sure support a socket for a long time but with cpus that nobody really wants to upgrade to with all of that said i totally get why the people who invested in fancy z270 boards are mad right now architecturally coffee lake is more or less just kb lake which itself was more or less just sky lake no avx 512 no rebalanced smart cash i mean damn we're not even getting a new hd graphics chip not that i cared about that although hooray for hdcp 2.2 i guess so that doesn't sound very compelling but what is is that we are finally getting a six core Intel chip on the mainstream platform and at mainstream prices but there's more it's not just a six core chip which is kind of what i would have expected them to do the entire core i7 and core i5 lineup are getting the hex treatment complete with additional cash and this is all at roughly the same TDP as the previous generation so if you're upset about that then i'm glad because this is a good thing we all used to get upset about every new hardware generation but it's okay salt can taste good you know it's like oh like this is what it feels like when oh that's awful ah oh why is this even in here okay i'm sorry so this this is what it feels like when technology is actually advancing just oh now there are new core i3s too but those are kind of boring and we didn't get samples so let's get to performance of the chips that we have we are going to be doing a lot of testing this time around because this is potentially a huge single generation leap in performance so we cracked open our previous generation Intel rig our current gen ryzen and threw in core i9 and Threadripper for good measure so get your yee haws ready because it's gun be one heck of a shootout and the core i7 8700k comes out guns blazing in our 1080p gaming tests it predictably trades blows at the top of the heap with its predecessor depending on per game multi-threaded optimization curiously it seems to fare slightly worse overall but it's nothing to cry about more interesting is the core i5 8400 riding into town with 7700k like performance at an i5 price as for our 4k gaming tests well these are some super boring if beautiful and high resolution graphs there is a reason that Anthony coined the term the great equalizer for 4k in the core i9 extreme edition video everything performs the same when the GPU is the bottleneck synthetic gaming benchmarks tell a similar story moving on to productivity oh boy the core i7 8700k kills it here easily surpassing ryzen in multi-threaded tests and even approaching the core i9 lineup thanks to its higher core clocks and it even decisively snatches the single threaded crown from its predecessor thanks to its higher turbo and extra cash as for the core i5 8400 its lack of hyper threading does hurt it here compared to its competitor the ryzen 5 1600. and since rise and chips are unlocked that gap could widen with overclocking thermals are not that great for the 8700k although this seems to be at least partially a firmware bug since when overclocked we actually got lower readings and power consumption is higher than the last gen but nothing like the hedt and workstation chips that we've been reviewing recently let's talk overclocking it's pretty simple and there's plenty of fine control including per core over clocks at five gigahertz yes my friends five gigahertz six cores we managed a pretty decent improvement in performance on our 8700k giving it similar headroom to our 7700k across the board though as always your mileage may vary bringing us to value and it's here that coffee lake shines when system cost is accounted for compared to kb lake the core i7 8700k is on par for gaming so it's good but at over a hundred dollars less than that the core i5 8400 is the one that's going to be really disruptive be it for gamers or entry-level content creators in productivity the two actually switch places the 8700k takes the crown here while the 8400 sits in the back seat next to ryzen overall though both of the new Intel chips sit pretty at the top of the pile so was coffee lake a last minute response to ryzen in some respects uh pricing not to mention the decision to move the i5 line up to six core it might be we don't know how good Intel's you know corporate espionage is you know maybe they knew ryzen was going to be good a year and a half two years ago when they would have had to start working on this or maybe they didn't whatever was the case this release is a major performance win for the consumer and you know what else is a win for the consumer joining dollar shave club thanks for sponsoring this video you guys if you haven't already give dollar shave club a try it's more than just razors they make it easy for you to upgrade your shave and your bathroom you don't actually have to leave the house to get high quality shaving 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