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AMD's ryzen 9000 is a true generational step forward I'm talking bigger level

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one cache tsmc's new and improved 49m finfet process and a double digigit IPC

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uplift thanks to its Zen 5 architecture and the best part they're claiming they

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finally got a non x3d chip that can on

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average beat their Giga Chad 5800 x3d

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all while using less power as for

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Intel well they're in the middle of an absolute dump fire to the point where I

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actually think the more interesting question is whether team red can slay

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themselves or whether you should just skip this launch until they inevitably

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come out with an x3d variant of these ships that is so strong it makes me

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because of AMD's staggered launch we're only looking at the ryzen 5 9600 x and

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ryzen 79700 x today compared to last gen

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they boost slightly higher and level one caches increased but the other caches

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are otherwise untouched as our core counts compared to last generation

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however thanks to tsmc's manufacturing process improvements AMD has managed to

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pack an extra nearly 2 billion transistors into these little guys about

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26.2% too bad that wasn't enough

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transistors starting with f123 we see

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our previous generation x3d chips leading the pack now AMD never claimed

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that the 9700 X would be the new gaming champ but what they did say is that it's

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supposed to beat 5,000 series 3dv cash

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chips in gaming on average we found that

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the story was a bit more complicated than that but we'll get to that later

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for now I'm happy to tell you that our new 9000 Series chips beat everything

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else on the field except for Intel's 14900 K and let's be real I can't

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personally tell the difference between 381 frames per second and 378 and I

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certainly wouldn't want to deal with the extra heat power consumption or cost

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moving to a very CPU bound Esports title in rocket League wow do these things

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ever rip do I need over 800 frames per

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second no but is it cool that our 9700x

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is heads and tails about everything else absolutely and the 9600 X isn't very far

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behind now it's clear that any of the CPUs we tested will do this job just

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fine even our inexpensive 14100 F but if

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you were looking for a generational gain it's clear that they can be found like

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in returnal where our 9700x wins again

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not by much over AMD's goed X 3D chips but if we narrow in on the Apples to

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Apples comparisons against the non x3d

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predecessors we're looking looking at gains of over

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20% now considering these processors are barely different when we compare the

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spec tables and that they're using way less power that is pretty dang

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impressive and makes me very excited for the inevitable x3d refresh of course

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those aren't here yet and we haven't finished painting a full picture of

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these you might have noticed that most of what we've tested so far has been at

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low settings instead of ultra so let's change it up a bit and look at maxed out

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Total War Warhammer 3 this is still a fairly CPU dependent game which is why

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we chose it cuz we're testing CPUs but you can see that once you start to turn

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the details up things get pretty close at the top of the charts to show you why

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this matters we also ran this title at low where you can see that the AMD CPUs

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do pull further ahead but realistically if you're spending this kind of money on

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your CPU you're probably not going to be running everything at low so it's worth

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taking all of these results as what they are an illustration of how much faster

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these CPUs are in a completely non GPU

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bottleneck scenario probably the most interesting thing here though is our

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little 14100 F that could just chugging

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along down there but we'll come back to that later first I want to talk about

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our results from our x3d chips the 7800

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x3d does typically beat the prior generation 5800 x3d but not by as much

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as you might think both in averages and in all important 1% lows so if you're a

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gamer realistically our recommendation from 2 and 1/2 years ago hasn't really

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changed other than that you might be able to save yourself a buck with the

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newer cheaper 5700 x3d we didn't

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actually run the numbers on this chip but it's only marginally slower than its

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big brother and when paired with a budget board and some ddr4 memory it is

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an outstanding value x3d is weakness

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however is in productivity and this is where the fun begins Intel was already

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behind in huget bench Photoshop but now AMD has increased their lead with a 10

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plus% gain over their last gen 7000

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series in handbreak our h264 results were disappointing with the last

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Generation ryzen 7 beating the new hotness but av1 encoding is a whole

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other story thanks to am5 switch to a true 512-bit data path instead of double

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pumping 256 we see a similar Improvement on the 9600 X in blender but curiously

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the 97 100x isn't going to give you a reason to upgrade over last gen perhaps

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it's not as powerful as we thought it would be more

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on that later and unfortunately that trend of barely changing continues with

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go do compile where we have some marginal generational uplift on the

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ryzen 7 and then slightly better results on the ryzen 5 7zip is a tad better for

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both in compression but then worse in decompression and while cinebench does

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see an improvement it's minimal so what's going on here as it turns out a

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lot of it has to do with the lower power consumption that we mentioned earlier in

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cinebench our 7700x consumes an average

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of 144 Watts while the 9700x is steady

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at 88 Watts that is almost a 40%

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decrease in power consumption while netting slightly more performance and

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here in this part of Canada where power is cheap it's hard to get too excited

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about this kind of efficiency but for other parts of the world you could save

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so much on power you could treat yourself to a PTM 7950 thermal pad from

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our 14700 K is streets ahead in terms of

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raw numbers but it's using almost 250

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Watts out of the box to get there that is almost triple the power for just

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under twice the score and if you toss out those ecor we can see that in single

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core testing on both the 97 and 9600 X

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Intel is losing by a wide margin now part of this could be because AMD seems

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to be leaving some performance on the table check this out in cinebench our

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ryzen 7 refuses to reach the advertised 5.5 GHz boost clock capping out instead

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at around 5.2 and I know what you're thinking well that 5.5 is just a single

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core boost it's just for gaming except that on our ryzen 5 it does manage to

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hit its maximum advertised boost across all cores in multi shaded workloads not

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all the time mind you but sometimes our ryzen 7 doesn't seem to be defective it

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hits 5.5 in games and even in other

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stress tests like occt linpack and

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outside of games it's using the same or a similar power envelope to do so so

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what gives here and I know what you're thinking it's got to be cooling right

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well here's the thing this might be clear to some of you already but less

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Watts means less heat so where AMD was already crushing Intel now we're seeing

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even better performance these chips run so cool I'm talking a 22° drop on

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average on the ryzen 7 and 16° on the

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ryzen 5 so for anyone who hates seeing High CPU temps AMD just dummied Intel

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and did it efficiently so it's not thermals what is it we'll get to it

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first I want to talk about where this efficiency uplift comes from it's

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partially thanks to AMD's new two aead branch prediction this is going to be

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really simplified down but here we go let's say you're running a program and

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that program is trying to get from point A to point B without Branch prediction

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at every fork in the road it has to stop and figure out which way to go then go

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down the right path with Branch prediction your CPU can predict the path

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ahead of time removing the need to stop and think at each fork with two ahead

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prediction the CPU is guessing the next two steps and by dual porting the

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instruction fetching AMD is is able to basically check the guess work about

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twice as quickly which speeds up the entire process now there is still a

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penalty if they get a prediction wrong but it's not any worse than how they

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were doing things before so it's all gains baby so what's not to love here

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well there are a few things we are not getting the xdna 2 AI component that is

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present in the strix point mobile counterpart to these chips instead AMD

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is claiming that the CPU can act as an aii accelerator which

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is a pretty honest takedown of the whole AI frenzy that AMD themselves is

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participating in but it could make a slight difference down the line

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especially for power consumption a bigger issue for me though is that more

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ryzen 9000 chips are coming but everything AMD has announced is going to

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be more expensive than what we're looking at today which continues AMD's

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troubling trend of ignoring their ryzen 3 customers we also think that while

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efficiency is exciting to the data center folks who are eagerly awaiting

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epic Turin with its Unthinkable 192 core

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counts most desktop users might have preferred to see AMD give these chips a

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little more juice by default and it's finally time to talk about the weirdness

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that we observed we tested the 9700x

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with PBO enabled and with its power set to unlimited and what we found was that

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it easily Drew over 140 Watts putting it

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in the same neighborhood as its predecessor in terms of power consumption and resulting in some

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measurable performance gains of course though this is technically overclocking

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and with the recent reliability issues that have plagued Intel users I can

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understand why some of you might shy away from this so I guess what I'm

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saying is I wish AMD had just officially

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under warranty given these things more juice so that we could reach those

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advertised boost clocks across all course like we did once we enabled PBO

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also last thing the lowest tier am5 b840

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motherboards that are supposedly supposed to help make this platform more

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affordable don't officially support PCI

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E Gen 4 so if you do try to save a buck on your motherboard you could end up

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seriously limiting your graphics and your storage bandwidth which just just

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it's one more knife in the side of AMD's budget conscious

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customers with that in mind we thought it would be interesting to see how AMD's

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new offerings stack up against what you can't buy from AMD right now a CPU that

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costs less L than half as much money fits in a cheaper board that does

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support PCI Gen 4 and comes with a stock cooler the results aren't amazing but

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when you don't even have a competitor in the weight class you kind of forfeit the

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fight and Intel's 1400f puts up pretty respectable results at less than half

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the price now it struggles in productivity and struggles even more in

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CPU bound games but if you're on a budget it's a pretty compelling value of

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course though it's based on a platform that has no future upgrade path and you

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aren't saving that much compared to am4

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which by the way AMD just released another refresh 4 with the XT lineup and

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they also confirmed that am5 is going to be supported until at least 2027 in

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conclusion then solid chips even better if you're adventurous and turn on PBO

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but not really for gamers so I'm kind of

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more excited to see the matchup that's coming then between the 9800x 3D and

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Intel's AOL link which supposed is dropping hyperthreading all together

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huge move and I don't think anybody knows what that's going to mean for

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gaming performance as they go to a purely big little architecture just like

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