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you want to build a sick gaming PC on a reasonable budget but the thing is 1,000

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bucks doesn't stretch as far as it used to even a console can cost that much

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these days maybe the solution is time

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travel no not literally I mean taking

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your part selection back a few Generations but how much performance are

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you leaving on the table I mean 9600 is

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a much higher number than 5700 so it

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must be a much better choice right

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right no and in fact these two CPUs are

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kind of the perfect springboard for our little investigation SL experiment here

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should we just stop buying the latest Hardware to find out we built two entire

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systems using two wildly different philosophies this one can only use

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current generation Parts while this one can reach as far back into the past as

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it wants in search of the best bang for the buck now as you would expect pricing

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is always changing so if we built these systems a week ago or a week from now we

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might get very different computers but we're still interested in identifying

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any Trends tips and tricks that we can see that might help you get the most out

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of your next build or even your current one we're also interested in identifying

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description AMD doesn't really do new

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ryzen 3 CPUs anymore so our brand new pc

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was kind of stuck with the ryzen 7 9600

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X not that that's a terrible thing I

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mean when you can consider that it uses Zen 5 versus the Zen 3 we're going to be

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using in this system you'd think the answer would be obvious but our older

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5700 X 3D has two extra cores and is

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packed to the gills with 3D vcash now this chip hasn't quite achieved 1080 TI

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levels of legendary but the more than $150 savings versus its bigger brother

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frees up some very interesting budget for some big upgrades later on that's

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benefit Numero Uno of the oldest gold philosophy choice not only is there

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generally more selection but you can get substantial discounts on new inbox

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Hardware that retailers are hoping to clear from their shelves that is as long

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as you're ready to strike there can be trade-offs though for example our 5700 X

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3D here uses socket am4 which is a dead

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end for future upgrades and even for some current ones even if you paired

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this chip with the best compatible motherboard on the market you'd still be

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stuck with PCIe Gen 4 and ddr4 memory

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although it's worth noting those probably aren't major considerations at

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a $1,000 budget even our SSD we'd have

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probably stuck with a Gen 4 boot Drive even if we had extra money to spend Gen

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5 drives cost more don't really benefit gaming and they run hotter at least they

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do today but who knows what the future holds for devices that'll fit in these

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slots and being compatible with future Hardware is a tangible Advantage for

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team shiny here it can also be an advantage today ddr5 all other things

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being equal offers a small but measurable benefit over ddr4 and our 16

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gigs of tforce Delta RGB fit perfectly in our budget we would have rather gone

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with something a little bit faster but that kind of trade-off is kind of our

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point if we want something new we don't always get a best-in Class part it has

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gotten really hard to spec a well-rounded th000 machine with all all

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new gen Parts meanwhile in Tardis land though we got that same 16 gig capacity

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but this time right in the price performance sweet spot with the only

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downside being that when we want to upgrade a few years down the road we're

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going to need to replace our CPU RAM and motherboard all in one Fell Swoop

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speaking of motherboard this Asus Prime B 550 ma is a pretty good value when

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it's on sale for around $100 meanwhile this gigabyte x870 gaming

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plus Wi-Fi 6 ran us

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$220 that is a huge difference but then

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again so is Wi-Fi 6 PCIe Gen 5 for both

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the GPU and SSD not to mention an am5

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socket which AMD has committed to support until at least 2027 that means

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new Chips new drivers and maybe most importantly new security updates AMD has

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recently said that they will not be patching ryzen 1,000 2,000 or 3 3,000

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series chips for the sink clo vulnerability although they backtracked

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on the 3,000 series after some Community

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outrage and seeing as the latest 3000 Series came out in 2020 the same year

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that we started getting 5,000 series processors the end of support for our

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older platform oh not that one this one is probably coming soon clearly that

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won't matter when it comes to our next part though the case on this side we've

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got a random old case that was cheap

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and over here we've got the fantex eclipse

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g3a now in terms of size and features they're both fairly similar but with

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cases the devil's in the details good ventilation Cable Management that's not

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going to cut your fingers and some high quality included fans very nice fantex

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meanwhile over here this is what fit in our budget heck yeah cool well

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thankfully we probably won't need as much cooling for these components cuz

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we're not going to have it there is Cable Management though and it's got one

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fan included I expect our Corsair cx650 watt to give

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us a better long-term experience than our $41 thermal T smart 600 watt but it

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was the only thing that fit in this budget and honestly speaking even our

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better Corsair could end up near its limit if you were to replicate these

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builds we would strongly recommend a juicier power supply for both of these

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systems and if you are by the way we're going to have all the parts linked down

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below you'll notice that what's in the system is not actually the 600 W one uh

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this is such a crappy power supply it wouldn't even boot the system is this

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over budget now it's a $20 more for 60 more watts seems to be doing the trick

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um but yeah for our cooler we settled on

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the thermal right Phantom spirit it's so nice we bought it

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twice Yep this thing is so good we used the same one for both systems which

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actually brings us to the big difference

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our gpus until the NVIDIA RTX 5000

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series comes out and I guess also maybe

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eventually has an option that doesn't cost more than our entire budget we are

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stuck with the Zotac twin Edge RTX 4060

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to be clear it's not a terrible card it's got decent 1080p gaming performance

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with the usual NVIDIA features that turn it into a far more compelling package

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than its wimpy 8 gigs of vram would normally allow I can see why it's

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popular compared to its a equivalent but here's the thing this XFX Speedster

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Radeon 7800 XT is not an equivalent card

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we were able to spend an extra $200 on it thanks to our frugality

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elsewhere so even though it's hard to compare spec for spec across Team Green

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and team red we can probably expect a huge performance Delta not to mention

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the double PCIe bandwidth of course in

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theory that shouldn't impact the real world too much but hey why am I talking

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about Theory time to put these systems to the

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test representing team brand new will be

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David while I will be taking our old machine not because I know the outcome

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and I like winning because you're old but you mean that one too easy let's

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start with a cine bench drag race ready and

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go I'm tired I'm going to sit down I guess I'm the old one

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my knees cracked I'm totally out

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ofe he must have been trying to distract from the fact that the all news system

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is pulling ahead you know what the difference isn't that much especially

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when you consider that that is two generations newer then I'm not really

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sure what I expected cuz I have two more cores let's move on to gaming I love

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what you've done with the backgrounds by the way Abe Simpson is my

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familiar follows me around everywhere no one else can see them I would think

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1440p yeah that's what I been testing everything 120 that's going to be pretty

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rough 4060 not my problem I would also

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be curious to run it at a lower resolution to see if your faster cores

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are a huge benefit or are they even faster I got

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x3d uh Your Game just crashed yeah

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booted me out we were having some trouble with Expo on this system that's

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the thing it's technically overclocking we might need to go back to J deck

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settings that's not going to help your performance numbers but it's the luck of

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the draw your performan is looking pretty

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good yeah 350 350 FPS I'll take

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it Oh I thought you had him oh I missed

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I I like flinched I'm a I'm a flincher uh well you haven't dropped below 200

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and I seem to live there it's almost like having a way better GPU makes a

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pretty big difference for gaming who have known Let's test my theory that I

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could switch to very high and still have better FPS than you that's very high yep

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oh hey I'm

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winning barely though barely this is an

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entire Notch up in in-game settings and about the same level of

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performance and I'm noticing my 1% low is dropping to below 100 too actually

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yeah my 1% lows are significantly better

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than yours let's do Final Fantasy 16 next after about a 1 minute unskippable

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cut scene we can jump right to the pretty epic icon fight uh that'll give

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us a pretty good indicator of what our performance is going to be and this is a

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very on topic game right now since this is one of the big PlayStation 5

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exclusives that has just come to PC right on the heels of the launch of the

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PS5 Pro and so if you guys want us to make a PS5 Pro killer give this video a

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thumbs up and we will make that happen we wouldn't even need to save that much

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money compared to this budget with how expensive that thing

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is oh oh no oh wow oh

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no not even 30 that's not close dude

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that was chugging yeah that was below 20

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I mean NVIDIA's got a lot of cool technology to make up for having an

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underpowered GPU like frame gen but wouldn't you rather just have more

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frames this is definitely a game that's designed around upscaling uh which which

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is a bit unfortunate but this is pretty

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hopeless considering this is already 1440p but even I'm having frame drops in

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the video I also couldn't help noticing my GPU is running 20° cooler than yours

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holy crap there's something to be said for investing in a case with way better

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airflow I mean I don't know how much it would matter my GPU is pinned at 100%

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just playing this freaking video this may be an engine but capped but because

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yours can barely handle it it's running at 100% whereas mine's not that makes a

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lot of sense chugging dude it's chug a lugging look at that 15 FPS and this is

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a $1,000 PC like this is a pretty hefty

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investment and you haven't just blown money on dumb stuff either you've spent

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too much on your motherboard by getting a top tier chipet second to top tier

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that's true but other than that you haven't really done anything stupid no I

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legitimately tried to make a good $1,000 build it's hard you just tried a lot

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harder over here no it's just easier there's so many more choices and if you

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guys think oh you guys just cherry-picked a couple of games that run

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way better on lineus this machine that's not the case at all David already pre-

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benchmarked a handful of other games and even if we were able to get Expo running

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on this machine it's not going to make up the kind of difference we're

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observing here it's night and day I'm tempted to turn on frame

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sure and see if you can even make up the ground using that

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okay well that gets you there it's

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noticeably blurrier you can tell that it's lower resolution but it's not bad

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how does it feel it's pretty good it's

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pretty Snappy I'm not upset we're making a pretty good case for

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DSS this went from a pretty unplayable mess to it's not bad okay what about if

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we're looking off into the distance okay like how's the water look yours

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definitely has a a little more uh detailed resolved this is kind of it

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almost feels less contrasty even though these are the same monitors yep and it's

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the same in the textures on the character model mhm it's clearly a

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little bit sharper for me oh yeah you can really see that in the chain mail

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yeah and to your point oh ew oh ew oh

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not good so it can be pretty distracting sometimes

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and I haven't turned on any of my upscaling if you just want to see FPS

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number go up I got that too I really did

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not get a lot of extra frames and I just got a sharpness filter applied to

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everything dang it FSR not nearly as

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good hey and I'm getting my 30 FPS cutcenes now I did

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it incredible deal assassin frame gen

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really is the compelling argument to make for the the modern gen system and

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it's worth noting that if you strongly do prefer one brand of GPU over the

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other it's not like we couldn't have put an in card in our older gen system we

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could have gone with 3070 or something like that and you can even get some

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really great deals on 3080s but we decided for the sake of this video that

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we weren't going to look at used cards we were just going to stick to stuff

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that you could buy brand new all that's left now is to answer the question of

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which of these systems would you buy let us know in the comments the oldie but

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goodie or the shiny new toy and also to

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talk about what we've learned first of all timing is everything thing the am5

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platform is coming up on 3 years old with the am4 platform crossing the

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8-year Mark just recently so it's no wonder that there's lots of deals to be

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had here and not so many over here but you can't take that for granted once

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NVIDIA cleared out their 3,000 series chards they cleared them out and while

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you still can find them brand new from time to time it's pretty rare another

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thing we learned is that generational gains don't seem to Trump the savings of

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buying older Hardware at least it's not a guarantee

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there were a lot of challenges in picking the parts for these there's going to be a Floatplane exclusive

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closer look where David's going to be discussing how allowing ourselves to

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look at used Hardware might have affected our choices either way it's

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pretty clear that you should not lock yourself into the newest releases PC

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Hardware is not evolving at the same Pace that it once was and you just don't

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you it's you I know it's you it's a whole different game