AMD played you all for suckers played us
all for suckers really I mean look at this they are releasing basically the
same ryzen 7000 CPUs but for way cheaper
not only that but they run way cooler and they draw way less power I wouldn't
blame you for feeling pretty bad right now but don't feel bad this is exactly
the kind of Sucker Punch that we've got to love because it means the whole
Market is moving in a less costly Direction and it means that AMD is
putting heavy pressure on Intel in a way that we wish they would do to NVIDIA I
mean it's a good thing sameish CPUs
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today where the xlabel ryzen 7000 chips
enjoyed TDP ratings of 170 and 105 Watts
taking the uh X away leaves us with
essentially the same CPUs with the same Core specs but at lower base clock
speeds slightly lower boost clock speeds
and a friendly 65 wat TDP with a stock
socket power of just 88 Watts the cash
thread counts and most importantly overclocking support are all identical
and the accompanying 600 series platform keeps all of its capabilities no matter
which CPU you plun into it you're still getting ddr5 PCI Express Gen 5 and the
same rdna2 integrated Graphics cores although as with the X Series chips
those two GPU compute units aren't going to do much more than light up your
display and handle Hardware video encoding and decoding all of which
sounds pretty good though what's the competition up to then good question we
couldn't help noticing that Intel has already launched their nonk competitors
to these chips we noticed when we read about it in the news and it looks like
we weren't the only ones who got completely blindsided by this launch as
far as we can tell there aren't any proper reviews for these chips anywhere
as of the time of recording this could it be that Intel Maiden oopsy whoopsy
underestimated AMD and doesn't really want anyone to talk about these honestly
it kind of looks that way not only did until cut out overclocking support and
cut down base and boost clocks but these chips dramatically exceed their 65 watt
TDP in a way that we didn't observe with AMD and they won't opportunistically
boost forever like the K series will and
like AMD's entire 7000 series will what's worse the core i5 13600
inexplicably loses a big chunk of level two cash that might not sound like a
huge deal but cash can make a huge difference in performance across a wide
variety of workloads including you guessed it gaming so did they kneecap
this chip on purpose unfortunately we don't have any of them on hand so we're
going to have to look into them at a later date and we will look into them in
tell even if I have to personally camp out in front of the store to buy one I'm
kidding nobody's camping out for these coming back to team exciting though AMD
they claim that by simply dropping the TDP they're able to achieve
industry-leading performance per watt which obviously we're going to be
putting to the test today we're going to be using a Noctua nhd15 for cooling in
order to let all of our chips stretch their legs but it should be noted that
the entire non-x lineup ships with a box cooler and you should expect to get
maximum performance out of these ones without spending any extra money on an
exotic cooling solution as with our previous ryzen 7000 review our Intel
bench is using ddr5 6800 and our AMD
bench will be using ddr5 6000 this is
not to give Intel an advantage but rather to keep our comparison Fair AMD
benefits more from running tighter timings and keeping the infinity fabric
clock synced to the RAM even if that is a little lower if you want to learn more
about the infinity Fabric's relationship with RAM we did a whole video on RAM
speed on ryzen a little while ago that is still relevant to the current gen in
CPU bound 1080p gaming shadow of the Tomb Raider starts the non-x chips off
pretty decently with the ryzen 9 7900 and ryzen 77700 falling behind their ex-
cousins by about 8% while the 7600
managed exactly the same performance we tested csgo next but modern chips have
actually gotten so fast that it's quickly becoming irrelevant the lowest
result is450 FPS meaning that the differences basically don't matter and
sometimes the results are even contradictory moving on then cyberpunk
is a slightly worse story for our x-free chips than Tomb Raider was with the dip
and performance sitting at anywhere between 8 and 15% for the higher core
count parts and between 2 to 3% for the ryzen
57600 it's clear then that demanding multi-core optimized games are going to
take better advantage of the X Series much higher allcore turbo
characteristics 1222 brings better news to the non-x
chips though where the 7900 comes within 5 to 6% of its X counterpart while the
ryzen 5 meanwhile manages once again to match its X counterpart which at this
point is becoming a bit of a pattern Far Cry 6 shows a bit more of a gap between
the non-x and X chips though with the 77 in particular falling behind in average
FPS while the 7900 falls behind in minimums and for as the Horizon 5 sees
the 7900 falling further behind thanks to its higher core count and thus low
lower relative clock speeds compared to the 7700 and the 7600 which are mostly
in line with their X counterparts Modern Warfare 2 evens the playing field a lot
though hinting that perhaps the game is a little more GPU bound at 1080p than we
initially realized still the ryzen 57600
seems to fall behind a little here compared to the others hinting that perhaps thread count to a point is more
important for this title the same can't be said for Total War Warhammer 3 though
where we actually got some weird data that looks like a bug with High thread
count chips the 7950 X ends up slower
than the 7900 for example and look at the 13900 K but it seems like it's okay
on the lower core count chips where we see about a 2 to 9% performance gap
between X and non- X's perhaps the most
interesting game we tested though is factorio which is lightly threaded but
still highly demanding in this the non-x
chips performed admirably within 5% of their X counterparts and nearly on par
with Team blue keep in mind as you're looking through these charts guys that
we don't have the price competitive Intel chips on our charts because they
paper launched them you can't actually get them overall then none of our tested
CPUs performed poorly I counted only 17 occasions where any frame rate dipped
below 120 FPS these are all capable
gaming CPUs but more importantly for these new ryzen processors the 7900 came
within 5% of its X counterpart with the 7700 coming within 4% and the ryzen 57
7600 being on average bang on with the
7600 X that is incredibly impressive now
the 5800 X 3D still stands out for the
impressive performance that it delivers on a last gen ddr4 platform but with the
way that ddr5 has come down in price and not to mention the upcoming x3d 7000
series chips am5 is starting to look
like the place to be if you want an upgrade path kind of like our plaid
flannel shirts the place to be they're super comfy and warm and they come in
more fun colors than ever if you're less
concerned with gaming and more concerned with work though you might be a little
disappointed cinebench puts the ryzen 9 7900 at just 88% of its X variant and
the 7700 manages just 80% compared to
the X thankfully with fewer cores to feed the 7600 manages to stick closer to
its unthrottled counterpart which is a pattern that you'll see repeated through
a lot of the tests well a lot of them not all blender is another blood bath
for the new Chips clearly they are power constrained except for the 7600 and
handbrakes av1 encoder has all the non-x chips trailing their almost equivalence
our chromium compile is an example of one of those um for the most Parts where
the 7600 shorter power leash does hold it back and it took a good 7 minutes
longer to finish meanwhile the rest of the non's stayed within spitting
distance of of the X Series none of them it should be noted are going to threaten
Intel since as we'll see their chips are
very liberal with power consumption even compared to the ryzen X Series and in
spite of their power chugging ways they don't manage to win everywhere anyway
even the x-less variants managed to outperform Intel in very light tasks
like Flack en coding other more lightly threaded workloads such as those in
proon are a little easier on the x-less CPUs with the 7900 dropping just over
10% in photo editing and coming within 3% NVIDIA which isn't bad at all the
77 does even better and the 7600 manages
to evenly match its X Series equivalent NVIDIA editing performance pretty cool
now let's take a detour into synthetics to look at seven zip where that same
pattern we saw with heavily threaded loads makes a return it's worth noting
though that in the real world this would be a lot more limited by storage speed
than it would by your CPU so it's mostly academic like w cruncher hey hey segue
why cruncher is interesting though because it lets ryzen Flex its AVX 512
muscles while Intel's chips only have avx2 they still manage to beat the lower
power ryzen chips and this is in part thanks to the absurd amount of energy
that AVX 512 requires causing them to throttle hard to their comparatively low
base clocks now let's head back to the real world with spec work station I'm
not going to lie none of these tests are exactly a win for the new lower-end
Chips and a lot of the performance differences are similar across the field
but there are some cases where they at least come close to their high
performance Intel counterparts like calculu overall then the productivity
performance for the 7900 and 7700 are
only slightly better than their price difference would suggest but the 7600
manages to stand out at an impressive 96% of the 7600 X's performance
effectively making the 7600 X obsolete
it seems like six Z four cores are perfectly happy then running it under
100 Watts speaking of which are you ready for a magic trick what do you get
when you have two processor dieses and a power Target that's under 100 Watts 40°
in Prime 95 that's what that is ridiculous yes before you ask CPU
utilization was at 100% And as you'll see the power draw was as expected
that's just how it is the ryzen 9 7900
then would make an a awesome small form factor CPU not that the others are
slouches either the 7700 does get a bit
toastier thanks to its higher core clocks and single CCD but it's
absolutely in another class than its xlabel twin and the core i7 13700 K the
ryzen 57600 is very much the same story as the 7700 embarrassing both of its
competitors in our lineup here even though it has slightly higher thermals
again thanks to its High Core clocks and single CCD here's all of them on the
same graph that is hilarious I mean why does the
scale even need to go up to 120° right because of the core I9 yeses
core clocks are interesting because while thermals were very low clocks
remained at or above base clock on all of our chips the ryzen 9 7900 while much
lower than its X twin managed to hover around 3.9 GHz before dropping to base
clocks after the first half of the run that is frankly really impressive the
ryzen 777 00 meanwhile is significantly
closer to its twin and hangs around the 4.5 GHz range or about 700 MHz over base
that is phenomenal remember guys that Prime 95 is an unreasonably heavy load
it's a stress test that is designed to make chips choke the ryzen 57600
meanwhile has the same base clock as the 7700 but manages to boost 200 MHz above
and beyond even that chip which you can see when we stack them all together on
the same graph like this it's hard to believe that these are all staying
within 90 Watts but they are here's the
ryzen 9 7900 just embarrassing the 13900
K when you consider the relatively small difference in performance I mean is that
a spike to 350 Watts this same story
keeps playing out because each of these chips maxed out their 90 wat power
Target while Intel shot to the moon the
core i5 is a little less of a power Gremlin and managed to keep things under
200 Watts but I mean just look at this combined graph here it's just a single
line all things considered especially with the energy crisis going on right
now this is an absolute win for AMD how
could we forget performance per watt well we did but in f-122 the ryzen 9
7900 remained at its maximum power throughout the run which just happens to
be much lower than either of the other nine series CPUs and when we capped it
to 100 fpm its power consumption drops even further
while remaining roughly the same distance away from its X counterpart the
7700 isn't that much less power hungry in gaming than its X sibling and we can
see that in action when we cap the frame rate the lines match up pretty well the
ryzen 57600 was already very close in
terms of power and performance to its ex sibling and capping the frame rate gives
us basically the same line which just so happens to be roughly half the power
draw of the core i5 this all works out to a watts per FPS
nearly 3/4 that of the X Series for both the ryzen 9 and 7 while the ryzen 57600
somewhat predictably is roughly the same as the 7600 X for enthusiasts though
stock performance is only part of the story we couldn't run our entire test
Suite on all of the new Chips but we did run the 7900 in a handful of
applications to see if you can simply save a few bucks by altering the power
Targets in the BIOS yourself and then scribbling your own little X onto the
heat spreader and it looks like you kind
of can is that a 1% difference in cine
bench considering the fact that we are not even manually overclocking the chip
all we're doing is letting it draw more power this is phenomenal I mean I can't
speak to what overclocking potential Above and Beyond stock boost operation
whatever you want to call that would be there you know maybe the axes are better
Bend chips but if all you want is for it to run out of the
box these things look great especially
for the money although it should be noted that cost comparisons are
complicated somewhat by the underlying platforms today while the non x7000
series chips are significantly less expensive than even Intel's KF skes not
to mention they come with coolers Intel does still hold the crown here in raw
performance and maybe more more importantly the LGA 17700 platform
supports both ddr5 and ddr4 making it
somewhat more versatile and cheaper to build on especially if you go with an
older 600 series Intel chipset motherboard instead of a 700 series one
ddr5 may no longer be a scalper item and its price premium has been coming down
but a kit of ddr5 6000 is still going to set you back about double what a low
latency ddr4 3600 kit would if your
angle is the F-word future proofing AMD's socket am5 platform is newer and
AMD has committed to supporting it through 2025 and Beyond which normally
is the kind of claim that I wouldn't take at face value but with AMD's
history with socket am4 and am3 before
that I at least want to trust them Intel's pattern meanwhile though is to
just release two CPU Generations per platform and that is it so that money
that you're saving today by going ddr4 on Intel could end up costing you down
the road if you're a frequent upgrader so then is this the shot in the ARM that
AMD needed post rptor Lake I think so
while it's a step in the opposite direction to competing in terms of
performance it is a leap in the right direction in terms of value not only
that but the thermal output of these CPUs is low enough that you could put
any one of them into a small form factor rig with a lowprofile cooler and get
stock performance out of them I mean you'd need to drop to a non-case to do
that on Intel right now and even then things could get pretty toasty we don't
know for sure because Intel evidently doesn't want anyone to look too closely
hopefully that changes for now though I guess it doesn't really matter what
Intel's doing because with these new Chips AMD has something in their lineup
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