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have lectured me about this because they're like well actually the vibrations that are passed between the drives um can be a problem in the longer term particularly when you pile more and more drives into an enclosure so having drives that are optimized for resisting any errors that might be caused by that vibration is definitely a positive positive thing the one key difference between these drives is that the WD red does tend to be a little bit more expensive on retailer shelves and is only available in a 3 tab capacity up till now and performance of these drives in Nas enclosures is very much an unknown at this point not too many people have really looked into it so we decided to take a sonology ds411 so this is their disc station quad Bay enclosure we set up a raid five in there with either four of the red 3 terabytes or four of the Seagate NAS drive 4 terabytes and decided to run some benchmarks because many people are looking at these NAS Drives going oh well they only run at 5400 or 5900 or whatever sort of Eco optimized RP M CU remember in a Naas enclosure you want less power consumption and you want less power consumption did I say power consumption twice because what I meant to say was heat output for the second thing you want less of both of those things so running at a lower RPM does help achieve that but what does that do to Performance well I'll tell you what we were expecting to happen is we were expecting the land interface right there that gigabit land interface to be the first bottleneck even running in something like a raid one configuration which is two Drive redundancy no calculations we are looking at about I mean we're looking at a maximum of 80 to 100 megabytes perss transfer speeds if we're running in something like a raid five for rights we'll be lucky to get 25 to 35 megabytes per second right speeds which means that a 5900 RPM Drive can keep up just fine so the other bottleneck like I said in raid five is going to be internally here the processor raid five is very calculation intensive so basically what you do is you have at least three drives and one one of the drives worth of space is allocated for a parody bit which is pretty much a song that someone designs to sound like another song and then they actually Chang the lyrics to make it more comical no no not that kind of parody the real parody is data that can be used to reconstruct the data on the other drive so it's extremely computation intensive when it comes particularly to writing data to a r array anyway without further Ado I'm going to put some charts and graphs up on the screen that'll give you guys some idea of the performance differences we observed which I think really backs up our hypothesis in a very big way we ran several different tests including real world small medium and large file copy tests and all of these numbers are reported in the time it took to complete the operations with either different set of drives and then we also ran black Magic's dis speed test which we've found to be a fairly reproducible and just kind of a quick and dirty Benchmark so that gives you a synthetic Benchmark as well as a real world Benchmark to show you that we really didn't observe a difference in performance between these drives so with no real performance difference between the drives how do you pick which one to go with and I think the answer is that it comes down to trust who do you have the best experiences with over the longer term or the people you know or whatever else do you want to pay more for the WD or do you want to pay less for the Seagate or do you need the 4 tab capacity that's available in the seate WD doesn't have a 4 TB red yet so there's all those things to consider I know slick just recently purchased just four of the 3 terab WD Reds for a personal raid array um so that should give you some idea what we think of the red particularly internally here and speaking of things that we think very highly of internally here audible.com so check out audible.com Linus you can get yourself a free audio book by signing up and then you can obviously get a subscription and after that unfortunately they're not free but the good news is they have over 150,000 audiobooks that you can download now whether it's older stuff business stuff or the latest bestsellers so for example I was just checking out the Cuckoo's calling by Robert galra or grith or GTH whatever it doesn't matter not a real person um if you don't know this already Robert galbreth is actually a pen name that was being used by JK Rowling so there's a big controversy and all that it was very well reviewed but wasn't selling particularly well until all of a sudden it leaked and someone told someone who told someone and anyway the point is now it's all over the internet Al acclaimed even before we knew it was JK rling I'm receiving extremely good reviews even now that we do know that it's JK rling who wrote this particular book so it's kind of a mystery so no no magic or anything like that and I do recommend checking that out guys if you go ahead and redeem your free audiobook yay audible.com Linus go check it out right now thanks for watching this episode of Linus Tech tips on NAS Drives versus other more different NAS Drives and how per performance- wise it basically doesn't make a difference don't forget to subscribe to lus Tech tips for more unboxings reviews and other computer videos"}