WEBVTT 00:00:00.711 --> 00:00:02.443 - It's retro time! 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:08.870 I told you, you'd know what it is. This is multiple boxes here, 00:00:08.870 --> 00:00:12.860 it's actually multiple different things. So let's start with this here, 00:00:12.860 --> 00:00:16.470 which is the base of what all of this is going to come together from. 00:00:16.470 --> 00:00:21.080 This is the Terasic/Intel, actually owned by Intel, 00:00:21.080 --> 00:00:24.210 FPGA called the DE10-Nano. 00:00:24.210 --> 00:00:28.460 Why an FPGA? Well, it can be used to play video games, 00:00:28.460 --> 00:00:32.950 retro games in fact. Actually, this thing is kind of interesting in itself, 00:00:32.950 --> 00:00:36.270 it's a project called MiSTer. So we've got a starter guide here, 00:00:36.270 --> 00:00:40.330 and a bunch of other stuff, just throw that over there for now. We've got a power supply. 00:00:40.330 --> 00:00:43.730 Plus we got two USB cables, 00:00:43.730 --> 00:00:49.220 one is Micro, and one is Mini, there's the Mini right there, nice and chunky. 00:00:49.220 --> 00:00:53.380 It's like some standoffs, or feet. And the board itself. 00:00:53.380 --> 00:00:58.920 Now what makes FPGA special? They're kind of like processors, but not really, 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:05.010 they're a lot slower than most processors are, but they execute code basically on the metal, 00:01:05.010 --> 00:01:08.540 there's no operating system, it's for a single purpose. 00:01:08.540 --> 00:01:12.440 So you would use one of these for prototyping, for an ASIC, 00:01:12.440 --> 00:01:16.100 or, you could run retro games on them, because why not? 00:01:16.100 --> 00:01:19.700 This is a pretty Raspberry Pi sized device here. 00:01:19.700 --> 00:01:24.820 So we've got Ethernet, we've got the two USBs, actually Micro and Mini for some reason, 00:01:24.820 --> 00:01:29.180 and we have another USB on the back, which is also Mini, plus HDMI and our power. 00:01:29.180 --> 00:01:32.240 We also have GPIO, or General-Purpose IO pins. 00:01:32.240 --> 00:01:37.600 These will be used I think, because, not only are we going to have 00:01:37.600 --> 00:01:42.090 something for this to go into, which is kind of the, other boxes there. 00:01:42.090 --> 00:01:46.550 But we should also have, I think, an expansion module to give it a little bit more RAM. 00:01:46.550 --> 00:01:49.570 Not a 100% sure on that, let me take a look at these other boxes, 00:01:49.570 --> 00:01:53.940 and see what's inside. These were sent over by Neil, from RMC-The Cave. 00:01:53.940 --> 00:01:58.610 So hello, Cave Dwellers. Let's see what's in this main box here, 00:01:58.610 --> 00:02:02.640 Oh, (Speaker hums) that's tasty looking. 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:06.560 This is the MiSTer multi-system. There's two parts to this, 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.770 there's this, and there's also a chassis as well. 00:02:09.770 --> 00:02:13.620 This, is what we're going to be plugging this into. 00:02:13.620 --> 00:02:21.230 I think it goes in something like this. So we got the GPIO pins pointing down, 00:02:21.230 --> 00:02:24.530 and what that does, is it breaks this out into, 00:02:24.530 --> 00:02:29.530 SCART if you want it, Ethernet, two USBs on the back, 00:02:29.540 --> 00:02:33.980 VGA or DB15. I forget what this switch for, 00:02:33.980 --> 00:02:38.810 this I think is, just straight up audio. This is digital audio, Toslink. 00:02:38.810 --> 00:02:43.480 HDMI, it requires its own separate power adapter. And on the front here we've got more USB ports, 00:02:43.480 --> 00:02:47.330 and, (Anthony laughing) this USB port here, and I think also this one. 00:02:47.330 --> 00:02:51.550 These two are not USB. What they're wired for, I mean, okay, they are USB, 00:02:51.550 --> 00:02:54.893 but what they're wired for, is something called SNAC, S-N-A-C. 00:02:54.893 --> 00:02:57.950 So serial native accessory connector, I think. 00:02:57.950 --> 00:03:04.990 What that does is, it breaks up this USB, into the native adapter for a Super Nintendo controller. 00:03:04.990 --> 00:03:11.900 Why would you want that? Well, it just so happens, that we can run all kinds of "emulators," on this FPGA. 00:03:11.900 --> 00:03:15.840 Now they're not actually emulators, they're also not actually what people seem to think they are. 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:19.720 We'll get into that later. This is an expansion port, 00:03:19.720 --> 00:03:24.100 that can be used for all kinds of different things. Like for more SNAC connectors, 00:03:24.100 --> 00:03:28.950 for a JAMMA harness, I think. Which is for plugging this into an arcade machine. 00:03:28.950 --> 00:03:33.590 There's also things like mini-modules, so if you want to run old computers, 00:03:33.590 --> 00:03:37.820 this can emulate old computers directly. Right now, I don't think there are any available 00:03:37.820 --> 00:03:41.150 that I know of. But I do know that there are some that are prototyped, 00:03:41.150 --> 00:03:45.140 aside from the JAMMA harness. This here, 00:03:45.140 --> 00:03:50.850 there's a reason why this, is kind of on this little snap tab thing on the PCB. 00:03:50.850 --> 00:03:56.680 There's some RAM here, there are RAM expansions you can get for these Terasic DE10s, 00:03:56.680 --> 00:04:00.260 and this has it built in, but if you want to use your own, you can. 00:04:00.260 --> 00:04:05.860 So let's move on to the next box. I'm told that Neil included some goodies for us, 00:04:05.860 --> 00:04:09.543 including some SNAC modules. I do like some SNACs. 00:04:10.970 --> 00:04:15.900 Let's see what's in here, okay. So, we have an SD card, presumably. 00:04:15.900 --> 00:04:21.483 Oh, wait, what? I thought he was going to preload an SD card, this is a sealed one. 00:04:22.390 --> 00:04:24.743 Hmm, okay, we'll see how this works out. 00:04:25.700 --> 00:04:31.950 And here is the chassis, or one of the chassis, because I think, the other box, includes another chassis. 00:04:31.950 --> 00:04:34.893 And you'll see why there are two chassis in a moment. 00:04:35.860 --> 00:04:41.000 Yeah, here we go. So if you live in North America, chances are you have no use, 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.860 for the giant, very foreign connector, that is SCART. 00:04:44.860 --> 00:04:48.270 And in that case, you wouldn't want to use this chassis here, 00:04:48.270 --> 00:04:52.720 you'd probably want to use this one. So, there's this chassis, if that's you. 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:56.450 If you're me, and you have a bunch of SCART devices, then you might use this one, 00:04:56.450 --> 00:04:59.940 so you can plug a SCART cable directly down into it. It's pretty interesting, 00:04:59.940 --> 00:05:04.680 there's two separate layouts you can use, and in fact, this here, 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:09.140 on the back of the SCART-less version, allows you to hard-wire a SCART cable into it, 00:05:09.140 --> 00:05:12.610 if you so choose. So you're not stuck with one or the other. 00:05:12.610 --> 00:05:18.480 I don't have a SCART connector to show you right now, aside from what is on this PCB. 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:23.330 But what that carries is basically, everything from composite video, 00:05:23.330 --> 00:05:26.430 to, I think in some cases, digital audio, 00:05:26.430 --> 00:05:30.220 as well as RGB video. Which is similar to what you would get out of a VGA port, 00:05:30.220 --> 00:05:34.720 and that's why there's both of these here. Let's see what's in this, this looks like SNAC modules, 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:38.360 so that's promising. That looks like Atari/SEGA, 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:42.460 this looks like original Nintendo, and I also have a Super Nintendo controller. 00:05:42.460 --> 00:05:45.783 Does this come out? Yes, it does. There you go. 00:05:46.640 --> 00:05:52.940 One thing to note, there is a little fan in here, that's for keeping the fan-less FPGA cool. 00:05:52.940 --> 00:05:57.800 I think there should also be, yes, there's a heat sink kit along the screws 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:02.070 and stuff that I need. So, what I was going to show you, is this SNAC connector. 00:06:02.070 --> 00:06:04.323 You plug it in like so, 00:06:05.350 --> 00:06:09.570 then you can just plug in native peripherals, like this Super Nintendo controller, 00:06:09.570 --> 00:06:15.510 I also have a Super Nintendo mouse, that I'm going to try, with some "Mario Paint." I don't have a Super Scope, or an NES Zapper, 00:06:15.510 --> 00:06:18.830 or anything like that, we don't have a CRT to run them on right now either, 00:06:18.830 --> 00:06:22.170 but it should support those. Are there any other questions 00:06:22.170 --> 00:06:26.790 you have about the IO capabilities of the MiSTer multi-system, Jono? 00:06:26.790 --> 00:06:30.507 - [Jono] No, it's pretty much, I just wanna start seeing it. 00:06:30.507 --> 00:06:34.030 - You want to start seeing it? All right. 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This block of jumpers here, 00:07:02.470 --> 00:07:05.620 actually controls some of what the HDMI output, 00:07:05.620 --> 00:07:09.340 will actually output, so that you can disable HDMI CEC, 00:07:09.340 --> 00:07:12.530 or you can override the display data 00:07:12.530 --> 00:07:16.000 so that your a capture card, for example, won't freak out 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:21.530 if you're putting a weird resolution that your monitor supports, but the capture card doesn't. 00:07:21.530 --> 00:07:24.540 So you can go ahead and switch those, however you need to. 00:07:24.540 --> 00:07:27.820 I don't think we'll need to switch it at all, but they're there. 00:07:27.820 --> 00:07:33.300 So we just slap that on there, kind of the same way we would for a Raspberry Pi. 00:07:33.300 --> 00:07:40.023 So the Ethernet cable goes in there, and this here USB cable, goes in here. 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:45.290 It's a bit of a tight squeeze with that SCART connection. 00:07:45.290 --> 00:07:50.290 So the idea is that, I can then bend these around, 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:55.240 and plug them directly into the DE10-Nano, like so. 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:58.270 It's a little jank, (Jono laughing) but hey, it's less jank, 00:07:58.270 --> 00:08:04.270 than a lot of the other cases I've seen. We need to make sure that it is all aligned exact, 00:08:04.270 --> 00:08:07.490 and then, we can push it down. 00:08:07.490 --> 00:08:10.790 We're going with this black enclosure without the SCART. 00:08:10.790 --> 00:08:14.221 Personally, I would use the SCART, but that's just because I'm crazy. 00:08:14.221 --> 00:08:19.250 - [Jono] You can add it in later. - You can add it in later. Also you could just swap the case later if you wanted to, 00:08:19.250 --> 00:08:22.420 it's not that big a deal. Fairly high quality print, all things considered. 00:08:22.420 --> 00:08:26.200 Oh, actually, (Anthony laughs) I'm not sure you're supposed to be able to pet 00:08:26.200 --> 00:08:30.160 the inside of the case like this. - [Jono] Oh dang! It didn't adhere. 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:34.980 - Yeah. I mean, it's not a problem, but it's something they're going to have to figure out 00:08:34.980 --> 00:08:38.620 for quality control. - [Jono] Can you get your own files and download them? 00:08:38.620 --> 00:08:42.660 - Yes, it is open source. - Ah. - So you can download and print this yourself, 00:08:42.660 --> 00:08:48.070 if you so choose. You also can build this PCB yourself, if you so choose. 00:08:48.070 --> 00:08:54.070 I'm not sure you'd want to. Come on, oh please, there we go. 00:08:54.070 --> 00:09:00.080 There we go, we can use these little buttons that I put in, how nice, and it's got the switch there, ah, beautiful. 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.450 - [Jono] So is this like a little mini-console. - Yeah, basically. 00:09:03.450 --> 00:09:07.240 The idea is, once you close it up, you don't see any of that jank. 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:12.040 The good thing about this case, is that it's all in one. So it includes that RAM expansion, it includes the cooling, 00:09:12.040 --> 00:09:15.230 it includes the SNAC adapter, so basically you're getting 00:09:15.230 --> 00:09:18.970 all the stuff you would have to source separately. - [Jono] It actually feels really soothing 00:09:18.970 --> 00:09:22.400 to just put this together. - Yeah, it goes together really nicely, 00:09:22.400 --> 00:09:25.193 even though it's a little bit jank. But like, I mean, 00:09:26.210 --> 00:09:30.580 it's a labor of love. Wait, what am I screwing this into? 00:09:30.580 --> 00:09:33.273 This is not the screw hole, that I'm supposed to be using. 00:09:36.910 --> 00:09:40.140 (upbeat instrumental music) 00:09:40.140 --> 00:09:46.550 All right, all that's left is to add the feet. Oh man, if I were more attentive to detail, 00:09:46.550 --> 00:09:51.170 I'd probably use tweezers for these, since my fingers are giant sausages. 00:09:51.170 --> 00:09:55.660 And we have an assembled MiSTer FPGA, or sorry, MiSTer multi-system. 00:09:55.660 --> 00:09:58.720 Designed and developed by, Heber Electronics 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:03.760 and RMC-The Cave. Oh yeah, just in case you were wondering, 00:10:03.760 --> 00:10:07.080 this is about, oh, look at the curvature. 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:10.960 (Jono laughing) It's almost perfect, I've got another banana right here. 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.223 So we can kinda like, 00:10:14.350 --> 00:10:19.350 it's a little bit bigger than two bananas just overall. 00:10:19.580 --> 00:10:23.020 Yeah, scale. - [Jono] How much did we just spend on this? 00:10:23.020 --> 00:10:28.860 - How much did we spend on this? That's a wonderful question, $231 Canadian for that. 00:10:28.860 --> 00:10:32.750 That's for the FPGA itself. That's about $199. 00:10:32.750 --> 00:10:39.808 Retail price for the MiSTer multi-system is, £169.99. 00:10:39.808 --> 00:10:41.710 (Jono exclaims) So that's another 200 bucks. 00:10:44.100 --> 00:10:49.616 There we go, should be fine. Let's see, LTT, warning do not drop, that's a maybe. 00:10:49.616 --> 00:10:54.293 WASD, nice. So this fits really nicely right here. 00:10:55.420 --> 00:10:58.540 Nice. (Jono laughing) 00:10:58.540 --> 00:11:02.570 Yeah, it's pricey, it's basically the cost again, of another DE10-Nano, 00:11:02.570 --> 00:11:06.160 but you do get that extra RAM, which is something you normally have to pay, 00:11:06.160 --> 00:11:08.467 I think like, $80 or more for. 00:11:10.560 --> 00:11:14.500 Wait, what? What is this screwed into? What did I screw it into? 00:11:14.500 --> 00:11:18.370 Oh, it was the wrong one. I did mess it up. 00:11:18.370 --> 00:11:21.520 But how come, I don't, okay. 00:11:21.520 --> 00:11:25.060 - [Jono] It's okay Anthony, it should be fine. - It should be fine, 00:11:25.060 --> 00:11:29.630 but I want to have at least one, why did I do that? (Jono laughing) 00:11:29.630 --> 00:11:33.690 So what should we do first Jono. - [Jono] I want to play some games. 00:11:33.690 --> 00:11:35.540 - Got a couple of console games here. 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:41.190 Let's try this. All right, let's load up "Super Mario World." 00:11:41.190 --> 00:11:46.870 You can see there, it's running at 720p. Actually I think that's a 3X scale, 00:11:46.870 --> 00:11:52.600 for what we're looking at here. And it's currently using the whole screen, we can actually set that, to be an integer scale, 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.610 if we want. And what that does, is it just makes it so that the pixels aren't stretched out. 00:11:56.610 --> 00:12:00.683 You can also set up some scalar stuff, like you can make it look smoother, 00:12:00.683 --> 00:12:04.740 you can do scan lines I think, yeah, scan lines. 00:12:04.740 --> 00:12:08.450 Which, I mean, I kinda dig that, but it's a little bit basic. 00:12:08.450 --> 00:12:14.240 Delay generally is pretty good, but the keyboard is only running at 125 Hertz, 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:17.500 as far as its poll rate goes. 00:12:17.500 --> 00:12:20.930 So it's not like original hardware. 00:12:20.930 --> 00:12:25.930 So what is like original hardware, is the SNAC. 00:12:26.340 --> 00:12:29.890 So let's have ourselves a SNAC here. All right, let's see if that just works. 00:12:29.890 --> 00:12:35.020 Okay, so, I might have to restart the game here. I can set the serial button here, 00:12:35.020 --> 00:12:39.280 or serial function to SNAC, and what that lets me do. (Anthony exclaiming) 00:12:39.280 --> 00:12:42.700 Now I'm using an actual Super Nintendo controller on this 00:12:42.700 --> 00:12:46.830 with original delay. The only lag that I'm getting here, 00:12:46.830 --> 00:12:51.751 is the lag that I'm getting from the display. Everything is instantaneous. 00:12:51.751 --> 00:12:56.010 - [Jono] If we had a 360 Hertz monitor would that be faster? 00:12:56.010 --> 00:12:59.490 - I mean, it all depends, it's not going to be running at 360 Hertz, 00:12:59.490 --> 00:13:04.180 but if monitor's delay is lower, then that would definitely help. 00:13:04.180 --> 00:13:08.770 This is an older monitor, so it's not the fastest thing in the world. 00:13:08.770 --> 00:13:12.960 It's totally fine. But yeah, the Super Nintendo controller totally works. 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:18.306 I wonder though, I have a Super Nintendo mouse, you want to set up some "Mario Paint"? 00:13:18.306 --> 00:13:23.263 (Anthony and Jono cheering) Oh yeah. But yeah, if I were to do a, 00:13:24.100 --> 00:13:27.593 L-T-T. 00:13:29.800 --> 00:13:33.610 I'm not using the official mouse pad. - [Jono] There's an official mousepad? 00:13:33.610 --> 00:13:37.200 - Oh yeah. - Oh. (Jono laughing) I didn't know. 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:40.963 - I feel like there's a little bit of delay actually, 00:13:43.390 --> 00:13:46.530 is it angle snapping or something? I feel like, maybe this is how it works 00:13:46.530 --> 00:13:49.673 in the original as well. It's been a hot minute, 00:13:51.680 --> 00:13:56.620 since I've done anything, but see that? When I click, it stops the movement. 00:13:56.620 --> 00:14:01.580 I don't remember that happening in the original cartridge. 00:14:01.580 --> 00:14:07.930 I think I'm done with Super Nintendo for now. First, I would like to try my SEGA Genesis controller, 00:14:07.930 --> 00:14:11.700 it's just a six button controller. Cable is very frayed, because as a kid, 00:14:11.700 --> 00:14:16.840 I didn't tie up cables like this. I just wrapped it around the controller like this, 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:22.250 as tightly as possible, which is actually bad for controllers. 00:14:22.250 --> 00:14:27.680 One thing to note, you cannot use a SNAC, on incompatible hardware. 00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:33.433 So I can't use a Genesis six button controller, at least not via a SNAC, to play Super Nintendo games. 00:14:34.443 --> 00:14:37.742 (speaking faintly) Yes. 00:14:37.742 --> 00:14:40.760 (indistinct) controller or anything like that, like an Xbox controller, 00:14:40.760 --> 00:14:45.500 you can pair that, and it'll be fine. It's kind of a bad version of "After Burner," 00:14:45.500 --> 00:14:48.860 if I'm being honest. - [Jono] It looks good. 00:14:48.860 --> 00:14:52.200 - It looks good, it's not as good as the arcade version though. 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:59.570 All right, well, there's another reason why, I have the Genesis version of "After Burner" on there. 00:14:59.570 --> 00:15:04.793 And the reason, is this. Analog joy, there it is, start. 00:15:07.488 --> 00:15:10.920 That's really gratifying. And this is what you can do with a SNAC. 00:15:10.920 --> 00:15:14.420 They have SNACs for the TurboGrafix 16, the NES, 00:15:14.420 --> 00:15:20.290 the SEGA Genesis, and the Super Nintendo. They basically work with every peripheral. 00:15:20.290 --> 00:15:26.350 I don't think that there's a peripheral that it wouldn't work with, because it's just passing the raw data through to the core. 00:15:26.350 --> 00:15:29.970 Now those cores, they are basically emulators, 00:15:29.970 --> 00:15:34.060 but they're running on the FPGA itself, so there's no delay. 00:15:34.060 --> 00:15:39.470 That's kind of the advantage you get, with the FPGA. Arcade, a whole bunch of arcade games. 00:15:39.470 --> 00:15:44.010 Computers, AcornAtom, a bunch that I haven't heard of, like the AliceMC10, 00:15:44.010 --> 00:15:48.470 Apple-1, Apple-2, Atari800, AtariSt, BBCMicro, 00:15:48.470 --> 00:15:52.150 Commodore64, Color Computer, 00:15:52.150 --> 00:15:55.900 a couple of others that I've never heard of, I think this might be Polish. 00:15:55.900 --> 00:16:00.200 And for consoles we got, all the Atari, 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.380 except for the Jaguar. Yeah, no Jaguar. 00:16:03.380 --> 00:16:08.230 GBA, ColecoVision, NES, WonderSwan. 00:16:08.230 --> 00:16:11.620 Yeah, so everything up to the 16 bit generation. 00:16:11.620 --> 00:16:15.290 And that's the MiSTer FPGA, MiSTer multi-system. 00:16:15.290 --> 00:16:18.860 The MiSTer multi-system, really brings the entire experience together. 00:16:18.860 --> 00:16:22.430 I think if I just had that FPGA sitting on my desk 00:16:22.430 --> 00:16:25.690 doing this, it would feel pretty rad, 00:16:25.690 --> 00:16:30.040 like, "Oh wow, I'm a hacker man." But at the same time, it's not something that I would want, 00:16:30.040 --> 00:16:34.450 sitting on my entertainment center. This is something that I could see myself wanting 00:16:34.450 --> 00:16:40.440 on my entertainment center. This is a very coherent, cohesive piece of kit. 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:43.490 And dare I say, it's nice. Is it worth it? 00:16:43.490 --> 00:16:47.290 If you're the kind of person who's like, "I don't care, I just want to play the games." 00:16:47.290 --> 00:16:51.440 Then probably not. The NES Mini, or even a Raspberry Pi with 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:57.480 emulation station on it, would probably be more than enough. For people who want the original experiences, 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:02.510 people who want to see what it was like to use these weird controllers, 00:17:02.510 --> 00:17:06.850 to see what it was like to see these games running on original monitors, 00:17:06.850 --> 00:17:10.510 or discover new things, that they never thought that they would 00:17:10.510 --> 00:17:13.890 be interested in before. Then I think it's a really great platform. 00:17:13.890 --> 00:17:17.620 Anyway, if you thought this was a rather nice "ShortCircuit," 00:17:17.620 --> 00:17:21.500 maybe you want to get subscribed, so you see others like this one. 00:17:21.500 --> 00:17:25.830 Maybe you want to check out, RetroTink, or the OSSC, 00:17:25.830 --> 00:17:28.283 if you want to do some more retro time. 00:17:29.950 --> 00:17:34.310 Or, you could not do that, and check out something else like, 00:17:34.310 --> 00:17:37.043 Alex does cars sometimes, it's weird.