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we just kicked off Spring cleaning at our studio which wouldn't normally be a

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video except we came across this a

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$15,000 server with two CPUs eight ssds

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and a whopping 6.3 terabytes of RAM when we got this

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from Intel 3 years ago we did a quick unboxing promising a deeper dive into

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some of its more exotic features and then promptly forgot about it well that

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RAM I showed you guys is is n RAM at all but optain persistent memory modules you

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might know that Intel's optain business was sadly shuttered in June of 2022

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which means the contacts who originally sent us this have sadly moved on we on

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the other hand haven't so all these

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years later I am finally going to do what I said I was going to do and finish

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building the rer piece I mean sorry I mean digging into what made optain so

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special and cool and what ultimately killed it just like I'm

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under $500 it's got four Bays for storage a 12th Gen 5 Core Intel

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processor 8 gigs of ddr5 memory that's expandable and more check it out at the

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before we go any further some of you probably need a refresher isn't Intel

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optain and SSD what's it doing in a RAM slot well optane was more of a family

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than an individual product ranging from inexpensive hard drive accelerators for

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pre-builts where the manufacturer was too cheap to install a real SSD to

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incredibly low latency not to mention expensive storage for the fastest

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servers in existence what all of these uses had in common though was they

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looked like conventional memory and storage devices but functioned somewhere

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in between and that's exactly what we're

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looking at here this appears to be a normal SSD but the 3D Cross Point chips

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inside it have just 100th the latency of

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regular Nan flash as for this guy well it looks like a stick of ddr4 memory but

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it's actually an Intel optain persistent memory series 100 module with a whopping

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512 gigs of storage on it and this

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server has 12 of them for a total of 6

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tabes that's enough to fit nearly 12 High bit rate Floatplane exclusives

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solely in system memory wait a second lus memory I thought you just said it

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was storage I did but the simplest way

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to take advantage of it is in memory mode where your optain modules just show

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up to your operating system as a whole whack load of RAM now the bad thing

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about this mode is that it forces optane to have one of the big downsides of RAM

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for security reasons every time an

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optain module in memory mode gets restarted it generates a new

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cryptographic key effectively wiping all of the data that it contained the good

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news is that optane can handle many more

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wipes than regular ssds so this is

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unlikely to harm it and what's also cool is that no special coding is needed to

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immediately use memory mode and the CPU's memory controller will even

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automatically move colder data off of

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the memory onto the optain and vice versa let me show you how this would

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work in a demanding professional application right now you're looking at

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solid works flow simulator but we aren't simulating anything at the moment

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because first we need to generate a mesh which is essentially a 3D Space full of

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data sampling points where some fluid

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let's say air is going to interact with some object say this heat sink it's not

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using that much RAM though what 45 gigs 48 gigs that's a lot of RAM okay it's a

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lot of RAM but it's 2% of what we have the issue is that it just takes hours

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for the CPU to process a large enough mesh like this for it to fill up all of

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that RAM let alone the optain that's in there and this is a really silly way of

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doing this so what you're saying is flow

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doesn't need that much RAM obtaine is pointless no no no Flo Sim does need

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heaps and heaps of RAM just a model like

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this doesn't necessarily if we were trying to run something that's super

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complex like crashing a car into a barrier having terabytes of memory could

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be the difference between a finishing in a day and a finishing in a week of

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course though this isn't memory its latency is several times higher which

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would obviously impact performance the question is though how much to find out

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we came up with a rather terrible idea

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why don't we just remove a bunch of the actual RAM so that the system has no

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choice but to use the obtaine and then we can do a before and

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after it's not going to do anything is it

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nope oh jeez there goes the alarm wait

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maybe there's no way no sadly Intel

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thought of that and requires each stick of obtain pm to be paired with a stick

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of RAM in order for the system to function at all and they have a

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recommended ratio of 4 to1 optained to

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RAM for Optimal Performance ours however

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it's more like a 16 to1 ratio and the server came straight from Intel

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so what do we do with the rest of it as

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it turns out many customers simply used

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higher ratios but there are some other ways to take advantage of the persistent

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part of our persistent memory app direct

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mode and storage mode which Alex is

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showing us now yes app direct mode exposes the optain directly to the

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application which can use it like storage RAM or somewhere in between

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unfortunately we aren't able to show this off because doing so would require

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us to code our own program that explicitly takes advantage of it and

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this is a task that almost no company's worth billions of dollars found to be

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worthwhile so doing it for a YouTube video would have a dubious Roi to say

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the least what we can show you is storage mode have you ever wondered what

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would happen if you could plug your SSD into a high-speed memory slot well

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basically this storage mode presents the obtained tier operating system much like

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an SSD just with super low latency compared to traditional Mand flash

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setting this bit up though was what caused this project to be stalled for

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months because we just couldn't figure out how to do it not because Alex is

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dumb or because I'm dumb but rather because the BIOS on this Intel

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motherboard is so poorly organized now okay okay sorry this is going to be a

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bit of a tangent but motherboard manufactures can you please figure your

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shiz out I mean we have this industrywide problem where every single

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motherboard maker calls the exact same setting something ever so slightly

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different and then puts it in a different place meaning even if you are

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there's a solid chance you won't be able to find it we were easily able to figure

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out how to use app direct mode on Dell

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super micro Lenovo and HP server boards since they had decent documentation but

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no not the Intel one we even called up Patrick from serve the home who

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literally wrote the guide on how to do this and he couldn't figure it out

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either okay look at this Lis I'm going to go back to the main

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menu we're looking for the memory controller spot where do you think that

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is well I would go to Advanced and then

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I would probably go to memory configuration so this is why we needed

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Emily to help us find it yes it is under PCI configuration um option ROM

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controller and that's where the memory controller is of course I can't believe

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we didn't think of that Anyway by using

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storage mode we're able to select how much of the optain we want to be

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presented as an SSD and we can create volumes with it much like with a raid

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array with the maximum performance occurring when you interleave across

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multiple optained dims that are operating on the same CPU which

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essentially creates a raid zero array on opan now as you might have guessed this

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does come with the risk of data loss so if you don't care as much about

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performance you might want to mirror the data across both CPUs or I don't know

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maybe just buy an SSD but all of that aside the coolest

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configuration is mixed mode this allows you to set a target for how much of your

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optain will be storage and how much will be RAM creating a Best of Both Worlds

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situation where the BIOS handles all of the complex bits and you get both cheap

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RAM and super low latency storage all

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right what's your memory percentage goal what do you mean goal it's doesn't

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really do exact it just kind of gets close to the percentage that you want I

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think we all know the answer to that nice so we

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reboot need sorry seemed

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mad okay all right no you don't seem mad

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you seem rightfully like we need to discuss

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this come on come on create name space here we go there we go how about now

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there we go I love how surprised it is it's making a

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YouTube thumbnail face speaking of which we're working on a really cool video now

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that YouTube has AB testing for thumbnails Maria is creating a like

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cringe YouTuber face version of every thumbnail for a little bit and then just

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like a nice relaxed one and then we're going to make a video about which ones

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people actually prefer whatever they say they prefer it could change our

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thumbnail practices there we go all right okay what we're looking at right

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now is our G Drive which is a conventional nbme SSD and our o Drive

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which is our optain drive and this measure is seconds per transfer which is

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essentially the latency of each operation on the drive now what we're

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going to do is we're going to run Crystal disc mark on both of these

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drives at the same time and

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theoretically yes yep the regular NVMe

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is way more which is bad o is opan opan

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which makes sense because it barely even appears that's how low the latency of

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this is which doesn't matter for everything and in fact if we have a look

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at our Crystal dis Mark results it's not that fast in terms of

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sequential transfer speeds it's just that it's really really responsive wow

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here we go this is what we expect to see

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all three tests are running right now

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there we go yes and our SATA is much

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higher in terms of latency not to mention that it can be very inconsistent

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see that initial Spike when we first hit it that's a yikes and while NVMe is a

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lot better it doesn't have that super

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super flat line when all of them are running the same test that we see with

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optane where the latency is negligible which which can be a huge benefit for

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certain applications and not terribly

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important for others which is cool in

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some cases really cool so then why does

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optain no longer exist the answer is many many reasons

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the first and biggest problem is that optin arrived 2 years late it was

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supposed to come with Skylake in 2017

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with speeds that matched the ddr4 2666

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that would be paired with those processors but obtaine didn't arrive

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until Cascade Lake which used 2933 megat

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transfer per second dims that meant that by choosing optain you would be giving

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up memory bandwidth to every application

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that doesn't need the extra capacity that is not ideal also in 2017 there was

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a global drram shortage as phones like the Samsung Galaxy S6 Google pixel and

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HTC1 M9 started using ddr4 while Samsung

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and Micron were struggling to ramp up production 16 gigs of RAM hit prices of

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over $200 that would have been a perfect

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opportunity for an almost RAM product at a lower price except that by 2019 that

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same 16 gigs of RAM was down to more like a hundo also remember how we

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mentioned that each stick of obtained PM requires a stick of RAM to pair with it

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in order for it to work well yeah so companies that were looking

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into optain they weren't just comparing the price of opan versus RAM they had to

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look at the cost of an optain module and

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a stick of RAM compared to just getting two sticks of RAM that uh oh by the way

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are going to run faster Tom's Hardware has an article from 2019 about the

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pricing quoting a single stick of this

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512 gig optain at a cool

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$675 meaning that this server that we

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casually lost when it was new had

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$81,000 worth of optane in it that

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sounds like a lot because it is but in

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2019 a single stick of 128 gigs of ECC

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memory was roughly $4500 meaning optain was only about

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onethird of the price so wait hold on a second that was in 2019 that still

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sounds pretty good I mean the demo we just did looked pretty good optained for

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the win right well I do love your

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optimism remember guys we spoiled the ending earlier and everyone dies but it

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doesn't have to be a total loss there's maybe a valuable lesson here for the

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industry to maybe learn this time Intel

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if you're listening and everyone you need to stop locking your products

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because I didn't buy enough of your

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products the Cascade Lake CPUs that did

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eventually sh with obtaine had two variants a standard version and a large

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memory footprint version in the case of the Zeon plattinum 8260 that we've got

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in this server The Standard Version supported only 1 tab of RAM a number

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that's pretty easy to hit with regular old Dam meaning that if you wanted to

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really take advantage of optane you needed the zeeon Platinum 8260 L well I

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mean that's no problem right I mean how much more could it

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$3,400 oh yeah and since you're buying two of them it's an extra

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$6800 before you buy a single flipping

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optane module can see why they used L as

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the suffix for those adding insult to

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injury you know what also happened between 2017 and 2019 while Intel was

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struggling to get optane out of the door AMD launched epic Rome and then epic

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Milan featuring more cores more memory

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channels support for four ttes of RAM

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without a silly large memory footprint tax oh and by the way they were also

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cheaper this added up to not a whole lot

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of people buying optane and Micron who owned the Fab where all the optane was

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being built finally said you know what enough is enough it was and still is a

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very cool technology but in 2021 Micron figured you know it be a lot cooler how

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about not losing 400 million ion dollar a year so one year later Intel killed

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optain which um raises one interesting

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question why can you still buy it well

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about that even though there hasn't been a Fab making the stuff for years now in

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20122 Intel revealed that they still had over half a billion dollars of inventory

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left over and they haven't exactly been pushing it that hard I mean what is this

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pricing Intel do you want this on your books forever

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there are some awesome closeout deals out there these 16 gig accelerators are

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amazing there are go-to drives for a DIY

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Network Appliance or a NZ because they're literally five bucks and opan

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features substantially more right endurance than nand which is great if

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you want to constantly retain and overwrite comprehensive system logs and

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this one on new egg is still among if not the best drive on the market even if

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it is starting to show its age in some ways for example it'll have outstanding

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latency like we talked about before but it runs at a quarter the maximum speed

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of a modern Gen 5 Drive which is a bit of a yikes so in

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conclusion Intel do you want this thing back we uh honestly really don't know

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