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there is a bill there is only a bill and

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it's coming to ban your teens from social

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media on Capital

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Hill that's right it's to link we're back with another episode about the

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Florida social media ban this is not another episode we've never done it

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before but Jacob is here to tell you all

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about it hi and and I'll tell you about it too we both will what has happened uh

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well Ronda just signed a law uh he's the

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Florida governor he's the Florida governor that's important to know he's Florida Governor he's also he's also uh

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very red in both in both literally and

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metaphorically he gets a lot of sun he he he seems to he he he's a passionate

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man okay and what's and you can see it in his face

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but uh you know okay we need to we need to actually like okay so anyway the

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point is so he passed this he passed this bill that's being called one of the

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US's most restrictive social media bands for minors uh and when it takes effect

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which I believe is uh January 1st next year uh it will children under 14 will

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not be those just be banned from having social media accounts yeah literally

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just can't can't do it oh you're or you're or 13 and a half banned we're

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back to we're back to the early days of social media when you had to be I think

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over 13 you had well you had to lie I remember when I created my Facebook

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account I lied you either had to be over 13 or be morally unscrupulous ins

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scrupulous actually I think my mom lied for me like Jake you want me to you want me

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to create a create a Facebook account if you're gonna this is the joke you made

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earlier today if you're GNA like tweets I'd prefer you do it at home if you're

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going to post to Facebook I'd rather you did it at home mom if you don't let me

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do it here I'm just going to go to the bar and swipe on Tik Tok you're just

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going to go to the cyber cafe and they're going to they're going to get

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unlicensed internet

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yeah so this is this is pretty wild uh I

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I remember hearing that uh Florida was

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was working on this and I know that a number of other states have tried to do

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similar social media bands where where miners are prevented from uh creating

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accounts and using these platforms and it's worth noting as well just before

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keep your keep your thought but the 14 and 15y olds require parental permission

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right to create social media accounts it also affects them yeah so once you're 16

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you know destroy your body melt your brain you can drive and

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also go on Facebook without mom's permission yeah and you know we joke

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about it but like there have been many

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many many many studies done and I feel like it's it's many done by Facebook

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themselves yeah it's basically an uncontroversial uh truth now that social

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media is not good for young kids or

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anyone really or yeah or there's an argument to be

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made for society yeah yeah and despite

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this I feel like you know obviously it's

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uh it is a charged issue like any other issue that uh requires uh people to make

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laws but um yeah but I think it's

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somewhat un uncontroversial at this point that social media is not good for

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for people in general um it it the

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debate is whether how we do what we do about that yes yes so let's let's get a

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few more details about this um it this bill has been passed through both houses

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of the Florida uh state government and has been signed by Governor Ron de santz

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meaning that as you said it is an actual law now law it just hasn't taken effect

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yet we're in the we're in the wa fun waiting period the bureaucracy right and

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in other states where they've tried similar bills uh they've encountered

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legal challenges from people who are saying you know oh this is that not

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constitutional or whatever so then Mark Zuckerberg as far as I'm

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aware uh you know we we said it was the

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most restrictive social media ban in the country as far as I'm aware other states

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haven't successfully gone all the way through in making uh such banss law

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although we should check that oh I was wrong other states have already banned

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uh social media for miners without parental consent so I believe that's why

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uh this bill is being called the most restrictive because because I believe AR

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Arkansas Ohio and Utah I think

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California has a ban as well although I don't know the details of theirs uh

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they've banned minors I think each of the states has different uh age limits

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but for people under a certain age those

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states have banned social media uh without parental consent which is very

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interesting so that already exists I didn't actually know that we're in

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Canada so we don't know uh our parents

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let us do anything we want as long as we say please and thank you

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and sorry especially once you're over 18

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and you move out uh now what's interesting about this and especially I

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believe a lot of the states that you mentioned is that they are red States M

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and these sorts of things well I guess you could make the argument because there's parental permission that it's

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still it's not necessarily infringing on parents rights though uh one issue that

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is normally championed by the Republican party is small government yes which this

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obviously is not though I will say about parental permission uh one person I had

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an issue with this Florida Bill uh in insal for was none other than uh signer

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of this bill Ronda santz yeah yeah who uh actually vetoed it initially because

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it initially was everyone uh 16 and

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under no no social media for you right

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and then he I guess he settled he was like all right I'll give it to you guys

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if you like make it parental permission for for 14 and 15 year- olds I did find

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that interesting I I one of the earlier articles I was reading about it was like

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mentioned that other people were opposing it but uh it is interesting to

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see that because I I believe this bill was not put forward by Ron descendant it

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it was put forward by the uh Republicans State Senate Republicans yeah yeah and

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so you know or I should say House Republicans because I know it was the

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top legislative priority according to the guardian for Republican state house

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Speaker Paul rener right right okay yeah

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so like we're going to try our best obviously to like not get too political

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uh with this discussion but obviously it is a political uh issue and as you said

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it's interesting at the very least uh to see that this is an issue where you know

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Republicans are at the front of of the

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issue trying to trying to Institute these banss while in other scenarios

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like say changes to school curriculum

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Republicans are for more parents rights in that scenario and in this scenario

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one of the things that the Dem have said against this bill is that oh you know it

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doesn't respect parents rights enough um so you know that's just interesting at

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least at least one cuz there are it's worth noting for for accuracy and for

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you know nonpartisanship some Democrats

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did join the majority of the Republican

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majority who supported this bill MH like

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there were there were Democrats who were like yeah I'm for it right but like you

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also have people like Anna eskamani she's the Democratic state house

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representative and she said in a news release that uh the alternative it would

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be better to ensure improved parental oversight tools improved access to data

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to stop at actors uh alongside major investments in Florida mental health

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systems and programs I I do think that's an interesting point yeah just because

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those are those seem like more General supports mhm and so it wouldn't be

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so the bill wouldn't be so one-sided and

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it seems weirdly weirdly surgical because there's probably o like I mean

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there's there's there's per there's areas of Gray from what I understand

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from the law what they're looking at specifically are like they they they

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don't necessarily name any specific platforms but they name ones that have

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like infinite scrolling uh liking as

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like an ability these sorts of things so there are like like with any law there

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are things that maybe are similar to what they are trying to get rid of that

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aren't necessarily covered under the law so having something like to play you

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know I guess Devil's Advocate depending on

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where you land uh this suggestion of

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just generally supporting parental oversight tools on all platforms and

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supporting mental health to treat sort of things that are like social media

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addiction make some logical sense with

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any of these bills there's going to be particularities that are brought up

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because we haven't brought we haven't read the bill M so like even if you are

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broadly for the idea that uh you know children under a certain age shouldn't

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be allowed to create accounts and use social media you might have an issue

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with the way that these bills are presented and like some of the language in them and that's a that a lot of the

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opposition to certain bills in the process of government often comes down

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to like okay the bill is about this but

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they also have this little section that's like saying that they're going to do this and I'm against that so then you

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have to oppose the bill broadly and that's you know that's why things take

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so long in case you were wondering why nothing ever gets done uh it's because

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you know there's so many safeguards in place if you want something else then

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you might have to you know try to get that uh I don't know Communist

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Revolution going if that's what you're into you alluded to something earlier

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that I think is important to remember when you're when you know we're talking

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about all these like Tik Tock bands and social media bands and whatnot uh

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spoilers yeah spoilers we are going to talk about the Tik Tok band as well in a few minutes um it's that these bands are

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targeting the features of the platform

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themselves the kind of addictive qualities the the constant notifications

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you get the algorithmic uh like tendency to push

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certain types of content over other types of content it's not the content

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itself that's the problem it's the way that the platforms are are dealing with

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it that ends up being just like that are

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you know enticing you to spend more and more time on the platforms you know at

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at the risk of sounding uh like an Oldman when I was young well there you

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go you already did it when I when I was in when I was in high school you know we

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had MSN chat or whatever Facebook really started once I was in second year

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university or first year and uh I remember asking some Honeys for their

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MSN Messenger that was a big deal when I

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worked up the courage to do that see I was too busy talking to the to the

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chatbot there's there was a chat bot they had chat they had a chat bot on MSN

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and could go and talk to them I mean it was talk to it it was uh very very very

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simple and you could kind of exhaust all the possibilities of conversation with

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it in like a few minutes but it was like anyway it was actually really

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interesting it was before llms and all that obviously but regardless I didn't I

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didn't have to deal with this like toxic sludge grow yeah uh and and there is

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like and I can't imagine how what it's doing I can see why people don't want

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their kids on social media especially cuz like you know the one the one

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argument for why kids should be on social media is because their friends

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are on social media and that's not a good argument for everything parents have been dismissing that argument for

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years with Bridge based arguments yeah it's a bridge based arguments are the

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core of yeah jumping off bridge arguments that's a really good point you

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stomachs this this bill as we've as we've said is far from uh being actually

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enacted uh they're probably they're definitely going to face legal

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challenges both from you know uh groups

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that oppose them uh oppose the idea just on like

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political merits and they're also going

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to be definitely opposed by the social media companies because you can make a

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law as much as you want the people that make money you can make you can make a law

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you can make regulations as much as you want but then it's going to be up to the

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companies that you're regulating to enact those regulations we're seeing this with the EU and their attempts to

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Wrangle Apple and Google and and

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Microsoft they're apparently being really easy on doing some of the greatest bureaucratic work of our

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time yeah kind of there are some missteps but that's not what this video

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is about again we're not in Europe and Europeans probably have their own

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thoughts about uh this legislation and all that but regardless you know to use

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the U as an example they say okay you're going to you have to allow third party

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app stores Apple and Apple's like okay this is how we're going to do it let us

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know weeks P com weeks P the EU finally

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says hey that's not okay and then Apple says oh okay here we'll come up with

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something else weeks pass here's our new law you know now I'm going into the

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future this hasn't happened yet but um it's going to be a process and in the

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meantime how many CH kids brains will be melted and slurped into as as by Mark

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Zuckerberg yes to fuel his reptilian

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regime and body to give him the fuel to BJJ Elon Musk another thing to consider

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about this you know the Fallout is uh how related companies I mean I don't

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know if if uh praw Hub I think has how

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you can say they have the best freaking Seafood without the without the

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algorithms catching you uh you know are

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they a social media site is you YouTube I think technically is a social media

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site there is a lot of interesting things that are post on porn prawn Hub

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that are not prawn based they may be shrimp or crawfish based that's true but

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regardless I mean you could view that as a form of social media yeah people are

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in the comments saying things that they would also say in YouTube comments I

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know I've read our YouTube comments actually that's a great point will

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YouTube will these kids be allowed to go on YouTube oh YouTube has a whole kids

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app no that's that's gone now you sure I'm pretty pretty sure I'm

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pretty sure they got rid of YouTube kids you can go ahead and check that out

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but they definitely do have like infinite scrolling and liking

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and um all of that so YouTube could be

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one of those forms of social media that kids are not allowed on which YouTube's

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definitely going to have a problem with because that's big business YouTube uh

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child entertainment on YouTube is massive look at CoCo melon as just one

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as the most well-known example and that's just one oh I mean don't even get

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me started on crappy kids content but yeah apparently YouTube kids I think is

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still a thing okay um which I know because I went to use it and you have a

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YouTube kid I have a a YouTube kid he's

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got his own channel we're going to support him uh get him sponsor brand

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deals welome to my Channel today we talk

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about dinosaurs this this

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demetron anyways pra hub uh said they're

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prepared to block Florida if uh the

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child safety law takes effect because

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um they're going to require IDs and I think that a big part of like that's

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sort of the example of this of this sort of legislation is that there's like even

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California they introduced laws to try and make like IDs like try and ID users

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mhm to prevent them from going and looking at adult sites like like PornHub

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right and that's actually you know as well a fair criticism of this type of

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law is that okay your kids are going

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online and now you're requiring them to

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give social media companies even more

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sensitive data about them in the form of like your government ID yeah so you know

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that's that's one Fair objection or freaking biometric data which is

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something that was it's not been put into effect but it was something that was suggested by believe the United

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Kingdom because that's something that they're looking into in terms of uh is

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is is solutions to preventing uh

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children from you know accessing right uh let's say red band Red Band content

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right yes so porn pornub is incentivized

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to you know stop this law from being enacted because a lot of their users

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don't want to have to put in IDs and and whatnot uh but at the same time I don't

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want to be ided just to watch all of my math

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tutorials

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Math Master there is a dude on there who just does calculus like tutorials does

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he call it math turbation no the other

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argument that PornHub gives though is the fact that like okay you're going to

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stop people from going on our site but like you're regulating like we're going

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to abide by this because we're a big company and you know we're visible

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there's a mil we can lose the penis of the United States sure but there's no I

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mean they're just more visible but they they're

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they're tons and tons and and tons of

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more uh websites out there that are less regulated and less visible that are

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still going to host porn and then you're just going to push kids and whoever more

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towards these sketchier and sketchier sites that's their argument I you know I

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I'm not going to give a take on this right now because then we're just going to get into the weeds yeah um but we're

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going to uh people make similar arguments about

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like really OB able opinions and whether you should be able to share those on

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social media moderation yep the I mean this is

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such a deep conversation but the thing that I definitely wanted to mention

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while we're here is the Tik Tock uh you

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know it's being it's being widely called the Tik Tock ban bill which is a federal

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uh Federal legislation Tik Tok baned Bill we want Bill

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back bring him back Tik Tok it's being called the band bill but it's not a ban

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bill it's kind of like a if you don't do this then you'll get banned and the

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thing that they have to do is it's an offer you can't refuse Bill yes yeah

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they're they're trying to legislate uh that a platform as large

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and influential uh in American society as and foreign operated as Tik Tok has

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to be owned by an American company so

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the deal is bite dance the owner of Tik Tok has to sell Tik Tok uh divest itself

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of it in order for Tik Tok to remain operating in the US mhm and without

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VPN I don't I I really don't know where I personally sit on this but one thing

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that we do know is bite dance doesn't want to sell well China doesn't want B

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to sell it's both well I mean yeah you know who wants who wants to who wants to

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get rid of a literal pile of money yeah no one no one's you know

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you're right America I'm going to take this giant pile of money and I'm going

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to set it on fire Joker Style well that's the so this is the whole question

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it really comes down to because the ostensibly the reason why the US

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government wants to ban Tik Tock is because of this whole thing that China

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has with certain well with all companies

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technically I think I'm not sure whether it's a threshold thing but uh companies

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have to give the Chinese government data

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when the Chinese government comes knocking MH and and the US knowing about

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this uh law MH is suddenly now I mean

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years ago they've done things they they banned it from from uh work phones for

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government officials but the reason the reason they're doing all that is because

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now they're treating basically every Chinese company as if it's the CCP yeah

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and and I mean that remains to be seen whether that's kind of because we don't

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know not without not without reason because there were reports that came out

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that that bite dance employees were able

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to access the location of

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journalists yes using using Tik Tok I think that unquestionably well but the

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the question is are they giving that data to the

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government yeah it's one like obviously social media companies are tracking our

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every thought you know but the question

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is are is bite dance and you know other

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big companies that Chinese companies that have been the bad guy in the tech

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world world for you know a spell Huawei

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uh are they are they actually guilty of just like straight feeding data from

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users to the Chinese government and I don't think you're crazy if you think

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that that's the case I think that that's it's reasonable to think that if you're

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dealing with a Chinese company that the CCP is going to is could easily get

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their hands on that data if they don't already however I also don't know how

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much we should act as if when we're dealing with Tik Tok like

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the CCP owns all these companies because they don't own them yeah but they have

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incredible influence on them but like even if they're not giving location to the CCP another

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question that I would I would raise because of the point I raised it CU I double checked it and I looked at

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sources now is do you do you want to

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trust a company that even if they're not giving your location to China their

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employees can improperly access datah

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mhm on the location of journalists and andar apparently they've done things to

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make that better they they did like move their servers so they're they're they

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have local they they store North American users data in North American

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servers yeah and I believe that elsewhere data is stored in Singapore I

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mean they're located in Singapore I think European D users data is stored on

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on a European server

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but you know I don't know it's there's so many unknowns the other argument of

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course is is why is America just doing

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this for the for the CH for the one Chinese social media platform what about

00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:10.559
all the American ones the the the the real time location of all those 14year

00:23:09.320 --> 00:23:16.600
olds is the property of the US government yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean

00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:21.760
right and so is that a double standard this is kind of why when it comes to

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like Chinese phones I have like I don't

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know how to feel because on the one hand you have your you know North American

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phones or whatever or like non-chinese phones

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uh that is almost certainly giving data

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to these big social media companies who may or may not give it to the government

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if they ask on the other hand you have

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these Chinese phones who are like let's say for the sake of argument

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they're certainly giving it to the CCP support americanmade spyware which one's

00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:58.520
but like which one's better it's almost like I would rather have my data being

00:23:54.919 --> 00:24:01.039
harvested by someone who barely like an

00:23:58.520 --> 00:24:05.080
entity that barely affects my life the CCP maybe through like broad economic

00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:10.799
trends like it gets around to me but like if they know you know my

00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:16.200
preferences and and where I work it's like do I care more about that or do I

00:24:13.320 --> 00:24:20.360
care about like a local company or or a local government agency that is going to

00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:26.480
exert more power over my life directly do I care about them having it it's like

00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:29.279
I don't know I don't know well we live

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in a world where if I'm not mistaken a few years ago

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there was a a lovely young woman uh who

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was I believe the student body president

00:24:38.080 --> 00:24:45.360
in of the University of Toronto and she just happened to be from Tibet and uh

00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:48.880
when she was elected or when she made a certain post uh wouldn't you know she

00:24:47.320 --> 00:24:57.240
was bombarded with negative sentiments from

00:24:52.840 --> 00:24:59.279
uh Chinese speaking people M and one of

00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:07.039
the things that came up was whether or not that was uh foreign action like like

00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:10.840
these are these are possibly uh foreign

00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:12.600
agents trying to fight the you know uh

00:25:10.840 --> 00:25:18.720
how what's the best what's the how's the most diplomatic way for me to say this

00:25:16.080 --> 00:25:23.520
uh that Tibet exists to fight to fight that whether

00:25:21.520 --> 00:25:27.080
Tibet is its own thing or whether it belongs to a lot of people in the world

00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:31.720
that may be a controversial statement yeah it is it is for a lot of people in the world so so like that was something

00:25:30.159 --> 00:25:38.279
that straight up affected Canadians right and so on the

00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:42.840
other hand you might say that like China having your preferences

00:25:41.120 --> 00:25:46.080
is is is the entity that's going to least affect you on a daily basis but on

00:25:44.679 --> 00:25:51.679
the other hand it might be the one that most affects you on a daily basis because they literally they they they

00:25:48.840 --> 00:25:55.520
may or may not have agents that are just they their whole job is to like just

00:25:53.440 --> 00:26:00.480
hurt people on social media yeah well I mean so like you kind of bring up an

00:25:57.679 --> 00:26:08.919
important question because it's like you could view Tik Tok as a foreign

00:26:06.159 --> 00:26:13.360
agent if you're making this connection between them and the CCP and then it's

00:26:11.360 --> 00:26:19.360
like okay say for the sake of argument that there's a connection there we have

00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:24.159
already like as it regards this bill

00:26:19.360 --> 00:26:27.600
there has been China influenced action

00:26:24.159 --> 00:26:30.200
on American citizens so like they once

00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:36.080
news of this bill came out Tik Tok made a push not they they pushed a

00:26:33.399 --> 00:26:40.200
notification to Tik Tok users saying hey this bill is being passed through

00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:43.520
Congress if it if they pass it no Tik Tok for you Tik Tok could be could be

00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:47.720
banned this they're saying that it's not a ban but like trust us it's a ban and

00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:51.919
then all the people who depend on Tik Tok for their businesses and who like

00:26:50.600 --> 00:26:58.840
for them it's like a way of life it's like or just like dancing sure they they

00:26:55.679 --> 00:27:01.360
called they they were told by Tik Tok to

00:26:58.840 --> 00:27:07.159
call the representatives and they did on mass phone lines were flooded uh threats

00:27:04.840 --> 00:27:11.679
were made uh well I mean that's just that's just what happens yeah yeah so

00:27:09.120 --> 00:27:18.840
like you have you have a foreign owned company telling its American user base

00:27:14.919 --> 00:27:21.240
which is huge to go and enact some thing

00:27:18.840 --> 00:27:25.440
do some take some action that affects the US government and it happens that's

00:27:23.360 --> 00:27:29.600
a little scary it is a little scary I mean I feel like I calling but to do

00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:34.000
something similar and they I don't know if they

00:27:32.080 --> 00:27:38.320
succeeded or failed but does that does do what is what is China doing that that

00:27:36.080 --> 00:27:42.039
we that the US is is failing at that they can they can get this loyal

00:27:39.679 --> 00:27:46.360
following and and get get young people actually interested in politics well I

00:27:44.320 --> 00:27:50.960
it apparently the thing that Tik Tok is doing well is their algorithm yes so

00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:55.679
what like it's it's widely regarded as the best recommendation algorithm in the

00:27:53.519 --> 00:28:02.760
industry and a big reason why it works so fast it's so fast and it's so

00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:04.000
like good at serving people exactly what

00:28:02.760 --> 00:28:09.360
they want to see and what will be interesting to them and so like you said

00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:14.480
earlier China doesn't want to sell bite dance doesn't want to sell uh and the

00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:21.200
reason China is like definitely like they are invested in not selling is

00:28:17.320 --> 00:28:23.519
because in order to sell uh Tik Tok to

00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:29.559
an American owner or whatever they would have to Grant an technology export

00:28:25.679 --> 00:28:31.320
license for the Tik Tok algorithm M uh

00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:35.360
which you know in their mind is like this is like a Chinese asset this is

00:28:33.159 --> 00:28:39.399
like a this is like Innovation that happened here and now we're going to

00:28:37.399 --> 00:28:42.360
like give it to someone else yeah they don't want to do that obviously it would

00:28:40.840 --> 00:28:48.240
be like it would be like Oppenheimer like granting an export license on on

00:28:44.760 --> 00:28:50.399
the nuke to Russia it would be exactly

00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:53.840
like that I haven't seen the movie but I'm

00:28:51.679 --> 00:28:58.360
assuming he didn't Grant it they got it anyway they they did Via Espionage yeah

00:28:56.320 --> 00:29:05.600
but we've been trying we can't build our own nuke AKA uh good algorithms um so so

00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:10.799
yeah apparently the bill the Tik Tok ban bill quote unquote is stalled in the

00:29:07.840 --> 00:29:15.640
Senate right now because the house passed it like crazy con the federal

00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:19.559
Congress they they it was a landslide and now it's got to the Senate and now

00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:23.200
people are kind of like waking up and realizing wait a second this is a bit

00:29:21.080 --> 00:29:27.080
more complicated uh this is a tech company they're regulated by a a

00:29:25.679 --> 00:29:31.440
buttload of different government committees and and agencies and so

00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:35.840
that's going to be complicated and that brings up an interesting point on why

00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:39.399
why this you know Bill might be stalled is you know is this is this the right

00:29:37.360 --> 00:29:44.240
way to go about this because not only was this bill happening but now it's

00:29:41.399 --> 00:29:47.440
come out that apparently uh the FTC could sue them now if you don't know

00:29:45.760 --> 00:29:51.360
what the Federal Trade Commission is you might know their their their little

00:29:49.080 --> 00:29:55.559
known failure where they didn't stop Microsoft from acquiring Activision

00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:59.559
Blizzard they're still trying even though they're doing their d

00:29:58.399 --> 00:30:06.120
everyone else is acting like it's already happened yeah well it did already happen what they're trying to do

00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:08.799
now is make them divest right good luck

00:30:06.120 --> 00:30:14.559
reverse Uno reverse card ChaCha Slide reverse reverse yeah but now it's come

00:30:11.919 --> 00:30:20.000
out at least according to a few sources that we've seen one from Politico that

00:30:16.840 --> 00:30:21.799
uh they are investigating Tik Tok over

00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:28.399
uh faulty privacy and data security practices and they they could they could

00:30:25.360 --> 00:30:30.840
uh Sue uh not just Tik Tok but maybe

00:30:28.399 --> 00:30:34.279
also bite dance cuz they're weighing a quote from the source political Source

00:30:32.919 --> 00:30:38.559
uh they're weighing allegations that Tik Tok and it's Beijing based parent

00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:42.320
company bite dance de deceived its users by denying that individuals in China had

00:30:40.399 --> 00:30:48.480
access to their data and also violated the children's Privacy Law so even if

00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:49.519
the the Tik Tok ban bill doesn't go all

00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:54.159
the way through they're still going to be in trouble in one way or another I

00:30:51.960 --> 00:31:00.480
it's hard to see how this is going to end with Tik Tok just kind

00:30:56.919 --> 00:31:02.399
of chilling just like nothing changes

00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:05.840
cuz like the government clearly wants something to something something's got

00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:10.919
to give they want they want their pound of Flesh yeah so we'll have to see I

00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:14.919
mean there there's so many questions about whether government even has

00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:21.440
whether this is actually the proper role of government to to like try and

00:31:18.639 --> 00:31:24.840
regulate platforms uh in the way that it's trying to do like obviously state

00:31:23.760 --> 00:31:30.240
governments are doing their own thing and the the federal government is is has

00:31:27.360 --> 00:31:35.279
National security is uh issues at those are at play here but you know I don't

00:31:32.679 --> 00:31:39.799
know it comes down to how you whether you believe that you have a fundamental

00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:44.200
constitutional right to to swipe up and down all day and whether your kids do

00:31:42.159 --> 00:31:49.760
too and occasionally swipe left and swipe right so that's all from us uh it

00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:53.200
was a little uh Meandering today but there's a lot of topics that we kind of

00:31:51.320 --> 00:31:56.240
wanted to cover it's it's there a lot questions to ask let us know in the

00:31:54.760 --> 00:32:01.840
comments what you think about the social media banss and whether you think talk

00:31:58.320 --> 00:32:03.399
is going to uh cause climate change and

00:32:01.840 --> 00:32:08.000
uh yeah maybe we'll see in the next one and then also tell us what is your

00:32:05.120 --> 00:32:12.440
favorite animal for a little bit little bit of positivity just tell us what your

00:32:09.840 --> 00:32:16.320
favorite animal is and then tell us why we're wrong on everything why is it the

00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:19.120
red panda even though there's like 12200 left of them the wild I don't know I

00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:23.000
don't know why you chose the one like one of the two Chinese animals like

00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:26.919
they're going to think we're I love the red panda they're going to think we're

00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:30.440
like we're like false Flags now we've been bought by China watch three body

00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:36.000
problem and then you'll won't think the CCP is so

00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.519
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