there is a bill there is only a bill and
it's coming to ban your teens from social
media on Capital
Hill that's right it's to link we're back with another episode about the
Florida social media ban this is not another episode we've never done it
before but Jacob is here to tell you all
about it hi and and I'll tell you about it too we both will what has happened uh
well Ronda just signed a law uh he's the
Florida governor he's the Florida governor that's important to know he's Florida Governor he's also he's also uh
very red in both in both literally and
metaphorically he gets a lot of sun he he he seems to he he he's a passionate
man okay and what's and you can see it in his face
but uh you know okay we need to we need to actually like okay so anyway the
point is so he passed this he passed this bill that's being called one of the
US's most restrictive social media bands for minors uh and when it takes effect
which I believe is uh January 1st next year uh it will children under 14 will
not be those just be banned from having social media accounts yeah literally
just can't can't do it oh you're or you're or 13 and a half banned we're
back to we're back to the early days of social media when you had to be I think
over 13 you had well you had to lie I remember when I created my Facebook
account I lied you either had to be over 13 or be morally unscrupulous ins
scrupulous actually I think my mom lied for me like Jake you want me to you want me
to create a create a Facebook account if you're gonna this is the joke you made
earlier today if you're GNA like tweets I'd prefer you do it at home if you're
going to post to Facebook I'd rather you did it at home mom if you don't let me
do it here I'm just going to go to the bar and swipe on Tik Tok you're just
going to go to the cyber cafe and they're going to they're going to get
unlicensed internet
yeah so this is this is pretty wild uh I
I remember hearing that uh Florida was
was working on this and I know that a number of other states have tried to do
similar social media bands where where miners are prevented from uh creating
accounts and using these platforms and it's worth noting as well just before
keep your keep your thought but the 14 and 15y olds require parental permission
right to create social media accounts it also affects them yeah so once you're 16
you know destroy your body melt your brain you can drive and
also go on Facebook without mom's permission yeah and you know we joke
about it but like there have been many
many many many studies done and I feel like it's it's many done by Facebook
themselves yeah it's basically an uncontroversial uh truth now that social
media is not good for young kids or
anyone really or yeah or there's an argument to be
made for society yeah yeah and despite
this I feel like you know obviously it's
uh it is a charged issue like any other issue that uh requires uh people to make
laws but um yeah but I think it's
somewhat un uncontroversial at this point that social media is not good for
for people in general um it it the
debate is whether how we do what we do about that yes yes so let's let's get a
few more details about this um it this bill has been passed through both houses
of the Florida uh state government and has been signed by Governor Ron de santz
meaning that as you said it is an actual law now law it just hasn't taken effect
yet we're in the we're in the wa fun waiting period the bureaucracy right and
in other states where they've tried similar bills uh they've encountered
legal challenges from people who are saying you know oh this is that not
constitutional or whatever so then Mark Zuckerberg as far as I'm
aware uh you know we we said it was the
most restrictive social media ban in the country as far as I'm aware other states
haven't successfully gone all the way through in making uh such banss law
although we should check that oh I was wrong other states have already banned
uh social media for miners without parental consent so I believe that's why
uh this bill is being called the most restrictive because because I believe AR
Arkansas Ohio and Utah I think
California has a ban as well although I don't know the details of theirs uh
they've banned minors I think each of the states has different uh age limits
but for people under a certain age those
states have banned social media uh without parental consent which is very
interesting so that already exists I didn't actually know that we're in
Canada so we don't know uh our parents
let us do anything we want as long as we say please and thank you
and sorry especially once you're over 18
and you move out uh now what's interesting about this and especially I
believe a lot of the states that you mentioned is that they are red States M
and these sorts of things well I guess you could make the argument because there's parental permission that it's
still it's not necessarily infringing on parents rights though uh one issue that
is normally championed by the Republican party is small government yes which this
obviously is not though I will say about parental permission uh one person I had
an issue with this Florida Bill uh in insal for was none other than uh signer
of this bill Ronda santz yeah yeah who uh actually vetoed it initially because
it initially was everyone uh 16 and
under no no social media for you right
and then he I guess he settled he was like all right I'll give it to you guys
if you like make it parental permission for for 14 and 15 year- olds I did find
that interesting I I one of the earlier articles I was reading about it was like
mentioned that other people were opposing it but uh it is interesting to
see that because I I believe this bill was not put forward by Ron descendant it
it was put forward by the uh Republicans State Senate Republicans yeah yeah and
so you know or I should say House Republicans because I know it was the
top legislative priority according to the guardian for Republican state house
Speaker Paul rener right right okay yeah
so like we're going to try our best obviously to like not get too political
uh with this discussion but obviously it is a political uh issue and as you said
it's interesting at the very least uh to see that this is an issue where you know
Republicans are at the front of of the
issue trying to trying to Institute these banss while in other scenarios
like say changes to school curriculum
Republicans are for more parents rights in that scenario and in this scenario
one of the things that the Dem have said against this bill is that oh you know it
doesn't respect parents rights enough um so you know that's just interesting at
least at least one cuz there are it's worth noting for for accuracy and for
you know nonpartisanship some Democrats
did join the majority of the Republican
majority who supported this bill MH like
there were there were Democrats who were like yeah I'm for it right but like you
also have people like Anna eskamani she's the Democratic state house
representative and she said in a news release that uh the alternative it would
be better to ensure improved parental oversight tools improved access to data
to stop at actors uh alongside major investments in Florida mental health
systems and programs I I do think that's an interesting point yeah just because
those are those seem like more General supports mhm and so it wouldn't be
so the bill wouldn't be so one-sided and
it seems weirdly weirdly surgical because there's probably o like I mean
there's there's there's per there's areas of Gray from what I understand
from the law what they're looking at specifically are like they they they
don't necessarily name any specific platforms but they name ones that have
like infinite scrolling uh liking as
like an ability these sorts of things so there are like like with any law there
are things that maybe are similar to what they are trying to get rid of that
aren't necessarily covered under the law so having something like to play you
know I guess Devil's Advocate depending on
where you land uh this suggestion of
just generally supporting parental oversight tools on all platforms and
supporting mental health to treat sort of things that are like social media
addiction make some logical sense with
any of these bills there's going to be particularities that are brought up
because we haven't brought we haven't read the bill M so like even if you are
broadly for the idea that uh you know children under a certain age shouldn't
be allowed to create accounts and use social media you might have an issue
with the way that these bills are presented and like some of the language in them and that's a that a lot of the
opposition to certain bills in the process of government often comes down
to like okay the bill is about this but
they also have this little section that's like saying that they're going to do this and I'm against that so then you
have to oppose the bill broadly and that's you know that's why things take
so long in case you were wondering why nothing ever gets done uh it's because
you know there's so many safeguards in place if you want something else then
you might have to you know try to get that uh I don't know Communist
Revolution going if that's what you're into you alluded to something earlier
that I think is important to remember when you're when you know we're talking
about all these like Tik Tock bands and social media bands and whatnot uh
spoilers yeah spoilers we are going to talk about the Tik Tok band as well in a few minutes um it's that these bands are
targeting the features of the platform
themselves the kind of addictive qualities the the constant notifications
you get the algorithmic uh like tendency to push
certain types of content over other types of content it's not the content
itself that's the problem it's the way that the platforms are are dealing with
it that ends up being just like that are
you know enticing you to spend more and more time on the platforms you know at
at the risk of sounding uh like an Oldman when I was young well there you
go you already did it when I when I was in when I was in high school you know we
had MSN chat or whatever Facebook really started once I was in second year
university or first year and uh I remember asking some Honeys for their
MSN Messenger that was a big deal when I
worked up the courage to do that see I was too busy talking to the to the
chatbot there's there was a chat bot they had chat they had a chat bot on MSN
and could go and talk to them I mean it was talk to it it was uh very very very
simple and you could kind of exhaust all the possibilities of conversation with
it in like a few minutes but it was like anyway it was actually really
interesting it was before llms and all that obviously but regardless I didn't I
didn't have to deal with this like toxic sludge grow yeah uh and and there is
like and I can't imagine how what it's doing I can see why people don't want
their kids on social media especially cuz like you know the one the one
argument for why kids should be on social media is because their friends
are on social media and that's not a good argument for everything parents have been dismissing that argument for
years with Bridge based arguments yeah it's a bridge based arguments are the
core of yeah jumping off bridge arguments that's a really good point you
just made Jacob but I'll tell you what's an even better point is the fact that
this video is sponsored by Moose end hey that's right we have sponsors on talk L
did you forget with Moen you can create utterly beautiful and effective email
campaigns using customizable templates segmentation tools and personalized
Dynamic elements it could not get any better than that Riley and after you've
launched your campaign calculate your next steps with their Advanced
Analytical tools what are you waiting for get a move on and follow the link
below to try moose and free for 30 days and save 10% and of four
stomachs this this bill as we've as we've said is far from uh being actually
enacted uh they're probably they're definitely going to face legal
challenges both from you know uh groups
that oppose them uh oppose the idea just on like
political merits and they're also going
to be definitely opposed by the social media companies because you can make a
law as much as you want the people that make money you can make you can make a law
you can make regulations as much as you want but then it's going to be up to the
companies that you're regulating to enact those regulations we're seeing this with the EU and their attempts to
Wrangle Apple and Google and and
Microsoft they're apparently being really easy on doing some of the greatest bureaucratic work of our
time yeah kind of there are some missteps but that's not what this video
is about again we're not in Europe and Europeans probably have their own
thoughts about uh this legislation and all that but regardless you know to use
the U as an example they say okay you're going to you have to allow third party
app stores Apple and Apple's like okay this is how we're going to do it let us
know weeks P com weeks P the EU finally
says hey that's not okay and then Apple says oh okay here we'll come up with
something else weeks pass here's our new law you know now I'm going into the
future this hasn't happened yet but um it's going to be a process and in the
meantime how many CH kids brains will be melted and slurped into as as by Mark
Zuckerberg yes to fuel his reptilian
regime and body to give him the fuel to BJJ Elon Musk another thing to consider
about this you know the Fallout is uh how related companies I mean I don't
know if if uh praw Hub I think has how
you can say they have the best freaking Seafood without the without the
algorithms catching you uh you know are
they a social media site is you YouTube I think technically is a social media
site there is a lot of interesting things that are post on porn prawn Hub
that are not prawn based they may be shrimp or crawfish based that's true but
regardless I mean you could view that as a form of social media yeah people are
in the comments saying things that they would also say in YouTube comments I
know I've read our YouTube comments actually that's a great point will
YouTube will these kids be allowed to go on YouTube oh YouTube has a whole kids
app no that's that's gone now you sure I'm pretty pretty sure I'm
pretty sure they got rid of YouTube kids you can go ahead and check that out
but they definitely do have like infinite scrolling and liking
and um all of that so YouTube could be
one of those forms of social media that kids are not allowed on which YouTube's
definitely going to have a problem with because that's big business YouTube uh
child entertainment on YouTube is massive look at CoCo melon as just one
as the most well-known example and that's just one oh I mean don't even get
me started on crappy kids content but yeah apparently YouTube kids I think is
still a thing okay um which I know because I went to use it and you have a
YouTube kid I have a a YouTube kid he's
got his own channel we're going to support him uh get him sponsor brand
deals welome to my Channel today we talk
about dinosaurs this this
demetron anyways pra hub uh said they're
prepared to block Florida if uh the
child safety law takes effect because
um they're going to require IDs and I think that a big part of like that's
sort of the example of this of this sort of legislation is that there's like even
California they introduced laws to try and make like IDs like try and ID users
mhm to prevent them from going and looking at adult sites like like PornHub
right and that's actually you know as well a fair criticism of this type of
law is that okay your kids are going
online and now you're requiring them to
give social media companies even more
sensitive data about them in the form of like your government ID yeah so you know
that's that's one Fair objection or freaking biometric data which is
something that was it's not been put into effect but it was something that was suggested by believe the United
Kingdom because that's something that they're looking into in terms of uh is
is is solutions to preventing uh
children from you know accessing right uh let's say red band Red Band content
right yes so porn pornub is incentivized
to you know stop this law from being enacted because a lot of their users
don't want to have to put in IDs and and whatnot uh but at the same time I don't
want to be ided just to watch all of my math
tutorials
Math Master there is a dude on there who just does calculus like tutorials does
he call it math turbation no the other
argument that PornHub gives though is the fact that like okay you're going to
stop people from going on our site but like you're regulating like we're going
to abide by this because we're a big company and you know we're visible
there's a mil we can lose the penis of the United States sure but there's no I
mean they're just more visible but they they're
they're tons and tons and and tons of
more uh websites out there that are less regulated and less visible that are
still going to host porn and then you're just going to push kids and whoever more
towards these sketchier and sketchier sites that's their argument I you know I
I'm not going to give a take on this right now because then we're just going to get into the weeds yeah um but we're
going to uh people make similar arguments about
like really OB able opinions and whether you should be able to share those on
social media moderation yep the I mean this is
such a deep conversation but the thing that I definitely wanted to mention
while we're here is the Tik Tock uh you
know it's being it's being widely called the Tik Tock ban bill which is a federal
uh Federal legislation Tik Tok baned Bill we want Bill
back bring him back Tik Tok it's being called the band bill but it's not a ban
bill it's kind of like a if you don't do this then you'll get banned and the
thing that they have to do is it's an offer you can't refuse Bill yes yeah
they're they're trying to legislate uh that a platform as large
and influential uh in American society as and foreign operated as Tik Tok has
to be owned by an American company so
the deal is bite dance the owner of Tik Tok has to sell Tik Tok uh divest itself
of it in order for Tik Tok to remain operating in the US mhm and without
VPN I don't I I really don't know where I personally sit on this but one thing
that we do know is bite dance doesn't want to sell well China doesn't want B
to sell it's both well I mean yeah you know who wants who wants to who wants to
get rid of a literal pile of money yeah no one no one's you know
you're right America I'm going to take this giant pile of money and I'm going
to set it on fire Joker Style well that's the so this is the whole question
it really comes down to because the ostensibly the reason why the US
government wants to ban Tik Tock is because of this whole thing that China
has with certain well with all companies
technically I think I'm not sure whether it's a threshold thing but uh companies
have to give the Chinese government data
when the Chinese government comes knocking MH and and the US knowing about
this uh law MH is suddenly now I mean
years ago they've done things they they banned it from from uh work phones for
government officials but the reason the reason they're doing all that is because
now they're treating basically every Chinese company as if it's the CCP yeah
and and I mean that remains to be seen whether that's kind of because we don't
know not without not without reason because there were reports that came out
that that bite dance employees were able
to access the location of
journalists yes using using Tik Tok I think that unquestionably well but the
the question is are they giving that data to the
government yeah it's one like obviously social media companies are tracking our
every thought you know but the question
is are is bite dance and you know other
big companies that Chinese companies that have been the bad guy in the tech
world world for you know a spell Huawei
uh are they are they actually guilty of just like straight feeding data from
users to the Chinese government and I don't think you're crazy if you think
that that's the case I think that that's it's reasonable to think that if you're
dealing with a Chinese company that the CCP is going to is could easily get
their hands on that data if they don't already however I also don't know how
much we should act as if when we're dealing with Tik Tok like
the CCP owns all these companies because they don't own them yeah but they have
incredible influence on them but like even if they're not giving location to the CCP another
question that I would I would raise because of the point I raised it CU I double checked it and I looked at
sources now is do you do you want to
trust a company that even if they're not giving your location to China their
employees can improperly access datah
mhm on the location of journalists and andar apparently they've done things to
make that better they they did like move their servers so they're they're they
have local they they store North American users data in North American
servers yeah and I believe that elsewhere data is stored in Singapore I
mean they're located in Singapore I think European D users data is stored on
on a European server
but you know I don't know it's there's so many unknowns the other argument of
course is is why is America just doing
this for the for the CH for the one Chinese social media platform what about
all the American ones the the the the real time location of all those 14year
olds is the property of the US government yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean
right and so is that a double standard this is kind of why when it comes to
like Chinese phones I have like I don't
know how to feel because on the one hand you have your you know North American
phones or whatever or like non-chinese phones
uh that is almost certainly giving data
to these big social media companies who may or may not give it to the government
if they ask on the other hand you have
these Chinese phones who are like let's say for the sake of argument
they're certainly giving it to the CCP support americanmade spyware which one's
but like which one's better it's almost like I would rather have my data being
harvested by someone who barely like an
entity that barely affects my life the CCP maybe through like broad economic
trends like it gets around to me but like if they know you know my
preferences and and where I work it's like do I care more about that or do I
care about like a local company or or a local government agency that is going to
exert more power over my life directly do I care about them having it it's like
I don't know I don't know well we live
in a world where if I'm not mistaken a few years ago
there was a a lovely young woman uh who
was I believe the student body president
in of the University of Toronto and she just happened to be from Tibet and uh
when she was elected or when she made a certain post uh wouldn't you know she
was bombarded with negative sentiments from
uh Chinese speaking people M and one of
the things that came up was whether or not that was uh foreign action like like
these are these are possibly uh foreign
agents trying to fight the you know uh
how what's the best what's the how's the most diplomatic way for me to say this
uh that Tibet exists to fight to fight that whether
Tibet is its own thing or whether it belongs to a lot of people in the world
that may be a controversial statement yeah it is it is for a lot of people in the world so so like that was something
that straight up affected Canadians right and so on the
other hand you might say that like China having your preferences
is is is the entity that's going to least affect you on a daily basis but on
the other hand it might be the one that most affects you on a daily basis because they literally they they they
may or may not have agents that are just they their whole job is to like just
hurt people on social media yeah well I mean so like you kind of bring up an
important question because it's like you could view Tik Tok as a foreign
agent if you're making this connection between them and the CCP and then it's
like okay say for the sake of argument that there's a connection there we have
already like as it regards this bill
there has been China influenced action
on American citizens so like they once
news of this bill came out Tik Tok made a push not they they pushed a
notification to Tik Tok users saying hey this bill is being passed through
Congress if it if they pass it no Tik Tok for you Tik Tok could be could be
banned this they're saying that it's not a ban but like trust us it's a ban and
then all the people who depend on Tik Tok for their businesses and who like
for them it's like a way of life it's like or just like dancing sure they they
called they they were told by Tik Tok to
call the representatives and they did on mass phone lines were flooded uh threats
were made uh well I mean that's just that's just what happens yeah yeah so
like you have you have a foreign owned company telling its American user base
which is huge to go and enact some thing
do some take some action that affects the US government and it happens that's
a little scary it is a little scary I mean I feel like I calling but to do
something similar and they I don't know if they
succeeded or failed but does that does do what is what is China doing that that
we that the US is is failing at that they can they can get this loyal
following and and get get young people actually interested in politics well I
it apparently the thing that Tik Tok is doing well is their algorithm yes so
what like it's it's widely regarded as the best recommendation algorithm in the
industry and a big reason why it works so fast it's so fast and it's so
like good at serving people exactly what
they want to see and what will be interesting to them and so like you said
earlier China doesn't want to sell bite dance doesn't want to sell uh and the
reason China is like definitely like they are invested in not selling is
because in order to sell uh Tik Tok to
an American owner or whatever they would have to Grant an technology export
license for the Tik Tok algorithm M uh
which you know in their mind is like this is like a Chinese asset this is
like a this is like Innovation that happened here and now we're going to
like give it to someone else yeah they don't want to do that obviously it would
be like it would be like Oppenheimer like granting an export license on on
the nuke to Russia it would be exactly
like that I haven't seen the movie but I'm
assuming he didn't Grant it they got it anyway they they did Via Espionage yeah
but we've been trying we can't build our own nuke AKA uh good algorithms um so so
yeah apparently the bill the Tik Tok ban bill quote unquote is stalled in the
Senate right now because the house passed it like crazy con the federal
Congress they they it was a landslide and now it's got to the Senate and now
people are kind of like waking up and realizing wait a second this is a bit
more complicated uh this is a tech company they're regulated by a a
buttload of different government committees and and agencies and so
that's going to be complicated and that brings up an interesting point on why
why this you know Bill might be stalled is you know is this is this the right
way to go about this because not only was this bill happening but now it's
come out that apparently uh the FTC could sue them now if you don't know
what the Federal Trade Commission is you might know their their their little
known failure where they didn't stop Microsoft from acquiring Activision
Blizzard they're still trying even though they're doing their d
everyone else is acting like it's already happened yeah well it did already happen what they're trying to do
now is make them divest right good luck
reverse Uno reverse card ChaCha Slide reverse reverse yeah but now it's come
out at least according to a few sources that we've seen one from Politico that
uh they are investigating Tik Tok over
uh faulty privacy and data security practices and they they could they could
uh Sue uh not just Tik Tok but maybe
also bite dance cuz they're weighing a quote from the source political Source
uh they're weighing allegations that Tik Tok and it's Beijing based parent
company bite dance de deceived its users by denying that individuals in China had
access to their data and also violated the children's Privacy Law so even if
the the Tik Tok ban bill doesn't go all
the way through they're still going to be in trouble in one way or another I
it's hard to see how this is going to end with Tik Tok just kind
of chilling just like nothing changes
cuz like the government clearly wants something to something something's got
to give they want they want their pound of Flesh yeah so we'll have to see I
mean there there's so many questions about whether government even has
whether this is actually the proper role of government to to like try and
regulate platforms uh in the way that it's trying to do like obviously state
governments are doing their own thing and the the federal government is is has
National security is uh issues at those are at play here but you know I don't
know it comes down to how you whether you believe that you have a fundamental
constitutional right to to swipe up and down all day and whether your kids do
too and occasionally swipe left and swipe right so that's all from us uh it
was a little uh Meandering today but there's a lot of topics that we kind of
wanted to cover it's it's there a lot questions to ask let us know in the
comments what you think about the social media banss and whether you think talk
is going to uh cause climate change and
uh yeah maybe we'll see in the next one and then also tell us what is your
favorite animal for a little bit little bit of positivity just tell us what your
favorite animal is and then tell us why we're wrong on everything why is it the
red panda even though there's like 12200 left of them the wild I don't know I
don't know why you chose the one like one of the two Chinese animals like
they're going to think we're I love the red panda they're going to think we're
like we're like false Flags now we've been bought by China watch three body
problem and then you'll won't think the CCP is so
great okay uh subscribe to TechLink see
you later bye I love you too oh okay there