WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:06.480 can't get your hands on a fantastic playstation 5 like this one have no fear 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:11.360 AMD's got you covered with the almost playstation 5. that's right my friends 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:17.119 in this brown nondescript box is the exact same silicon that's in your 00:00:13.840 --> 00:00:18.880 favorite game console but now bigger 00:00:17.119 --> 00:00:24.000 uglier and a pc allowing us to answer once and for 00:00:21.520 --> 00:00:29.279 all the question of what would happen if we installed Windows on a game console 00:00:27.439 --> 00:00:34.239 oh geez no sure she'll explode you need that will explode yup i'm intrigued just 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:38.800 like i'm intrigued by our sponsor thanks to monday.com for sponsoring this video 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:42.640 monday.com's work os is a powerful platform to run all your work and create 00:00:41.040 --> 00:00:46.000 any workflow they recently launched their work docs feature 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really answer the 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:43.320 question of what exactly it is we're getting here let's crack this thing open 00:01:38.880 --> 00:01:45.840 even more i am extremely 00:01:43.320 --> 00:01:50.640 curious about this puppy that one hole 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:55.680 is rather enlarged it's aluminum but i don't think it's high grade 00:01:52.880 --> 00:01:59.759 the more pure the aluminum is the more malleable it'll be you want an alloy 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:03.920 okay i mean overall the case doesn't seem like super hot garbage this is a 00:02:01.759 --> 00:02:07.920 john's bow case right or at least oh i assumed that because i saw that this is 00:02:05.759 --> 00:02:11.120 a john's bow oh wait no it's a hunt keypad where did i see john's boat so i 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:17.040 saw john's bow somewhere it's got a john's bow fan in it so that's a looks 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:19.040 like 92 millimeter exhaust fan at the 00:02:17.040 --> 00:02:22.720 back of the case and your intake is going to be handled by drawing fresh air 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:26.319 in from the side panel the other more different side panel and the top panel 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:30.640 of course the big thing i want to have a look at is this power supply because 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:34.720 while i've actually heard of hunt key it's never in a positive context i'm 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:39.040 actually kind of surprised at how much this thing weighs huh for how cheap i'm 00:02:37.040 --> 00:02:42.959 expecting it to be but that doesn't mean that i'm going to plug it in if you look 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:47.680 carefully you'll notice that this is not a 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:54.720 dual mode power supply there's no switch and does not support a 110 volt 60 hertz 00:02:52.239 --> 00:02:59.599 input what that means is that if we plugged this thing in best case scenario 00:02:57.040 --> 00:03:03.440 would do nothing worst case scenario it could burn the place down our best guess 00:03:01.519 --> 00:03:07.120 is they went with a 200 to 240 volt input to avoid paying for active power 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:11.440 factor correction circuitry inside the power supply which doesn't inherently 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:14.959 mean that it is a bad unworthy power supply but when a manufacturer is 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:19.440 cheaping out on what has been considered a basic feature for the last 20 years it 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:23.519 ain't a good look it's also really dangerous because while this label is 00:03:21.760 --> 00:03:28.400 pretty clear that you should only plug in 220 volt 50 hertz power in the event 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:32.400 that it accidentally gets peeled off which could happen there is nothing 00:03:30.480 --> 00:03:36.640 preventing you from just lighting your house on fire or the fact it's just 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:41.680 inside of the case from the factory oh wait what oh that's right you would have 00:03:39.519 --> 00:03:45.599 no way of knowing when it's already installed in here yeah i didn't even 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:50.400 think of that part to be clear we're not blaming AMD for this it's not their 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:54.000 fault that the system integrator who designed this system decided to cheap 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:57.360 out in that way it just is a thing you should probably know as i continue 00:03:55.680 --> 00:04:00.720 disassembling this thing i'm struck by how many different kinds of screws are 00:03:58.799 --> 00:04:04.000 in it not unlike an fu we wanted to make this thing hard to reassemble sort of 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:07.680 way but in a it really just seems like we use whatever kinds of screws we found 00:04:05.920 --> 00:04:09.040 on the floor of the shop kind of way 00:04:09.040 --> 00:04:14.400 it doesn't even have a native eight pin connector like look at the gauge of this 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:17.919 wiring compared to the adapter that they used because they probably just couldn't 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:23.360 find an adapter that had such thin gauge crappy wiring now this is weird i was 00:04:20.400 --> 00:04:29.840 not expecting a graphics card in the system looks like this is an rx 550 2gig 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:33.680 cheapo aluminum cooler on it no obvious markings to indicate who the oem is for 00:04:32.080 --> 00:04:39.919 it because the thing is the chip in the playstation 5 is more of an apu that's 00:04:36.479 --> 00:04:41.919 to say it has both a CPU and a GPU baked 00:04:39.919 --> 00:04:46.479 onto the same piece of silicon so i'm starting to have my doubts that what's 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:51.919 under this cooler is even a playstation 5 processor oh my god are these 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:55.440 standoffs just like glued into the case now i normally wouldn't lean quite so 00:04:53.520 --> 00:05:00.320 heavily into a cheap computer for having a cheap power supply in a cheap case but 00:04:57.440 --> 00:05:05.440 this system wasn't that cheap whoa look at the size of that back plate that 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:08.560 is nothing like a standard AMD back plate 00:05:06.400 --> 00:05:12.960 huh so here's where we're getting into the part that AMD actually makes so 00:05:11.280 --> 00:05:17.759 we've got an AMD logo still screened onto this board and it looks like the 00:05:14.880 --> 00:05:22.880 whole thing is meant to be sold as one integrated unit there is no 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:27.199 socket it's soldered right to the main board and this is also really 00:05:24.960 --> 00:05:31.520 interesting there's an Intel stock cooler style cooler on this uh have you 00:05:29.520 --> 00:05:35.440 noticed that there's like no RAM yet oh that makes sense because it would be 00:05:33.280 --> 00:05:41.440 just baked into the soc oh my god it only has a pci express by 8 00:05:38.960 --> 00:05:47.520 slot down here so it's a 16x physical slot but it's only actually wired up for 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:53.360 eight lanes no m.2 which is weird because the playstation 5 has m.2 but 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:56.240 then the playstation 5 doesn't have a 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:59.759 pci express slot this is super weird you want to know something else that's very 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:02.400 unfortunate about that pci express slot it's gen 2. 00:06:02.400 --> 00:06:09.440 there's any doubt that this cooler is custom we can put that to rest wait what 00:06:07.520 --> 00:06:13.919 there's four more screws for just the back plate i don't know whether my 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:17.199 expectations are higher or lower after seeing how jank this is 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:23.840 oh this may be the single weirdest 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:27.600 motherboard that i have ever held you know what's funny i was looking at the 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:31.199 layout of these traces around the board i was like this is so weird it kind of 00:06:29.520 --> 00:06:36.800 looks like they all just go out in a circle and come back because they do 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:39.199 this thing is trippy but is it actually 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:44.000 a playstation 5 chip only one way to find out oh well that trace layout looks 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:48.639 really familiar it could not be more similar yeah that's 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:52.880 uh wow i mean you don't have to have a degree in electronics engineering to 00:06:51.039 --> 00:06:57.120 figure out that these are probably architected somewhat similarly 00:06:55.120 --> 00:07:01.280 yep wow you know i've never actually been close up with a playstation board 00:06:59.280 --> 00:07:06.800 yet so i guess these are the nand packages there's your add-in m.2 slot 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:10.560 this is for the water cooled playstation 5 project right yeah i guess you could 00:07:08.960 --> 00:07:14.400 probably say was for the water cooled playstation 5 project at this point oh 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:18.880 interesting a bunch of the caps on the back are missing let's see what the markings on the dice say you ready 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:22.560 brandon big reveal no dye markings yeah i'm pretty sure 00:07:20.960 --> 00:07:26.800 they just sanded the dye markings right off of it does the regular playstation 5 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:29.199 have die markings there's no markings on the die enough marveling at its 00:07:28.080 --> 00:07:33.360 weirdness though let's throw this thing back together and see how she flies okay 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:38.479 moment of truth hey it's got an RGB fan in it nice john's bow do you hear how 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:44.479 loud that fan is oh wow we went straight to BIOS because 00:07:41.919 --> 00:07:49.520 i forgot to plug in the SATA cable 4700s eight core processor desktop kit so this 00:07:46.400 --> 00:07:52.000 is gonna be zen two based not zen three 00:07:49.520 --> 00:07:55.360 like the latest 5000 series ryzens there's like nothing else in here that's 00:07:54.080 --> 00:07:59.280 configurable in any way that has anything to do with that so oh my god 00:07:57.520 --> 00:08:05.840 it's at 87 degrees did i not put it back on right there isn't even any UEFI 00:08:02.400 --> 00:08:08.479 non-UEFI like boot mode nothing yeah and 00:08:05.840 --> 00:08:12.639 did you see the uh RAM stats that they had there 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:16.080 16 gigs oh not bad that's the same amount as the playstation 5 right well 00:08:14.400 --> 00:08:20.720 but normally you would have stuff like ddr4 3200 megahertz like what speed it 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:26.639 runs at but no no because this is going to be GDDR or whatever like gddr6 right 00:08:23.840 --> 00:08:31.199 yeah oh interesting what the heck is CPU gonna say about this thing 00:08:28.479 --> 00:08:34.640 don't spoil it alex sorry everything about this thing is just so 00:08:32.800 --> 00:08:38.880 weird even the way that they adapt this cooler with just a couple of punched out 00:08:36.719 --> 00:08:42.959 steel mounting plates like it's very almost diy when you're applying thermal 00:08:40.959 --> 00:08:46.320 compound to a bare dye you have to be a lot more careful to cover the whole 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:50.959 thing because you don't want any hot spots when there's a spreader over top 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:54.720 of it it's not that big of a deal but oh no 00:08:52.160 --> 00:09:01.120 that thermal compound this isn't even the good tasting one 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:01.120 hey alex how do you gallop into the BIOS 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:10.720 you missed it it's a bit of a drag that doesn't support an m.2 boot drive oh 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:15.120 wait whoa hi how you doing is this the pre-installed Windows image uh yes oh 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:19.680 okay we're up here it is ladies and gentlemen this is a gaming machine for 00:09:17.040 --> 00:09:25.120 gamers okay CPU AMD 4700s eight core processor desktop 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:28.720 kit i don't think there's any way to buy this thing standalone that's why we 00:09:26.560 --> 00:09:33.120 ended up with this weird janky system it was just the cheapest one we could find 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:39.360 memory 16 gigs and that's it 00:09:34.560 --> 00:09:42.959 wow that's weird it has an on-board usb 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:46.000 3 to Ethernet bridge what 00:09:42.959 --> 00:09:48.880 i'm just i i want to check that sony's 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:53.519 using a completely separate outboard Ethernet controller chip no idea how 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.800 it's connected to the rest of the chipset so obviously they had to find a 00:09:55.440 --> 00:10:02.800 different solution for this board and they went with a usb to Ethernet bridge 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:04.800 weird oh hey whoa hardware info pulls it 00:10:02.800 --> 00:10:10.000 up oh wait oh damn nope never mind that's the gddr5 on the GPU that is some 00:10:07.680 --> 00:10:16.160 uncanny valley stuff we got going on right there wow that fan is going boys 00:10:13.760 --> 00:10:19.760 it's going it's going get immersed Linus no it looks like 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:23.680 poopoo and i want to see something that's better looking let's go 00:10:24.160 --> 00:10:29.200 hello oh my god 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:34.000 i have to go turn off the power or something i don't care 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:37.440 okay you know what this is good enough at least we're not into seconds per 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:41.279 frame territory here but this is not a great experience 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:45.839 yeah this is a playstation 4 game it's not even a ps5 game do you want to just 00:10:43.839 --> 00:10:49.440 try it with a better GPU now can we at least turn down some settings or 00:10:47.040 --> 00:10:53.839 something oh well we're on ultimate quality why would it be at ultimate 00:10:51.839 --> 00:10:57.200 quality by default especially when it knows you don't have the minimum 00:10:55.200 --> 00:11:01.279 requirements let's see if that's any better 00:10:58.800 --> 00:11:04.720 yeah you might have like seven FPS now no i was like 10. 00:11:02.959 --> 00:11:08.240 this looks like a giant boatload of garbage though 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:14.240 whoa calm down geez now one potential problem will this 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:19.120 even fit do you have anything else 00:11:16.560 --> 00:11:23.600 2060 that's reasonable if it wasn't already apparent while this might be 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:28.320 exactly the same silicon it clearly doesn't have the same functionality as 00:11:25.839 --> 00:11:33.600 the soc or apu or whatever you want to call it that's built into the 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:35.600 playstation 5. there's no GPU and we can 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:39.120 already see that some of the i o choices that were made on this motherboard are 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:43.920 different from what sony did on the playstation 5's board my expectations 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:48.160 are honestly not super high though PCIe gen two by eight 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:50.880 by four by four i thought it's by eight supports 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:56.160 by four gen two signal 00:11:53.920 --> 00:12:00.320 the reason we have such a lack of pci express connectivity on that thing is 00:11:57.760 --> 00:12:04.240 because with the playstation 5 just like any modern CPU you've got a bunch of pci 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:07.839 express lanes that are built into the soc here but on the playstation 5 00:12:06.560 --> 00:12:12.160 they're used to connect with only a couple of things this i o hub slash 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:16.720 controller hub down here that also access the playstation 5's SSD as well 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:21.519 as right here to this m.2 storage expansion slot most of these lanes are 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:26.800 actually going to be wired up to the GPU that's built into this so if that's just 00:12:23.920 --> 00:12:30.399 not connected it's non-trivial to to to tap into those links you can't do that 00:12:28.959 --> 00:12:33.920 so we're stuck with whatever it had to communicate with a 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:38.720 chipset which this also needs and then whatever it had to communicate with an 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:42.000 SSD the question then becomes are we limited by this pci express 00:12:40.959 --> 00:12:50.320 bandwidth or could there be something else let's explore another idea by benchmarking our 00:12:45.920 --> 00:12:52.880 4700s against a regular old ryzen 5800x 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:59.839 starting with a memory read speed benchmark we've got around 59 000 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:03.200 megabytes a second okay and oh wow look 00:12:59.839 --> 00:13:04.720 at that 62 000 megabytes a second that's 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:10.079 a lot of memory bandwidth but what you got to understand is that GPU memory 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:15.440 that's the g in gddr6 is designed for raw bandwidth it's the 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:18.839 latencies where you might run into trouble 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:22.800 wowie 140 00:13:20.560 --> 00:13:27.360 nanoseconds i mean that's not a lot of time right these are nanoseconds we're 00:13:24.800 --> 00:13:34.880 talking about except that that is slower than a pentium d820 a CPU from 15 years 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:39.120 ago oh my god it's slower than basically everything i haven't looked at this rank 00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:43.600 that's hilarious yeah like this is this is higher latency than cpus that don't 00:13:41.760 --> 00:13:48.480 have an integrated memory controllers to put this in context our ryzen 5000 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:54.639 series over here is more like 60 nanoseconds that is gonna make a huge 00:13:52.560 --> 00:13:58.720 difference in regular desktop applications yeah you can even do just 00:13:56.560 --> 00:14:01.360 the open chrome test to see the difference 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:07.680 i just run center bench see what happens while we wait for this to finish let's 00:14:04.880 --> 00:14:11.839 talk about why AMD didn't just allow you to plug in regular old ddr4 to this 00:14:09.839 --> 00:14:15.920 thing because you can that's the thing about AMD's custom silicon division 00:14:13.920 --> 00:14:19.680 anything that sony or microsoft don't need on the chip it's not on there 00:14:17.839 --> 00:14:24.720 that's why you got to do this weird memory on the back thing just like on 00:14:21.760 --> 00:14:24.720 the playstation 5. 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:31.120 3600 points is that half it's over half 00:14:28.560 --> 00:14:37.279 but not by much this is 6 000 points all of which raises a very big question here 00:14:33.839 --> 00:14:40.399 why oh why does this product even exist 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:41.360 and the answer is because it already did 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:45.920 when you're manufacturing microprocessors the odds of getting it 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:51.120 right every single time is basically zero sure some of your chips are going 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:54.720 to have all of the CPU cores and GPU cores functioning and they're going to 00:14:52.560 --> 00:14:58.160 be within the power and thermal targets that you set and those are going to end 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:02.560 up in the playstation 5. but some of them are going to have runaway power 00:15:00.959 --> 00:15:07.680 consumption or they're going to have a GPU that doesn't work but the CPU still 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:11.920 works well now instead of taking those and essentially turning them into 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:19.040 e-waste AMD has repurposed them into these budget motherboard CPU RAM combo 00:15:16.079 --> 00:15:22.079 things and fundamentally i love this move taking something that would have 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:26.240 otherwise been wasted and turning it into something functional freaking 00:15:23.760 --> 00:15:32.560 awesome my main issue with this product is that from a value per dollar 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:34.800 perspective not great at 400 in china 00:15:32.560 --> 00:15:38.800 remember that's just for the board CPU and RAM you can get much much better 00:15:36.959 --> 00:15:43.120 performance for the dollar and at a thousand dollars here in north america 00:15:40.800 --> 00:15:48.560 it's absolutely out of the question ridiculously overpriced so 00:15:45.920 --> 00:15:52.399 good effort just like it's a good effort 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:56.959 segwaying to our sponsor monday.com they just launched their new 00:15:55.199 --> 00:16:01.040 work docs feature into beta where you and your team can connect collaborate 00:15:58.880 --> 00:16:04.720 and execute ideas and workflows all in one place their real-time engine allows 00:16:03.199 --> 00:16:08.720 hundreds of people to work together on a work dock without them overwriting each 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:13.839 other's work and since the text is made of blocks you can embed live objects so 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:17.040 work docs always stays relevant you can connect your work docs to your workflows 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:20.800 allowing your team to run all of their 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