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AMD's got you covered with the almost playstation 5. that's right my friends
in this brown nondescript box is the exact same silicon that's in your
favorite game console but now bigger
uglier and a pc allowing us to answer once and for
all the question of what would happen if we installed Windows on a game console
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right out of the gate this is a super weird product because the processor
inside this case is the AMD 4700s a product that is
readily available and listed on AMD.com
and yet there is absolutely no obvious
way to buy it now you can get your hands on them but especially if you're in
north america you're gonna have to go a little bit outside of your comfort zone
we did find a listing on newegg but at a thousand dollars it's extremely
overpriced so checking out sites like aliexpress or taobao is going to be a
better bet of course that doesn't really answer the
question of what exactly it is we're getting here let's crack this thing open
even more i am extremely
curious about this puppy that one hole
is rather enlarged it's aluminum but i don't think it's high grade
the more pure the aluminum is the more malleable it'll be you want an alloy
okay i mean overall the case doesn't seem like super hot garbage this is a
john's bow case right or at least oh i assumed that because i saw that this is
a john's bow oh wait no it's a hunt keypad where did i see john's boat so i
saw john's bow somewhere it's got a john's bow fan in it so that's a looks
like 92 millimeter exhaust fan at the
back of the case and your intake is going to be handled by drawing fresh air
in from the side panel the other more different side panel and the top panel
of course the big thing i want to have a look at is this power supply because
while i've actually heard of hunt key it's never in a positive context i'm
actually kind of surprised at how much this thing weighs huh for how cheap i'm
expecting it to be but that doesn't mean that i'm going to plug it in if you look
carefully you'll notice that this is not a
dual mode power supply there's no switch and does not support a 110 volt 60 hertz
input what that means is that if we plugged this thing in best case scenario
would do nothing worst case scenario it could burn the place down our best guess
is they went with a 200 to 240 volt input to avoid paying for active power
factor correction circuitry inside the power supply which doesn't inherently
mean that it is a bad unworthy power supply but when a manufacturer is
cheaping out on what has been considered a basic feature for the last 20 years it
ain't a good look it's also really dangerous because while this label is
pretty clear that you should only plug in 220 volt 50 hertz power in the event
that it accidentally gets peeled off which could happen there is nothing
preventing you from just lighting your house on fire or the fact it's just
inside of the case from the factory oh wait what oh that's right you would have
no way of knowing when it's already installed in here yeah i didn't even
think of that part to be clear we're not blaming AMD for this it's not their
fault that the system integrator who designed this system decided to cheap
out in that way it just is a thing you should probably know as i continue
disassembling this thing i'm struck by how many different kinds of screws are
in it not unlike an fu we wanted to make this thing hard to reassemble sort of
way but in a it really just seems like we use whatever kinds of screws we found
on the floor of the shop kind of way
it doesn't even have a native eight pin connector like look at the gauge of this
wiring compared to the adapter that they used because they probably just couldn't
find an adapter that had such thin gauge crappy wiring now this is weird i was
not expecting a graphics card in the system looks like this is an rx 550 2gig
cheapo aluminum cooler on it no obvious markings to indicate who the oem is for
it because the thing is the chip in the playstation 5 is more of an apu that's
to say it has both a CPU and a GPU baked
onto the same piece of silicon so i'm starting to have my doubts that what's
under this cooler is even a playstation 5 processor oh my god are these
standoffs just like glued into the case now i normally wouldn't lean quite so
heavily into a cheap computer for having a cheap power supply in a cheap case but
this system wasn't that cheap whoa look at the size of that back plate that
is nothing like a standard AMD back plate
huh so here's where we're getting into the part that AMD actually makes so
we've got an AMD logo still screened onto this board and it looks like the
whole thing is meant to be sold as one integrated unit there is no
socket it's soldered right to the main board and this is also really
interesting there's an Intel stock cooler style cooler on this uh have you
noticed that there's like no RAM yet oh that makes sense because it would be
just baked into the soc oh my god it only has a pci express by 8
slot down here so it's a 16x physical slot but it's only actually wired up for
eight lanes no m.2 which is weird because the playstation 5 has m.2 but
then the playstation 5 doesn't have a
pci express slot this is super weird you want to know something else that's very
unfortunate about that pci express slot it's gen 2.
there's any doubt that this cooler is custom we can put that to rest wait what
there's four more screws for just the back plate i don't know whether my
expectations are higher or lower after seeing how jank this is
oh this may be the single weirdest
motherboard that i have ever held you know what's funny i was looking at the
layout of these traces around the board i was like this is so weird it kind of
looks like they all just go out in a circle and come back because they do
this thing is trippy but is it actually
a playstation 5 chip only one way to find out oh well that trace layout looks
really familiar it could not be more similar yeah that's
uh wow i mean you don't have to have a degree in electronics engineering to
figure out that these are probably architected somewhat similarly
yep wow you know i've never actually been close up with a playstation board
yet so i guess these are the nand packages there's your add-in m.2 slot
this is for the water cooled playstation 5 project right yeah i guess you could
probably say was for the water cooled playstation 5 project at this point oh
interesting a bunch of the caps on the back are missing let's see what the markings on the dice say you ready
brandon big reveal no dye markings yeah i'm pretty sure
they just sanded the dye markings right off of it does the regular playstation 5
have die markings there's no markings on the die enough marveling at its
weirdness though let's throw this thing back together and see how she flies okay
moment of truth hey it's got an RGB fan in it nice john's bow do you hear how
loud that fan is oh wow we went straight to BIOS because
i forgot to plug in the SATA cable 4700s eight core processor desktop kit so this
is gonna be zen two based not zen three
like the latest 5000 series ryzens there's like nothing else in here that's
configurable in any way that has anything to do with that so oh my god
it's at 87 degrees did i not put it back on right there isn't even any UEFI
non-UEFI like boot mode nothing yeah and
did you see the uh RAM stats that they had there
16 gigs oh not bad that's the same amount as the playstation 5 right well
but normally you would have stuff like ddr4 3200 megahertz like what speed it
runs at but no no because this is going to be GDDR or whatever like gddr6 right
yeah oh interesting what the heck is CPU gonna say about this thing
don't spoil it alex sorry everything about this thing is just so
weird even the way that they adapt this cooler with just a couple of punched out
steel mounting plates like it's very almost diy when you're applying thermal
compound to a bare dye you have to be a lot more careful to cover the whole
thing because you don't want any hot spots when there's a spreader over top
of it it's not that big of a deal but oh no
that thermal compound this isn't even the good tasting one
hey alex how do you gallop into the BIOS
you missed it it's a bit of a drag that doesn't support an m.2 boot drive oh
wait whoa hi how you doing is this the pre-installed Windows image uh yes oh
okay we're up here it is ladies and gentlemen this is a gaming machine for
gamers okay CPU AMD 4700s eight core processor desktop
kit i don't think there's any way to buy this thing standalone that's why we
ended up with this weird janky system it was just the cheapest one we could find
memory 16 gigs and that's it
wow that's weird it has an on-board usb
3 to Ethernet bridge what
i'm just i i want to check that sony's
using a completely separate outboard Ethernet controller chip no idea how
it's connected to the rest of the chipset so obviously they had to find a
different solution for this board and they went with a usb to Ethernet bridge
weird oh hey whoa hardware info pulls it
up oh wait oh damn nope never mind that's the gddr5 on the GPU that is some
uncanny valley stuff we got going on right there wow that fan is going boys
it's going it's going get immersed Linus no it looks like
poopoo and i want to see something that's better looking let's go
hello oh my god
i have to go turn off the power or something i don't care
okay you know what this is good enough at least we're not into seconds per
frame territory here but this is not a great experience
yeah this is a playstation 4 game it's not even a ps5 game do you want to just
try it with a better GPU now can we at least turn down some settings or
something oh well we're on ultimate quality why would it be at ultimate
quality by default especially when it knows you don't have the minimum
requirements let's see if that's any better
yeah you might have like seven FPS now no i was like 10.
this looks like a giant boatload of garbage though
whoa calm down geez now one potential problem will this
even fit do you have anything else
2060 that's reasonable if it wasn't already apparent while this might be
exactly the same silicon it clearly doesn't have the same functionality as
the soc or apu or whatever you want to call it that's built into the
playstation 5. there's no GPU and we can
already see that some of the i o choices that were made on this motherboard are
different from what sony did on the playstation 5's board my expectations
are honestly not super high though PCIe gen two by eight
by four by four i thought it's by eight supports
by four gen two signal
the reason we have such a lack of pci express connectivity on that thing is
because with the playstation 5 just like any modern CPU you've got a bunch of pci
express lanes that are built into the soc here but on the playstation 5
they're used to connect with only a couple of things this i o hub slash
controller hub down here that also access the playstation 5's SSD as well
as right here to this m.2 storage expansion slot most of these lanes are
actually going to be wired up to the GPU that's built into this so if that's just
not connected it's non-trivial to to to tap into those links you can't do that
so we're stuck with whatever it had to communicate with a
chipset which this also needs and then whatever it had to communicate with an
SSD the question then becomes are we limited by this pci express
bandwidth or could there be something else let's explore another idea by benchmarking our
4700s against a regular old ryzen 5800x
starting with a memory read speed benchmark we've got around 59 000
megabytes a second okay and oh wow look
at that 62 000 megabytes a second that's
a lot of memory bandwidth but what you got to understand is that GPU memory
that's the g in gddr6 is designed for raw bandwidth it's the
latencies where you might run into trouble
wowie 140
nanoseconds i mean that's not a lot of time right these are nanoseconds we're
talking about except that that is slower than a pentium d820 a CPU from 15 years
ago oh my god it's slower than basically everything i haven't looked at this rank
that's hilarious yeah like this is this is higher latency than cpus that don't
have an integrated memory controllers to put this in context our ryzen 5000
series over here is more like 60 nanoseconds that is gonna make a huge
difference in regular desktop applications yeah you can even do just
the open chrome test to see the difference
i just run center bench see what happens while we wait for this to finish let's
talk about why AMD didn't just allow you to plug in regular old ddr4 to this
thing because you can that's the thing about AMD's custom silicon division
anything that sony or microsoft don't need on the chip it's not on there
that's why you got to do this weird memory on the back thing just like on
the playstation 5.
3600 points is that half it's over half
but not by much this is 6 000 points all of which raises a very big question here
why oh why does this product even exist
and the answer is because it already did
when you're manufacturing microprocessors the odds of getting it
right every single time is basically zero sure some of your chips are going
to have all of the CPU cores and GPU cores functioning and they're going to
be within the power and thermal targets that you set and those are going to end
up in the playstation 5. but some of them are going to have runaway power
consumption or they're going to have a GPU that doesn't work but the CPU still
works well now instead of taking those and essentially turning them into
e-waste AMD has repurposed them into these budget motherboard CPU RAM combo
things and fundamentally i love this move taking something that would have
otherwise been wasted and turning it into something functional freaking
awesome my main issue with this product is that from a value per dollar
perspective not great at 400 in china
remember that's just for the board CPU and RAM you can get much much better
performance for the dollar and at a thousand dollars here in north america
it's absolutely out of the question ridiculously overpriced so
good effort just like it's a good effort
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enjoyed this video hey you know what maybe check out the weird chinese
console that we got our hands on a couple of years ago it also featured uh
like what seemed like kind of reject
playstation or xbox socs with graphics
memory on it but that one was intended to be like an actual pre-built thing you
bought as like a weird console with Windows really really strange product