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to monday.com for sponsoring this video monday.com's work os is a powerful platform to run all your work and create any workflow they recently launched their work docs feature that allows you and your team to easily collaborate and record all your notes and ideas watch till the end to learn more right out of the gate this is a super weird product because the processor inside this case is the AMD 4700s a product that is readily available and listed on AMD.com and yet there is absolutely no obvious way to buy it now you can get your hands on them but especially if you're in north america you're gonna have to go a little bit outside of your comfort zone we did find a listing on newegg but at a thousand dollars it's extremely overpriced so checking out sites like aliexpress or taobao is going to be a better bet of course that doesn't really answer the question of what exactly it is we're getting here let's crack this thing open even more i am extremely curious about this puppy that one hole is rather enlarged it's aluminum but i don't think it's high grade the more pure the aluminum is the more malleable it'll be you want an alloy okay i mean overall the case doesn't seem like super hot garbage this is a john's bow case right or at least oh i assumed that because i saw that this is a john's bow oh wait no it's a hunt keypad where did i see john's boat so i saw john's bow somewhere it's got a john's bow fan in it so that's a looks like 92 millimeter exhaust fan at the back of the case and your intake is going to be handled by drawing fresh air in from the side panel the other more different side panel and the top panel of course the big thing i want to have a look at is this power supply because while i've actually heard of hunt key it's never in a positive context i'm actually kind of surprised at how much this thing weighs huh for how cheap i'm expecting it to be but that doesn't mean that i'm going to plug it in if you look carefully you'll notice that this is not a dual mode power supply there's no switch and does not support a 110 volt 60 hertz input what that means is that if we plugged this thing in best case scenario would do nothing worst case scenario it could burn the place down our best guess is they went with a 200 to 240 volt input to avoid paying for active power factor correction circuitry inside the power supply which doesn't inherently mean that it is a bad unworthy power supply but when a manufacturer is cheaping out on what has been considered a basic feature for the last 20 years it ain't a good look it's also really dangerous because while this label is pretty clear that you should only plug in 220 volt 50 hertz power in the event that it accidentally gets peeled off which could happen there is nothing preventing you from just lighting your house on fire or the fact it's just inside of the case from the factory oh wait what oh that's right you would have no way of knowing when it's already installed in here yeah i didn't even think of that part to be clear we're not blaming AMD for this it's not their fault that the system integrator who designed this system decided to cheap out in that way it just is a thing you should probably know as i continue disassembling this thing i'm struck by how many different kinds of screws are in it not unlike an fu we wanted to make this thing hard to reassemble sort of way but in a it really just seems like we use whatever kinds of screws we found on the floor of the shop kind of way it doesn't even have a native eight pin connector like look at the gauge of this wiring compared to the adapter that they used because they probably just couldn't find an adapter that had such thin gauge crappy wiring now this is weird i was not expecting a graphics card in the system looks like this is an rx 550 2gig cheapo aluminum cooler on it no obvious markings to indicate who the oem is for it because the thing is the chip in the playstation 5 is more of an apu that's to say it has both a CPU and a GPU baked onto the same piece of silicon so i'm starting to have my doubts that what's under this cooler is even a playstation 5 processor oh my god are these standoffs just like glued into the case now i normally wouldn't lean quite so heavily into a cheap computer for having a cheap power supply in a cheap case but this system wasn't that cheap whoa look at the size of that back plate that is nothing like a standard AMD back plate huh so here's where we're getting into the part that AMD actually makes so we've got an AMD logo still screened onto this board and it looks like the whole thing is meant to be sold as one integrated unit there is no socket it's soldered right to the main board and this is also really interesting there's an Intel stock cooler style cooler on this uh have you noticed that there's like no RAM yet oh that makes sense because it would be just baked into the soc oh my god it only has a pci express by 8 slot down here so it's a 16x physical slot but it's only actually wired up for eight lanes no m.2 which is weird because the playstation 5 has m.2 but then the playstation 5 doesn't have a pci express slot this is super weird you want to know something else that's very unfortunate about that pci express slot it's gen 2. there's any doubt that this cooler is custom we can put that to rest wait what there's four more screws for just the back plate i don't know whether my expectations are higher or lower after seeing how jank this is oh this may be the single weirdest motherboard that i have ever held you know what's funny i was looking at the layout of these traces around the board i was like this is so weird it kind of looks like they all just go out in a circle and come back because they do this thing is trippy but is it actually a playstation 5 chip only one way to find out oh well that trace layout looks really familiar it could not be more similar yeah that's uh wow i mean you don't have to have a degree in electronics engineering to figure out that these are probably architected somewhat similarly yep wow you know i've never actually been close up with a playstation board yet so i guess these are the nand packages there's your add-in m.2 slot this is for the water cooled playstation 5 project right yeah i guess you could probably say was for the water cooled playstation 5 project at this point oh interesting a bunch of the caps on the back are missing let's see what the markings on the dice say you ready brandon big reveal no dye markings yeah i'm pretty sure they just sanded the dye markings right off of it does the regular playstation 5 have die markings there's no markings on the die enough marveling at its weirdness though let's throw this thing back together and see how she flies okay moment of truth hey it's got an RGB fan in it nice john's bow do you hear how loud that fan is oh wow we went straight to BIOS because i forgot to plug in the SATA cable 4700s eight core processor desktop kit so this is gonna be zen two based not zen three like the latest 5000 series ryzens there's like nothing else in here that's configurable in any way that has anything to do with that so oh my god it's at 87 degrees did i not put it back on right there isn't even any UEFI non-UEFI like boot mode nothing yeah and did you see the uh RAM stats that they had there 16 gigs oh not bad that's the same amount as the playstation 5 right well but normally you would have stuff like ddr4 3200 megahertz like what speed it runs at but no no because this is going to be GDDR or whatever like gddr6 right yeah oh interesting what the heck is CPU gonna say about this thing don't spoil it alex sorry everything about this thing is just so weird even the way that they adapt this cooler with just a couple of punched out steel mounting plates like it's very almost diy when you're applying thermal compound to a bare dye you have to be a lot more careful to cover the whole thing because you don't want any hot spots when there's a spreader over top of it it's not that big of a deal but oh no that thermal compound this isn't even the good tasting one hey alex how do you gallop into the BIOS you missed it it's a bit of a drag that doesn't support an m.2 boot drive oh wait whoa hi how you doing is this the pre-installed Windows image uh yes oh okay we're up here it is ladies and gentlemen this is a gaming machine for gamers okay CPU AMD 4700s eight core processor desktop kit i don't think there's any way to buy this thing standalone that's why we ended up with this weird janky system it was just the cheapest one we could find memory 16 gigs and that's it wow that's weird it has an on-board usb 3 to Ethernet bridge what i'm just i i want to check that sony's using a completely separate outboard Ethernet controller chip no idea how it's connected to the rest of the chipset so obviously they had to find a different solution for this board and they went with a usb to Ethernet bridge weird oh hey whoa hardware info pulls it up oh wait oh damn nope never mind that's the gddr5 on the GPU that is some uncanny valley stuff we got going on right there wow that fan is going boys it's going it's going get immersed Linus no it looks like poopoo and i want to see something that's better looking let's go hello oh my god i have to go turn off the power or something i don't care okay you know what this is good enough at least we're not into seconds per frame territory here but this is not a great experience yeah this is a playstation 4 game it's not even a ps5 game do you want to just try it with a better GPU now can we at least turn down some settings or something oh well we're on ultimate quality why would it be at ultimate quality by default especially when it knows you don't have the minimum requirements let's see if that's any better yeah you might have like seven FPS now no i was like 10. this looks like a giant boatload of garbage though whoa calm down geez now one potential problem will this even fit do you have anything else 2060 that's reasonable if it wasn't already apparent while this might be exactly the same silicon it clearly doesn't have the same functionality as the soc or apu or whatever you want to call it that's built into the playstation 5. there's no GPU and we can already see that some of the i o choices that were made on this motherboard are different from what sony did on the playstation 5's board my expectations are honestly not super high though PCIe gen two by eight by four by four i thought it's by eight supports by four gen two signal the reason we have such a lack of pci express connectivity on that thing is because with the playstation 5 just like any modern CPU you've got a bunch of pci express lanes that are built into the soc here but on the playstation 5 they're used to connect with only a couple of things this i o hub slash controller hub down here that also access the playstation 5's SSD as well as right here to this m.2 storage expansion slot most of these lanes are actually going to be wired up to the GPU that's built into this so if that's just not connected it's non-trivial to to to tap into those links you can't do that so we're stuck with whatever it had to communicate with a chipset which this also needs and then whatever it had to communicate with an SSD the question then becomes are we limited by this pci express bandwidth or could there be something else let's explore another idea by benchmarking our 4700s against a regular old ryzen 5800x starting with a memory read speed benchmark we've got around 59 000 megabytes a second okay and oh wow look at that 62 000 megabytes a second that's a lot of memory bandwidth but what you got to understand is that GPU memory that's the g in gddr6 is designed for raw bandwidth it's the latencies where you might run into trouble wowie 140 nanoseconds i mean that's not a lot of time right these are nanoseconds we're talking about except that that is slower than a pentium d820 a CPU from 15 years ago oh my god it's slower than basically everything i haven't looked at this rank that's hilarious yeah like this is this is higher latency than cpus that don't have an integrated memory controllers to put this in context our ryzen 5000 series over here is more like 60 nanoseconds that is gonna make a huge difference in regular desktop applications yeah you can even do just the open chrome test to see the difference i just run center bench see what happens while we wait for this to finish let's talk about why AMD didn't just allow you to plug in regular old ddr4 to this thing because you can that's the thing about AMD's custom silicon division anything that sony or microsoft don't need on the chip it's not on there that's why you got to do this weird memory on the back thing just like on the playstation 5. 3600 points is that half it's over half but not by much this is 6 000 points all of which raises a very big question here why oh why does this product even exist and the answer is because it already did when you're manufacturing microprocessors the odds of getting it right every single time is basically zero sure some of your chips are going to have all of the CPU cores and GPU cores functioning and they're going to be within the power and thermal targets that you set and those are going to end up in the playstation 5. but some of them are going to have runaway power consumption or they're going to have a GPU that doesn't work but the CPU still works well now instead of taking those and essentially turning them into e-waste AMD has repurposed them into these budget motherboard CPU RAM combo things and fundamentally i love this move taking something that would have otherwise been wasted and turning it into something functional freaking awesome my main issue with this product is that from a value per dollar perspective not great at 400 in china remember that's just for the board CPU and RAM you can get much much better performance for the dollar 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