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This is the $69 gaming PC, and it's

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great, except for one small problem. It keeps turning all of my favorite new AAA

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games into what I call slideshow simulator, which got me wondering, what

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would happen if we added just a little bit more budget? Could we play any game

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on the market with legitimately good performance? to find out. I personally

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signed a big, beautiful budget increase

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of $200, allowing us to upgrade our hot

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dog to a hot dam. I'm talking games like

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Doom: The Dark Ages, Dragon's Dogma 2, and Cyberpunk at 1080p 60fps. And I

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picked up another set of parts to show that if we start our $269 build from

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scratch, we can do even better. Wow, this is actually much higherend than I

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expected. Is this a 2080 Super? I know. Can you

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All things considered, our latest $69 gaming PC is a fantastic little machine,

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but it was built with compromise at its core. Like these dangerously rough

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cutouts, ow, these two precarious power supplies,

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not to mention the low power CPU that was meant more for crunching

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spreadsheets than games. That's a good place for us to start by

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asking what is the best CPU that we can put into this motherboard without

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swapping any of our other components. And the answer is the Core i7 3770K.

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But when we found this Core i5 3570 nonK

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for just 5 Canadian, that was a deal we

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couldn't refuse, even if it does mean we'll lose a few FPS versus its big

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brother. Now, if you're looking at that deal thinking, "Oh, is this another

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David build where he just flexes his deal hunting skills on us mere mortals?"

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The answer is no. For budgeting purposes, I made him use prices that

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were actually readily available across a combination of marketplace and eBay. So,

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this CPU counts against him for $15.

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But even so, we have lots of budget left for other upgrades like this 4x4 gig kit

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of memory from Corsair for about $10. We're not only doubling our capacity

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here, but it's faster than our old mini greenies, too. At least in theory. I do

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have some doubts about this HP motherboard actually supporting this stuff at full speed. Next, we're going

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to improve our storage situation with an upgrade to a Hitachi 1 TB hard drive for

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$10. What are all the great things I can say about this drive? Well, it has 1 TB

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of storage, which is enough that we won't need to constantly redownload our

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games, and it saves us the $30 to $40

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that we would spend on a larger SSD. With all of those positives out of the

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way, let me make this clear. For anything but a game drive, I don't

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really recommend random old used hard drives. But for an application like

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this, where reliability doesn't matter, it's totally valid.

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Now, for obvious reasons, we played around with the idea of replacing the

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case from our original $69 PC, but we

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realized that that would have cascading consequences. For one thing, our

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motherboard might not fit in the new chassis, and for another, we would need

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a new power supply that is actually enough for the entire system because uh

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we'd have nowhere to mount our second power supply. So instead, we opted to go

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allin and invest our remaining budget in our GPU. With about $166 left, our

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options are somewhat limited. But if we

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sell the old RX570 for the price we

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originally paid, which shouldn't be a challenge, we got a great deal. All of a

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sudden, we have over $200 to play with.

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With that kind of doach in our pocket, it was tempting then to go for the

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legendary GTX 1080 Ti, which can be had

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for less than 150 bucks these days. But

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we're starting to see games that require feature support that that card simply

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doesn't have, which pushes us to newer cards that have hardware raid tracing

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support, like an AMD 6700 or a GeForce

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2070 Super. Now, it is worth noting if you get really lucky, you might be able

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to get something better. We found a handful of 2080s and even 2080 supers

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for just around $200. And looking at the sold listings on eBay, that's not an

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unrealistic target if you're willing to play the game in order to play games.

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But that was a little bit outside of the

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easy to obtain range that I had for David. So, we're going to go with the

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2070 Super for our build. Sorry, David.

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This is a little tricky. So, while we're getting everything aligned,

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let's talk about the importance of casting a wide net for parts that fit

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your budget and then pulling the trigger when you see the right deal. You've got

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to have some idea what you're aiming for. Set up your keyword notifications,

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then pounce. And if you're not sure where to start on what kind of hardware

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is going to work for you, we really like the Tom's Hardware CPU and GPU hierarchy

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charts. Oh, and another really good resource is those super helpful

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head-to-head benchmark videos that you can find on YouTube. Shout out to the

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creators of those. All right.

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Yay. Let's fire it up. Is what I would say if

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it wasn't for the big question we need to answer. Would we have just been

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better off building a $269 gaming PC in

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the first place rather than building a $69 gaming PC and upgrading it? Short

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answer, maybe. Our higher initial budget

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makes it easier for us to target someone's old custom PC rather than

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being stuck with a dusty workstation. Ideally, then we can find something with

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a newer CPU. In general, it's worth

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noting that you're still better off trying to buy things in a bundle versus

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individual parts. You'll save on delivery time and cost. And ideally,

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you'll be able to test the bundle together before you actually hand over

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the cash, like you've seen us do during Scrapyard Wars. For stability testing,

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we like using stress tests like OCCT and

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Firmark. And for monitoring temperatures, hardware info is a great

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choice. With that said, when I'm buying budget parts in particular, I'm usually

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okay with the seller just sending me a video of them running a stress test as

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long as they have a decent rating. But I leave that up to your judgment. We

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picked up a few different bundles, each with their own strengths and weaknesses,

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but the one we liked best was built around one of our favorite target CPUs

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for builds like this, the Intel Core i58400.

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This chip could trade blows with the previous generation's flagship thanks to

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its six cores that boost to up to 4 GHz. And because it was so popular, there are

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tons of people trying to get rid of them, meaning that deals on these chips

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are plentiful. This H310 motherboard that it came with offers us a decent

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upgrade path. And the whole platform is new enough that it shouldn't have any

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significant obstacles to running Windows 11. Included with our bundle for $100,

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we got 16 gigs of Team Group RAM at 2666 mega transfers per second, a decent

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midsized case, and an optical drive. But

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none of that is enough to test out these parts to make sure we didn't get scammed. So, we also picked up this CIC

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X650 W power supply for around $30. Now,

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buying a used power supply is a roll of the dice on the best of days, especially

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a modular one. Make sure you get all the cables. They are not interchangeable.

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So, if you must buy a used power supply, you might want to look to eBay. Between

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a visible seller rating, not to mention more robust fire protection, the online

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auction house might be our preferred source for used power supplies. Let's

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get this one installed.

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Next up, we need some decent storage. We actually got offered a free 128 gig SSD

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when we picked up our core system. Just goes to show you it's always worth being

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a good polite buyer because occasionally you might get some freebies thrown in.

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But that's just gravy because our motherboard is new enough that we can

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aim for an NVMe SSD instead, like this 500 gig Kingston NV2 that we got for

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just under $20. Now, to be clear, if

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you're in a hurry, you might have to settle for a SATA drive for this budget.

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But deals like this one are definitely out there. And man, I got to say, this

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computer is a lot more modern than I expected so far. Let's stress test it.

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OCCT is a great tool for stress testing computers. And they've even got these

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helpful little tool tips throughout the UI that will help you configure it to

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stress the correct components for what you're trying to validate. Shout out to

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their team, by the way. They're working on a new LT themed skin, so uh stay

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tuned for that. It's coming whenever it comes. Look at her go. It's also not a

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bad idea to run Crystal Disc Info to check out the power on hours and see if

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there are any smart errors on your SSD. Assuming nothing's defective, we should

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be able to run stress tests like this indefinitely. It's not like we're

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overclocking or anything. On that subject, choosing parts that can

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overclock is not a bad choice for stretching out the life of budget parts.

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But the flip side is that if it doesn't support overclocking, it means it's

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never been overclocked. So, you know that it hasn't been pushed to its

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limits. Hey, we passed. Now that we

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trust our core system, then it's time to plan our next move. We could move up in

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the RAM world, but it's going to be hard to find a noticeable bump in performance

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for a low price. So, I think we're going to skip that. We already have a pretty

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good case and a functioning cooler. I mean, I wouldn't blame you for upgrading

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that, but personally, I wouldn't bother until I've sorted out everything else.

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This time around, because we were trying to build a system that would provide a

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more balanced experience, not to mention an easier upgrade path, we actually have

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a little less money to invest in our GPU, which means we're probably going to

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end up with a 2060 or a 2060 Super for

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around $160. Oh, even at that price, it kind of

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breaks our budget, putting us around $300. But David pointed out that he was

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able to find these cards for more like $125 to $130

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with a little bit of patience. And if you're able to be really patient, we

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even saw a couple of 2070 class cards in

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this range. So, uh, happy hunting.

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Something something transparent screwdriver. ltstore.com. Let's go. Look

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at this thing. Gosh, I've been waiting so long for this day. Look at it go.

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It's like an LT screwdriver but clearer.

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Question now is which of our systems gives us a better overall gaming

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experience. Right out of the gate, yours is really loud. Yes. Kind of unpleasant.

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Also, the shader caching on his took at

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least half an hour. At least. That was brutal.

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Yeah, you're you're uh doing a little bit better. your mins are higher than my

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average. It goes to show you the most

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powerful GPU is not always the correct answer. I wasn't expecting such a huge

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disparity. Mhm. Then again, I mean, that's what a third gen and this is an

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eighth gen. It's a huge huge difference. That's a big difference in CPU

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performance. Still, this is not an especially pretty

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game. No, but there's no denying it's demanding and it's running way better on

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the from the ground up $269 gaming PC.

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That being said, this computer is still mostly playable. Like you're not having

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a great time and you're having frame drops to sub 10 once in a while, but you

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could get through this game probably. Yeah. So, if our goal was to build a PC

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that can run any modern game, Dragon's Dogment 2 isn't going to stop us. Let's

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try the next one. I'm really feeling my hard drive right now. You just finished

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a game, reloaded into a game, and are playing before I even loaded my first

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one. Yeah, it's pretty brutal, dude. Disconnected. No. Oh, we're on Hey,

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we're on the same game. No way. Yeah, but uh Oh, nice. Okay, let's go.

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Oh, it's you. Hey. Dang it. I wouldn't

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have won. This is not great. I'm above 60 on my 1% lows, but it feels quite

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choppy. How is yours feeling? Uh, mine feels great. Why wasn't that? I have no

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excuses.

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Oh boy. Oh, I I I screen peaked. I was waiting for you to pop around that corner. You piece of crap. But I didn't

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get Oh no. How dare you? Got him. Ah,

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mother lover. I got to say my minimums

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are 84, but it doesn't feel quite that smooth actually. Really? Oh, got him.

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Oh, you did get me. It's over. You're the better You're the better CS player.

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Here, try this.

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Oh my god, that's so much better. Yeah, yours is definitely worse, but it's not

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as worseer as uh it should be. I think

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if we fandangled the settings a bit, we would get a better experience on both of

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them. We just wanted sort of to set a benchmark. You can absolutely play

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esports games on either of them. 100%. But that's a way better experience

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because we have a way better CPU. All right, what else we got? How you doing

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over there? It would be so nice for the menu to load.

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Oh, never mind. Oh, yeah. This is what happens. Stop. Oh.

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Oh, that's rough. So, if our goal is to

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be able to play any AAA game, we're basically stuck with the groundup build

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where we choose a more modern platform. And you could choose a more modern

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office PC. But from my experience, the more recent stuff is still kind of

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deployed slash still has an obvious value. So, you're not able to get as

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good a deal on it as you are compared to the really obsolete office PCs. This is

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the office PC I found that's similar to that one. It's got an $8500 in it and it

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was about $110. Okay, so pretty good value and we could

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have like modified it, made it work, but it's also really similar in price to the

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custom one we got. Yeah, way better. So, it doesn't set itself apart in terms of

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value and we're stuck with this proprietary power supply and really

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limiting case. So, when you're looking at new enough stuff, it probably does

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make more sense to go for a custom PC 100%. Um, yep. Okay. She's demanding. We

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might need a little bit of DLSS helper. Uh, medium was also probably Oh, yeah.

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Let's do low error. Maybe some DLSS. Okay. Yeah. fast-paced game like this,

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you are not going to want to play at dips down to 15 FPS. Let's try just low

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first or do you want to have DLSS on? Let's try low first cuz 1% lows are

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pretty damn low. Yeah, this is not great. DLSS. I could play the game

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though. Yeah, it looks like it doesn't feel as choppy as it the frame times are

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saying. What is it about ID and just being able to make games that look

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incredible and run pretty damn incredible? Yeah. Do it just for me. Can

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you try DLSS? Oh, absolutely. I think with quality, that's all we're going to

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need. That is a playable experience.

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Very looks a little softer obviously, but

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very playable. Not just a little. And say what you want about DLSS and fake

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frames and all that. I would rather play like this than like

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I was before at native. Oh, 100%. It's pretty incredible what you can get for

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269 bucks though, I got to say. Unbelievable.

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This is freaking awesome. Say what you will about the state of the new PC

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market. It is a great time to build a sub $500 PC if you're willing to use

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used parts. There are solid deals out there both on mostly built computers

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that have not that old platforms and on

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three generation old cards that, as you can see, still hold up pretty darn well.

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As far as narrowing down your choices, personally, I would avoid pre-rtx NVIDIA

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and pre 5000 series AMD if you're interested in running modern games since

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we're expecting to see more and more titles that require an up-to-date

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feature set. Most Intel cards should be fine, but we've noticed that it's hard

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to find them at a good price. And that could be a combination of the lack of

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widespread adoption and also the fact that ARC is riding a new wave of

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popularity. Um, maybe it's a bit of both. But you know what else is riding a

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new wave of popularity? These segways.

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