WEBVTT 00:00:00.110 --> 00:00:03.370 There comes a time in every build when you have to ask the question, 00:00:03.910 --> 00:00:05.850 how many case fans do I need? 00:00:06.310 --> 00:00:08.750 How many case fans can this case even take? 00:00:08.850 --> 00:00:11.550 Where should I put them? What types should I get? 00:00:11.910 --> 00:00:13.310 How many are going to be worth it? 00:00:13.350 --> 00:00:17.790 Do I make compromises into other components in order to get these case fans? 00:00:18.690 --> 00:00:22.320 It's kind of annoying and there isn't a ton of clear answers out there, 00:00:22.420 --> 00:00:23.560 so we're going to check that out today. 00:00:23.700 --> 00:00:28.740 Also, like the video if you want to see a bunch of build logs based around gaming fiends. 00:00:28.740 --> 00:00:43.150 The Master Case 5 by Cooler Master gives you the freedom to truly make your mid-tower PC case your own 00:00:43.150 --> 00:00:45.830 with a variety of modular parts and accessories. 00:00:46.290 --> 00:00:47.330 Click now to learn more. 00:00:48.590 --> 00:00:51.710 Loads of people freak out over their fans, and I mean, I get it. 00:00:51.770 --> 00:00:53.710 It kind of feels like a manual warranty. 00:00:54.330 --> 00:00:55.810 You want your parts to stay cool. 00:00:55.910 --> 00:00:58.230 You just spent a whole bunch of money on this fancy new rig. 00:00:58.310 --> 00:00:59.950 You don't want it to overheat and die. 00:01:00.070 --> 00:01:01.510 It's freaky, I get it. 00:01:01.870 --> 00:01:04.430 But what's the golden rule? What's the sweet spot? 00:01:05.010 --> 00:01:06.650 Honestly, I don't know. 00:01:06.650 --> 00:01:07.730 But that's why we're here today. 00:01:07.730 --> 00:01:10.370 To find out you and I are going to pick a bunch of components, 00:01:10.370 --> 00:01:15.210 put them all in a case and test a whole bunch of different configurations of fans to figure out what you need. 00:01:15.270 --> 00:01:15.870 So let's go. 00:01:16.510 --> 00:01:22.750 So on my personal Twitter, Luke underscore LAFR, I posted a bunch of straw polls asking people what they had in their systems 00:01:22.750 --> 00:01:26.490 in terms of CPU cooler, fans, case and graphics card. 00:01:26.650 --> 00:01:31.690 In terms of graphics card, you guys told me that you had an internal exhaust cooled graphics card. 00:01:31.690 --> 00:01:36.950 So I grabbed a 290 that I've had for a little bit here that has internal exhaust. 00:01:36.950 --> 00:01:37.730 So that should represent. 00:01:37.730 --> 00:01:40.390 That type of heat going into your case. 00:01:40.390 --> 00:01:45.270 In terms of CPU cooler, you guys said an average like single tower cooler. 00:01:45.270 --> 00:01:47.070 So I have a Hyper T4. 00:01:47.070 --> 00:01:52.170 I don't have a Hyper 212 EVO because I still don't know. 00:01:52.170 --> 00:01:54.550 But this will be a pretty good representative of that. 00:01:55.250 --> 00:01:58.490 Motherboard, CPU and RAM all don't really matter that much. 00:01:58.490 --> 00:02:03.030 But I've got a Z170 series deluxe board here from ASUS. 00:02:03.290 --> 00:02:07.590 Some random RAM from ADATA and a 6700K that we'll use to, 00:02:07.590 --> 00:02:09.530 kind of, heat things up. 00:02:09.530 --> 00:02:12.130 In terms of fans, you guys said mid-range. 00:02:12.130 --> 00:02:15.130 So I grabbed some Antec tri-cools here. 00:02:15.130 --> 00:02:17.070 Some just random ones. 00:02:17.070 --> 00:02:20.830 I was actually going to go with Cooler Master because we have somewhat of a theme going on, 00:02:20.830 --> 00:02:22.110 which you'll see here in a moment. 00:02:22.110 --> 00:02:25.010 This is not a Cooler Master sponsored build, by the way. 00:02:25.010 --> 00:02:31.790 But a master case because you guys said about $90 to $150 is what you'd spend on your case. 00:02:31.790 --> 00:02:35.550 And this can fall somewhere in there depending on what configuration you get. 00:02:35.550 --> 00:02:36.950 And we had a Cooler Master cooler already. 00:02:37.590 --> 00:02:39.590 So we're going to go with Cooler Master fans. 00:02:39.590 --> 00:02:47.430 But the spare Cooler Master fans that we have in the office on Newegg are $69 when they're like almost 50% off. 00:02:47.430 --> 00:02:50.810 So there's some pricing error going on there and I don't know how much they're actually worth. 00:02:50.810 --> 00:02:52.810 So I just got some random Antec ones. 00:02:52.810 --> 00:02:54.110 So here we go. 00:02:54.110 --> 00:02:58.960 Let's build the system, put fans all over the place, see how it turns out. 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:03.540 So I'm taking the Cooler Master fans that are already in the case out, 00:03:03.540 --> 00:03:07.400 which is a little bit silly because I'm going to have to put them back in eventually. 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:08.100 But, 00:03:08.100 --> 00:03:13.540 the first test that I want to do is actually going to be just with the Hyper T4 running. 00:03:13.540 --> 00:03:20.540 Because I want to see how effective a case is with no fans additional at all. 00:03:20.540 --> 00:03:28.020 Because I think that's, while not entirely representative because your case will basically always come with some amount of fans, 00:03:28.020 --> 00:03:30.720 still an interesting question that we should answer. 00:03:30.720 --> 00:03:37.110 I'm going to install the T4 out of the case because it's not the easiest thing to install. 00:03:38.390 --> 00:03:48.360 And it's in this build, so if I just put it on, it's fine. 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:53.900 So the back plate for the T4 is just missing. 00:03:53.900 --> 00:03:58.000 So I don't have an option really there, 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:01.840 but I grabbed the Nefton 280L and got the back plate from that. 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.760 And like the screws are actually compatible. 00:04:04.760 --> 00:04:08.240 So I don't know, I'm going to go this direction. 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:09.500 I don't know if it's going to work, 00:04:09.500 --> 00:04:11.880 but I kind of really need to use this T4. 00:04:11.880 --> 00:04:13.780 So hopefully I can figure something out. 00:04:19.400 --> 00:04:22.180 Holy crap, it works. 00:04:22.180 --> 00:04:25.160 Thank you 280L. 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:26.200 All right. 00:04:26.200 --> 00:04:27.040 Okay. 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:30.080 So we're going to be able to use the Hyper T4. 00:04:30.080 --> 00:04:34.330 We're moving on. 00:04:34.330 --> 00:04:35.610 So there's a lot of variables here 00:04:35.610 --> 00:04:39.470 and I honestly can't answer them all, unfortunately. 00:04:40.530 --> 00:04:42.690 One of them being the power supply. 00:04:42.690 --> 00:04:44.810 You could have it so the power supply is pulling air 00:04:44.810 --> 00:04:46.330 from the inside of the case, 00:04:46.330 --> 00:04:48.010 or you could have it so it's in a basement, 00:04:48.010 --> 00:04:49.290 like in this situation, 00:04:49.290 --> 00:04:52.650 or you could have it so that it's pulling air from the outside 00:04:52.650 --> 00:04:52.830 and then spitting out the power supply. 00:04:52.830 --> 00:04:53.330 And then spitting out the power supply. 00:04:53.330 --> 00:04:55.770 And then putting it back in its own little ecosystem, 00:04:55.770 --> 00:04:57.730 which is also like this situation. 00:04:58.730 --> 00:05:02.330 I went with the power supply not really contributing 00:05:02.330 --> 00:05:05.010 because I actually wanted to remove it as a variable. 00:05:05.010 --> 00:05:06.770 There's no way, like I just said, 00:05:06.770 --> 00:05:09.210 that I can do all the different possible scenarios. 00:05:09.210 --> 00:05:12.090 We'd need an insane amount of cases, different fans, 00:05:12.090 --> 00:05:12.930 all that kind of stuff. 00:05:12.930 --> 00:05:16.390 So I'm trying to take a very average use case. 00:05:16.390 --> 00:05:17.810 And I think either in a basement 00:05:17.810 --> 00:05:20.190 or not contributing to the system's cooling 00:05:20.190 --> 00:05:23.980 is probably more common. 00:05:23.980 --> 00:05:24.580 Okay. 00:05:24.580 --> 00:05:26.340 Most of the way done building the case, 00:05:26.340 --> 00:05:27.960 not 100%, but most of the way. 00:05:27.960 --> 00:05:29.220 Except for monitor, keyboard, and mouse 00:05:29.220 --> 00:05:30.480 so we can check things out. 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.020 I'm going to install the graphics card real quick. 00:05:33.020 --> 00:05:37.500 And then we're going to start our first test. 00:05:37.500 --> 00:05:39.100 All right, graphics card is in. 00:05:39.100 --> 00:05:43.480 Currently we have only one fan and it's on the Hyper T4. 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:45.320 I'm going to turn the system on 00:05:45.320 --> 00:05:47.140 by turning the power supply on first 00:05:47.140 --> 00:05:50.220 and then turning the power button on the motherboard. 00:05:50.220 --> 00:05:51.760 All right, that's booting up. 00:05:51.760 --> 00:05:55.800 I'm going to get the panels on it. 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.430 And we're ready to test. 00:05:58.430 --> 00:06:00.930 Well, my boot device isn't working. 00:06:00.930 --> 00:06:02.570 Nope, yeah, there's another blue screen. 00:06:02.570 --> 00:06:05.070 So I'll have to find another drive. 00:06:05.070 --> 00:06:06.900 Damn. 00:06:06.900 --> 00:06:08.940 All right, so we are currently running our first test. 00:06:08.940 --> 00:06:12.920 This is with the system closed with only the T4 running. 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:15.860 I am running IDA64 stress test 00:06:15.860 --> 00:06:18.600 and I'm running Furmark on our 290. 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:20.200 So that is only one fan. 00:06:20.200 --> 00:06:22.840 I have taken the fans out of the front of the case. 00:06:22.840 --> 00:06:25.060 There is no fans in the top, 00:06:25.060 --> 00:06:26.440 which I can even show you right now. 00:06:26.440 --> 00:06:27.800 There are no fans in the top. 00:06:27.940 --> 00:06:31.240 There are no fans. 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:34.500 There's no fan, sorry, in the back, nothing. 00:06:34.500 --> 00:06:37.040 We're just testing with just the T4 right now. 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:41.960 The CPU is only at about 71 degrees Celsius, 00:06:41.960 --> 00:06:44.120 which is actually pretty impressive, 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.640 but Skylake doesn't run that hot, so I'm not too surprised. 00:06:46.640 --> 00:06:50.820 The 290, however, is at 92 degrees Celsius. 00:06:50.820 --> 00:06:53.280 But at the same time, we're slamming it with Furmark 00:06:53.280 --> 00:06:56.260 and a 290 is kind of a hot card. 00:06:56.260 --> 00:06:57.780 So I'm not too surprised. 00:06:57.940 --> 00:07:01.000 So I'm installing one fan in the front here 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.720 and I'm gonna install one fan in the back. 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.480 I think this is a pretty common 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:08.740 kind of bare bones fan setup 00:07:08.740 --> 00:07:10.960 where the case manufacturer will give you 00:07:10.960 --> 00:07:14.740 one kind of in the middle of the front and one in the back. 00:07:14.740 --> 00:07:16.080 We're giving them benefit of the doubt 00:07:16.080 --> 00:07:17.880 in putting in 140 millimeter fans, 00:07:17.880 --> 00:07:19.840 which are a little bit more common these days. 00:07:19.840 --> 00:07:21.520 Also took out the hard drive cage 00:07:21.520 --> 00:07:22.840 that was sitting right here 00:07:22.840 --> 00:07:25.760 because A, there's a hard drive cage down here 00:07:25.760 --> 00:07:27.240 and a lot of people are opting for, like, just one. 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.120 They're opting for, like, just SSD rigs 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:32.760 or just one hard drive where you could probably get it 00:07:32.760 --> 00:07:34.240 out of the way of the graphics card 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.880 and that hard drive cage was in the way of the graphics card. 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:39.780 So we're gonna give it the benefit of the doubt there as well. 00:07:39.780 --> 00:07:41.000 Wow. 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:42.180 Okay. 00:07:42.180 --> 00:07:44.080 We'll see what it's actually like when it's done heating up, 00:07:44.080 --> 00:07:46.400 but it looks like a huge improvement already. 00:07:46.400 --> 00:07:48.100 Okay, so it's been 10 minutes 00:07:48.100 --> 00:07:51.000 with the one fan in the front, one fan in the back. 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:53.760 The CPU is running at about 60 degrees, 00:07:53.760 --> 00:07:56.180 which is down from 71 00:07:56.180 --> 00:07:57.980 with just the T4 running 00:07:57.980 --> 00:08:01.380 and the GPU is running at 79 degrees, 00:08:01.380 --> 00:08:03.680 which is down from 92. 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:05.680 So just adding one fan in the front 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:07.120 and one fan in the back 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:09.440 was actually a pretty huge improvement, 00:08:09.440 --> 00:08:11.840 but we haven't really gotten to the point 00:08:11.840 --> 00:08:14.000 where you're actually adding fans to the system yet 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:18.440 because this is a very common stock setup. 00:08:18.440 --> 00:08:20.320 One fan in the front, one fan in the back 00:08:20.320 --> 00:08:22.460 is usually what you're gonna kind of get 00:08:22.460 --> 00:08:24.220 in terms of fans in your system 00:08:24.220 --> 00:08:25.860 is two that come in the case. 00:08:25.860 --> 00:08:26.860 It's actually very common. 00:08:26.860 --> 00:08:28.480 I don't know if that's usual, 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:30.780 but at least two in the case is very common. 00:08:30.780 --> 00:08:32.800 All right, so now we're running two fans in the front, 00:08:32.800 --> 00:08:35.820 one fan in the back, no fans in the top. 00:08:35.820 --> 00:08:37.560 And this is our third test. 00:08:37.560 --> 00:08:40.200 So far, we've seen some pretty significant improvements 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.260 from our first test to our second test. 00:08:42.260 --> 00:08:44.480 We're gonna see how much this makes a difference. 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:46.620 I can already tell it won't be making 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:48.320 nearly as much of a difference, 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:50.360 but it does seem to be a little bit better, 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.740 but we do need to let it sit for 10 minutes. 00:08:52.740 --> 00:08:54.200 Okay, so it's been 10 minutes. 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:55.660 This is again with two fans in the front. 00:08:55.660 --> 00:08:57.600 One fan in the back. 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:02.600 We've got a CPU temp of about 57 degrees, I'm gonna say. 00:09:05.520 --> 00:09:08.240 58 degrees looks like a better average there. 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:10.240 I'm taking the second highest number on real temps. 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:14.620 So we'll take 58 degrees and a GPU temperature of 77, 00:09:14.620 --> 00:09:17.440 which means we went down two for CPU 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:19.520 and we went down two for GPU, 00:09:19.520 --> 00:09:22.820 which is not a huge improvement, but very noticeable. 00:09:22.820 --> 00:09:25.420 Two degrees in both categories is definitely very noticeable. 00:09:25.420 --> 00:09:29.100 So we're gonna move on and put one fan in the back of the top 00:09:29.100 --> 00:09:30.780 and we'll see how well that does. 00:09:30.780 --> 00:09:33.000 So this is getting to the realm of, 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:36.720 you might've added a fan or two to your system possibly. 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:38.360 All right, so it's been 10 more minutes. 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:42.020 Our CPU temperature is about 55 degrees. 00:09:42.020 --> 00:09:45.480 That's down three, I believe, from our previous number. 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.180 And our GPU temperature is 76, 00:09:48.180 --> 00:09:49.800 which is actually only down one degree 00:09:49.800 --> 00:09:51.000 from our previous temperature. 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.480 Not that surprising, given the position of the fan. 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:55.420 All right. 00:09:55.420 --> 00:09:57.520 So with all the fan slots filled, 00:09:57.520 --> 00:10:00.820 we're still running at 55 degrees Celsius on the CPU 00:10:00.820 --> 00:10:04.880 and we are still running at 76 degrees on the GPU. 00:10:04.880 --> 00:10:07.180 So there's actually no thermal change 00:10:07.180 --> 00:10:09.500 by adding the last fan, 00:10:09.500 --> 00:10:11.540 which is actually pretty interesting 00:10:11.540 --> 00:10:13.460 and might save some people some money. 00:10:13.460 --> 00:10:16.780 Although that is fairly specific to this setup. 00:10:16.780 --> 00:10:19.300 But yeah, diminishing returns was the point 00:10:19.300 --> 00:10:20.660 and I think we found it. 00:10:20.660 --> 00:10:23.420 Okay, so one of our extra tests is the T4 00:10:23.420 --> 00:10:25.380 and just one fan in the back 00:10:25.420 --> 00:10:26.820 of the case. 00:10:26.820 --> 00:10:29.200 I just kind of wanted to see how much of an impact 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.740 just that back case fan did. 00:10:31.740 --> 00:10:34.300 Okay, so we're done testing just the one in the back. 00:10:34.300 --> 00:10:36.560 For CPU, we got 64 degrees 00:10:36.560 --> 00:10:40.660 and for GPU, we got 85 degrees, 00:10:40.660 --> 00:10:42.340 which is pretty good, 00:10:42.340 --> 00:10:44.680 but I'm very interested to see how it compares 00:10:44.680 --> 00:10:45.820 to the one in the front. 00:10:45.820 --> 00:10:49.350 So let's swap the fan position and move on forward. 00:10:49.350 --> 00:10:52.270 Okay, so I just finished testing 00:10:52.270 --> 00:10:54.410 with only one fan in the front. 00:10:54.410 --> 00:10:55.450 I'm now taking that fan out. 00:10:55.450 --> 00:10:57.690 WAN Show's coming up soon 00:10:57.690 --> 00:10:59.770 and I don't want to be late like we always are, 00:10:59.770 --> 00:11:00.830 so I'm trying to go quickly. 00:11:00.830 --> 00:11:02.910 But with just one fan in the front, 00:11:02.910 --> 00:11:07.070 it got 67 degrees on the CPU and 80 degrees on the GPU, 00:11:07.070 --> 00:11:10.950 meaning that it went up by three degrees for CPU, 00:11:10.950 --> 00:11:14.690 but it went down by five for GPU, which is interesting. 00:11:14.690 --> 00:11:15.770 So you get a trade-off 00:11:15.770 --> 00:11:17.730 depending on where you want to put your fan. 00:11:17.730 --> 00:11:19.210 Maybe something to take note of. 00:11:19.210 --> 00:11:20.610 I'm gonna shove this fan at the top. 00:11:20.610 --> 00:11:23.210 We're gonna see how it goes. 00:11:23.210 --> 00:11:25.490 All right, so our last test, no fans in the front, 00:11:25.490 --> 00:11:26.510 no fans in the back. 00:11:26.510 --> 00:11:29.170 One fan on the T4, one fan in the top, 00:11:29.170 --> 00:11:33.610 gave us 65 degrees on the CPU and 83 degrees on the GPU, 00:11:33.610 --> 00:11:35.910 which lands it kind of right in the middle 00:11:35.910 --> 00:11:38.970 of having one in the back and one in the front, 00:11:38.970 --> 00:11:42.660 which is surprisingly perfect, in my opinion. 00:11:42.660 --> 00:11:44.440 So in conclusion, as we probably knew, 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:46.020 there are diminishing returns 00:11:46.020 --> 00:11:48.000 when it comes to adding fans to your system. 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:51.120 Although surprisingly enough, in my opinion, 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:54.080 once you kind of get past the stock amount of fans 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:55.480 that come with your case, 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:56.520 it doesn't really end up 00:11:56.520 --> 00:11:57.780 helping that much anymore. 00:11:57.780 --> 00:11:59.640 One of the most interesting parts to me 00:11:59.640 --> 00:12:04.000 was actually when we started putting single 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