{"video_id":"7gJ8mGFjeqA","title":"Is the MacBook Pro 2018 REALLY Bad?","channel":"Linus Tech Tips","show":"Linus Tech Tips","published_at":"2019-05-06T14:53:29Z","duration_s":730,"segments":[{"start_s":0.32,"end_s":8.559,"text":"apple's design philosophy has been oh let's be generous and say ambitious","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":5.44,"end_s":11.599,"text":"lately first we had the much smaller","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":8.559,"end_s":15.36,"text":"macbook pro 2016 with its completely","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":11.599,"end_s":18.32,"text":"redesigned low profile key switches that","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":15.36,"end_s":24.24,"text":"don't take too kindly to dust and debris otherwise pretty nice machine then we","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":21.279,"end_s":30.64,"text":"got the imac pro which crammed up to an 18 core processor into a 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browsing facebook you've probably been wondering why the heck apple was taking so long to embrace Intel's 8th gen cpus with their dramatically higher performance and greater core counts well as it turns out they were cooking up something that on the surface looks the same same aluminum chassis same touch bar whether you love or hate it and same lack of full-sized usb ports although i'm all equipped with dongles now at this point anyway but then when you get under the hood is actually really different from the last generation the machine now responds to hey siri commands what's the weather like outside the keyboard got a membrane to keep dirt and debris out of the switches the display as retina as ever gets true tone sensors so that it will actually adapt to ambient lighting personally not a fan but to each their own and those same four Thunderbolt 3 ports are now running Intel's new titan ridge controller which means support for higher resolution monitors with displayport 1.4 though it should be noted that is only on macbook pros that are equipped with dedicated graphics cards this is Intel's fault because they still haven't added displayport 1.4 to their onboard gpus getting back to performance then let's go even deeper now we opted for a nearly top spec model with 32 gigs of ddr4 RAM so it turns out they could do that they just needed to put a slightly bigger battery in it because upgrading down the line will not be an option since the memory is soldered directly to the logic board we also went for a 512gb SSD that again will hopefully be enough forever because this too is soldered directly to the board and this is for us anyway where the controversy actually really starts with this machine so the 2018 macbook pro includes the same t2 encryption chip that we saw on the imac pro which in and of itself is not a bad thing we're we're pro encryption and pro user privacy around here the problem is the specific way they're doing it so instead of making the SSD a self-contained swappable module with encryption hardware built onto that apple has integrated the whole thing into the motherboard so the work around for this used to be that if your motherboard died there was a special data recovery port that was wired into the SSD portion of the motherboard and you could use that to pull the data off of an otherwise dead logic board for transfer but then apple went ahead and they removed that port in this model so what that means is that as far as we know right now if any motherboard component causes a system failure without taking your logic board to someone like louis rossman for diagnostics and re-soldering something that apple does not endorse doing and that even assumes that such a fix is possible you are completely sol on getting any of your data back from a dead logic board machine now time machine which thankfully is really awesome will prevent most catastrophic data loss but it's just something to be aware of because it's still possible that if you're on the road a lot something could get lost in the mix if your machine were to fail for any reason bringing us then to our last component selection the top of the line core i9 mobile processor so thanks to its higher core clocks and extra cash not to mention it's six course if you're into programming editing video or rendering complex 3d scenes this is the option you would obviously want to choose except that reports of performance crippling thermal throttling began to roll in almost as soon as the first macbook 2018 box was opened and we actually saw it firsthand in our recent live stream we're at 100 degrees once the workload started it took only seconds for our processor to be running well below its base advertised clock speed and then it only took another day or two for Intel to remove the tool that we were using to monitor the situation from their website for some definitely not pr related reason some folks were even reporting lower performance than the last gen macbook pro in adobe premiere now apple has since issued and oops we didn't notice this product was fundamentally broken firmware update to address the situation so what we figured we'd do is put that to the test we'll be comparing our macbook pro 2018 against a reference desktop and two other core i9 equipped laptops one with a similar form factor to the macbook and another with ample cooling to show us well how you could really expect a core i9 to perform with adequate cooling as usual we'll kick things off with our gaming results not too many gaming benchmarks i mean it is a mac actually these results are not too shabby considering that the ASUS zenbook pro rocks a faster gtx 1050 ti GPU and it looks like our Radeon pro 560 in here performs roughly equivalent to our desktop rx 550 in this thermal package which of course raises the question how much better could it do with a proper cooler we'll get to that but first let's look at productivity this is interesting our 2018 macbook pro with the fix supplied closely matches or even beats our other core i9 machines in CPU heavy workloads like adobe premiere and blender but only in macOS in Windows 10 using bootcamp which remember is an apple supported solution it falls way behind so is this a matter of macOS taking better advantage of Intel's speed shift technology than Windows does maybe our recorded temperatures will help us paint a clearer picture here very interesting so for starters calling what they did a firmware fix is a little disingenuous since firmware is typically os agnostic and what apple has done clearly only works in macOS at this time so in Windows the 2018 macbook pro is idling cooler than ASUS's similarly equipped zenbook pro but then it immediately drops to its lowest power state when a heavy load is applied just like before the fix the good news is that on macOS both the frequency and power curve are much smoother with no throttling whatsoever making this a much more usable machine i mean it's mostly good news because the thing to keep in mind then is that all that apple's really done here then is maybe apply a new fan curve along with TDP and clock speed limiting to the processor that manages to help it avoid constant performance killing power state changes they are still allowing the CPU to run at 97 degrees as measured in an air-conditioned office the problem though is that's all they really can do at this point since opening up the device with an ifixit kit made it immediately obvious that they haven't redesigned the thermal solution here to handle the new 45 watt core i9 CPU which isn't to say that they were helpless for the last two years during the development of this laptop there's clearly things they could have done but we don't even entirely blame apple for this there is an industry-wide problem that exists right now where laptop manufacturers are installing high performance processors in devices that they are designing to either thermal throttle and or run at unreasonable temperatures like i i get it i get the appeal of marketing top of the line specs in an amazingly thin package and technically 97 degrees is lower than the t-junction of a hundred degrees for a modern Intel CPU but i mean if you were a pc tech back in the Intel prescott days you'll remember running anything this hot is not cool pardon the pun and over time will absolutely cause board warping or worse which as we mentioned before when we talked about this is where the controversy starts comes with significant data loss implications on this particular product and this is all something that i wouldn't consider ideal on a consumer product and i certainly don't consider ideal on a professional one so let us know in the comments do you agree do you disagree has the pro become a meaningless word for more expensive i want to know your thoughts and i also want to know if you guys have ever heard of dbrand dbrand is your source for awesome vinyl skins they're available for laptops phones tablets 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