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this might look like a knock off alienware well because it is but

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according to specs on the box like AMD processor this might just be able to

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beat them at their own game but will it

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um i honestly don't know but i do know it's

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what we have here today is the electronics prometheus xvi

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and it's a very powerful little laptop eight

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core AMD processor rtx 3080 the 16 gig

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version it's quite a beast and it's thirteen hundred dollars less

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than this alienware right here now judging by the box i actually

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thought it was more of a striking comparison to the

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alienware uh in person

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it's more gray than white like i thought it was here

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let's just open it up here oh so in here we have some dbrand skins now

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electronics says that this is so that you can know

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choose if you want to have just the complete stealth look

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or if you want to have their logo on the back well i think it's almost smarter

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than that it's the kind of thing where like when you're asking for someone to build

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you a laptop like your electronics or even you know dell or lenovo

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you aren't building that laptop yourself you're going to a bunch of suppliers and

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being like in the case of this one let's say cherry

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is making the keyboard and someone else like maybe pixar is making

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this trackpad and so on and so forth but it's really smart to just call up dbrand

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so they can put your logo on something like this this costs what like 20 bucks

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instead of having to order like i don't know 500 100 000 laptops just so

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you can have your logo on here that's one of the things that was funny i was

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talking to the ceo and he said like he really likes this

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laptop the insides are based off of i believe it's an hp

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and then the factory re-skins it and

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it came out kind of looking like an alienware electronics actually aren't

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super stoked about that they want it to be more individual to them

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but you need to just make so many laptops for it to be your own so instead

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they just have exclusive rights to this chassis in the us

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in person it does look less like the alienware than i was expecting

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though it's kind of like the legion and the alienware just kind

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of like got it on and this is what popped out me

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and brandon together think we got it started in the right

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spot we're gonna find out here

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dbrand scanning laptops is just so smart

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it's such an easy way to make it look cool which one do you take brandon

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little black with the logo or RGB

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RGB all day hell yeah now when you get this laptop the first

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thing you want to do of course like install your drivers but then you want

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to install the ryzen controller software it's like kind of janky

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like look at the splash screen brandon

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beautiful and like the whole program's kind of

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janky this is not a first party program

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but at the same time everything that you need to play around

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with your computer is right here so like CPU temperature limit

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boom now it's 85 degrees turn that off

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want to change the TDP it's right there

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all of the stuff that you would really want to do

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is just available for you

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now it may not look the best like this is a very simple little program

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but compared to alienware's command center which like it's fancy it looks

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really good but it doesn't work the best all right

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enough screwing around though got the dad hat LTT Store.com and we are ready

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to do some testing cinebench let's just go straight for it

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now if i'm honest i don't think that this is as well

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cooled as the alienware or the lenovo

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but it does have an AMD processor which means that there is a good chance

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that it's going to win this huh

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well this isn't good um

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lenovo go 5362 alienware got 53.94 that's like within

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margin of error makes sense they have the exact same CPU

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but the electronics has

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49.06 that's not ideal uh i actually thought

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it would win right now but let's see if we can make it win one

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second okay so with a score of 53.94 to beat

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we're hopping into the ryzen controller and

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we're just going to do it the dirty way at first just every oh

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and set the temperature limit to 105 degrees i don't know about that let's go

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for 99. um but besides that one we're just going to

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take all the sliders all the way to the right

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and just see what happens with our super easy overclock we got

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5132 which is a decent improvement 200 points

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but we still need another 200 in order to beat this guy and i don't know if

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we're gonna get it yeah we ran it again with those additional sliders all the

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way over to the right and the score is about the same 5100 so we're not able to

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beat either of these guys now we didn't do a bit more research while it was running

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and it looks like this is about as fast as the 5900 hx gets

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so i think that really speaks more so to

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how well alienware and lenovo and their vapor chamber coolers

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have cooled these i7 chips as opposed to this thing being slow i'm

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kind of surprised though i was not expecting for Intel's 10 nanometer to be

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able to beat AMD so

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well that wasn't quite the center bench result i was hoping for it is still

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impressive because we didn't hit 90 degrees and

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that's very promising for the cooling system in games

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what i am impressed with though is just the overall build quality of

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this thing so the chassis is stamped aluminum and it just it feels

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really good i have to say it's not the same as like the magnesium chassis of

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the alienware this thing is insanely well built

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but it's very much in a similar league as the lenovo

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now as for the keyboard

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i am personally a fan so i feel like that has a tiny bit more travel than the

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legion has this is in many ways a good keyboard

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but i find it's not like the key stability just isn't quite

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perfect and there isn't enough travel this one right here is pretty good

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this one's maybe like an a minus we call this one a

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the alienware has the cherry switches that are just

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the best but that's kind of in its own league

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one thing i was planning on complaining about is the track pad

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now you can look at it it's the size is fine it's basically the same

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as the legion and the alien reaction tiny bit bigger than the alienware and i

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just don't really have any complaints about it it's the kind of trackpad that

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you can just use every day and be generally happy about it

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but enough fooling around it's a well-built machine

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but no one cares if it doesn't game well it's a gaming laptop so let's do some

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games before we get into the hard gaming benchmarking i want to just find out

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like the subjective how does it feel to game on this laptop we're here in

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valheim and first thing this screen is so good

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i said it before but quad hd on laptops

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is just it's the sweet spot especially 16 by 10

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it's kind of weird in games like

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in games i feel like a lot of them are made for a much wider screen as opposed

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to taller but you get used to it pretty fast and

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it is quite nice extremely responsive

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no problems at all we're now in forza horizon 4 and this is

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probably our best display benchmark that we have it's also a pretty good

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benchmark benchmark we're getting like 120 FPS you're not going to be

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complaining about that in this game now this really shows you how much just

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color and brightness you have like you don't really get to see because you're

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watching on whatever monitor you have but to my eyeballs

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i would quite enjoy just not doing work for the rest of the day and playing

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forza on this thing now we can get into the actual hardcore

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game testing of this guy right here so we're connecting to an external display

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for two reasons first of all all the testing for the alienware x17 was done

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at 4k and this is not a 4k panel also

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inside of this there is a mux switch which can give you something like a 5 to

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10 performance uplift but unfortunately it isn't yet enabled in the BIOS of this

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thing so you know connected to an external

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display you get that performance uplift and it's more representative of what you

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can expect when you actually have hands on with this thing and it's been updated

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based off of my numbers i don't think this is going to be as fast as the

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alienware or the lenovo hot damn

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so i was expecting this to be something

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like 90 FPS but we ended up getting a hundred and three so that's two more

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than the lenovo legion and

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i honestly don't know how it did it um

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i'm very impressed you little guy okay yeah we ran it again and it did drop a

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bit so we now have 96 FPS and the reason is just simply that our

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CPU it's overheating now we do still have it

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in everything to the right go insane mode

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so i don't really blame it but i do think that this is a much more

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reasonable kind of mid-90s

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maybe 90 FPS is what you're actually going to be getting

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i wonder if having this thing not on a desk pad would help improve performance

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it does seem like we have intakes on the bottom that might be slightly choked by

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something like this now we're testing the rise of the tomb raider anything

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above about 45 is a win that's what the m17 did

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anything above 66 which is what the x-17

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did is an ultra win i'm guessing we'll be somewhere in the middle there damn

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again i'm quite impressed so 57 FPS

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that's one less than the lenovo legion which is well within our margin of error

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of these tests final benchmark is dirt we're looking

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for 100 FPS we're currently getting 90. so

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not a bad start now the fans

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they're a bit loud in this thing if i'm honest

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they're not super annoying like it doesn't have a whole lot of high pitched

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wine but it certainly doesn't compare to like

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this guy like the x-17 is very quiet while gaming like

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for a gaming laptop of course

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but you're not paying alienware money so

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dirt was a tiny bit of a disappointment 92fps instead of 100 i was hoping for

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but at the same time going into this these are the results that i was

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expecting before it kind of blew me away with the other

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ones let's take it apart and see how they're doing such a good job

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disassembly i believe is pretty easy so you just got a couple of screws the

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ones in the front are shorter than the ones in the back if you put a long boy

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in the front you're gonna have a real bad time

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but fortunately a lot of the problems that you will run into have already been

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covered by them so they hired bob of all trades to go and just make disassembly

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videos so you know things like these little fan grills are kind of easy

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to screw up and now i'm going to note what's on the go

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and not break them

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exactly like this i'm slightly concerned i'm going to break a couple clips so i'm

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going to re-watch that video i was afraid that if i just pulled on this

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yep i was going to break it now i can go

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in here that didn't feel great but she's all good

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awesome thank you bob that is

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quite the cooling system i do have to say it's clearly well designed so we have

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one heat pipe that runs under here sneaky like to get your vrm's cooled on

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what is presumably the GPU over here

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we have these massive radiators on the

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back and the sides one thing i was a bit curious about was

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that a lot of electronics laptops you know they come with liquid metal as an

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option whereas sky does not turns out there's a good reason they

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tested it and there weren't massive performance gains by you know putting

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liquid metal on the CPU and GPU what they did find though is that if you

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upgrade the thermal pads on the vrm

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to k5 pro paste you are able to push them harder and

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see a real performance gain so they're considering having that as an option

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although liquid metal it's

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it's nice that they tested it and aren't going to just charge you extra for something that

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won't have a performance benefit as for upgradability

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we've got our RAM right here oh yes

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so this makes so much sense the RAM that we have here eight gigabytes one our x8

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this is the faster old RAM so

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i did a video on this a little while ago where new higher density modules will

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give you less performance this is almost definitely why i was surprised at the

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performance of this laptop and why it had the extra like 10 performance that i

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wasn't expecting it to have it's because someone

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like electronics can go in ask for these faster RAM modules and

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they can get them someone like lenovo or alienware aren't able to do that because

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they have to order such large quantities that they've probably run out of fast

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stuff by now yeah super easy upgradability two sodium

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slots two SSD slots

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got a wi-fi card one thing that isn't so

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incredible is the battery so we got 64 watt hours compared to the legion's 80.

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now they do make up for it by having an AMD CPU it's just more efficient than

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the Intel variants but if they had the larger battery they'd be

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able to beat instead of just match the battery life of their competitors well

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although at the start of this video i thought this was going to be a brutal

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alienware knockoff it turns out it's much closer to a legion seven knockoff

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and quite a good one at that now if we take a look at the legion that comes with the

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rtx 3080 you're looking at 2759

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now this guy right here if you get the 16 Gigabyte 3080 version

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you're looking at 2500

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so do you really want to go for electronics for

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you know 200 less and a smaller capacity

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SSD i'm not entirely sure but what is really

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compelling that there's an eight Gigabyte rtx 3080 version of this guy

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right here for 2300

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and i think that makes a lot more sense there's no 8 gig version of the 3080 in

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this guy and you probably just don't need 16

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gigabytes of vram you might as well just save yourself the 200

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in which case electronics is quite a compelling little

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buy so yeah overall i'm pretty impressed with this

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guy the cooling's good the screen is great keyboard's good i'm

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actually kind of surprised about that one only real complaint is i wish the

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battery was a little bit bigger good job guys

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i like it the drop sennheiser hd 6x headphones are

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one of drop's all-time best sellers with over 90 000 units sold they haven't

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changed the driver or sound structure compared to the hd650s so it delivers a

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beautiful balance mid-range and natural sounding bass and its open-back design

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allows auditorium-like acoustics for accurate sound reproduction it's got a

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detachable six foot cable instead of a 10 foot cable this change was based on

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community feedback and has a 1 8 inch plug with a quarter inch adapter

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included in the box so don't wait get yours today at the link in the video

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description so thanks for watching guys uh let me know what you thought of this video it's kind of a different style

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than we normally do more of like a experiencing a laptop as opposed to

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reviewing it if you're looking for something else uh the alienware x17

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video you probably want to go watch that now so have a good day bye