{"video_id":"6x0VY-3nzZk","title":"The best keyboard I’m not switching to - Kinesis Advantage360","channel":"ShortCircuit","show":"ShortCircuit","published_at":"2024-05-04T14:58:16Z","duration_s":834,"segments":[{"start_s":0.0,"end_s":4.36,"text":"Veteran viewers know that I have a bit of a history with ergonomic keyboards","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":4.36,"end_s":10.08,"text":"But it all started with the Kinesis Advantage 2. This is the Advantage 360","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":10.52,"end_s":15.88,"text":"Professional there's also a non-professional which is basically a souped-up version of that same keyboard","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":15.88,"end_s":21.84,"text":"I saw back then so the question is what's new what does it come with and will I switch to it?","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":21.84,"end_s":27.92,"text":"I do currently use and have used for several years a similar but different","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":28.52,"end_s":36.88,"text":"Ergonomic keyboard inside the box We have two key modules with bubble wrap for the children as well as a box of accessories","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":37.52,"end_s":42.0,"text":"You get a key cap puller, but not a key switch puller more on that later","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":42.0,"end_s":49.12,"text":"You get a USB A to C cable for connecting the keyboard to your PC. They even have","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":49.96,"end_s":56.28,"text":"Advantage 360 branded cable ties pretty cool. Maybe six feet long. I'm not six feet tall","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":56.28,"end_s":59.64,"text":"So, you know, I can't grab that wide a bridge connector","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":59.88,"end_s":65.12,"text":"Basically a piece of plastic says 360 on it and it holds the two key modules together more on that later","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":65.4,"end_s":71.6,"text":"Some extra key caps with this model. These are shine through ABS caps on the non professional","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":71.64,"end_s":76.48,"text":"They're actually double shot PBT caps weird that you get different key caps","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":76.48,"end_s":82.52,"text":"But that's what the $30 difference gets you a baby and a quick start guide. Let's look at the modules","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":82.72,"end_s":85.88,"text":"Don't give these to your kids to play with but they're so fun","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":86.96,"end_s":93.0,"text":"These are so awesome. They have a great weight to them. They have very high quality plastics","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":93.0,"end_s":96.76,"text":"They don't feel 3d printed at all. Like they look pretty modern","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":96.76,"end_s":101.28,"text":"I remember the advantage to was like had a great ergonomic innovations","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":101.28,"end_s":106.5,"text":"But it's kind of just a weird like 80s feeling keyboard even though it wasn't but this is nice","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":106.92,"end_s":114.2,"text":"Now let's talk about the features first of all It's split and that gives you a lot of flexibility because you can put them close together","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":114.44,"end_s":121.0,"text":"You can put them far apart and this allows you to have whatever kind of ergonomic setup for your shoulders that you need","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":121.0,"end_s":127.48,"text":"So you can turn them like that Have it like that, which is nice and that's gonna reduce what's called all-in-one deviation","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":127.56,"end_s":134.64,"text":"Which is when your hands go like this if you're like squished in on a cordy keyboard kind of like that with a split keyboard","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":134.64,"end_s":138.28,"text":"You can tilt them in Put your elbows on the table","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":138.36,"end_s":142.36,"text":"That's great It also gives you the freedom to put your mouse where you want believe it or not","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":142.36,"end_s":145.84,"text":"Some people may choose to spread the modules like this and put the mouse in the middle","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":145.84,"end_s":150.2,"text":"And what that does is it prevents them from reaching way over here for their mouse","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":150.2,"end_s":154.08,"text":"Which can cause shoulder and neck strain. That's the name of the game ergonomics","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":154.08,"end_s":158.64,"text":"We're trying to reduce prevent or heal from repetitive stress injuries","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":158.64,"end_s":163.32,"text":"And there's a few different ways you can get them all in deviation shoulder strain another way you can develop in","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":163.32,"end_s":168.92,"text":"RSI's from having too much brisk extension. This is flexion. This is extension and that hurts","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":168.92,"end_s":174.0,"text":"And normally it's because your hands are on your desk if your keyboard has those little legs on the back that make it tilt up","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":174.0,"end_s":184.28,"text":"I used to always use those once I got educated I stop because that's extension these you have the option of extending your wrist because the wrist pad is built onto the key module itself","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":184.28,"end_s":187.2,"text":"It just like forces you look how neutral my wrist is there","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":187.48,"end_s":194.24,"text":"It's just straight and not only that they sell an optional sold separately accessory for $25 and","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":194.64,"end_s":197.8,"text":"It's attaches on with magnets. It's so awesome and slick","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":197.8,"end_s":201.52,"text":"It's very cushy and plush and I actually recommend getting it if you're in the market for this keyboard","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":201.52,"end_s":210.2,"text":"I probably would get the wrist pads. They're awesome The next thing is pronation which is when your hands are like this the two bones in your ARM the radius and the ulna","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":210.2,"end_s":219.16,"text":"They scissor and they pinch tissue This is the one that I feel the most and this is also the way that this keyboard has improved probably the most like I've used","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":219.16,"end_s":224.0,"text":"Keyboards from ergo docs which are really cool, but their tending system is so much more finicky","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":224.0,"end_s":227.68,"text":"You have these little legs kicking off every direction that you turn and tighten on these","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":227.68,"end_s":230.64,"text":"they just have this one big stand with a button under it and","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":231.56,"end_s":238.78,"text":"What that allows you to do is you press the button and you can increase the angle or lower it just like that","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":238.94,"end_s":245.46,"text":"There's only one dimension to it You you know the extra jank of the ergo docs allows you to put all sorts of different angles","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":245.46,"end_s":248.46,"text":"But this is just up and down this way which is","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":249.38,"end_s":251.38,"text":"Unpronating your arms","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":252.5,"end_s":258.06,"text":"Unpinching that tissue so I would probably just tent it to the max look at that looks cool","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":258.14,"end_s":262.06,"text":"So that's a cool profile if you guys could see what I see from this way like","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":262.98,"end_s":265.14,"text":"It's neat and finally","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":266.14,"end_s":268.9,"text":"What's the deal with these contoured key wells?","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":269.9,"end_s":275.18,"text":"Well, that is because Your fingers don't have to sit on the keyboard like that","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":275.22,"end_s":280.7,"text":"They get to rest in a natural state like this and not only that look out look at the variation in","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":281.38,"end_s":288.58,"text":"the key heights What they're trying to do there is have it so that the keys are at a consistent distance","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":289.02,"end_s":293.18,"text":"From your finger as it sweeps in its range of motion. It should be able to touch all those keys","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":293.18,"end_s":297.3,"text":"They're all right there. See like this number keys farther away, but it's also sticking out more","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":298.02,"end_s":301.62,"text":"So my finger doesn't have to reach a crazy amount to get to it. It's just awesome","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":301.62,"end_s":307.54,"text":"They thought it through if you're someone who's suffering from an RSI or trying to prevent one and that is your number one thing","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":307.54,"end_s":312.54,"text":"This is probably or at least this brand is probably the ergo keyboard to go with they really thought it through","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":313.58,"end_s":318.14,"text":"That doesn't mean I don't have problems with it, which we'll get to in a bit, but first let's continue the","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":318.86,"end_s":323.22,"text":"Journey of discovery here. You can see there's a power on switch for each one","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":323.22,"end_s":330.46,"text":"There's also a USB-C port for each one if you're running with that bridge accessory does I think he'd click it onto the","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":330.9,"end_s":334.9,"text":"tent boy","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":335.66,"end_s":339.82,"text":"And then you've just got one unit that's pretty cool","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":339.82,"end_s":344.06,"text":"But I like it to be a little turned in so I probably wouldn't use this","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":345.02,"end_s":350.9,"text":"Yeah Keyboard does not come with a dongle. It's Bluetooth, which is okay. I","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":352.06,"end_s":357.54,"text":"Do like to have a dongle a little lower latency and just kind of simpler setup. You just leave that thing in your computer","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":359.26,"end_s":363.46,"text":"Keyboard is available with multiple different switch types from the store. However","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":364.86,"end_s":367.38,"text":"They're not hot swappable which is","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":368.1,"end_s":371.46,"text":"Sad you can't put any keys which you want on here","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":371.46,"end_s":375.94,"text":"So you do have a little bit of a selection these ones that comes with these browns. They're not cherry MX browns","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":375.94,"end_s":382.9,"text":"Or Gateron Browns It's one of those things these keyboards ergo keyboards often have a hefty price tag","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":382.9,"end_s":388.32,"text":"And you kind of just wish that you got everything under the sun for that price like and hot swappable","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":388.42,"end_s":395.82,"text":"Key switches is just cool to have and if I'm spending so much for a keyboard be nice for it to be not just my","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":396.46,"end_s":401.18,"text":"Ergo keyboard, but also my enthusiast keyboard like let me put freaking pandas in here","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":402.02,"end_s":406.34,"text":"But alas, I would say that's a through line of my criticisms for this thing overall","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":406.7,"end_s":413.86,"text":"During filming Kinesis added the advantage 360 signature to their lineup where an aftermarket outfitter called upgrade keyboards calm","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":413.86,"end_s":419.62,"text":"We'll build you a 360 or 360 pro with purportedly any switch you want and","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":420.14,"end_s":424.34,"text":"Cool other upgrades as long as you're willing to wait up to six months","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":424.78,"end_s":430.18,"text":"One thing that I love to have in an ergonomic keyboard is thumb clusters, which is what you have here","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":430.18,"end_s":437.66,"text":"Their philosophy at Kinesis is why let your little pinky do so much heavy lifting on a keyboard","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":437.86,"end_s":443.98,"text":"When your thumbs are way stronger let them do repetitive tasks like spacebar back speed space delete and","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":444.78,"end_s":449.98,"text":"Why not chuck in some other lesser-known keys like paging up and home and end. 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Is it right here beside a no that's escape","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":480.62,"end_s":485.94,"text":"The philosophy of Kinesis is like they're trying to make the most ergonomic keyboard possible","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":485.94,"end_s":491.62,"text":"They want to have everything within reach of the home row and if there's keys that are not within reach then they go","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":491.62,"end_s":497.02,"text":"Into a second layer you hit some key press and then you're on a layer that has all your numpad for example","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":497.02,"end_s":502.54,"text":"If I show you the K key, there's a second legend on the bottom of it indicating that it's the number five","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":502.58,"end_s":510.06,"text":"Which is super cool got your F keys on a layer underneath the number keys and that's all gravy if you get used to it","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":510.06,"end_s":514.42,"text":"I don't want to get used to it. I never ever want to switch layers. I want more keys","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":515.06,"end_s":520.58,"text":"And that's because I don't have an RSI. I'm using ergonomic keyboards to prevent RSI's and","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":521.66,"end_s":527.7,"text":"Because I don't actually have an injury. I'm willing to like sacrifice some ergonomics for extra productivity","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":528.26,"end_s":534.38,"text":"So my preference would be if they made a I would love for them to make a keyboard that also had F keys up here","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":534.38,"end_s":541.38,"text":"And just maybe it's just a couple more keys So they don't have to do things like move escape down to over here and caps over here","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":541.38,"end_s":545.5,"text":"What were they thinking and I hate these arrow keys that are divided you see they've got","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":546.02,"end_s":552.5,"text":"You're supposed to go way down here and use these fingers for the left and right arrows and use your whole other hand for the up and down","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":552.5,"end_s":557.18,"text":"Arrows, I don't like that I want to see all the arrows in a normal cluster in a normal orientation","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":557.82,"end_s":564.26,"text":"Because you spend years working in retail getting muscle memory for the arrow keys gaming getting muscle memory for the arrow keys to","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":564.42,"end_s":569.5,"text":"Re-learn stuff like that is brutal in the case of hotkeys. I want to use the same muscle memory","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":569.5,"end_s":572.62,"text":"I already use on my laptop, which I might be using","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":573.3,"end_s":576.82,"text":"While I also have this keyboard in my life, you know, we're multi-device people","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":577.06,"end_s":580.3,"text":"You got to switch between and I have no problem switching between","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":580.9,"end_s":586.22,"text":"Ortho linear keyboards like this with the up and down keys and using my thumbs and then going to my laptop","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":586.22,"end_s":592.94,"text":"It's different enough that I actually don't have a problem switching between but switching the muscle memory of hotkeys is a big deal","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":593.46,"end_s":598.06,"text":"So why not just reprogram the keyboard? That's easy to do on most keyboards, right?","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":598.46,"end_s":605.54,"text":"Indeed, you are right except for this keyboard this specific keyboard if you get the advantage 360 non-pro","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":605.82,"end_s":611.82,"text":"That's a USB version you plug that poppy in it actually has a different and much easier to use","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":612.26,"end_s":618.54,"text":"Keyboard reprogramming software with this particular pro board. They're like, hey, you're a pro","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":619.02,"end_s":621.94,"text":"You're such a pro that instead of having a nice gooey","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":622.3,"end_s":627.78,"text":"That's just like on our website for you to reprogram your keyboard like a or a docks might you actually have to go to their","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":627.9,"end_s":634.66,"text":"GitHub and fork their GitHub in order to reprogram this thing, which is doable and they have an instruction guide on how to do it","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":634.66,"end_s":638.42,"text":"It's just not like I just don't get it on the one hand","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":638.42,"end_s":645.1,"text":"Is there customer people who are like are not keyboard enthusiasts, but just need ergonomic keyboards to service their injuries if it is","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":645.7,"end_s":650.78,"text":"Why are you expecting those people to go and be power users on your get repository?","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":651.3,"end_s":656.94,"text":"That's two different users. I don't get it. I think that all their keyboard should have easy remapping","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":657.54,"end_s":664.5,"text":"Since it's so important on a on a smaller non-standard layout where you're gonna want to customize it your way","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":664.94,"end_s":670.58,"text":"Especially with thumb clusters make it easy for us guys another issue. I have is that","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":671.18,"end_s":677.06,"text":"It's not RGB Seems like a stupid thing again. It's an Ergo keyboard. Why does it need it?","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":677.06,"end_s":682.5,"text":"It does have a backlight on the pro model. There is a global white","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":683.18,"end_s":686.34,"text":"Backlight which you can turn it up and down you hold down the mod button and","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":687.22,"end_s":692.78,"text":"Error down and up, but you see that going off and on. Yeah, I can see it up here","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":694.5,"end_s":697.22,"text":"But why not have that RGB for a price of","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":698.5,"end_s":706.58,"text":"$480 Yes, it's $480 the non-pro model is $450 so that's my thing you guys","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":706.7,"end_s":711.98,"text":"It's very expensive and you can't put a price on health and that's their aim is solving your health problems","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":712.5,"end_s":716.02,"text":"It's almost a medical device. You could probably write it off. So it's cool","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":716.02,"end_s":720.74,"text":"I just wish it was be it went beyond that and could be also my enthusiast keyboard","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":720.78,"end_s":723.7,"text":"so for those prices like yeah throwing some RGB and","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":724.46,"end_s":729.7,"text":"Like cuz why not? It's cool that you can have five different profiles for attaching Bluetooth","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":730.1,"end_s":732.86,"text":"It's cool that there's multiple layers of keyboard","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":733.7,"end_s":737.82,"text":"Profiles you can connect to it or program into it beyond just the standard three","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":738.9,"end_s":741.14,"text":"Profiles that are included. It's cool that it has","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":742.5,"end_s":747.14,"text":"this easy to use tenting system and it's cool that it's like the most ergonomic thing ever","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":747.94,"end_s":753.7,"text":"but I just wish they had like a Middle ground keyboard that had all these benefits","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":753.7,"end_s":760.58,"text":"But just like an extra row keys over here Maybe some macro keys on the side and and let every user have the cheap and easy","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":761.3,"end_s":766.9,"text":"non-power user reprogrammability And then it would be my perfect keyboard and I would put it on my desk","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":766.98,"end_s":774.82,"text":"But until that day I'm stuck using the truly ergonomic cleave keyboard with its optical switches and you know, it's flat","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":775.7,"end_s":781.14,"text":"It's not everything I want. I want it plus this smashed together and like an external","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":781.54,"end_s":785.06,"text":"Keypad, I'd probably put like a little keypad in the middle here or something like that, but","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":786.1,"end_s":791.78,"text":"Anyways, thanks for watching guys If you like this video, maybe you go down memory lane and check out all the other weird ear girl keyboards","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":791.78,"end_s":793.78,"text":"We've covered over the years","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0}],"full_text":"Veteran viewers know that I have a bit of a history with ergonomic keyboards But it all started with the Kinesis Advantage 2. This is the Advantage 360 Professional there's also a non-professional which is basically a souped-up version of that same keyboard I saw back then so the question is what's new what does it come with and will I switch to it? I do currently use and have used for several years a similar but different Ergonomic keyboard inside the box We have two key modules with bubble wrap for the children as well as a box of accessories You get a key cap puller, but not a key switch puller more on that later You get a USB A to C cable for connecting the keyboard to your PC. They even have Advantage 360 branded cable ties pretty cool. Maybe six feet long. I'm not six feet tall So, you know, I can't grab that wide a bridge connector Basically a piece of plastic says 360 on it and it holds the two key modules together more on that later Some extra key caps with this model. These are shine through ABS caps on the non professional They're actually double shot PBT caps weird that you get different key caps But that's what the $30 difference gets you a baby and a quick start guide. Let's look at the modules Don't give these to your kids to play with but they're so fun These are so awesome. They have a great weight to them. They have very high quality plastics They don't feel 3d printed at all. Like they look pretty modern I remember the advantage to was like had a great ergonomic innovations But it's kind of just a weird like 80s feeling keyboard even though it wasn't but this is nice Now let's talk about the features first of all It's split and that gives you a lot of flexibility because you can put them close together You can put them far apart and this allows you to have whatever kind of ergonomic setup for your shoulders that you need So you can turn them like that Have it like that, which is nice and that's gonna reduce what's called all-in-one deviation Which is when your hands go like this if you're like squished in on a cordy keyboard kind of like that with a split keyboard You can tilt them in Put your elbows on the table That's great It also gives you the freedom to put your mouse where you want believe it or not Some people may choose to spread the modules like this and put the mouse in the middle And what that does is it prevents them from reaching way over here for their mouse Which can cause shoulder and neck strain. That's the name of the game ergonomics We're trying to reduce prevent or heal from repetitive stress injuries And there's a few different ways you can get them all in deviation shoulder strain another way you can develop in RSI's from having too much brisk extension. This is flexion. This is extension and that hurts And normally it's because your hands are on your desk if your keyboard has those little legs on the back that make it tilt up I used to always use those once I got educated I stop because that's extension these you have the option of extending your wrist because the wrist pad is built onto the key module itself It just like forces you look how neutral my wrist is there It's just straight and not only that they sell an optional sold separately accessory for $25 and It's attaches on with magnets. It's so awesome and slick It's very cushy and plush and I actually recommend getting it if you're in the market for this keyboard I probably would get the wrist pads. They're awesome The next thing is pronation which is when your hands are like this the two bones in your ARM the radius and the ulna They scissor and they pinch tissue This is the one that I feel the most and this is also the way that this keyboard has improved probably the most like I've used Keyboards from ergo docs which are really cool, but their tending system is so much more finicky You have these little legs kicking off every direction that you turn and tighten on these they just have this one big stand with a button under it and What that allows you to do is you press the button and you can increase the angle or lower it just like that There's only one dimension to it You you know the extra jank of the ergo docs allows you to put all sorts of different angles But this is just up and down this way which is Unpronating your arms Unpinching that tissue so I would probably just tent it to the max look at that looks cool So that's a cool profile if you guys could see what I see from this way like It's neat and finally What's the deal with these contoured key wells? Well, that is because Your fingers don't have to sit on the keyboard like that They get to rest in a natural state like this and not only that look out look at the variation in the key heights What they're trying to do there is have it so that the keys are at a consistent distance From your finger as it sweeps in its range of motion. It should be able to touch all those keys They're all right there. See like this number keys farther away, but it's also sticking out more So my finger doesn't have to reach a crazy amount to get to it. It's just awesome They thought it through if you're someone who's suffering from an RSI or trying to prevent one and that is your number one thing This is probably or at least this brand is probably the ergo keyboard to go with they really thought it through That doesn't mean I don't have problems with it, which we'll get to in a bit, but first let's continue the Journey of discovery here. You can see there's a power on switch for each one There's also a USB-C port for each one if you're running with that bridge accessory does I think he'd click it onto the tent boy And then you've just got one unit that's pretty cool But I like it to be a little turned in so I probably wouldn't use this Yeah Keyboard does not come with a dongle. It's Bluetooth, which is okay. I Do like to have a dongle a little lower latency and just kind of simpler setup. You just leave that thing in your computer Keyboard is available with multiple different switch types from the store. However They're not hot swappable which is Sad you can't put any keys which you want on here So you do have a little bit of a selection these ones that comes with these browns. They're not cherry MX browns Or Gateron Browns It's one of those things these keyboards ergo keyboards often have a hefty price tag And you kind of just wish that you got everything under the sun for that price like and hot swappable Key switches is just cool to have and if I'm spending so much for a keyboard be nice for it to be not just my Ergo keyboard, but also my enthusiast keyboard like let me put freaking pandas in here But alas, I would say that's a through line of my criticisms for this thing overall During filming Kinesis added the advantage 360 signature to their lineup where an aftermarket outfitter called upgrade keyboards calm We'll build you a 360 or 360 pro with purportedly any switch you want and Cool other upgrades as long as you're willing to wait up to six months One thing that I love to have in an ergonomic keyboard is thumb clusters, which is what you have here Their philosophy at Kinesis is why let your little pinky do so much heavy lifting on a keyboard When your thumbs are way stronger let them do repetitive tasks like spacebar back speed space delete and Why not chuck in some other lesser-known keys like paging up and home and end. I really like that approach I will not use an Ergo keyboard that doesn't have thumb clusters. It's just so sweet the keyboard that I have in my desk I personally use space and Backspace and delete and enter all on my thumbs and having backspace in particular on the thumb rather than I used to use my pinky up here Like reaching over there so much better highly recommend. However, you will see that there's other elements of this Keyboard layout that are non-standard for example. Where's the caps lock button? Is it right here beside a no that's escape The philosophy of Kinesis is like they're trying to make the most ergonomic keyboard possible They want to have everything within reach of the home row and if there's keys that are not within reach then they go Into a second layer you hit some key press and then you're on a layer that has all your numpad for example If I show you the K key, there's a second legend on the bottom of it indicating that it's the number five Which is super cool got your F keys on a layer underneath the number keys and that's all gravy if you get used to it I don't want to get used to it. I never ever want to switch layers. I want more keys And that's because I don't have an RSI. I'm using ergonomic keyboards to prevent RSI's and Because I don't actually have an injury. I'm willing to like sacrifice some ergonomics for extra productivity So my preference would be if they made a I would love for them to make a keyboard that also had F keys up here And just maybe it's just a couple more keys So they don't have to do things like move escape down to over here and caps over here What were they thinking and I hate these arrow keys that are divided you see they've got You're supposed to go way down here and use these fingers for the left and right arrows and use your whole other hand for the up and down Arrows, I don't like that I want to see all the arrows in a normal cluster in a normal orientation Because you spend years working in retail getting muscle memory for the arrow keys gaming getting muscle memory for the arrow keys to Re-learn stuff like that is brutal in the case of hotkeys. I want to use the same muscle memory I already use on my laptop, which I might be using While I also have this keyboard in my life, you know, we're multi-device people You got to switch between and I have no problem switching between Ortho linear keyboards like this with the up and down keys and using my thumbs and then going to my laptop It's different enough that I actually don't have a problem switching between but switching the muscle memory of hotkeys is a big deal So why not just reprogram the keyboard? That's easy to do on most keyboards, right? Indeed, you are right except for this keyboard this specific keyboard if you get the advantage 360 non-pro That's a USB version you plug that poppy in it actually has a different and much easier to use Keyboard reprogramming software with this particular pro board. They're like, hey, you're a pro You're such a pro that instead of having a nice gooey That's just like on our website for you to reprogram your keyboard like a or a docks might you actually have to go to their GitHub and fork their GitHub in order to reprogram this thing, which is doable and they have an instruction guide on how to do it It's just not like I just don't get it on the one hand Is there customer people who are like are not keyboard enthusiasts, but just need ergonomic keyboards to service their injuries if it is Why are you expecting those people to go and be power users on your get repository? That's two different users. I don't get it. I think that all their keyboard should have easy remapping Since it's so important on a on a smaller non-standard layout where you're gonna want to customize it your way Especially with thumb clusters make it easy for us guys another issue. I have is that It's not RGB Seems like a stupid thing again. It's an Ergo keyboard. Why does it need it? It does have a backlight on the pro model. There is a global white Backlight which you can turn it up and down you hold down the mod button and Error down and up, but you see that going off and on. Yeah, I can see it up here But why not have that RGB for a price of $480 Yes, it's $480 the non-pro model is $450 so that's my thing you guys It's very expensive and you can't put a price on health and that's their aim is solving your health problems It's almost a medical device. You could probably write it off. So it's cool I just wish it was be it went beyond that and could be also my enthusiast keyboard so for those prices like yeah throwing some RGB and Like cuz why not? It's cool that you can have five different profiles for attaching Bluetooth It's cool that there's multiple layers of keyboard Profiles you can connect to it or program into it beyond just the standard three Profiles that are included. It's cool that it has this easy to use tenting system and it's cool that it's like the most ergonomic thing ever but I just wish they had like a Middle ground keyboard that had all these benefits But just like an extra row keys over here Maybe some macro keys on the side and and let every user have the cheap and easy non-power user reprogrammability And then it would be my perfect keyboard and I would put it on my desk But until that day I'm stuck using the truly ergonomic cleave keyboard with its optical switches and you know, it's flat It's not everything I want. I want it plus this smashed together and like an external Keypad, I'd probably put like a little keypad in the middle here or something like that, but Anyways, thanks for watching guys If you like this video, maybe you go down memory lane and check out all the other weird ear girl keyboards We've covered over the years"}