1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:07,720 i'm really excited about this video guys if you believe what Intel tells you 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:12,719 you'd think that this core i9 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:15,280 9900k 8-core processor is a 95-watt CPU 4 00:00:12,719 --> 00:00:21,560 while if you believe what AMD tells you you'd believe that this ryzen 7 3800x 5 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:27,199 also eight core processor is a 105 watt CPU 6 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:30,720 so then clearly if AMD's number is 7 00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:33,200 higher and Intel's number is lower 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:36,079 that Ryzen CPU it's gonna run hotter and kick more heat out into your room 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:41,920 right actually not necessarily so as it turns 10 00:00:38,879 --> 00:00:44,640 out there is no industry standard way 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:50,160 that we can all agree on of reporting the power consumption or the TDP of a 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,920 computer processor so those numbers that i was talking about 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:57,600 before well it turns out it's up to third parties in the media to 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:05,680 investigate who is representing their product realistically and who is 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,680 painting a rosier picture than reality 16 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:15,439 well get on with it then so on our table here 17 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:19,759 we've got two benches one for team blue one for team red with our eight core 18 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:23,119 cpus installed to keep everything equal we're running our memory at the same 19 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:28,880 speed between them and they're each running a fresh install right yes fresh 20 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:30,799 os install on a pci express gen 3 drive 21 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:34,799 remember guys Intel doesn't have a consumer PCIe gen 4 chipset yet now 22 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:41,280 here's the tricky part measuring the total thermal energy 23 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:44,000 output of a CPU is not as simple as just 24 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:48,240 strapping the same cooler onto them running prime 95 and then recording the 25 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:53,439 temperature because of differences in die size ihs 26 00:01:51,200 --> 00:02:00,560 solder quality software reporting accuracy etc it's actually possible for 27 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:03,680 a processor to be outputting more heat 28 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,520 while registering a lower temperature 29 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:10,959 or vice versa so what Anthony's been working on 30 00:02:08,399 --> 00:02:17,040 is a way to instead capture as much of the heat from our 31 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,400 processors as possible into a known 32 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:23,599 thermal mass then measure the Ryzen temperature of 33 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:29,200 our thermal mass rather than the reported temperature of 34 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:32,879 our CPU now before we can do this we have to prepare a couple of things 35 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:37,680 normally you'd never insulate the back of your motherboard and it's power delivery components that's a great 36 00:02:35,519 --> 00:02:41,440 recipe for premature failure but we want as much of the heat going into our 37 00:02:38,959 --> 00:02:45,519 thermal mass to be from the CPU as possible so 38 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:49,120 sorry motherboard times two 39 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:54,319 we also need to insulate our mint julep cup here that way we can plot the change 40 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:59,040 in the water's temperature over time without worrying so much about the heat 41 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,800 that we are losing to the surrounding environment through the metal walls of 42 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:06,000 our cup not all containers have insulated walls like the LTT water 43 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,760 bottle which keeps your drink cold on a hot day lttstore.com 44 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:14,720 now let's take a look at how we're mounting our thermal capture device to the CPU honestly even compared to zip 45 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:20,239 ties this is going to be pretty sketchy but we need to make sure that we could see 46 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:25,040 the coolant inside while maintaining the same mounting pressure on both systems 47 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:29,599 and a weighted piece of glass ticked both of those boxes 48 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:33,440 now you guys might be wondering if all we need is a thermal mass 49 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:38,400 why use water why not just put a big hunk of metal 50 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:44,959 with an embedded thermal probe on top of the CPU and the answer of course is that 51 00:03:42,239 --> 00:03:49,760 that's not nearly as much fun to look at enter thermochromic ink this stuff comes 52 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:53,680 from lcr hall crest and it's called chromogen and what it does is once the 53 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:57,680 water reaches 80 degrees celsius the ink will begin to change color from white to 54 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,799 black basically whoever hits that point first is outputting the most heat since 55 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,239 this is permanent we'll have to be sure to add the same amount for each run uh 56 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:09,120 we didn't bring a syringe so do you want to just pour a cap full uh yeah sure i 57 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:09,120 can try okay sure 58 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,439 and it goes whoa 59 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:19,040 give a little mix with our k-type probe that's what those are for right yeah and 60 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:22,959 we'll go ahead and don't get cut by the edges of this glass please 61 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:31,520 so we've got just about 300 milliliters of water in 62 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:38,320 there and then our ink probably puts us somewhere in the neighborhood of about 63 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:42,960 325s about a tablespoon of ink 64 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:45,040 so ah let's go ahead and turn on the 65 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:49,759 machine that sounds like an idea 66 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,720 not sure if it's a good idea all right let's fire up our thermal 67 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,000 probe here 10 degrees so you guys might have 68 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,199 noticed that our coolant is pretty chilly that's because we put it in the 69 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,639 fridge before we started to make sure we had a little bit of time to boot up the 70 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:07,759 system before we needed to start the test so the plan is to hit go on blender here 71 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,960 at exactly 22 degrees celsius so i'm gonna go ahead and hit it with uh with a 72 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:15,440 load here to try and heat up our water a bit okay 73 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:20,000 so we ran into a slight problem the instant we fire up any kind of CPU 74 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:24,639 intensive load our processor temperatures go to 75 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:28,400 thermal throttling territory boom which means that we are not getting the full 76 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:33,840 power out of the chip because it's holding itself back we unfortunately 77 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:36,960 selected a stainless steel vessel for 78 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:38,400 our water and dye solution 79 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:44,160 but no worries the good folks at madrina's have us covered they shipped us these weird 80 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:51,160 camping cups and alex found one so we are going to uh convert this 81 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,160 to be our cooler now 82 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:05,880 do you think it's steel do we have a magnet that won't tell us if it's stainless steel wish us luck 83 00:06:06,479 --> 00:06:13,199 so good news and bad news alex good news is i removed the bottom of the cup the 84 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:17,120 bad news is there is a whole lot of space in between the one 85 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,800 bottom and the other more different bottom cup number two 86 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,360 there we go okay so 87 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:33,680 after a bit of milling alex has gotten us this little disc here and as you can 88 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:39,440 see it's got a little bit of a cut out here on the inside and what we can do is 89 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,639 just slot our cup right into that mix 90 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:45,039 this up put it around the edge and it should be 91 00:06:42,479 --> 00:06:50,240 watertight within about 20 minutes i never said i was good at arts and 92 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:51,120 crafts i am measuring out 93 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:58,080 wait why is this milky 94 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,080 oh wait what it was in the cap 95 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:05,759 so we're back 300 mils of water oh wow we kind of 96 00:07:04,479 --> 00:07:10,479 need more now so we're back 97 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:15,599 400 milliliters of water later we have a slightly larger vessel this time let's 98 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:18,639 use this cap this time let's put on some fresh thermal compound i see you just 99 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:21,680 cleaned it off okay it's a little on the heavy side but 100 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:25,919 should be okay and 101 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:29,039 schwippity schwampty does it fit 102 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:34,160 please tell me it doesn't interfere with anything well there's only one way to 103 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:37,199 find out let's fire this mess up are we missing anything 104 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:42,080 um aside from like the probe the glass 105 00:07:40,479 --> 00:07:46,160 yeah aside from that no i just want to know if it thermal throttles 106 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:53,840 well we're not going to have the mounting pressure ah that's fine i can just push on it 107 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:55,280 show me the blender 108 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:59,520 that looks like good news CPU temperature is actually reasonable 109 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:02,720 35 is way too high yep thermal throttling i don't think 110 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:06,240 it's making proper contact uh that's fine i can just push on it 111 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:10,160 all right i sanded off the side let's see if it's a 112 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:15,120 contact error or if we just have a different problem 113 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:20,800 so it looks like it actually is working 114 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:25,919 but we just need a little bit of coolant flow within the container 115 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:29,120 and that dramatically affects our CPU temps 116 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:35,120 and then once it's moving the heat from the CPU causes more 117 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:37,839 convection yeah we are turboing to 4.0 118 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:42,800 4.1 gigahertz across all cores right now so we may be in business although 119 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:47,519 i have a new problem um that i identified if we actually wait until the 120 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:52,720 coolant reaches 80 degrees no matter which CPU it is it will have 121 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:54,880 long thermal throttle before then 122 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:58,160 right right so 123 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:02,480 i was trying to avoid this but we are just going to do this 124 00:08:59,839 --> 00:09:07,600 the simple way with a very short loop we've got a reservoir a pump and a CPU 125 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:11,519 block no radiator no fans because remember we want our water to absorb the 126 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:16,399 heat and we want to track the changes in temperature over time 127 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:20,560 now we do introduce the variable of our pump actually giving off some heat into 128 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:25,360 the loop but given how significant our CPU is as a heat source 129 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,880 i don't expect it to cause too many problems with that said i predicted lots 130 00:09:27,839 --> 00:09:32,080 of things today that weren't going to cause too many problems and 131 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:35,480 yet here we are 132 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:43,760 so are we going to run the reservoir without the cap on yes 133 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:46,000 why don't we start with 500 mils 134 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,399 that should be a pretty good amount for this loop actually that might be too 135 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:51,839 much 400 mils here we go 136 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,920 ah crap is it leaking 137 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:05,279 no it's just not a lot of water so that was what 250 138 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:08,480 mils it's a cup yes 139 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:14,640 something went right so let's do a quick cinebench r20 run 140 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,959 our coolant temperature is 16.5 degrees 141 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:21,680 which means we've still got time we are turboing over 4 gigahertz we're 142 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:26,640 at about 4.2 and our hottest core is about 51 degrees right now so this is 143 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:31,200 exactly the behavior that we are looking for so 144 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:35,519 we've decided we're gonna formally start our graphs 145 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:39,200 once the CPU hits 100 load and it begins actually 146 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:42,800 completing the render so that put us at it somewhere in the neighborhood of 147 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:47,440 around 28 degrees so now all we got to do is strap in and 148 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:51,279 see how long this takes before it gets hot 149 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:56,640 so it's been about uh five minutes of actual render now and 150 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:58,959 we're up to about 43 degrees we need uh 151 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,920 we need another 35 degrees and then theoretically this will 152 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:05,839 turn black it'll be pretty sick 153 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:11,680 unfortunately we only have about another 25 degrees to go before we thermal 154 00:11:07,839 --> 00:11:15,200 throttle so it might go a little slower 155 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:17,360 for that last 10 degrees yeah 156 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:21,680 what's it currently sitting at 75-ish what's the clock 157 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:26,079 4.2 4.1 4.2 158 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:30,160 that's a little high i think it's 159 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,720 multi-core enhancement enabled oh 160 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:37,600 well we were planning to run it twice anyway weren't we yeah 161 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:41,279 oh wait well hold on a second we were chit-chatting there and well 162 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:46,000 this color change die sucks because it starts changing colors at like 163 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:50,320 60 degrees well unless it got hotter in the blog so why don't we just ride this 164 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:53,519 out to 100 degrees when the CPU starts really thermal throttling and then we'll 165 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:59,440 just plot it yeah so we are on the brink of thermal 166 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,279 throttling now our coolant is at 68 degrees 167 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:06,800 uh core number two is at 99 degrees we're actually still running at 3.8 to 3.9 168 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,560 gigahertz so uh 169 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:14,639 pad respect for that i guess but we're gonna have to shut this experiment down 170 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:19,600 pretty quickly of course though we would be remiss if we didn't wait until 171 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:26,880 uh we got another 0.3 degrees on here and then we can let it 172 00:12:22,839 --> 00:12:29,279 end so we made yet another observation 173 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,839 this time it was that the settings that our CPU was running at 174 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:38,720 weren't really stock and they weren't really multi-core 175 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:43,040 enhancement either what the why is this a greater volume of water this time 176 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:46,959 i could have sworn it was oh wait did i say 350 mils last time i might have 177 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,880 missed a hundred mils there let me put in exactly 100 mils and see if that 178 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:55,200 makes up the difference nope that weren't it 179 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:59,120 absorb absorb my pretty 180 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,800 this is not going to be in the video okay so a couple rough things happened 181 00:13:00,959 --> 00:13:08,079 yesterday did this system just hard reset what 182 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:12,720 all right so we learned a lot yesterday we got this cool graph of our water 183 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:17,120 temperature over time and all that good stuff but even just on Intel alone 184 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:22,560 that's not the complete story because yesterday we were running the default 185 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,959 behavior so Intel's stock with multi-core enhancement disabled but a 186 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:33,600 multi-core enhancement allows your CPU to boost for a longer period of time so 187 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:37,519 for this run here we have enabled multi-core enhancement and we're going 188 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:41,279 to go ahead and hit it again once we hit 22 degrees 189 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:47,519 round number two here we go we're turboing to 4.7 4.8 ish 190 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:51,040 seems good we're not expecting a difference here though we're just 191 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:55,839 expecting it to stay at its maximum turbo frequencies for 192 00:13:53,200 --> 00:14:00,800 longer come on baby five start blending me 193 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:06,079 six seven eight nine there it goes 27.5 okay good enough 194 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:10,480 all right let's see how she heats up 195 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:16,639 now this is weird we're only about a minute into our render and our slowest 196 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,240 cores are already sitting at 4.1 197 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:22,240 gigahertz that's not very enhancing is it no 198 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,880 that's like slightly behanced still i don't remember 199 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:31,120 seeing 4.1 at this stage of the game last time around no 4.1 didn't happen 200 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:35,680 until like i want to say 10 minutes in 201 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:38,880 okay so as you can see our liquid turned dark and that means that this test is 202 00:14:38,079 --> 00:14:42,880 done uh it hit 69 degrees like our last one 203 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:47,519 at about 16 16 and a half minutes for now it 204 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:51,440 looks like multi-core enhancement did nothing more than increase the thermals 205 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,600 weird now i just need to take my ice water 206 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:01,920 fill it up and fire it up we are using xmp i figure 207 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,680 that with AMD cpus anyway 208 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:08,240 the performance of the CPU and therefore how hot it gets it's going to be broadly 209 00:15:05,839 --> 00:15:13,360 determined by the speed of the RAM so if we use 2133 memory or something 210 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:17,680 like that it might not be a fair test it's actually a little funny it's not 211 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:21,279 warming up as fast as the Intel CPU did 212 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:23,519 so 21.5 i'm going to stop prime95 switch 213 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:27,000 back over to blender and then when it hits 22 i'm gonna start 214 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:32,959 it off 4.1 gigahertz and only 215 00:15:30,079 --> 00:15:35,920 42 degrees on our coolant that seems 216 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:40,639 pretty similar actually 217 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:44,240 similar now that i look at it yeah but it seems to be tracking a little bit 218 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:49,199 lower a little lower so we're going to need the full length 219 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,519 of our run in order to find out 220 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:56,000 whether or not AMD is actually 221 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:59,360 outputting less heat here okay so we're almost 222 00:15:56,959 --> 00:16:05,600 11 minutes into our test at this point our water is currently at about 56 223 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:07,040 degrees celsius now if we check and see 224 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:13,519 where we were at 11 minutes on our 9700k 225 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:17,680 it was actually 58 so we're still a couple degrees colder 226 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:23,360 it's starting to look like the uh the processors are are separating 227 00:16:20,959 --> 00:16:28,639 we're at 63.5 degrees and 228 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:30,240 15 minutes in Intel was at 66 degrees 229 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:36,560 so it looks like even given AMD's 230 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:40,959 higher rated TDP their CPU is actually outputting less 231 00:16:39,839 --> 00:16:44,800 heat one thing that we probably won't graph 232 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:51,279 just because that wasn't really the point of the video but that we thought was interesting at the end of the test 233 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:55,839 Intel had rendered around 300 tiles and change whereas even now 234 00:16:54,240 --> 00:17:01,839 almost complete on the AMD side of things we've done nearly 1900 so 235 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:06,000 that's uh well that's that's rough that's rough 236 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:11,280 what's our current time at our current time is at 20 minutes and 23 seconds 237 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:16,720 okay we're at 67.2 degrees so yes our AMD processor did output less 238 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:21,679 heat so then why is it that our results seem to differ from what both AMD and 239 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:25,839 Intel state on the packaging the answer is that it comes down to how 240 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:30,480 the two companies measure TDP Intel measures TDP based on 241 00:17:27,679 --> 00:17:34,880 recommendations for cooling solutions assuming the processor will run at its 242 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:39,360 base frequency in other words their number is intended as a guideline that 243 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:45,360 system integrators can use to avoid thermal throttling not necessarily to 244 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:50,880 allow the CPU to turbo up to its maximum all the time by contrast AMD measures 245 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:54,960 their TDP as the maximum power a processor can draw for a thermally 246 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:59,280 significant period while running a typical load and that might seem like 247 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:04,080 the same thing but thanks to precision boost it's not AMD's ryzen cpus will 248 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:10,240 attempt to run at the fastest possible speed at all times similar to a modern 249 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:12,400 GPU and this is where AMD measures their 250 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:16,480 TDP so if Intel were to measure their TDP this way they would actually have to 251 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:21,120 measure it with their turbo boost limiters disabled which would make it 252 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:24,880 measurably higher now the thing is 253 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:28,160 i don't think either of us is in a position to propose like an 254 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:32,880 industry-wide uh way of 255 00:18:29,679 --> 00:18:35,200 standardly measuring TDP clearly we're 256 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:40,000 not in that position it'd be nice though what we do know is that having everyone 257 00:18:37,679 --> 00:18:44,960 go their own way on this is harmful to consumers who use this spec as a way to 258 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:48,080 choose between one product and another so in the long term hopefully the major 259 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:52,320 players in the industry can come together and standardize on a way of 260 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:56,320 measuring but in the meantime the best advice we can give you is to just ignore 261 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:01,039 it unless you're comparing apples to apples so like within Intel's own 262 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:05,840 product lines and even hopefully the same product families and rely on 263 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:09,360 independent reviews like our recent video card buyer's guide which actually 264 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:13,919 Anthony hosted they should go check that out right yeah sure heck yeah so thanks 265 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:16,960 for watching guys hope you enjoyed it see ya