WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:08.080 allow me to put on my shill hat for a moment everyone else is going to tell 00:00:04.920 --> 00:00:10.840 you what's wrong with Intel's Ark A700 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:18.080 gpus and we're going to need to talk about that too because it's a pretty 00:00:13.799 --> 00:00:20.680 sizable list I mean we've got the a770 00:00:18.080 --> 00:00:27.400 losing to a card from almost 10 years ago in CS go how 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:31.279 embarrassing but what's this it beats 00:00:27.400 --> 00:00:34.280 NVIDIA's 3060 in fortnite it absolutely 00:00:31.279 --> 00:00:37.640 murders the Radeon 6600 in Ray traced 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:39.120 games and is available starting at just 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:45.640 around its $289 MSRP something I will never take 00:00:42.760 --> 00:00:52.480 for granted again so it's with that in mind that I want to explore a different 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:58.879 perspective one where the benefits of competition May outweigh the risk of 00:00:55.399 --> 00:01:01.840 buying into a first generation product 00:00:58.879 --> 00:01:07.759 that's right it is time to get blue pilled with me folks or not that one I 00:01:05.080 --> 00:01:13.680 meant like Intel blue though I am pretty excited right now 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:17.759 excited to tell you about our sponsor ridge ridge wallet has redefined the 00:01:16.119 --> 00:01:22.240 traditional wallet with its compact frame and RFID blocking plates because 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:29.520 the Bulge in your pants shouldn't be from your wallet use offer code Linus to 00:01:24.520 --> 00:01:29.520 save 10% and get free worldwide shipping 00:01:36.360 --> 00:01:42.720 Intel's a750 and a770 gpus are designed 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:48.960 for gaming at either 1440p with medium details or 1080p Ultra and they've got 00:01:45.880 --> 00:01:52.960 NVIDIA's RTX 3060 directly in their 00:01:48.960 --> 00:01:54.920 crosshairs or at least now they do their 00:01:52.960 --> 00:02:00.680 transistor count and power consumption are both more comparable to the RTX 00:01:57.520 --> 00:02:02.719 3070 which would indicate that in fell 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:08.000 well short of their original performance targets and is now trying to make 00:02:05.039 --> 00:02:14.280 lemonade out of these lemons but that's not our problem and from a consumer 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:18.280 standpoint they kind of did because at 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:21.840 $289 the a750 may just be the most 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:23.599 silicon per dollar ever in a GPU and 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:29.400 there are situations where it really shows check out this performance in 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:32.000 directx12 games 1080p High has NVIDIA's 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:37.519 36 taking nearly every game by a thin margin but when the resolution gets 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:39.920 cranked to 1440p at medium details it's 00:02:37.519 --> 00:02:46.560 Intel racking up small winds nearly across the board and this is against a 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:48.840 card that costs 50 to $100 more even 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:55.120 looking closer The Arc cards continue to impress five and 1% lows are very 00:02:52.519 --> 00:03:00.360 comparable to the RTX 360 which means you won't feel any extra hitching or 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:05.360 stuttering in heavy firefights and and while I was concerned that Ark might 00:03:02.720 --> 00:03:11.000 fall flat on its face in a rizzen system that wasn't the case at all oh and as an 00:03:07.959 --> 00:03:15.720 extra bonus Ark murders the more price 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:17.879 comparable RTX 3050 isn't competition 00:03:15.720 --> 00:03:22.080 great this is the point in the video where Intel's employees and shareholders 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:27.159 might want to stop watching cuz we're about to look at some games that aren't 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:29.239 direct X12 or Vulcan in Shadow of the 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:36.720 Tomb Raider ark's performance Falls to nearly half in direct X11 ouch and CSG 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:42.319 go a direct X9 title where Arc feels like a totally different card every time 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:46.640 you start it up with the a750 beating 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:49.760 the a770 sometimes 1440p results being 00:03:46.640 --> 00:03:51.519 higher than 1080p results and oh by the 00:03:49.760 --> 00:03:57.640 way no matter which card you're looking at they get absolutely wrecked in 00:03:53.879 --> 00:04:00.439 performance by the 3050 a flagship GPU 00:03:57.640 --> 00:04:05.720 from 9 years ago and probably a competitive Abacus user I mean what 00:04:03.200 --> 00:04:11.799 happened to crush Intel's performance in these older titles well in a nutshell 00:04:09.200 --> 00:04:19.040 Arc isn't actually running direct X9 games in direct X9 instead they're using 00:04:15.760 --> 00:04:21.959 a directx9 to directx12 translation 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:28.360 layer this works because you can turn basically any dx9 command into a string 00:04:25.320 --> 00:04:29.880 of dx12 commands which is great for 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:36.160 compatibility but in the process you are adding a 00:04:32.520 --> 00:04:38.360 buttload of CPU overhead so much that 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:43.880 any small background task can significantly affect your frame rates 00:04:41.080 --> 00:04:47.560 now because of the extremely limited time that we were given to Benchmark Arc 00:04:45.840 --> 00:04:51.919 before the Embargo lift we weren't able to test a wide variety of older games 00:04:50.280 --> 00:04:57.280 this is actually a strategy that we've seen often when a manufacturer doesn't 00:04:54.280 --> 00:04:59.199 want you to look too closely fortunately 00:04:57.280 --> 00:05:04.000 we have a solution to that tomorrow we are going to be live for hours taking 00:05:01.840 --> 00:05:09.919 requests from our community and gaming side by side on the ark a770 and RTX 360 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:15.400 so you can see how your favorite games run or if they run at all because 00:05:13.520 --> 00:05:20.199 nothing at this point is a guarantee Intel told us Point Blank that they knew 00:05:18.400 --> 00:05:24.080 about the Performance challenges of Arc in older games and they had a strategy 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:28.360 where they were going to price this generation of cards according to how 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:33.840 they would perform in a worst case scenario or or in tier three games and 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:39.319 I'm not going to go as far as to say that Intel lied which would imply a 00:05:36.479 --> 00:05:44.560 premeditated intention to deceive but what I do have to say is that these csgo 00:05:41.880 --> 00:05:49.720 results show that they did not follow through on this I mean charitably we 00:05:47.520 --> 00:05:55.960 could say that the ark gets half of the performance of an RTX 3060 though at 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:59.680 108p it's more like a third so even if 00:05:55.960 --> 00:06:03.800 we're looking at a $400 RTX 3060 these 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:06.400 A700 series gpus should be at most 200 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:12.440 bucks but if we go back to that die siize conversation I mean remember this 00:06:08.960 --> 00:06:14.680 is a GPU that is larger than a 3070 and 00:06:12.440 --> 00:06:20.440 built on tsmc's Cutting Edge and six node rather than an Intel's own Fab so 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:24.280 they can't exactly give themselves a friends and neighbors discount on the 00:06:22.080 --> 00:06:29.919 fabbing so if they went any lower they'd likely be losing money on every card 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:31.880 they sold and it gets even worse 00:06:29.919 --> 00:06:36.479 unfortunately for Intel who's trying to position themselves as the scrappy 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:42.400 Underdog undercutting NVIDIA's monopolistic pricing we already have 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:45.960 Scrappy Underdog at home it's AMD and 00:06:42.400 --> 00:06:49.240 their radon 6600 goes for about 250 00:06:45.960 --> 00:06:52.240 bucks and is able to truly trade blows 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:55.960 with the RTX 3060 without the inp 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:58.080 specific directx12 titles fine print and 00:06:55.960 --> 00:07:02.360 although AMD's software hasn't always been fantastic if our Community feedback 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:07.039 is anything to go by the last couple of years have been a real turning point and 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:12.720 their rdna 2 cards have aged like fine wine getting better with each new driver 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:16.800 update I would hope that the same will happen for Ark and we actually have seen 00:07:14.919 --> 00:07:21.319 a lot of improvement since its first outing Arc was actually impressively 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:26.319 stable for a first gen product throughout our testing but when it comes 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:30.759 to Raw performance there are clearly some problems here that can't be fixed 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:35.800 without new silicon like Intel's Reliance on resizable bar rebar as we've 00:07:34.039 --> 00:07:40.280 started calling it is a feature that allows for much larger more efficient 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:44.960 data dumps between the GPU and the system memory it's only available on 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:48.759 systems from the last few years but for most people that's not really a huge 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:56.520 deal because performance on AMD and NVIDIA cards only improves by anywhere 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:59.560 from 1 to at most about 10% for Intel on 00:07:56.520 --> 00:08:02.400 the other hand rebar is basically a NE 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:07.159 necessity performance can end up so bad without it that Intel said in their own 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:11.319 press briefing that if you don't have it you might as well get a 00:08:09.039 --> 00:08:18.159 3060 with this in mind then we point blank asked Intel why the heck would 00:08:14.080 --> 00:08:20.919 anybody buy an arc GPU over the RX 6600 00:08:18.159 --> 00:08:26.599 to which they replied that the RX 6600 doesn't have feature parody with the 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:29.520 a750 when compared to radon 6000 Intel 00:08:26.599 --> 00:08:33.680 claimed Arc has much better rate tracing AI acceleration and media encoders that 00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:40.440 make it a much closer competitor to the RTX 3060 and okay yeah if you care about 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:46.839 those things they actually have a pretty good point in Ray tracing titles the 00:08:42.959 --> 00:08:48.680 a770 is a tiny bit behind the RTX 360 00:08:46.839 --> 00:08:53.680 and in Shadow of the Tomb Raider Intel's XE super sampling or XS ended up 00:08:51.600 --> 00:09:00.800 performing very similarly to NVIDIA's dlss 2 so yes Intel you do very much 00:08:58.160 --> 00:09:05.320 have a leg up on AMD in 100% of the Strand type games on the market along 00:09:02.839 --> 00:09:09.800 with the other 20 games that actually support xss but it's clear you'll need 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:14.320 to pull some tricks out of your sleeves to get game developers to adopt xcss 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:17.320 more broadly that sleeve trick by the way is easy on our ShortCircuit hoodie 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:21.440 LTT Store.com it's not just game super 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:26.200 sampling either if you care about AI performance more generally Arc is kind 00:09:23.920 --> 00:09:30.800 of excellent and here's why traditionally Matrix operations are done 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:36.079 using a Mac or a multiply accumulate combine which is okay at traditional 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:40.839 workloads but can be pretty slow for AI on integrated Graphics Intel has a 00:09:37.920 --> 00:09:46.120 fancier way to math called DP 4A where it takes a 32-bit register and splits it 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:50.680 into 8 bit chunks allowing for four parallel operations to be performed at 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:57.120 once improving throughput by about four times the full fat Arc cards like the 00:09:54.079 --> 00:09:59.959 a750 take that to the next level with 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:05.959 xmx which allows you to do multiple multiply accumulates in parallel which 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:09.959 can improve throughput by up to 16 times 00:10:05.959 --> 00:10:12.399 in theory and in practice where the a770 00:10:09.959 --> 00:10:16.279 absolutely slaughtered the competition in topaz video enhance AI without 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:22.640 running into any of the issues that we experienced in our a370 M review Intel 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:24.399 Arc also supports NextGen av1 encoding 00:10:22.640 --> 00:10:28.959 and decoding which is particularly beneficial for streamers due to its much 00:10:26.880 --> 00:10:33.640 higher image quality at low bit rates compared to to h264 we actually have a 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:39.360 video coming up that discusses using a low-end Arc GPU as kind of an encoding 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:48.079 co-processor if you don't want to spend $900 on an RTX 47 excuse me sorry I mean 00:10:44.079 --> 00:10:51.440 480 12 gig unfortunately in more 00:10:48.079 --> 00:10:55.079 traditional h264 and h265 encoding the 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:58.240 RTX 3060 is able to handily embarrass 00:10:55.079 --> 00:11:00.920 even the top tier a770 and the same goes 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:06.000 for blender render ing though as a consolation prize Intel was at least 00:11:02.880 --> 00:11:08.120 able to beat the 3050 in blender while 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:13.360 AMD continued to make its usual excellent case for never using AMD if 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:18.320 you're a blender artist Intel also made a good case for not using archon Lin for 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:23.480 the foreseeable future sorry guys I know that you had High Hopes but currently 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:25.560 Arc only supports Colonel version 6 and 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:31.120 Intel has said that they do not plan on supporting version 5 meaning that every 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:35.200 stable version of Linux is currently not supported to put this in perspective for 00:11:33.160 --> 00:11:40.560 the non-Linux folks out there this is basically like Intel launching a product 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:43.560 but only having drivers for Windows 00:11:40.560 --> 00:11:46.160 12 oh one thing I haven't mentioned yet 00:11:43.560 --> 00:11:50.160 is that there are both 16 gig and 8 gig versions of the a770 but the reason I 00:11:48.800 --> 00:11:56.360 didn't mention that is that Intel is only doing a small run of 16 gig cards 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:59.399 and the a750 is the far more compelling 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.360 option anyway at $289 for nearly the the 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:04.320 same performance now thank you for that I'm 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:09.760 going to do something that might surprise you I'm going to ask you you 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:15.000 fine viewer of Linus Tech tips you you Savvy source of tech support for your 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:18.519 friends and family to seriously consider 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:20.800 Arc for your next GPU because somebody 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:25.000 needs to do it and it can't be your friend who's shopping for pre-builts 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:30.320 right now you do not want to help them troubleshoot random edge cases on this 00:12:26.959 --> 00:12:32.240 thing but but somebody has to do it 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:36.160 because the last few years have made it clear that NVIDIA has no qualms about 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:42.560 gouging their customers when there's a shortage or no shortage and the thing is 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:47.839 that everyone says they want more competition but then they go ahead and 00:12:44.680 --> 00:12:50.160 just buy the NVIDIA GPU and hey thanks 00:12:47.839 --> 00:12:54.680 AMD for keeping Team Green honest glad you exist except when you don't keep 00:12:52.360 --> 00:13:00.600 Team Green honest because you also like to jack up your prices and sell to 00:12:56.680 --> 00:13:02.800 crypto miners so there it is if you're 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:07.360 the technical type and don't mind rolling the dice once in a while I'm 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:11.680 asking you to give Intel Arc a shot you might not get as many FPS but I think 00:13:10.040 --> 00:13:15.800 it's safe to say you'll have a more interesting Hardware experience than a 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:21.600 3060 owner will you can even overclock the thing or you could just ignore my 00:13:19.079 --> 00:13:26.279 plea and wait for AMD's rdna 3 to drop so you can pick up a GPU that was 00:13:23.160 --> 00:13:28.160 designed to take on NVIDIA's 4000 series 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:31.720 instead of one that failed to take on the 3070 00:13:30.160 --> 00:13:35.399 just like I failed to segue to our sponsor nexigo if you're working from 00:13:33.920 --> 00:13:39.040 home and are in need of a new webcam nexigo has a wide variety to choose from 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:44.480 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