all right well that took a lot longer to get going than I was hoping we're having
some internet difficulties over here uh
the funny thing about it is that we've actually got two isps here one of which
is our fiber connection and the other of which is our um our cable connection and
the cable connection we were having an issue with those guys where they they
actually turned us off for about a month because we were going over our bandwidth
allotment and they were supposed to turn us off for a weekend yeah it was
supposed to be for a weekend and then they just didn't so whatever that's cool
I guess and then the fiber connection uh is just not sending any UDP packets
right now so it's TCP only which means
like very little Skype yeah not not a
whole lot we can do on that one so we're we're like trying to find a solution
here oh right right right so when our cable provider turned the internet back
back on the issue that we had with them is that they haven't put us in bridge
mode so it's our our modems acting as a
router but then it's not because our switch here isn't working and the
wireless on it isn't on and I have no idea what the username and password is
to log into it and then like I was like okay well maybe they maybe it's in
bridge mode now so I plugged in a router and then whatever so long story short
we're live now thank you guys for tuning in to the W show we've got a bunch of
great topics for you today I hope I have actually done very little of my usual
due diligence so Luke will be in charge of making sure that the show isn't a
total waste of everyone's time best part about that is that I did very little of
my usual due diligence in our defense he
was sick this
week
I it's a holiday yeah it's a holiday
today it's a stat neither of us are getting paid for this yeah I shouldn't
be here at all so nope bam there you go
uh what Wi-Fi oh right right justifications we have to tether we have
to tether to get Wii can't you just you should just be able to yeah should have
would have could have not working yeah
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years shock and awe um yeah we could be
looking at 10g Wi-Fi which is pretty darn impressive
so quantenna has announced an eight stream configuration that could be
capable of some absolutely crazy throughput and could be coming as soon
as 2015 uh what else we got Intel is
apparently losing billions on tablets and smart phones so that's worrisome
yeah or not I'm actually going to play a little bit of Devil's Advocate on that
topic later and NVIDIA has released their most epic lineup of new graphics
cards ever more on that later on in the show super performan
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at certain stuff in fact I think you were pretty surprised we been and I don't know how
much are we are we talking about the video like what we did in the video I
don't know that's like I almost just said it and then I was like wait I don't
know why why don't we talk about the video later okay okay oh we have a guest
today we haven't actually had a guest in a while so it'll be Jerry Barnacles Berg
will be joining us in a little while here we're going to call him on um the
telephone but first why don't we go through one of our topics here so oh my
goodness I don't have my
uh HDMI look guys it's a
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should be off today yeah what we're doing is illegal is it
I'm not sure I'm not paying you it's a holiday we could argue that no I think
it's technically slavery even if it's of your own valtion that you're here no
matter and Canada I don't know if that's the same everywhere else well I I
legitimately told him not to come in today and that it was fine and I would
do the show by myself I didn't want to miss two weeks in a row and he knows I'm
not capable of doing it by myself he knows that I would have had to have uh
jonfer here joner join me I can never remember I was going to say does his
name change every time well I can I can
never remember what I call him we could just call him Slender Man if you want
that's that's yeah he honestly looks like Slender Man Okay so jonfer here um
I I I think he fig Luke figured that J my shirt on I can't even get it off he's
gunning for your shirt and your job I I like I tried for a little while and was
like I'm either going to break him or I'm going to leave the shirt on and if
Luke didn't join me on the show I was going to have to have a co-host so that
was going to be pretty uncomfortable for uh you know Mr soon to be unemployed
over there so there you there you go right um have I even managed to
introduce our topics for today you did some of them did I do some of them yep
oh fantastic you started to did I start to oh no I did the whole thing I even
did the intro already I know we did the intro already I just didn't know if you
did all I didn't know if you actually did four topics the best part is that
you did different topics than I announced in the in the YouTube
announcement which know what they were oh is it up we should see if it's up
public so it should be up in theory it's up but who knows yeah it's up all right
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because it's still comfortable and doesn't quite smell bad enough yet nice
nice that's always a good benefit that is what it is all about my friend I'm
trying to get the twitch chat so I can see them but then it was like I'm not
going to load anything CU you don't have flash player installed and I'm like you can technically still load the chat and
it didn't so that sucked Max Key frame
interval is currently at 4 seconds please set it to two
seconds thank you maybe we should do an
actual topic let's do one topic and then let's bring on Jerry right so this was
originally posted on the Forum by top war gamer I'm going to go ahead and hope
that my screen sharing is working here
oh okay I have some something playing in the background here I have no oh oh it's
a yeah there we go oh turn off the twitch stream because you're on my phone
I paused it did you I just wanted this all right good enough okay because I was
worried about the phone I will settle for that um okay so posted by top war
gamer Microsoft wait what this isn't the right topic is
it what the what the broken
link what oh why did it open over there you guys
can see this right I just opened a new tab I opened a new tab in this Internet
Explorer man like what's your problem okay why are you using Internet Explorer
because you have no reason I want to give Microsoft a chance to impress me
they have ads about how Internet Explorer is not that bad anymore is that
actually their thing I think I think they did something like that like it's
or like like the campaign was like it's better than I expected or something like
that um I I don't it's so bad you know I
found one use for it okay so hold on hold on guys watch this watch this I'mma
click this thing and it opens up a tab
like over here not not at the end not at the end not right beside what he's doing
beside it but like here is that because it's categorizing
them no CU there's because there's Tech tips tab here yeah like I could there is
no justifiable reason for it to do that
anyway so top war gamer posted it the original article is from The Verge I'm
just going to go ahead and put this back and that is that the heart bleed exploit
has been in use by the NSA for years
what's up oh we got we got we got okay okay I
think our Our Guest today Barac is gonna have something to say about how great
Internet Explorer is he's he's filling our document with propaganda about how
Internet Explorer is good so anyway Bloomberg reports that the hartle bug
has been known and exploited by the NSA for at least two wait two
weeks I think that's a typo I thought that was supposed to be two years yeah I
think it was I think it was two years let's go let's go ahead and uh let's go
ahead and double check that do you want to go through the rest of be wrong but
yeah uh so according to Anonymous sources the bug was Kept Secret in the
interest of National Security good job guys we hate you um the agency was used
using it to obtain passwords and other data um it gave them access to two3 of the
web servers that are out there right now um the NSA has denied the allegations
but honestly who believes any of the crap they say lately anyways so who the
hell knows the White House has also denied the allegations which good for
you also no one is really listening to you either so yeah so there you go uh
and yes two years not two weeks that was a that was a typo in the old uh the old
dock there all right so let's bring on jar to uh to go ahead and try to justify
the existence of Internet Explorer to us here have we just done this topic
already we're just done that topic we're the the the topic is thank you NSA we
appreciate your business all right and
thank you Barnacles we appreciate your business as well tell us how fantastic
Internet Explorer is Internet Explorer is pretty fantastic guys that's why I'm
using Chrome right
now are you wearing a Microsoft shirt by any chance what's that are you wearing a
Microsoft shirt by any chance no I'm not no this is been an epic sponsor combo no
I probably have a Microsoft cup around here somewhere though I got this twitch
shirt by fanboying out at their booth at PA Prime like they didn't even know who
I was they just gave me a shirt cuz I took a picture really yeah nice I was
like I stream my new thing all the time but whatever I love your I love your
shirt Barnacles just saying oh thank You Adventure Time Is Awesome it's always an
adventure you know people say it's a stoner show
but do you agree with that it is it absolutely is because
every time I watch it I'm like I I don't understand anything like at all what's
going on I'm just like man if I was high it understand it we can watch it not
stoned but that doesn't mean that it's not catering to St people because I
guarantee you you're not understanding what's going on though are
you actually I I okay maybe maybe I'm
maybe I'm just I can generally follow it to
yeah maybe I'm just an idiot but I can mostly maybe it's because we're not
stoned maybe yeah maybe that's the
problem what came first I'm not saying anything what came first the Stoners not
understanding the show or the show becoming incomprehensible to
stoners it's like wait a second yeah
hold on you guys are breaking up a little bit sorry about that let me think about that must be my awesome Al Gore
internet yeah you know how it is I oh our internet is like pretty pretty
fantastic over here too so yeah we're using a phone yeah we're using a phone
for our laptops hello
Internet all right so why don't we get into actually this is going to be a
great topic to talk to you about um because it's it's one of the more
cryptic things that I think I've seen out of Microsoft in the last little
while here is our stream still called PAX East Sunday recap what the hell
that's probably why hey can you can you guys call me back really quick screwed
up a Skype really bad it's like I can't it just sounds like it's all
jumbled that's
terrible oh all the
terrible oh I hate this
show I hate this show wait what's going
on here there we go okay okay uh here do
you want to talk to him okay so in the meantime I'm going to change our stream
name and then bring up our next top iPic here so what was I what was I what was I
oh right the WAN Show so Fridays at
1630 Pacific yeah okay so let's go ahead
and update that I swear I did that earlier so this is one of the weirder
things that we've seen out of Microsoft in the last little while here can I just
uh I just oh hello hello do this hold on
let's let's bring you back there there we go so I'm just gonna I'm going to
screen share with myself here this is posted on the Forum by Good Bites
Microsoft has revealed a quote unquote hidden feature in the Windows 8.1 update
one which will allow the system to be installed on a system which will allow
the OS to be installed on a system with a 16 gig SSD and still have free space
for your programs reports bit tech.net
so allegedly the way that they're achieving this is by instead of having
some parts of the OS compressed and some un compressed it's an uncompressed and
compressed yeah sorry sorry instead of having the whole OS uncompressed they're
leaving the the super critical parts uncompressed and then they're actually
having a bunch of it still be compressed with a pointer file that shows it where
to go now there are some limitations so you are not allowed to install it on a
spinning drive for example you must be running a UEFI based PC running in UEFI
mode you let's hold on a second drive only additional oh additional Drive that
are installed can be mechanical so it's just the boot drive and it applies to
client editions of Windows 8.1 there are also some backup antivirus and
encryption tools that aren't compatible with wiim boot images um they claim that
there won't be a performance
Delta how uh there's probably there's probably going to be a little bit of a
performance hit I mean there' have to be anytime compressions involved there's
going to be a little bit of a hit but it'll probably be negligible really so if it's negligible
like this is a legitimate question if it's negligible why do we bother on
compressing anything in the first place because sometimes negligible
pisses people off like Benchmark junkies and people that are like really into
benchmarking stuff like that you know if if you're if you want to squeeze every
ounce of power out of your computer you don't want you don't want anything like bringing it down that's why people are
like so hardcore about overclocking their gpus and stuff like that I mean
for the average user yeah I don't see the problem with it I think everybody should compress it and to be honest ntf
F has supported that forever you can actually go into your NTS volume and enable compression across the whole
volume and reclaim a ton of disc space but how often do you hear of people
using that feature you just really don't have you spent any time with that
feature to see what kind of a performance impact we're looking at uh
on the NTFS compression yes on the wiim
boot stuff no I haven't done any any testing on it okay so NTFS compression
like like what are we dealing with because I mean there's two ways of looking at this so sand Force SSD is
aside the ones that are already compressing the data you're writing to
them and then uncompressing them on the fly but if you take a drive that
performs really really well without Hardware compression so something like
um an Intel 730 series or something like an 840 Pro could we be looking at a
whole new world of performance if you have the CPU resources such that the
compression and uncompression isn't going to slow anything down and you are
effectively making better use of the speed of your drive oh absolutely no no
you're absolutely right I mean if the physical data is compressed and you don't have to move as much physical data
between the actual bus from the drive to the CPU for instance then the CPU is
your limiting factor because it's basically decompressing the data there and since compression most of the old
Legacy compression algorithms are really really fast now like they used to kill
the old CPUs but like the light compression the NTFS uses and stuff like
that i' I'd be really surprised if you saw a huge IO performance hit the
biggest problem with compression that I see is that depending on the type of data that you're compressing the
performance can vary so so you know if if you're do if you're heavily
compressing things like text and stuff like that the decompression and compression algorithm used to compress
that data it can the performance can change it's on it's on a little bit of a
curve so compressing 100 megabytes of one type of data versus compressing and
decompressing 100 megabytes of a different type of data depending on the data and how compressible it is that's
going to affect performance so you don't really get a linear performance it's
more of all over the place right this ties into what you were talking about
where you referenced that it's only the really important stuff that's compressed
it's the whole thing it's just Windows updates and stuff after that isn't put
in the wiim boot section right right and even though it's compressed it's it's
it's like it's still all in the whim file it's just part the files partially
compressed which I guess is kind of a New Concept because I've never heard of anything else being partially compressed
usually a file is compressed or it's not right so it's it's it's a little bit
weird to see the partial compression but the idea of being able to reclaim so
much of that space on a device where it comes at a premium you know where you
have you know solid state media on a tablet or a phone I mean that's a big deal right but then I mean
okay so something like a tablet then I wonder how much you're going to give up
in terms of processing in terms of uh in
terms of processing resources to battery
then so if you're that was very poorly phrased but the point is if you are if
you're using your CPU more as opposed to your storage more right are you going to
be giving up some battery life anytime you're doing something IO intensive then
you know that that's an interesting question because you're actually saving some battery life by not having to
access the med is frequently and you're kind of trading it off for the CPU but
the yeah CPU generally I think you would
take a little bit of a battery hit on it but it also depends there's other factors in there like caching right I'm
sure that if they're using compression on those fil they're also aggressively
caching things in and out of memory and if they're doing aggressive caching and
things like that especially on system level files they're not going to be loading them very often they're going to
be loading them once caching them and then pulling from memory so the decompression is going to be happening
every single time you access every one of these files I'm sure they're being very smart about which files
need to be loaded once and access thousands of times versus files that do
literally have to be loaded each and every time due to their D Dynamic nature
or something like that right but yeah as far as battery life I again I'm G to say
probably going to be negligible because compression algorithms aren't going to be that se they're not it's not going to
be super high compression and it's not going to be high compression and encryption which usually it's the
encryption side of compression that really really kills it so I I don't
think you're really going to see a huge impact but as far as no impact no it's
anytime anytime you're doing compression you're going to have some kind of an impact on the CPU's performance the
partial compression thing is weird throughout reading the entire article I I didn't actually see anything about
that I just saw that there was the recovery partition that stays compressed and then all updates and future stuff
after that goes in the completely uncompressed Windows partition so that's
I'm going to have to read more about that that's interesting yeah no I I like
and I like the idea of how they're masking it at the file system level too I mean to to the user the file system is
going to look exactly the same you're not you're not going to notice any difference the filter driver will take
care of it all magically behind the scenes um but as far as needing to update
things into the whim that's a little bit interesting because of course you're not just reading things out of the whim I'd
imagine the whim needs to be updated at some point also no they're saying that I
I read on the on Microsoft's actual documentation that updates go into the
Windows predition not into whim oh okay so so the whim stays the base image no
matter what yeah that's why I'm saying I didn't I didn't read anything about partial compression because they have
the compressed what used to be recovery
uh image which is now your whim image and then that never changes and any
updates or service packs or whatever the heck you get after that go in your
Windows partition uncompressed and the wiim partition never changes never gets
touched so you can still use it as recovery later on down the line no that that makes that makes a hell of a lot of
sense actually because that also prevents you from ever causing any fragmentation on the file so they can
literally optimize how those files are laid out in that whim to make them as
quickly as accessible as possible so which is kind of awesome and like you
can if you're trying to do it on like an Enterprise level or whatever you can
inject things into it on your own so you can inject updates and stuff into win
before you deploy it yeah but once it's deployed all updates and everything from
that point onward will then go into your uncompressed Windows predition no that's
actually that's really cool I'm sure this is also going to have like a high impact on VM deployments and stuff like
that I I like the idea of just having a whim and just basically just deploying
the whim as a VM and not having to deal with all the you know all all of the
crate creating partitions decompressing the whim onto the drive all that stuff
you don't have to do any of it it's your install times are nothing exactly right
right now it doesn't work for applications are VM it's just kind of
cons1 client only but but it'll it'll this is the beginning right so yeah it
always is right I mean it'll it'll happen it makes it makes sense it fits
the bill it almost feels like this is actually made like for
VMS yeah it's it's I mean it's really cool the the the coolest thing about it
isn't necessarily that they're just holding everything in the wiim but I just like the idea that the filter
driers is taking all of the guesswork out of it so the average user they're not going to know what's going on they
just reclaimed a whole bunch of space right right and I think honestly that's
the most important thing especially when you're dealing with the client side with the Enterprise side not so much but when
you're dealing with the client side and people that are buying tablets they just want their space they you know even if
they can reclaim four gigabytes to put another movie on it I mean that might be the difference between not buying and
buying that device so I I think that's really cool I mean I gota I can't help
but feel a little bit like this is something Microsoft shouldn't have even really had to do I mean you look at how
much um smartphone capacity has evolved
in the last four years I when the iPhone 4 came out it was available in 16 32 and
64 gig capacities yes what's what's the 5S available
in I think they have 128 gig don't they
they may have a 128 gig but really
you're going to try and convince me that flash densities haven't at least more
than doubled and with the way that pricing is structured it's really not
that much cheaper and they make you pay an awful lot more for a little bit more storage and I think that's why a lot of
people end up with 16 gig smartphones or
16 gigs still when really do they have to is it really that much of the bill of
materials or could you just or or I mean looking at what's happened to ssds over
the last four years in terms of pricing couldn't you just be delivering us 64
gigs minimum as a smartphone capacity with capacities up to you know 128 or
even 256 apparently is no I I I agree
that spa space is getting cheaper it's it's absolutely getting cheaper it's
getting smaller it's getting faster so does reclaiming you know a couple of
gigabytes really make a difference in the grand scheme of things not not at
the higher end of the spectrum not if you're talking like you know 64 128 256
gig devices all the way up to gez they got like terabyte ssds now right that
are affordable um but the thing is you have to think a little bit more globally
too when you're competing in a market where you want to create mobile devices that are 100 $200 you know and you
really want to hit that low low price point yep stuff like the Moto G exactly
you can buy 16 Gigabyte you know ssds for pennies you know on the dollar
they're almost irrelevant now because people just don't use them but if you can put those into device
and drive the price down to a point where you know somebody that couldn't otherwise afford a tablet or a mobile
device now can that's their price of Entry I mean I think I think that's
still a very very Noble thing yeah um to to go after but yeah at the high end I
mean is this is this going to be something that we're going to be using if we have like we know one terab hard
drives on our desktop computers no not really I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't take
the performance hit for it I would rather pay for it in space just because it's cheaper in this application but
when you're talking a smartphone or a small tablet or something like that then
yeah I think it's beneficial in the long run because one thing you're not going to be using those devices for super high
performance applications so the slight performance hit you take in you know in
decompressing the data I don't think it's going to be a really big deal to you because you're going to be using
stuff like office checking your email Facebook and watching movies things like
that you're not going to be like you know editing and rendering and doing 3D
stuff and you know hosting your web you know your web server on your tablet at
least I don't but so speaking of you would try speaking of office I finally
picked up an Office 365 subscription so
I'm I'm I'm part of I'm I'm part of the the fold now I'm just so sick
of everything not being not being like
synced and everywhere and all that kind of stuff and honestly I got to tell you
the setup process for Office 365 is terrible I mean oh really that whole
ridiculous thing where it's my name aty
domain. onmicrosoft.com until I go
through my domain registar to confirm that I own the domain and then I can
switch it and then all of the like the
way that the sort of synced everywhere file thing works except that sometimes
it's my like consumer Sky Drive and
sometimes it's like my other one and sometimes it's and the number of Clicks
in Office 2013 to save to the local
Drive is ridiculous you click save and instead of
just being a local browsing dialogue it's like where would you like to save
blah blah blah cloud cloud some other thing and then local and well local and
then it's like where local here's some recent places
no just let me browse the dialog simmer
down you need to simmer down Canadia all right take it down you're actually one
of the first people I've heard really complain about it a lot of people I've heard really love it and they they even
love like the experience on other platforms like iOS The Office 365 apps
on iOS are like amazing I haven't tried the iOS one yet but but why would you
my iPhone I haven't even seen it yet my new iPhone 5 that I actually see it's
like not even quite fired up yet is in my pocket I'm going to be doing an I
switched back I've been on Android for a year so I'm going to take a crack at it
and I'm going to uh see if Android can
can hold me and uh see see what I end up
going back to so I'm going to try and switch to it for about a month so we'll we'll see we'll see well I've used I I
mean I've used everything that's one thing a lot of people are like oh yeah you work for Microsoft your Microsoft
Fanboy it's like well no I have everything I have I have you know an iPhone 5S that I use on a daily basis I
have a Lumia 1520 I've got two you know Nexus 7 tablets the first and the second
generation it's because I like certain things that they all have to offer but the biggest ailles heal with Android
always with me is is not all the apps work on all the devices you get this
really weird experience where you go into the marketplace and it's like at the beginning of the description of
everything is it's like oh known problems on these 15 devices and you're like oh my God it's like I like a
platform where it's like I'm pretty much guaranteed to be able to download and use everything I don't to go oh damn it
I bought that Samsung you know whatever S5 or whatever and now I can't run these
five apps because my screen resolution is too high in the developer didn't fix it you know that's the part that annoys
me is it's almost like the thing that makes Android really good also makes it
really bad yeah yeah like I I've had so much I love Light Flow I love the idea
of it when I did my Nexus 5 review it was amazing just like I I can't get it
working flawlessly on anything else and it drives me crazy because it's like a
really fantastic Light Flow Light Flow
yeah no there's some really cool there's some really cool apps on Android that I
found but I just I remember back and it's gotten a lot better now but I
remember back when I bought uh gosh which was it like Motorola made a made a
little Android tablet was it Motorola God I can't even remember it was so long
ago I bought it Best Buy it was like brand new tablet high resolution I
brought it home and seriously I downloaded like 30 apps and of the 30
like two of them worked right on it yeah because all of them were like designed for phones all of them were designed for
different resolutions some of them just didn't work well with the new capacitive
touch that they were using crashed left and right and I couldn't triage or debug
any of it mainly it's better now yeah it's a it's a lot better now I
definitely a lot better now like I use a
my G2 when I did um and I would blindly
download applications without checking if it worked or not never had a single
problem um never had a problem with my Nexus S never had a problem with my S3
and I'm not having a problem with the Tegra Note right now Luke never never
like really never I've never had a problem with application compatibility
okay but then hold on a second cuz he came from a Nexus device to an S3 I I
named my devices yeah I did use fairly mainstream devices that's very true so
the I didn't use like the uh Motorola tablet or anything like that I was using
an Nexus device and I was using a Samsung device then I was using a flagship LG device so it's it's like
yeah so you weren't using like the $16 like what is it like
knw so yeah cuz I've had all kinds of
problems with like offbrand Android where like nothing works on them we we
were just talking about you know lowend storage on the mobile devices and it
just reminded me that I've seen some of these uh some of these Chinese
electronic sites online that are selling Android devices like actual functioning
phones running Android on them for like 2530 yeah and they've got like eight
gigs of storage you know like four or eight gigs of storage in them and so it
it still goes back to I guess there is a market for that obviously somewhere in
the world there's a market for these incredibly incredibly cheap
devices yeah that's actually uh it's not on our list of topics for today but um
when when the whole Project Ara thing was coming around and you know the
enthusiasts were getting really excited about it and I guess what well really it
was more when it was called phone blocks when it was still that campaign um one
of the conversations that we had on the show was like look enthusiasts calm calm
your boobies because this isn't for you and now that some pricing rumors are
starting to surface and Project Ara is
rumored to be what like in the 2535 range for an entry LEL device I
think that that's a very good point is that there is definitely a market for
this I thought it was 50 bucks 50 bucks okay I could be wrong but it's like it's
still really cheap yeah like it's going to be a very very entry-level device and
there's definitely still a market for this and I think that in the next sort
of few years this whole like high-end
phone thing is going to mostly go away
just like you can't buy a highend cordless home phone anymore like have
you noticed that yeah no I have I have I I shop at Costco like religiously and
for years I'd go to Costco and there'd be at least five or six different really
really high-end like unit in phones like you know I've got my my VTEC over here
you know this was considered high-end back in the day right yeah and uh so you
know now I go to Costco it's like I can't remember the last time I walked into any Costco and actually seen a home
phone for sale like they don't even have them anymore and like for for a while
there there was a period of like at least a few years where they still had
them everywhere but the way that they were justifying the high price was
they're just giving you more and more handsets to the point where you'd have
one that would come with you know four or five handsets in it and that was they
put ridiculous features on them too like I mean features like well they sound
cool but they don't really work in practice like for instance I have a
feature on my phone over here and it's one of the reasons why I bought it and guess what I never used the feature hey
good marketing huh um it's got It's got this Bluetooth thing where you can
basically hook your Bluetooth conect connect to your cell phone any cell
phone's Bluetooth you can connect it to the base station of this and if your
home phone rings your cell phone like
rings and you answer it through the Bluetooth and you can talk on your home phone through your cell phone right so
it basically turns your cell phone into a handset the problem is it only works
when you're like 15 feet away from the base station it cuts out constantly so
it's like it's like they didn't even test it it was one of those illusionary benefits where it's like I bet you some
nerd's going to buy this if we put it on the box and they were right I did but
the cool thing about Costco is in 20 years I can take this handset back and
be like yeah uh it doesn't work give me all my money
back that's Costco for you oh my god Costco's kind of
amazing the stuff I've taken back over periods of time has completely blown my
mind I mean honest my favorite return story at Costco uh well actually I've
got it two one was my mom returning a toaster oven that was literally over 10
years old and stopped working they gave her they gave her a brand new
top-of-the-line one and then my personal favorite was one where I actually didn't
even walk in with the intention of returning the thing so I I walked in
with a pressure washer okay and pressure washers are one of those items that
people um customer service people are real used to people renting you know yes
yes kind of like snow blowers and air conditioners seasonal right you take
them out a couple times a year maybe yeah seasonal items so I I first of all
I figured okay this category getting anything done is going to be a problem
so the only reason I went in was because it was some weird brand carer or
something I couldn't even figure out how to pronounce it it had like an apostrophe in it I'm like okay whatever
was this that elect was this one of those electric ones no it was a gas powered one oh it was a gas powered one
okay yeah yeah yeah it was gas powered one and I'd used it very heavily the
previous summer when I was painting houses and um what happened and it was
the most bizarre thing like I I even though it legitimately happened I
figured you walk into any store and tell them this they're not even going to
believe you anyway so I all I wanted was
I wanted a new wand for it because I was
using it and literally in the middle of
using it it snapped in half the
metal the metal snapped in half the the
the brass fitting just like the threads
snapped right off of it and it just you know obviously what happens with a
pressure washer when you don't have a nozzle on it is it just drips right like
it it's just normal normal water now be honest was was he hitting you with it
yes I'm so sorry so I walk in and I'm just
like um I don't know how to contact this manufacturer I need a new wand for this
thing can you help me and they're like
no but we'll take that and give you a full
credit and they won't even tell you what they won't even ask you nine out of
tenen times they don't ask you what's wrong with it nope it's pretty crazy
like my two best stories ever was a baby monitor I took a baby it legitimately
broke the baby monitor we had it for about a year and the camera one of the
cameras broke so we took the whole thing back and they're like they they're like
oh do you have the re they asked me for the receipt cuz they couldn't figure out which purchase it was in the system
because it was a really obscure item and so they opened up the back they got the serial number anyways they found it in
the computer system they're like okay we found it they're like would you like cash or or store credit and I'm like
cash and then they look in the bag and they're like oh do you have the power adapter for the other camera and I was
like oh crap I left the power adapter at home I was like oh here I'll run home and get it they're like yeah don't worry
about it and they so they gave me my money back so I still have the AC
adapter for this thing sitting in the house somewhere and the second one was a friend of mine bought a treadmill had it
for 3 years a tread a treadmill exercise
equipment right who the hell returns that successfully and so the treadmill
it was uh started squeaking or something the it wasn't even broken the belt was just squeaking or something so he loaded
in his truck and took it back there and sure enough they just they just asked him uh you know cash credit here you go
and the guy went out in the parking lot and put it on a flat bin took it inside and we're like dude you just returned a
three-year-old used treadmill and it was like and he got and he got like $1,200
back for it it's like you bought the treadmill today on Craigslist it'd be like 50 bucks it just it blows my mind I
don't know how that business model works and how they can actually like sustain that but hey I can tell you how it works
if you'd like please do please do and does it involve unicorns and Steve jobs'
soul I just I need to know it involves them being um obstinate and impossible
to deal with on the other side so you know how there's always there's always
two sides of anything right like companies will have their customer
facing side where they're the nicest folks ever and then the way that they
get away with being the nicest people ever to customers is by being complete
ass hats to the other people that they deal with and forcing their customer
Centric policies on the folks that deal with them so the way that someone like
Costco works is at the end of the year
like first of all they're paying for things like net 180 net 365 like not
paying for things for six months to a year after the product lands in the
warehouse then anything that gets returned there's no negotiation process
and this is all this is all my understanding from someone telling me this so I'd be happy for someone to
correct me if I'm wrong but basically what happens is anything that gets
returned they put it on pallets they
pack it up and they say we're not paying for these ones oh my God so basically
what you're saying is when I go to Costco and they're like sir would you like cash or credit what they're really
doing on the other end of Samsung as they're like yeah you're getting 6,000 TVs back yeah yes pretty much oh
that's most genius model ever yep it's it's like inverse Walmart and the thing
is there's no way they're not going to want to sell their stuff to Costco yeah
because Costco moves so much product that even though Samsung's taking that
6,000 TVs back or whatever they're they're still making awesome money so
Samsung's just like uh okay and then you get a huge you have no choice and the
other thing I don't really get with Costco too is they got the membership deal right so they're making some money
off that you buy a membership what is it like $30 $40 a year or whatever but then they have that executive membership that
they cram down your throat and they try to get you to get it's like 20 it's only
like was it like $50 more like $100 a year something like that but then they
give you back like 5% of your purchases so every year I get a check from them
for like thousands of dollars and I'm like how is this making you guys any
money well it's it's all a volume game with them I mean okay here's something
crazy I don't know if you know this my wife works at Costco um she's a pharmacy
manager there so basically Costco aside
from all of these sort of the the the way that they treat customers the way
they treat employees is really good and the way that they treat their internal
policies is actually really amazing
sometimes so my brother-in-law works there too and he loves it he's he's like a career guy he's been there for like 10
years there you go they actually have a policy that they will not Mark something
up more than x% within a given category
oh wow so like the way that it worked when I was in product management because
NC is a fairly sensible company is that
if we got a crazy you know end run deal
on coolit eco water cooling units or something like that this was actually my
buy I bought like 5,000 of them or 6,000 of them in one shot and we got them for
like $28 or something insane like that
so Costco would take that deal and they
would Blitz them at$ 32.99 because that's their policy if they get a crazy
deal they can't just milk it you it put
default margin on it and call it good yeah okay whereas I was able to take
that deal and turn it into thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars of
profit and then Blitz it once in a while
and and kind of kind of milk it that way but Costco's policy is that you can't do
that that's why they don't sell Apple because they refuse to adhere to Apple's
map gotcha because if they were selling Apple it be like here get an iPhone 68
bucks yeah and nobody would ever go to the Apple Store ever again and Costco
will not sell well or they won't buy it for less than what other people are
paying cuz they're Costco and then they won't sell it for more than their policy
dictates that they will sell it so it's almost it's almost funny because in a
way it's like Costco's kind of a monopoly I mean they really are because
companies if if a company wants to move volume they kind of have to deal with
them and if they want to if they have to deal with them they have to kind of put up with their crap yep but but at the
end of the day they're making money Costco's making money so I guess everybody's happy but it's just funny
because I see so many I see I see the government going after so many companies for you know throwing around the whole
monop world word or anything like that but it's I guess what do Costco got
competition like what Sam's Club isn't Sam's Club like owned by the same parent
Corporation I'm not sure we don't have Sam's Club here so no idea what Sam's
Club is I've been there it's very similar the same damn identical you
never you'd never know you walk into the Sam's Club it's like somebody blindfold
you'd like you'd look around and be like I'm in Costco it's like I think it's
like blue themed instead of red themed for like yeah it's like that's pretty
much it and I think about the only real difference is I think Sam's Club sells
some things and small quantities like not a lot but some things whereas Costco
everything's like super mega bulk that's why I like to shop at Costco because you
know they sell Cereal by the gallon it's nice ah Sam's Club is actually a
division of Walmart Oh is it really oh
okay so so Wally world's trying to get their their piece of the pie I see how
there you go all right we should probably do an actual Tech Topic at some
oh yeah yeah sorry guys I'm a little random that ADHD tends to kick in every
once in a while all right here we go so
Sony sorry uh you're you're you're you're You're gone hold on I I'll I can
bring you back actually son son what is
even wrong with me today Sony isn't totally bleeding for money what they're
totally not what are you talking about talking about
what I'm trolling you oh you're
confusing me okay so uh this was posted on the Forum by Good Bites as we know
Sony has been doing some massive you know slashing and burning selling
everything that they can to stay afloat I think not that far away from them
selling like office furniture at this point well cuz the reason why I was just
trolling you that way was their claim is it's it's their ongoing effort to
streamline their portfolio and operations okay so they it was messy
they are selling their entire stake in Square Enix the studio behind the final
fantasy series reports The Verge so Sony
has 8.2% share in the company making it the
largest shareholder and they expected to make about 4 .8 billion yen from the
transaction um which like 48 bucks us
right yeah so between them having that's
rude so between them having um you know
between them selling off buildings to keep things going and between them you
know but no no no no this is just a streamline their operations you have no
idea what you're talking about okay getting rid of the buildings I'll kind
of I I'll say no BS getting rid of this the
boat anchor that is Square Enix at this point I I don't understand who would
even buy 88.2% of I don't think I don't
think if you offered it to me for like if you're like okay look lonus you know
like let's say your entire like net worth so like you know a couple hundred,
right you can buy 8.2% of Square
Enix I'd be like I don't know man let
let me look into this first I'd probably do it in the sad immediately yeah but to
who hopefully someone not to me
nope hopefully um SMBC Nico Securities I
I don't get how how's Sony hurting for money they makes such quality products
that almost never catch fire I don't you
know the thing that frustrates me about Sony is it's like so many things where
it's their own hubris that ultimately just makes them impossible to
want to deal with as a customer the only Sony thing that I've bought in the LA
since I since my disman from high school
yeah since then is a professional grade
camera so my Sony fs700 camera I bought
because it was actually Innovative it was a compelling value and the features
and quality of it were difficult to touch at the time um but I mean again
the problem here is that in that particular category Sony is going up
against the kings of hubris companies like Canon yeah so so like Sony's
proprietary nonsense that they do is
totally acceptable in that market so I so I didn't really have any better
choice but basically will I buy another
piece of Sony gear after that experience is the camera excellent yes has it
served us very well yes did they issue a firmware update that they charged me
$600 for yes ouch
so they sold this camera with 4K
capability as a big selling point it has a 4K sensor in it and then no ETA on the
actual firmware that would enable this nothing no ETA or Price estimate on the
recorder that was going to enable it by the way Sony's proprietary recorder that
uses their proprietary recording module
that uses their proprietary media is like $88,000 so it's about the same
price as the camera I could literally buy a red rig for the cost of that and
shoot with an fs700 like Sony are you high so so there so their proprietary
solution costs double of what the one aftermarket solution that they've
licensed the ability to record off this camera in raw mode costs so they they
went and made their own solution make no sense because it's priced out to
complete freaking lunch they want all these proprietary things they want you
to pay for a firmware upgrade and I'm sitting here going Sony you haven't
learned a damn thing have you yeah the
yeah the whole paying for firmware C I mean that I'm going to call BS right out
of the gate on that because the whole fact is the firmware drives the hardware
right I mean to support the software don't be giving me extra features or
fixing stuff that's supposed to already be fixed then charging me for it that
that drives me absolutely nuts uh Sony's not the only one to do that either uh
but I do like how Canon Canon's really forthcoming with their firmwares and I
also like the fact that there's a lot of Open Source development for Canon too that's why I like to use the Canon
platform what buttheads they're being to the open source crew right I haven't
heard no are they are they being pretty pretty hard-headed about it yeah no
there's uh I forget what camera it is I think the the issue is that it's capable
of recording 4K but Canon has basically
said anyone who makes a firmware for this that records in
4k oh that's not that that's probably the Magic Lantern project for the 5D
Mark iiii because I heard I think the Mark II sensor supports 4K but it only
can record it for like even even even with the hacked firw can only record for
like a maximum of like 10 seconds before the buffer memory runs out but I guess
they just don't want people like overheating the sensors in them but oh well I'm still G to run
Magic Lantern hey Canon if you're listening I'm running Magic Lantern on my
camera what are you gonna do about it probably not honor my warranty now damn
it no just kidding I think that's why people like black magic I don't even
know why we're talking about cameras um I think that's why people like black
magic and uh what are the guys the guys
that make Sigma taking camera Market by storm right now
yeah y guys like Sigma where it's like to me that's the biggest problem with a
lot of different categories right now is that companies get into this rut where
they release what the market will bear and price it at what the market will
bear rather than actually trying to innovate we talked about black Magic's
new camera so it's $6,000 camera with like replaceable sensor 10in screen on
the side two more 5 in screens Elsewhere on the camera like freaking amazing
piece of kit Grand shoots 4K out of the
box and it's just like a big old you know Screw you guys to everyone else
because we're building what we can for the budget as opposed to what we think
people should be willing to pay and
black Magic's not perfect a lot of their stuff is just fundamentally broken like
people complain about the difference in audio quality on fastest Possible
episodes that we shoot with our black magic cinema camera even though we spent
an additional $400 on a preamp for the stupid thing because the internal audio
recording Hardware is so broken like it's not perfect but at least they're
trying yeah well I've seen their their Optics are amazing though I mean I I saw
uh what is it their little six or $700 handheld video camera it looks kind of
like a flip video um oh I don't know are
you talking about the pocket yeah the black magic pocket it's like it's fairly
inexpensive but it shoots 1080p I was watching uh back when I was thinking
about buying a video camera I was looking at the video quality on that
thing and I was genuinely shocked like I didn't see anything else that even came
close to that for Factor money aside
they seem like they own that market for the quality and that size and I was like
why are these not flying off shelves and I went and read a bunch of reviews and just like you were saying people were
saying there's problems with them hanging and locking up and battery life issues battery poopy it seemed like they
got it per like the the the the quality of what it could produce was absolutely
amazing but the technical stuff you had to deal with to get there was painful
and that's that's ultimately what killed it it's like it's the it's the hacker
product it's for the folks that are willing to to dink around with it like
our guy uh Brandon loves his pocket and
he has a his is 2 and a2k right no ours are the two we have we have a 2 and a2k
okay we sorry we so we have two black magic cinema cameras that's the 2 and
a2k one the slightly bigger one and then Ed has one and then Brandon has a pocket
yeah but I thought his pocket is 2 and a2k no that one's
1080p but it's really nice 1080p it shoots pror I heard I heard him saying
all weekend it's a pocket 2 and a2k dude if think could sh 2 and a2k on a pocket
that is yeah no it's it's not if he was shooting on his pocket it's definitely
1080p um all right let's move into our next topic I think we usually do half an
hour guest segments but this has been kind of a different show from usual it's
pretty casual I think we've managed to do like two topics so far so you can
hang around with us but you're not obligated to just uh throwing that out
there dude I don't I don't feel any obligation I like hanging out we've got
like we've got like over 5,000 viewers right now that's actually really strong
because my streams usually get about over 15,000 I'm so joking dude I get
like 50 or
100 um okay this is pretty cool so Intel
is allegedly losing billions on tablet and smartphone categories so this was
posted on the Forum by Good Bites Intel makes smartphones what well they do have
smartphone processor smart guy um in
recent months Intel has been under pressure so this is from The Verge to
explain why personal computers haven't been selling quite as well LOL and but
the chipmaker may have another pressing concern losing billions of dollars on
mobile in 2013 Intel's mobile chip division lost a staggering
3.15 billion after posting an operating
loss of 1.78 billion in 2012 and in the
first quarter of 2014 alone the mobile and Communications Group saw a 9.29
million operating loss on a meager 56
million in Revenue according to new Financial results issued today by the
company so what I have to say to this is
investors need to like cool it and
understand that this is a long-term play for Intel Intel has been making so much
ground up over the last two years or so
compared to ARM Solutions in terms of their power efficiency and performance
within those power envelopes that we need in order for them to really be
competitor in tablet and in smartphone
they're still ahead of everyone else on manufacturing process nodes and all that
stuff they're still the technology leader give them a little bit longer and
they're going to they're going to dominate but I'm open to other opinions
on this no I I tend I tend to actually agree with you on this I think I and and
I'll probably take some backlash from this but you know I say anything but I I think arms getting played out I just the
the the the performance versus power consumption thing just isn't doesn't do
it for me i' I've still yet to see a single ARM Solution that's really like pushing the
power that I've seen Intel capable on a similar size platform now granted
consuming a hell of a lot more power and therefore killing your battery life but
it's one of those things where it's like yeah I'd rather I'd rather have a lot of power for three hours than no power at
all for 10 I mean that's just me generally I'm more of a power user but
Intel and the other thing too is yeah they might be losing money you know hand
over fist according to this article in the mobile space but you know how are
they doing in the desktop and server space because I mean I they're still
they're I mean they're heavy dominators in both of those faes and will continue
to be and that could be allocated acceptable loss they might have known
that that was going to happen and they were like oh this is going to cost this much to get done okay whatever let's do
it I mean big companies like this can lose 5 10 billion dollars in a lawsuit I
mean it's like so I don't when when I see numbers like that I'm like okay what's their what's their total
projected Revenue I mean if they made $20 billion that year and they're down
three billion because of the mobile Division I mean you know boohoo I mean
it's it's fine it's just one of those things where it's an acceptable loss while you're pushing into that space
yeah and the other thing is Intel I I remember reading a article a couple
years back where they were talking about you know they're starting to hit the cap of of the frequency that the chips can
operate at so now they're trying to go for more cores right they're trying to go out and kind of get that that breadth
over depth and uh so you know it's not I
think Intel here in the next couple years we're going to start seeing like you know 16 core 32 core CPUs these are
going to be like commonplace and it's been sorry go ahead no no no go ahead
it's been frustrating for the enthusiasts I think where you know we
would have loved to have Intel delivering us eight 12 Core Extreme
editions you know last year and they could have yes they could but Intel's
very patient I mean you look at AMD's 8 core solution that they that they did
deliver to the enthusiasts and did that product really make any sense you could
find benchmarks where an fx8350 had an
advantage due to its higher core count you could find those benchmarks but the
thing ran so hot and consumed so much power and had such a big Dy compared to
Intel's low power small D more Nimble
competitors that you you look at it and you go well was Intel smarter to just
not bother were they smarter to just be patient like this whole ARM thing that's
going on are they just are they just holding their cards to their chest going
you know what we're going to be ready with x86 eventually so it's going to
take until you know like Intel's they're the kind of company there's going to be
a one-year plan A 5year a 10 plan just
going to kind of go okay 2020 like we're
going to be ready we're going to crush it so we're just going to keep keep
staying ahead in terms of manufacturing we're going to keep being the technology
leader and this whole thing is going to happen and then we're going to we're
just going to come in and dominate because the thing about smartphone
processors and tablet processors is
those manufacturers are so eager to save a
dollar to win a Ben Mark and and find
the balance between those two things that I don't think there's any loyalty
to qualcom I don't think there's any loyalty to ARM you look at Samsung they
don't even use their own exos processor in tons of their products they use
whatever is the most competitive solution today to put into that phone to
deliver the best performance possible so taking over the smartphone market is as
simple as having the product that's
better at this exact now point in time I mean you look at how NVIDIA how much
momentum NVIDIA had with Tegra 2 and
then how that has translated into absolutely nothing for Tegra
4 yeah and and the other thing is you're not a smart move for a company is just
like you were saying with The Five-Year Plan and the 10-year plan is just because you have something better on
Deck doesn't mean that's the time to release it because you can still profit
from all of the generations leading up to it that's right I mean yeah you're
not you're not going to just go to the market and be like oh wow we created a 32 processor it's sound it works great
you can charge $2,000 for it it's cost effective here let's take it to Market
because then the problem is soon as you do that all of your competition is going
to start well they're either going to have their own product already on Deck ready to go and they're going to have to
counter and then both everybody loses right except for the consumer the
consumer is like woohoo we're hauling ass but at the same time the company's
lost all that money and revenue leading up to that and that's why I think you
see these inch Wars you know you see one one CPU manufacturer comes out with
something the next one comes out with something that's comparable plus one like literally plus one it's just a
little bit better then the next Generation comes out it's a little bit better it's a little bit better I find
that really hard to believe that that everything is just in these little
microns and inches you know I have to believe that those companies have a lot of tech that's on deck that they're just
holding back because it's not profitable to release it at this time you know what
I think there's some of that but I also
believe that because of the way the
technology advances that sometimes two
compan with completely different road maps and completely different technology
can actually just be neck and neck constantly like I don't believe for a
second that if AMD had a graphics card
that costs half as much and performed twice as fast as NVIDIA that they
wouldn't release it I believe they would I think they just can't those guys hate
I know I know don't I can't go into details but trust me I know this but uh
but uh the thing with G with the GPU guys I tend to agree with you they're
they're both they're both ramming their head against the wall neck and neck and the thing is they're not they're they're
drastically different a lot of people don't realize that that uh you know the
way Crossfire Works versus uh you know NVIDIA SLI is completely different the
way the AMD leans heavily on having more cores versus NVIDIA having less cores
and faster cores the Technologies are so radically different yet the end result
is so close every time every time so so
I tend to agree with you that I think it's more along the lines of when one
company gets a little bit faster the other company goes how do we tweak it to
make it better or just put a giant ass heat sink water cooler five you know
it's like what do we have to do to get it to its absolute bleeding edge and a
good example of this too would be back in the old CPU Wars like where you remember the old seller on 300a right y
the the old you know I called it the Nintendo cartridge because you literally plugged it in like one and uh I remember
those things you'd go buy these 300 A's and they would overclock 150 mehz out of
the box on air you could go from 300 to 450 mehz and if you had a chosen awesome
Malaysian one a sweet one you could get over 500 megahertz on those things I
mean that is a giant percentage jump in
performance out of CPU and I mean that kind of that's when the overclocking really took off from that point then
mother motherboard manufacturers like all right cat's out of the bag Intel's
obviously producing stuff that could be pushed a hell of a lot harder and now
the chip manufacturers expect you to do it right I mean inel sells you a CPU and
they're like oh here here's a 3.4 gigz CPU with turbo boost yeah and and if you
go in the BIOS it'll go 10 times faster I mean it's it it's 10 times faster you
10 times faster I gotta buy an ASUS board because it has a BIOS where you
select an option that says make it go faster and I'm not joking that's
literally what ASUS bioses are like now you go in there and it's like you know
used to be overclocking was like yeah I'm going to tweak my CPU get the voltage up there mess with the VC core
and the pl the was it the PLU voltage and everything no now you go in there
and it's like uh let's see faster fastest extreme
enter well you know an ASUS's ASUS's
self overclocking utility is actually
really good I mean gigabytes and MSI implementations with OC Genie and then
whatever Gigabyte calls their thing not very good they're just they're just kind
of taking a an approximate profile based on the you know thousand or couple
thousand chips that they get to validate their boards and they're kind of doing a
cross-section of okay well 90% of them are going to hit this setting so that's
the profile we're going to apply ASUS's actually goes and stress tests the CPU
and keeps increasing things and dials in an overclock to the point where the last
time I played with it which was I think
Ivy Bridge not Haswell it was within
like 100 mahz of what I could do on my own no no no exactly and and I think
mine was even a tighter tolerance than that when I first got this CPU I have a 30 uh was it I think I got a 393k in
this one running 4.5 a little over 4.5 right and uh and yeah I used that
utility I think to get like to 4. 3 4.4
and then the only reason the utility wouldn't take it any further is because
it wouldn't go beyond a certain threshold on the voltage well I'm liquid cooled so I was like screw you guys I'm
gonna just do it right uh but it's a great idea because that's exactly what
you should be doing and and this I'm I do a lot of automation work a lot of
what I do at my daily job is is actually developing automation um to run test
scenarios and things like that and it makes sense that when you write automation that you mimic what an actual
human being would do you try to make the same rational decisions and everything
and that's that's kind of the program's doing and I like that it takes that that
outlook on it it's like we're going to bump it up a little bit try it if it doesn't work we're going to back it off
or go a different direction if it doesn't work back it off going a different direction I like the fact that
the motherboard manufacturer was like all right well let's design the software
to work in tandem with the firmware BIOS or EFI or whatever you know depending on
your situation let's let's make it work in tandem with that so that the machine
can basically just sit there and power cycle itself and continuously adapt
itself and tell it stable calling ASUS
is uh calling ASUS is software something that you know works is sort of yeah well
honestly I I've I've played with ASUS software Gigabyte software I've even
played with some of the um for the GPU stuff uh what was it the ATI
overclocking utility God I can't remember what the name of it is uh really old one overdrive yeah and and
it's like this Ancient Ancient utility and it cracks me up because it like works on AMD processors and it works on
NVIDIA processors and you can tweak all these weird settings and everything I I
love it when you pick up a piece of software that looks like it was wholeheartedly designed for one thing
and it just works for everything else everything else yeah like like digital
Western Digital creates what is that the Western Digital uh data uh Drive utility
God my brain is not working today anyway well Cate has C tools and I know that
works on anything they all work on everything it cracks me up it's like the
other day I was my my boss was trying to get me to recover some data off of his
uh broken Samsung drive and I just happened to have the Western Digital
utility installed so I opened up Western Digital like yeah here I'll check out the drive yeah here I'll recover your
data I was like all right well all right Western Digital
that's uh that's pretty cool you know and it's like when you see stuff like the AMD tools working with NVIDIA you're
like how is this even possible I mean other than them sharing like a basic
software technology like direct deex or openg GL they're completely different
yeah it's just it's very strange so I
just realized it's like almost six o'clock already I know that you're not
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so you can tell so they have templates that are optimized for like um an
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am a web developer I mean I'm very very versed in mvc4 and asp.net technology
SQL I'm I'm very comfortable with all that stuff but the problem is building a
web page from the ground up using those Technologies is like pulling teeth yes
if it's my job and they're paying me for it and I got six months to do it hey rock on but I don't have that time to
make my own personal site that way I literally just want to be lazy it's like
I'm like the mechanic that takes his car to Jiffy Lube you know it's like I just
I just want to get a website up and I want it to work for people and I don't
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you're talking to man I actually never touched it because um edel actually did
all of the design so I don't know and neither of them will know so that
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one more sponsor today and that is ASUS with their g750 JayZ notebook The
Notebook that actually doesn't make a ton of sense for us to be sitting here
on the show using unless we're Jay-Z Thank you you for
that you know that I actually I actually
have to send these sponsor spots to our sponsors and they get to
hear that joke but look at the interaction with twitch chat which
hasn't started happening they don't they don't watch the whole show for context
all they hear is wow they made a joke
about the letters J and Z being in the product part number see the the people
in the chat love it you are like a genius hey Jay-Z jokes are funny okay I
saw a Supra Toyota Supra with the hood open there was two pictures of Jay-Z
under the hood and it said two JayZ because there's two of them and that's
that's the engine well you guys would know that you're not car nerds are you
no nerds all right I'm bringing you I'm bringing you into our sponsor spot
because we're actually going to turn this sponsor spot into a bit of a
discussion about the g750 j-z because last week um he okay I'll move him down
okay can you just everyone patting his head can everyone just calm down for a
second I'm trying to do something here all right so last week when I did my
sponsor spot for the for the 750
JZ now I'm not going to be able to say that was a straight face for the rest of
the show I hate you I hate you oh my God
okay the problem was that I had set one up for myself to use and I'd been like
yep I'm ready to rock on this thing I'm gonna like play around with it and
Benchmark it a little bit and then this guy
flies out to Boston takes my machine that I set up and I got to start over
from scratch so I'm just like oh way you took you took the money I set up now so
I'm like now it's all tedious and I have to like log into all my accounts and all
this crap again so I actually had to do the show last week having just taken the
the the laptop out of the box basically put it on my lap and started the show so
aside from appreciating that the cooling system on it is pretty good and my lap
doesn't get too hot especially for a gaming notebook I really didn't have
much to say about it but since then we
have benchmarked the thing and let me let me ask you this uh Jerry did you
know that the GTX 880m is actually
pretty damn close to the full spec of a GTX
770 no but that's pretty damn impressive being in a laptop what's the battery
life like 20 minutes the actually we the one thing we haven't benched is battery
life but I'm assuming it's not like hours and hours and hours when you're
gaming I think it's going to go like this like this is 100% it's like okay word processing you're good watching
movie you're good playing the game it's just going to bounce like but this does
have NVIDIA's new thing yeah we saw that work it does have Optimus so that means
that like his laptop that he's been using for the entire show which is a couple hours now is sitting at uh 67%
battery so when you're not at 100% oh that's right that was the one that
wasn't plugged in isn't it okay so so the so when you're not gaming out flat
out not that bad but the crazy thing
okay so it has a full GK 104 core in
there no disabled Cuda course it h it's
clocked about 20% higher than the last gen 7 ADM or whatever it was so it's
actually clocked at about 1 GHz we played around with overclocking a little
bit you can overclock it using standard overclocking tools and get this even
though the CPU so it's a 4700hq I think it is versus like a 4770k
and if you look at Intel's um if you go on Arc you can find out that those two
CPUs cost exactly the same so the clock speed of that CPU is a good like 20 30%
slower but our review of this is coming out tonight Luke benchmarked it against
a comparably priced desktop featuring a GTX 770 and a 4770k and it was what like
60 70 80% of the speed depending on the
game yeah and like you have to you have to realize that we also hit the same
spec as the laptop it's like we had a Thunderbolt motherboard and we had a
Blu-ray we we went to be feature complete we wanted to be feature
competitive with the laptop what's the res what's the res on the screen on that
thing it's 1080 so 1080p God so that
would probably run gez that would probably run like Battlefield 4 on Ultra like no sweat yeah that's insane laptop
the theme of the review is not you know
is this the lightest most portable thing in the world no it's not but the theme
of the review is is there room in the world for a laptop that exists between
the bulk of a desktop and the slimness of something like a thin and light
gaming notebook when the price to
Performance compared to a desktop is actually not that far off so our laptop
ended up costing I think a couple hundred more to have feature completeness so for things like the
desktop we got a webcam just a $2 webcam
because a laptop has a webcam it's part of the overall Computing experience we
grabbed a decent keyboard with a backlight because it's got a decent backlit keyboard on it so we did all
those things and it was about a couple hundred bucks out and I think it was around 70 to 80% of the performance
performance so very interesting no and the thing is
with me is like and and this is the other thing is some people like especially like women I would find like
my wife they like having compact Small Things fitting their purse carry around
like my wife she has she actually has a MacBook Air and she loves it she
absolutely loves thing I can't pry it out of her hands we will have one person
watching this show that is like I am a female and I want a 750 JayZ yeah that's
fine because this show is powered by the isusa g750 Jay-Z so go for right but
anyway I I would rather have a large
desktop replacement class laptop cuz weight's not an issue with me I'm 280 lbs I don't care I'll carry around a
freaking desktop on my back I don't care but uh I used to have this laptop my
favorite laptop ever of all time it was a Dell XPS you remember those Godly old
laptops they had 17inch screens on them they weighed like 20 pounds they were
like this thick yeah I I had one of those and it had the most amazing specs
for the time and I remember I gamed oh and it had a uh had had a 19 uh was it
1920 by or 1900 X 1200 screen so the old you know uh was it 9 by 10
aspect 16 by 10 yeah yeah the thing played everything absolutely everything
for like two years on Max settings after I got it it was a work I I didn't buy a
work work God I think it was like it's five grand or something for that thing but still for to have a laptop that for
two years had specs that just blew I mean it blew my desktop Dev machine away
everything I used it for absolutely everything I even had a dock so that you could just plug the damn thing in and
have it on all your laptops I like I think that that's the that's the
experience I'd like to move towards like I think ASUS is kind of headed in that
right direction where if you have a laptop that can produce the same
graphical horsepower as a desktop and it can support multiple monitors through a
dock and connect all your peripherals I would rather just take that with me
everywhere come home slap it down on my Dock and have that all available to me
and there's there is a market for that and so that was that was the that was
the journey that we were going on because you talk about how that one cost
you five grand or cost Microsoft 5 grand or someone paid grand for it whereas
this one's 2200 which to me is a lot more
reasonable and a lot closer when you consider the fact that it comes with a
monitor and it comes with keyboard and all that kind of stuff is a lot closer
to what I would expect an Enthusiast to pay for a gaming machine yeah I'd say
there's probably what about a $500 Delta there between building something comparable on the desktop um about 200
actually really wow if you make yourself you know cuz it has Thunderbolt and
stuff like so if you buy Blu-ray Drive like if you make yourself buy all the
same features and you can agree or disagree with this particular config but
it's available in a variety of configs with you know 16 gigs 24 gigs 32 gigs of
RAM however much you need so whether you agree with this particular config or not
if you want to build the same thing as a desktop we came around $200 short on the
desktop wow wow is it an SSD in that too standard equipment uh two ssds two 128s
and a one terab hard drive dude that is
that is whoa whoa two ssds and a one terab physical Drive yeah so they're m.2
ssds so there's no bottleneck there and then it's also got a and it's fully
upgradeable so you can just um you take out one screw and it's a nice little
retained screw and then you can access both of the SSD slots as well as the
hard drive slot and then two of the memory slots very very easily damn it's
kind of making my Surface RT here feel a little underpowered and
inadequate super thin well for what it's worth as much larger uh as my laptop is
than yours you are that much larger than me that's true that's true and my and my
computer system is that much larger too right so wow wow so now okay well um my
um helicopter is larger than yours oh
don't you mean your Lamborghini yeah my Lambo Lambos aren't about the size my
friend Lambos are not about the size they're about the speed everyone knows
faster is much more satisfying I'm GNA own a Lambo one day now if you open the
door the inside going to say Pontiac Fiero but it on the outside all Lambo
it's going to be awesome all right we should do some actual topics for a sec
here so uh this was probably one of the funniest posts that I have ever seen on
the lonus tech tips Forum by brown ninja 97 um basically he's like okay you have
to put on this music you have to put on this music while you read it dramatic
music and give it up for the gt75 gt710
and gt720 so the uh the Kings of rebadging
the uh the um you know GPU makers of the
world first up the gt720 is a rebadge of
the GT 610 which was a rebadge of the GT
520 so 48 hole Cuda cor with a 64-bit
memory bus the gt710 is not a rebadge of the
gt620 what it's a rebadge of the
gt630 it's actually a cut down GT6 other
name and then finally the uh the new
flagship mascot is the gt720 which uh is the same as the above
card but Superior instead of being a half Rebrand so a cut down Rebrand it is
a full Rebrand um this is an awesome post have
you not read this I had not read this oh my goodness this is really well done so
is NVIDIA just employing like some guy that just sits back there with some sandpaper and just takes the top off and
then gets out his little calligraphy pen he like this is GK 208 Dash I see their
point I see why they're not even
bothering in the low end because quite frankly I think that under something
like a 60 class card on the NVIDIA side
so so an x60 or even an X you know 50 where
they're actually using the same GPU as the 6D class card which is well last
generation anyway was using the same GPU as the as the 7 class card I think that
they don't get a compelling enough cost
savings under that die size to even make
the thing competitive so they're just they're delivering these cards to Market
because mainstream people at Best Buy buy them and if NVIDIA doesn't make this
card then AMD will and someone has to sell a graphics card to that person but
I think they've just given
up oh that's funny I mean we've had this
talk before though this like exact same thing this is just more direct there was
like yeah there's some stuff whatever like I mean we I did a video a little
while back where I basically maybe this is why AMD didn't send me an R9
295x2 no I I don't think that's it they're actually sending one now so we
have Austin's and they just confirmed that they found one for us so I'm like
okay God oh yeah you're going to send it to me afterwards right for my bit coining rig come on oh absolutely
awesome awesome yeah um so so anyway so
we did a video a little while ago about how the r7240 is stupid and nobody
should buy it and we actually in spite of us presenting these facts this is how
it performs this is what it does and this is how much it costs this card
makes no sense and nobody on Earth should buy it we actually had people
disliking the video and justifying it in the video comments and telling me that I
was wrong and close-minded and I'm just sitting here going okay then you guys
can keep buying GT 720s for all I care because there's nothing I can do for you
dude some people are just all about The Branding didn't we give an exact price
per performance comparison of an AMD card that was better but I had people
say but I had people saying I had people saying look these are for like upgrading
machines and offices to which I would reply well no uh HD 5450 which are like
$13 are for upgrading machine Mach in
offices so there's there's the cheap card and then there's the card that has
performance and then there's this weird thing that's expensive and doesn't have
performance and it just shouldn't exist but people don't get it rebranding
pisses me off because I've actually bought the same thing twice because of
it before did you really you got to tell
the story I'm G to tell the story and and it's so it's software not Hardware
software I just want to be clear on that on Hardware I'd probably do a little bit more due diligence but there's a game
called the War Z oh no biggest piece of
ever made in the history of anything anything horrible now this game
I mean massive Uprising against it right if you guys know the stories behind it like the communities rose up against it
it was a big huge you know pay pay to win game anyways I bought it I was
pissed I sent him money I said give me my refund this is horrible they finally
refunded my money and no kidding on a steam sale a couple weeks later a new
game pops up called infestation Survivor stories and I'm like that looks cool so
I buy it I open the game up guess what it was the War Z all the graphics
exactly the same everything exactly the same settings music everything the same
all they did was just change one graphic in the game from the War Z to freaking
infestation Survivor stories so then I got on the Forum and I find out that oh
no they had to change they had to change the name for some reason they they they
just renamed the game I was the only one that got hit by this like because it was
in one of those humble bum bundles I was like I'm gonna God of course I want it
and that's what I bought it for and then I opened it I just I just face palmed I was like did I just really do that oh my
God but I but I was happy to know that I wasn't alone that other people were doing it too but it just it pisses me
off because it's like no you created it as that product it needs to stay that
product I'm sorry that was actually that was a big deal when they renamed
themselves a lot of people bought it oh my God that was actually like a big
problem and that was the thing is it wasn't available on Steam before that
too so it was like a new game to steam it was a completely new name you could
tell that they I mean they they should have got the crap suit at them for that
because it was obvious that they were just trying to deceive the public and I
was just like and I fell for it I felt like an idiot and I still do because
it's still sitting over here in my freaking Steam folder that's how I found the name it's
not even installed I didn't even bother downloading it because I it's not it's not even worth the the freaking Gigabyte
it'll probably occupy on my S my precious SSD yeah oh horrible so yeah I
hate rebranding and then and then from the Microsoft side so I don't so I don't
look like I'm just playing devil's advocate here to everything that isn't Microsoft you know we had to rename sky
drive to one drive we actually had to rename it like it was it was a it was a
legal battle that we lost but still it sucks because I get all this influx of
mail from my family and everything going oh man should I upgrade to one drive I
got Sky Drive what hey is this one drive thing better I'm like no oh just just
download the update it's the same thing it's a changed graphic but it's just
that's how marketing Works people see something new they genuinely believe
it's something new and it's something better right like that's the initial you
know benefit of the doubt that you give to the product I'm like oh my god there should just be there should be freaking
laws against that speaking of something new and something legitimately different
Quan like I am so glad this is finally happening you can leave anytime if you
want I not not you him I don't even know
if I can because I don't have a phone so orchestrating these things hard so I'll
you try to figure it out okay um so quantana I'm I'm glad this is finally
happening where Wi-Fi is finally going somewhere because for the longest time I
was sitting here going okay so like my mobile data connection is like getting
awesomer by the generation and like Wi-Fi
wi okay so we went from we went from what like Wireless A to B which was like
slower and then we went to wireless G which just got us back to like Wireless
a speeds again but like better range and then we stuck with G for 100 billion
years that's true that's true and then and then when n came out it wasn't even
n it was like uh what what they call it draft n draft n yeah it was draft and it
it wasn't really faster yet and then
finally we got like we got like mimo concurrent in and then that like got
faster and then and then those routers were so expensive that everyone started
costing down and doing like 150 megabit
n that wasn't even really that much faster and then finally things are
starting to heat up a little bit we got AC which can do real world throughput if
you're using a of like 500 600 megabit
and then now quantana is announcing development of a 10g 802.11 AC chipset
so this will support eight stream
configurations versus three stream previously up to a 160 MHz channels up
from 80 MHz and multi-user mimo so we
could be looking at some serious
performance versus broadcom's 5G just
don't stand within 10 foot of it or you will go sterile just saying that's okay
I've already procreated I don't want to so we can
definitely get one of these in the office oh yeah oh wait I did two I'm
gonna order two don't Kidd so I think that's pretty much all I
have to say about that especially because we don't have much time left here but I think that's fantastic I
think that we're a long way away from even being able to leverage something like 10g Wireless I mean you know you
talk about nand capacities and how they've stagnated in devices let's talk
about how nand speeds haven't really changed much over the last few years
because each processed node shrink actually causes Nan performance to get
worse without fancy controller tricks and and don't forget all the all the the
the basically frequency pollution now that's going on I mean I have literally
50 plus networks within the vicinity of my house it's cascaded across all the
channels like I that's one of the things I like using my Nexus for I opened up and I used that uh what is it Wi-Fi
monitor yeah and Wi-Fi monitor basically is just like a million lines it
basically looks like Global thermal nuclear war going on across all of the
frequencies and all of the Bands I swear no matter what I do with two access
points and three repeaters in my house I still have dead spots just because
everything's occupied someone needs to make the Wi-Fi fighting game yes oh
that'd be cool where it's like global thermonuclear war Wi-Fi Edition and like
the the planet is like the range of your Wi-Fi you have to like fight off other
Wii that is genius like scor remember that game scorched Earth yeah dude
scorched Earth with Wi-Fi signals like everybody sets up their access points
and you literally put it up on the screen and then you go move your access points around to try to attack their
router that would be awesome somebody do that Kickstarter Kickstart that project
I'll throw some yeah someone will Kickstart it for like 5,000 bucks and it'll be funded by like 10 quillion
percent and then never you'll make yeah you'll make $50 billion and you won't even have to create a real product since
most kickstarters don't anyways yeah sell the
Facebook why am I even on this
show I even want to talk to you people why fighter
why I like it why I can't come up with something better wi fighter I love it
okay next topic Amazon's smartphone revealed in leaked photos so the big
news here original article from BGR posted by
dezi on the Forum so the big news here
is that Amazon has put is it four or
five I think they put five cameras on the front of it six oh on the front yeah
five on the front yeah five cameras on the front of this thing and basically
the objective here that they're trying to
objectify achieve I suppose would be a better word for that the objective
they're trying to objectify the objective here is to make it 3D looking
without needing the same kind of uh the same kind of screen element that they
have in front of the DS without needing active shutter glasses so the way it'll
work is the cameras are actually going to track your eye movement so they can
create 3D elements in things like the wallpapers um app icons things like
photos so while you're shopping you can you can kind of look around the side of
things like kind of like a parallax effect um would this sell you a new
phone Jerry or you for that yes okay if
it was done properly yes and I'll tell you why I'll tell really yes hold just
hold God just calm your what' you say calm calm your what mamor can't say that
really calm them Canadia hold on I'll tell you why I'll tell you why because
if they do it properly and it attracts my eyes it's like looking through a
window so you get that perceived uh larger larger volume of screen you get
it closer to your face you get more of an angle outwards I I tested some
technology like this a couple years ago where they put a MAG a magnet on your
head and uh this was this was a secret research project never went anywhere but
anyways it had a had a magnet on it and you moved your head around and the
camera in the sensor tracked the magnet and changed the screen but it was cool
because you were looking at a screen that was only about I think it was like a 20 little 20inch screen yeah and you
could get closer to it and like look out and it and it tricked your brain into
thinking I mean like you were looking out a window it looked like you could see this huge amazing area so if you
zoomed in on a photo or something like that you could easily just tilt the
phone and look around and get it closer and everything like that it'd be a really natural experience for looking it
very large High detailed photography I think cool I like it if it works
anywhere near half decently have you seen an eye tracking that doesn't suck
yet yeah no it's not going to work we already know we know it won't it'll be like you'll turn it and it'll lag and
then you'll throw up because it'll screw with your brain wrong the the Toby video that we tried to film
at CES and were successful but it took
very many attempts because of how not working it was um and like every ey
tring technology I've ever seen not working and I fully expect this to come
out and people using their phones and they're just trying to use their phones normally and then all a sudden it's just
going to start tilting like crazy because it's going to start tracking on like your cat who's C on your shoulders
well the problem was the only reason it was even remotely believable in the in
the one that I tested was because they used this magnet because the reason why
they used the magnet was because there was the least amount of leg between it it it was tracking a magnetic field
basically right and so it worked very very fast very fluid but you had to be
within like 10 Ines of the receiver for it to work properly so when you're
dealing with cameras it's like I don't care how fast the CPU is we're a long
way off from having zero leg when you have to do image processing to figure
out where some so far away and combine that with the fact that the image is
going to be completely rubbish because I
mean you look okay you look at you look at how hard it is how much work it takes
how much how much focusing on this and you know uh exposure that on an $8,000
piece of equipment like what we have to get a good image out of that that would
actually allow even a person to to to
look at the eyes and go yeah that's exactly where they're looking now your
CPU has to figure that out with like a webcam I'm honestly wondering if it's
more going to be just like physical head position cuz they say eye tracking but
what they're talking about seems more like if your head was over here you're
probably looking in that General Direction that's going to throw me for a
loop anyway no and I don't think it's going to be very good and uh yeah
honestly I just I think it's I would fully expect it to be more head position
than anything because they're talking about tilting icons and they're talking
about other stuff which isn't super like I'm looking at the top of the screen or
I'm looking at the bottom of the screen because you're probably going to want it flat there no matter what so it's I
think it's honestly more my head is over here and the phone is still here so it's
going to be slanted towards me this way and and look at current tracking
technology right when you got things like connect and stuff like that where they're having to use multiple things
like INF fored and uh you know basically a project you know infrared projection
to be able to track your distance from the device it just it doesn't seem like
an image contains enough information without a hell of a lot of horis sixs
which that you know translates into more CPU um to figure that out and it's never
going to be 100% And I think that would wig me out if I was looking at something
and it just you know it just screwed up and all of a sudden just started like jittering and flipping around and trying
to reorient itself I just I don't see it working I honestly don't some someone in
the chat said tilting icons with a crazy face uh yeah the main things that
they're showing off is like tilting icons on your home screen and
perspective of buildings changing when you're in a Maps application and like
we've seen stuff kind of like this like you look at like the The Parallax
effects that guys like apple have on things like desktop wallpaper so you
tilt your phone around and you reveal different parts of the photo and like I
just don't care I I have never once enabled that because who cares it
doesn't enhance my life it's like kind of neat but if I'm going to get an extra
1% battery by turning it off then I'll take that instead well I remember when
they enabled the Parallax on the when I got my iPhone 5 I was like oh man this
is cool and honestly I haven't noticed it since I left the store I mean it was
totally 100% just a gimmick I mean it's a Meg pie feature you know if I ever
have to sell anything to Jerry just throw like uh Parallax and Bluetooth on
the box that's all you need just got parallax blo tooth and yeah just God if
we just if we sent him a box okay like I
wonder I wonder if you could do this you know how actually Microsoft's a great
example where you you'll have a box that basically says if you open this seal you
agree to this contract this right that y
okay what about this as a business model
sending people boxes in the mail where
if they break the seal they agree to pay for whatever's inside it interesting
would it be legally would it be legally enfor not be okay I don't think oh man
but you can send people junk mails so you should be able to send people that without asking so hold on a second if we
sent Jerry a box that just
says Parallax enabler um you know may contain stuff
yeah may contain may contain Bluetooth
possible traces of Bluetooth Yeah Yeah by opening this box you agree to pay
$100 trapment yeah how I end up being the butt end of a social engineering
experience here would you open the thing
I would I dude I I'd have to I'd have to and I'd probably have to make a video
about it to recoup the money that I paid you for he'd be like I might have been
drunk when I ordered this let's open it up and see what it is right and then
video I did I ordered a bunch of stuff and I forgot what it was the way the
business model works is you build enough margin into whatever you're shipping
people that you know what essentially nothing Amazon do this cuz you know how
they they aren't they planning aren't they they're planning on preemptive shipment or whatever go up at your house
and you just be like I don't want it it goes back are they planning that that
was like a when when we were talking about the drones this was something they were talking about okay well there okay
so this this goes so this is but then that's you know what it is no no so this
this is a whole other this is a whole other thing this isn't like like Sundries that you're ordering on a
regular basis like toner this would be like you know the the suggested items
when you go on amazon.com they just start shipping you this stuff Stu so the
outside of the box is just a picture of what's inside hey we thought you might
like this yeah if you open it then you pay for it yeah no that's the okay oh
it's the if you accept the shipment or not they're talking about they're going
to try and predict stuff that you this was like a a theoretical possible in the
wave future this is while the Drone stuff was going on this was the Amazon crazy time uh but they were talking
about how they're going to try and use their predictive model to guess what
you're going to buy and just ship it to you well there you go that's basically
the same thing if you keep checking something a lot a lot a lot a lot
they'll maybe just like send it to you and then it'll show up that at the door free shipping and it'll just be like
well if you pay the delivery dude it's
yours it's kind of interesting I it's a commitment model I I would almost I I
don't want to say that I would I would do it right off the bat but if they if they were really good at the prediction
if the prediction was good not like this crap where viager ADS keep popping up
it's like I don't need it guys would you stop trying to sell to me but uh it's if
if they could get it right and they knew what I needed like okay we know that you
know Jerry goes through 15 rolls of toilet paper a day so he's going to need new toilet paper every Tuesday that
would be cool if stuff just showed up and it showed up on a Cadence that
actually matched how you were consuming and using it and stuff like that would be awesome actually i' I'd love that if
I just came home and it's like oh man I'm almost out of milk and it's like 15
minutes later there's a knock on the door and it's there or not a knock so much as a drone honking a horn or
something like that you know then it drops off that I mean I think it's cool
I I think it's cool and and the Drone idea I think is cool too but they just need to make them armor plated cuz all
I'm going to do is buy 99 cent items then shoot the Drone down and sell the
parts on eBay I mean this opens up a
whole big problem though for companies that aren't Amazon that who suck at it
that suck at it because if lonus Media
Group was going to get into the the just sending random things to everyone a
shirt it's just like yeah you probably want it yeah you probably so the idea is
you would build in enough margin to into
the product that whatever's Inside the Box that the idea is that you'd be able to
afford whatever collection service you need to be able to send after these
people and you just turn this into like
pounding pounding people until they pay and then anyone who pays you send them
more and more stuff I I think the idea with the Amazon one was you'd have to
pay when it showed up at the door right cood that's even SM it was all it wasn't
like uh you pay this later or brilliant cood love it or your credit card's
hooked up to Amazon so if you accept the shipment just goes Boop and just takes
it the problem is that plays on people's curiosity really bad
right shows up my door I'm going to be like I want to know what's in the box
what's in the boxes not hide what it no that's my
model is where we hide what's inside this lus is crazy scammy not okay going
to go to jail model Amazon's actual model is like this is what it is do you
want it if you want it right now you can pay for it if not you can I don't know that mine's illegal I'm pretty sure I
don't think it's illegal illegal but I'm guessing your model is going to be somewhere along the lines of if you want
to see what's inside the Box pay $4 9.95 and they going to open up it's going to be like a box of half eaten Cracker
Jacks yeah yeah well that's what your
box would have in it someone else's box might contain
candy L's box will be full of like the coupons that showed up in the mail the
previous week be like here I don't want these this is technically garbage those
are really good coupons hey let's start experiment two for one Let's do let's do
a give let's start off with a giveaway where we send a box to somebody and then once they accept the Box there's another
box inside of it with an address that they then have to send it to A&W coupons
are a great deal yeah it it'll be like one of those Russian doll things you
know we'll just get like 30 boxes together send it the first guy and see who receives the last box yeah it'll be
awesome all right I think we've got like one or two more topics that we actually
need to do before we end the show here so uh I'm I'm going to get on that uh
twitch is now funding and
selling games I actually didn't even read this article so hopefully you did
yeah nope oh um well there we go posted
on the Forum by caca DJ look guys what I know I know I know a few things it's my
day off so it was posted originally on kit Guru uh twitch has started funding
games after the success of Twitch Plays a title called choice chamber emerged it
plans to use player interaction through twitch and Advance the story via voting
so there you go anyways they needed 30,000 and it seemed they wouldn't reach
it so twitch stepped in and covered the rest of it which is around 15 grand so
twitch does make a butt ton of money on things like Twitch Plays just because of
all the viewers that are watching it and watching Dem ad Impressions so this
makes a ton of sense for them is there anything else really yeah no that's
that's pretty much it and they're in such a great position to do this they
really are like so many people that are actively wanting and trying to oh my God
what a pain okay guys we're back we're really sorry about that um Sorry's fault
it's all sorry everyone sorry why do we even locally
record I guess there's a good reason because of what just happened never mind
yeah whoa the chat is flying yeah people are people are raising all the dongers
in upset um okay so anyway I guess that
was it for that topic sorry everyone uh
last topic today why you might not want
yeah it was $50 a $50 Project
Ara so I think we actually kind of talked about this already but anyway the
original article was on slashgear and the idea is that even though Project
R looks really cool there's going to be a few different sizes it's going to be
super affordable check this out this is a prototype right here that actually has
like spots for modules to kind of slide into the idea is that it is going to be
so basic at least out of the box that
probably phone enthusiasts will give exactly zero cares about it at least at
the beginning we knew this though we knew this but there you go
um oh okay sorry I was catching up with you guys so that's that's the okay the
modular smartphone design actually I I would I'd buy one just to Tinker with it
you know just be just being a developer I just want to play around with the platform unfortunately probably not that
much tinkering though because if you look at it it's like this is the CPU
slot which you can only have one exact
size for so tinkering is going to be at
almost the same level as like unplugging and plugging in a
USB oh screw that I'm out turn off turn
off the phone Slide the thing Slide the thing turn on the
phone how much are they predicting this device will be like I mean comparably
equipped to like you know today's smartphone like I don't just want a CPU
block I obviously want like a camera and I want storage yeah yeah yeah there's
all those things too but it's the the the thing that I wasn't super stoked on
was the phone blocks idea if you paid a lot of attention to the phone blocks
idea the size of the blocks changed because he was like oh well you can
increase performance in this way like say you want a way better camera you can
change the size and type and style of the blocks with actual Project Ara it's
predefined size slots right oh okay so
so there's there's a big limitation on what you can thicker but not maybe if
you look at the way it rails in it might not even be able to be made thi and the
another thing is if I put this thing in my pocket is it going to just come out as like a pile of blocks every time I
reach in there to try to answer my phone like just I I don't sounds like mycket
I don't want to be like talking on the phone or something I bump something like freaking CPU block flies out of it like
I don't know it's Google the first iteration will probably suck and then
the second iteration will be okay and then the third iteration will be really
good it ever comes out it'll be like Google car yeah all right well I think
we got to go just because I know you have to go I definitely have to go know
if I'm going to be able to go and Barnacle doesn't seem to have anywhere to go thank you for joining us today
though Jerry do you want to just do a quick plug for your channel tell people where they can find you if they think
you're interesting and attractive sure
well everybody think come on everybody thinks I'm attractive anyways I'm Barnacles nerdgasm otherwise known as
Jerry Berg you can come and find me over at Barn nerd.com that'll just redirect
you over to YouTube because I don't have a fancy site yet but I will and come
check me out because I do videos on absolutely everything and tonight I'm going to do something cool with a toilet
plunger and some Vaseline you won't want to miss it
wow it's not what you think though how do you know what I'm thinking
you you're you're Canadian I know what you're thinking I was I was thinking
chopping down trees B yes
always it's the only thing we ever think yeah H but anyways guys come over and
follow me on Twitter to I'm at Barnacles I'm trying to get more people over there because I love talking to all of you so
fun just ask lus I'm a loud mouth on there i' like I I tweet like every 15
and a half seconds sometimes you Timmy
you you and Timmy like I just go to my Twitter and then it's like barnon C and
Timmy Barn CLE and Timmy
like what happened then there'll be like actually
10 different people at tagged on the message and I was like I can't even
reply to this because there's like 20 characters left he got he got so mad that I was on
here tonight he's like what why am I not on there I was like well Timmy you're not as good looking as me I'm just
saying you know snap wow that sells
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again Jerry for joining us and uh peace out guys enjoy your Easter weekend bye
everybody oh yeah there's no music so this is like super stupid to watch and
that microphone muted one yeah it just muts us whatever okay
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