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I got you a new GPU yay yay it's an arc

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it's easy to say we want competition what's not easy is spending your

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hard-earned money with an underdog company and your precious time fighting

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with an inferior product Fall For What so your buddy can just go out and buy

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the actually good one and get it for a reasonable price I mean we all complain

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about NVIDIA's pricing and we say that we want their Stranglehold on the

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discrete GPU Market to end but if the steam Hardware survey is anything to go

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by nobody actually wants to be the one to buy something else especially in

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Intel Arc and if the rumors are anything to go by Intel's discrete GPU division

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was already in a precarious position before these things were so difficult to

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sell so we've been challenged the 30-day Arc challenge 30-day Arc challenge okay

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but only if Luke has to do it too I'm down

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so here it is it's the 30-day Arc challenge part one baby where we are

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both gonna rip our Superior gpus out of

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our gaming Rigs and for the first time ever on this channel perform a downgrade

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I really hope this goes smoothly

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to ensure I couldn't cheat you know oh well you know I didn't change out my VR

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rig and I'm not going to drag my main machine out here which I did do during

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the Linux challenge when show viewers demanded that I change out not only my

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daily driver gaming rig but also my VR

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machine so Alex is here to help me perform one of the two surgeries the

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choice is yours sir and this is a bit of a trick question

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which would you rather the small form factor machine or the Hardline water

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cooled one water cool oh crap that might

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actually be the easier one way more fun too I thought you were going to take

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this one I can take this one if you want no no no no no no by all means you can

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have the harder one remember when I stole our first 3080 and I was like

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don't worry I'll bring it back and then you didn't I still have it what a dick

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now I'm a little torn right now on the one hand the upstairs machine I'm

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running a 4k monitor which frankly neither of these gpus it's okay enough

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it's only 30 days I'll make it but on the other hand this machine is used for

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VR where consistent frame times are extremely important you're gonna need a

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bucket down here which one should I go a770 and which one

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a750 we didn't have enough a770s to go around

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I think a750 in this one okay all right

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I'll take this then I'm curious which one you got oh well if it says limited

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edition on it it's the 16 gig I think right so I'm pretty sure they're both

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limited edition oh they're like the same and I don't know yeah well we'll find

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out later memes aside when it comes to DirectX 12 or Vulcan titles so that is

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to say newer games at anywhere from 1080p to 1440p Arc actually performs

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pretty darn well for the price the issue

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is that Intel is up against literally Decades of experience on both NVIDIA and

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AMD's side when it comes to developing drivers for older apis like DirectX 9

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and 10. the other big issue is that their Hardware doesn't actually have

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native support for some of those older apis which means that they have to run

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them through a translation layer that results in a big performance hit so if

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all Luke and I wanted to do was play

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Anno 1800 do maternal

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you know in a handful of other newer titles we'd probably be fine the problem

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is that many popular games even today were built for older apis Counter-Strike

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League Legends well and even DirectX

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games don't necessarily play very well okay all right all right he was pretty

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bullish on Arc until he actually sat down and tried to Game On It Master

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Chief Collection is what did it for me it was so bad getting my machine out is

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a little bit of a chore because the USB fiber boxes that go to some of the other

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computers in the house uh rest on it

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um and also we put a big radiator behind it yeah so getting at the i o is a

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little bit more challenging than it used to be big radiator is not great

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what I'm thinking then is you're gonna pull from the front and then I'm gonna

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kind of Juggle all of that stuff in the back and

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make sure that nothing comes crashing down okay cool what could go wrong one

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potential speed bump that I hadn't thought of before accepting this challenge I have two full sets of

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peripherals monitor keyboard mouse and speakers upstairs and in the basement so

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that I can sit and game with my kids when they don't have a friend over who's

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using that station or whatever else I have no idea how Arc is going to

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handle that like cloning to two 4K 120 hertz

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displays should be fine sure should

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I mean it should have had a great price to Performance ratio if Intel was to be

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believed I'm going to tape all these together so that I don't lose track of

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which ones go into my PC because I'm a smart boy like that and Alex I think

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you're ready to start pulling uh okay

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does this just like Fallout or does it no no it'll stop they're Stoppers okay

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yeah you should be good do you have it yeah I got another bag okay okay all

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right it's a little heavy and end

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oh goodbye there's a story behind that screw my PC is kind of a ship of Theseus

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it has no clear beginning and end it's

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kind of fun for me to keep little bits and Bobs from previous iterations of the

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machine and these thumb screws from my antec p160w case are the oldest pieces

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of this current iteration however

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I lost one of them but then I finally

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found it when we moved so I put it somewhere safe with the intention of

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restoring it to its rightful place I'm regretting saying that I'd upgrade this

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one yeah yeah you screwed up yeah I uh

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doesn't seem too difficult but it seems like a whole lot of

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potentially filling your boss's computer with water yeah yeah hey do you like my

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cooling fan for my Nick oh that is nice yeah yeah I just kind of screwed a thing

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into like kind of a thing and it's like kind of on there I can't believe I'm

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replacing a 30 90 with an arc to be clear we are not Hardline water

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cooling this thing and if we did I mean it took me forever to get around to

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changing it out does anyone even have blocks for this I don't think so the

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plan is just to bypass the existing card take it out tubes and all and then flunk

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it back in when we're done what do you have here exactly my bypass idea

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cool all right yeah sure I've actually

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done this before so don't freak out

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it's a werewolf Thing Once I bite them they start dropping things here's what

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we're gonna do gravity works right gravity is great so

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theoretically if the bucket is under the computer the

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water cannot reach the computer so we'll go car oil change yeah easy uh

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yeah either you know what let's do both okay here we go

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and one two three

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one okay uh this one man

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gusher

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oh I was gonna yeah not that way oh okay

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flip it this way it should be fine

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can I help you oh he's got this he's got

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this oh well we also have to get these

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off I got those or like oh

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or like a towel or something no I got it I got it I got it

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yes for those of you who are just tuning in the computer is vertical because the

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loop is full of water but we need to remove a water cooled GPU from it and we

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don't want the water to fall all over everything

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whoa RGB cable see you later buddy you've

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been good to me some of you probably think that we're Hamming this up a

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little bit and that's fair you know we're making a

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video here but if you feel that way you probably didn't watch the video where we

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tried like a couple dozen games on Ark and had problems almost across the board

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at least you have a buddy though yeah it's very nice that Luke is doing this

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with you yeah misery does love company Brandon just asked if we could run it at

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like 720 but the problem is that the frame times are the biggest issue and

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there seems to be Hardware problems where whatever you're getting at 1080p

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is probably what you're getting at 720p because it doesn't necessarily scale

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it's like a problem with the scheduler and that's why you can't get more FPS's

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what are the odds Alex that since the last time we looked at it it's gotten

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way better and I'm gonna have no trouble this month

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crap are these both eight pins too oh balls I've gone Arc and you know what

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they say once you go Arc

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you've gone Arc Truman tells credit if you don't have an exotic cooling

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solution to work around they've done a great job of making Arc a drop in

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replacement for pretty much any system with a discrete GPU compared to the RTX

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3080 you can see it's shorter the same height and it uses standard eight plus

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six pin power connectors which means I can actually take out NVIDIA's single

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generation only 12 pin power adapter and

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go ahead and throw this blade I think we have a problem

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these are eight pins oh these are not six plus twos no the

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good news is wherever those cables are could be where these cables are

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not at the office I don't know no that's the bad news I don't know where either

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of them are I thought we might have another sacrificial six pin

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we don't on that doorstop power supply no dice but there's other good news I

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have an ATX pin removal tool here the plan for this one is pretty

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straightforward in my emergency Tech Supplies bag I found an old Molex to six

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pin adapter what we're going to do is we're going to pull these pins out of here and put them in here it's going to

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take a little bit of time but I happen to have an old ATX removal tool which is

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good for PCIe and theoretically they should all be about that quick yeah

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this is a really good quality one I got it from Charles from murder box not what

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I was expecting to be difficult we're already done the part that was supposed to be hard PCI Express EPs and 24 pin

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connectors all have the same little square pins in them and what you'll find

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is that they go into here and then there's two little flanges on the edges

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that hold them into place so I have a pin removal tool from way back in the

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day when modding your power supply was a thing that people did it goes down into

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the connector and basically pushes those sponges down so you can extract the pin

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without damaging either the connector or the PIN

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what we're going to do then is we're going to take our connectors

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here extract all the pins we need put them into our sacrificial connector and

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we take our eight pin and turn it into a six pin PCIe because the other two pins

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are just extra grounds anyway okay so you have these all numbered in a way

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that makes sense to you and I can go ahead and remove them yep cool I will

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only remove the six that you need that way we can just leave this connector in

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here and it could be reassembled in the future

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no no that's a good thing you're clear you officially have something to do I'm

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gonna go look for another six pin in the meantime but this card can go in this

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system can fire up Wicked there oh there was one other thing I wanted to do while

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we were at it my multi-controller USB card here appears to have died

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so I would like to replace it

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the sonnet one is even better this thing is super cool it's got eight USBC ports

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on it oh damn and four controllers

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is that sick or what look that's an m.2 that's PCA by four so it's a by 16 card

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that has a buy four little Riser here for half of the things so uh what that

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means is you can do I think it's full 10 gigabit per second USB 3

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times four on this card so wait how expensive is one of those oh it's very

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expensive the reason that you might want multiple

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USB controllers is that for VR applications sometimes whether it's with

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cameras or sensors having too many of them plugged into a single controller

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can cause problems so I was using this old one from sonnet

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but it's it's having some issues now because USB is shared right

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which means that if you want to get the full bandwidth or if you want to have no

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interference from other USB devices that are connected they actually do need

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their own controller any luck this just goes in connect the power and it turns

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on or it goes boom those are the two options right now

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here we go I'm gonna feel like such an idiot when I figure out where my cables

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are that's the thing about being in a new place is everything's perfectly

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organized which means there's no hope when you don't immediately find

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something like that thumb screw fortunately over the years I've gotten

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pretty good with this tool I'm proud to be Linus when we run over time people

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start to get pretty snarky since I'm doing both sides on this one I'm not

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going to bother labeling anything all right this one's all good to go back in

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really yeah okay we got this wait why am

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I excited surgery number two complete

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it's not like Yvonne needs a six pin for her computer she's not getting

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downgraded okay this one's done too you

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know how you went from type A to type c no that's fine I'll be back

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hi C cables in the context of how much VR

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costs overall with the full body tracking setup it's a lot of money but

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sunk cost fallacy baby let's go if this

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is what it takes to reduce the Jitter on my limbs then yeah you'll be having

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dinner other places now yeah super cool case though it's the Cerberus from

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sliger to my knowledge it is still the smallest matx case here we go

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it's Arc time how exciting I'm excited

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cool that's fine

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um oh okay

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oh no that is not fine oh crap

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that is extra not fine that is inside the computer there's a cable in a fan

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where is it

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oh come on are you in there yep

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all right ah yes there's your problem

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uh case was that

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seems fine cook yay

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okay and no extracting it from the cabinet

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black brilliant now I just need to put more

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water in this line is what what you have most

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acceleration on this is the first time a mouse has been connected to this

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computer still no no it doesn't matter

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no no no I won't take it wait do you

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have over scan on as well what overscan well yeah but you just put a new GPU in

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no no I do not have overscan I blame

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Intel well he does that I'm going to properly set up this when you're swapping between

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different GPU vendors it's really important to go and do display driver

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uninstaller or ddu that gets rid of the old stuff so in this case we ran it on

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NVIDIA now it restarts and we should be

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able to put on the Intel drivers now and it all works out fine you should do it

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in safe mode I never have but you should one fun thing about Intel Arc is that

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they have like a 1.3 Gigabyte download for their drivers so that's very big and

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videos are like 500 megabytes now and that's like stupid large one thing

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that's super important about Intel Arc and it also just reminded me of it is

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that we need to enable resizable bar if you don't you have a really bad time on

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Arc how to enable a resizable bar oh you have to have CSM enabled Advanced PCI

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configuration is there even PCI configuration there no

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uh oh oh no you can't use CSM with

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resizable bar and this is an ancient boot drive that I just kept carrying

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forward with me it's not a UEFI boot Drive

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I'm gonna have to reformat my whole computer for this

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oh we should buy us update first maybe

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it'll just work I don't think so I don't know if you have to disable CSN

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I am so unhappy right now

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and I don't even know if the other machine is working yet oh look at that

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it just is

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well that's good it's funny this video started out as will upgrading to Arc be

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a challenge and ended up just being hey upgrading your computer can be sort of a

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pain in the butt none of the things I was expecting to be a problem like the

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dual monitor setup have been a problem things I wasn't expecting to be a

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problem like oh I gotta find my power supply cables and oh does my motherboard

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support this new thing have totally been a problem okay

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it looks like resizable bar is already enabled on this system so we shouldn't

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have any issues another issue I hadn't foreseen is I'm in the middle of working

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on my review of the gcloud which I have no idea if Intel's encoders will

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work well for a network gaming device but I guess I'm

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gonna find out yeah yeah I see you got

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resizable bar enabled yeah so that works but well I had to disable CSM okay and

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now it doesn't boot well I don't know

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I don't think it's going to boot I think it's going to boot into my boot Drive

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probably oh you put a boot Drive in there well

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I have a boot drive on my keys your USB IC so that doesn't help me well it helps

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you if we need to reinstall Windows

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oh no I don't want that right now all my

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like stupid beat saber mods and everything are all set up exactly how I

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like it and like it's pain in the butt to like back up a custom songs and like

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it's obvious all solvable I just like I could find a directory and then I gotta

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copy everything over do you want to explain to the people what having to

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disable CSM does why that's a problem sure disabling CSM is a problem on this

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system because I originally installed Windows on an older motherboard using an

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MBR partition well newer motherboards

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UEFI motherboards want a GPT partition you can convert an MBR to a GPT

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partition but the process is a bit of a pain in the butt

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and you can lose data I found a thread though should we do that first before we

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try for our fresh Windows so we enabled CSM and it should boot

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and then there's a link here how to convert Legacy BIOS to UEFI in Windows

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there's a tool whoa whoa whoa apparently this has gotten easier there's a tool

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called mbr2gpt introduced in Windows 10

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that lets you convert Legacy files to ue5 with just two commands what make

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Tech easier.com shout out apparently this tool is in the advanced startup

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screen so we need to restart while holding shift okay let's see here

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mbr2 GPT validate meanwhile upstairs

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it's been 20 minutes and these drivers

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are still installing that's a good sign even ignoring my missing cables we're

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off to a pretty bad start here we've got the one machine that has an older

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install of Windows that's not compatible with resizable bar which is going to

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hurt performance even more and then a second machine that is completely

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compatible and just is crapping the bed

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just trying to install the driver you think it worked Maybe

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okay about to find out enabled enabled if this boots that would be incredible

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because it means we all get to go home I mean I'm home but I get to enjoy my

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home oh you might have done it that's pretty good yeah that's pretty good what

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we're seeing right there we like this

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oh come on it's bad magic come on get it

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together uh all the fans quieted down

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hold on hold on maybe it's just a little confused

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and it's going to the VR headset I've seen that before

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it's here we did it holy crap we're in

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we hacked the Mainframe uh now I just got to put that display

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port back in come on baby oh yes good good oh uh it was there briefly that TV

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just turned off I think so yeah oh there we go we did it hey

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okay let's go this is not good at all the

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only reference I can find to someone trying to run an arc GPU and a valve

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index is asking if anyone else is having problems

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because they can't get it to launch yeah I had a little bit of searching and the only thing I could find was someone that

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tried to use a rift s with an a750 and

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could not they would just get a display board and unknown USB device error no VR

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for a month I feel like this can only go uphill from

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here but maybe Intel will find a way to prove me wrong

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this sucks unlike our sponsor uh no Luke

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and I are still gonna game tonight this is extremely choppy for me

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whoa my FPS is at uh nine right now what

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the heck this is not good my GPU encoding just outright crashed so I'm

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back with CPU encoding I mean it like Works

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extremely pissed off right now on the plus side you won't have to get a

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new rug from throwing up on it playing VR cool

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thank you that's really helpful Alex well good night good night have a fun

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stream yeah I will
