I got you a new GPU yay yay it's an arc
it's easy to say we want competition what's not easy is spending your
hard-earned money with an underdog company and your precious time fighting
with an inferior product Fall For What so your buddy can just go out and buy
the actually good one and get it for a reasonable price I mean we all complain
about NVIDIA's pricing and we say that we want their Stranglehold on the
discrete GPU Market to end but if the steam Hardware survey is anything to go
by nobody actually wants to be the one to buy something else especially in
Intel Arc and if the rumors are anything to go by Intel's discrete GPU division
was already in a precarious position before these things were so difficult to
sell so we've been challenged the 30-day Arc challenge 30-day Arc challenge okay
but only if Luke has to do it too I'm down
so here it is it's the 30-day Arc challenge part one baby where we are
both gonna rip our Superior gpus out of
our gaming Rigs and for the first time ever on this channel perform a downgrade
I really hope this goes smoothly
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to ensure I couldn't cheat you know oh well you know I didn't change out my VR
rig and I'm not going to drag my main machine out here which I did do during
the Linux challenge when show viewers demanded that I change out not only my
daily driver gaming rig but also my VR
machine so Alex is here to help me perform one of the two surgeries the
choice is yours sir and this is a bit of a trick question
which would you rather the small form factor machine or the Hardline water
cooled one water cool oh crap that might
actually be the easier one way more fun too I thought you were going to take
this one I can take this one if you want no no no no no no by all means you can
have the harder one remember when I stole our first 3080 and I was like
don't worry I'll bring it back and then you didn't I still have it what a dick
now I'm a little torn right now on the one hand the upstairs machine I'm
running a 4k monitor which frankly neither of these gpus it's okay enough
it's only 30 days I'll make it but on the other hand this machine is used for
VR where consistent frame times are extremely important you're gonna need a
bucket down here which one should I go a770 and which one
a750 we didn't have enough a770s to go around
I think a750 in this one okay all right
I'll take this then I'm curious which one you got oh well if it says limited
edition on it it's the 16 gig I think right so I'm pretty sure they're both
limited edition oh they're like the same and I don't know yeah well we'll find
out later memes aside when it comes to DirectX 12 or Vulcan titles so that is
to say newer games at anywhere from 1080p to 1440p Arc actually performs
pretty darn well for the price the issue
is that Intel is up against literally Decades of experience on both NVIDIA and
AMD's side when it comes to developing drivers for older apis like DirectX 9
and 10. the other big issue is that their Hardware doesn't actually have
native support for some of those older apis which means that they have to run
them through a translation layer that results in a big performance hit so if
all Luke and I wanted to do was play
Anno 1800 do maternal
you know in a handful of other newer titles we'd probably be fine the problem
is that many popular games even today were built for older apis Counter-Strike
League Legends well and even DirectX
games don't necessarily play very well okay all right all right he was pretty
bullish on Arc until he actually sat down and tried to Game On It Master
Chief Collection is what did it for me it was so bad getting my machine out is
a little bit of a chore because the USB fiber boxes that go to some of the other
computers in the house uh rest on it
um and also we put a big radiator behind it yeah so getting at the i o is a
little bit more challenging than it used to be big radiator is not great
what I'm thinking then is you're gonna pull from the front and then I'm gonna
kind of Juggle all of that stuff in the back and
make sure that nothing comes crashing down okay cool what could go wrong one
potential speed bump that I hadn't thought of before accepting this challenge I have two full sets of
peripherals monitor keyboard mouse and speakers upstairs and in the basement so
that I can sit and game with my kids when they don't have a friend over who's
using that station or whatever else I have no idea how Arc is going to
handle that like cloning to two 4K 120 hertz
displays should be fine sure should
I mean it should have had a great price to Performance ratio if Intel was to be
believed I'm going to tape all these together so that I don't lose track of
which ones go into my PC because I'm a smart boy like that and Alex I think
you're ready to start pulling uh okay
does this just like Fallout or does it no no it'll stop they're Stoppers okay
yeah you should be good do you have it yeah I got another bag okay okay all
right it's a little heavy and end
oh goodbye there's a story behind that screw my PC is kind of a ship of Theseus
it has no clear beginning and end it's
kind of fun for me to keep little bits and Bobs from previous iterations of the
machine and these thumb screws from my antec p160w case are the oldest pieces
of this current iteration however
I lost one of them but then I finally
found it when we moved so I put it somewhere safe with the intention of
restoring it to its rightful place I'm regretting saying that I'd upgrade this
one yeah yeah you screwed up yeah I uh
doesn't seem too difficult but it seems like a whole lot of
potentially filling your boss's computer with water yeah yeah hey do you like my
cooling fan for my Nick oh that is nice yeah yeah I just kind of screwed a thing
into like kind of a thing and it's like kind of on there I can't believe I'm
replacing a 30 90 with an arc to be clear we are not Hardline water
cooling this thing and if we did I mean it took me forever to get around to
changing it out does anyone even have blocks for this I don't think so the
plan is just to bypass the existing card take it out tubes and all and then flunk
it back in when we're done what do you have here exactly my bypass idea
cool all right yeah sure I've actually
done this before so don't freak out
it's a werewolf Thing Once I bite them they start dropping things here's what
we're gonna do gravity works right gravity is great so
theoretically if the bucket is under the computer the
water cannot reach the computer so we'll go car oil change yeah easy uh
yeah either you know what let's do both okay here we go
and one two three
one okay uh this one man
gusher
oh I was gonna yeah not that way oh okay
flip it this way it should be fine
can I help you oh he's got this he's got
this oh well we also have to get these
off I got those or like oh
or like a towel or something no I got it I got it I got it
yes for those of you who are just tuning in the computer is vertical because the
loop is full of water but we need to remove a water cooled GPU from it and we
don't want the water to fall all over everything
whoa RGB cable see you later buddy you've
been good to me some of you probably think that we're Hamming this up a
little bit and that's fair you know we're making a
video here but if you feel that way you probably didn't watch the video where we
tried like a couple dozen games on Ark and had problems almost across the board
at least you have a buddy though yeah it's very nice that Luke is doing this
with you yeah misery does love company Brandon just asked if we could run it at
like 720 but the problem is that the frame times are the biggest issue and
there seems to be Hardware problems where whatever you're getting at 1080p
is probably what you're getting at 720p because it doesn't necessarily scale
it's like a problem with the scheduler and that's why you can't get more FPS's
what are the odds Alex that since the last time we looked at it it's gotten
way better and I'm gonna have no trouble this month
crap are these both eight pins too oh balls I've gone Arc and you know what
they say once you go Arc
you've gone Arc Truman tells credit if you don't have an exotic cooling
solution to work around they've done a great job of making Arc a drop in
replacement for pretty much any system with a discrete GPU compared to the RTX
3080 you can see it's shorter the same height and it uses standard eight plus
six pin power connectors which means I can actually take out NVIDIA's single
generation only 12 pin power adapter and
go ahead and throw this blade I think we have a problem
these are eight pins oh these are not six plus twos no the
good news is wherever those cables are could be where these cables are
not at the office I don't know no that's the bad news I don't know where either
of them are I thought we might have another sacrificial six pin
we don't on that doorstop power supply no dice but there's other good news I
have an ATX pin removal tool here the plan for this one is pretty
straightforward in my emergency Tech Supplies bag I found an old Molex to six
pin adapter what we're going to do is we're going to pull these pins out of here and put them in here it's going to
take a little bit of time but I happen to have an old ATX removal tool which is
good for PCIe and theoretically they should all be about that quick yeah
this is a really good quality one I got it from Charles from murder box not what
I was expecting to be difficult we're already done the part that was supposed to be hard PCI Express EPs and 24 pin
connectors all have the same little square pins in them and what you'll find
is that they go into here and then there's two little flanges on the edges
that hold them into place so I have a pin removal tool from way back in the
day when modding your power supply was a thing that people did it goes down into
the connector and basically pushes those sponges down so you can extract the pin
without damaging either the connector or the PIN
what we're going to do then is we're going to take our connectors
here extract all the pins we need put them into our sacrificial connector and
we take our eight pin and turn it into a six pin PCIe because the other two pins
are just extra grounds anyway okay so you have these all numbered in a way
that makes sense to you and I can go ahead and remove them yep cool I will
only remove the six that you need that way we can just leave this connector in
here and it could be reassembled in the future
no no that's a good thing you're clear you officially have something to do I'm
gonna go look for another six pin in the meantime but this card can go in this
system can fire up Wicked there oh there was one other thing I wanted to do while
we were at it my multi-controller USB card here appears to have died
so I would like to replace it
the sonnet one is even better this thing is super cool it's got eight USBC ports
on it oh damn and four controllers
is that sick or what look that's an m.2 that's PCA by four so it's a by 16 card
that has a buy four little Riser here for half of the things so uh what that
means is you can do I think it's full 10 gigabit per second USB 3
times four on this card so wait how expensive is one of those oh it's very
expensive the reason that you might want multiple
USB controllers is that for VR applications sometimes whether it's with
cameras or sensors having too many of them plugged into a single controller
can cause problems so I was using this old one from sonnet
but it's it's having some issues now because USB is shared right
which means that if you want to get the full bandwidth or if you want to have no
interference from other USB devices that are connected they actually do need
their own controller any luck this just goes in connect the power and it turns
on or it goes boom those are the two options right now
here we go I'm gonna feel like such an idiot when I figure out where my cables
are that's the thing about being in a new place is everything's perfectly
organized which means there's no hope when you don't immediately find
something like that thumb screw fortunately over the years I've gotten
pretty good with this tool I'm proud to be Linus when we run over time people
start to get pretty snarky since I'm doing both sides on this one I'm not
going to bother labeling anything all right this one's all good to go back in
really yeah okay we got this wait why am
I excited surgery number two complete
it's not like Yvonne needs a six pin for her computer she's not getting
downgraded okay this one's done too you
know how you went from type A to type c no that's fine I'll be back
hi C cables in the context of how much VR
costs overall with the full body tracking setup it's a lot of money but
sunk cost fallacy baby let's go if this
is what it takes to reduce the Jitter on my limbs then yeah you'll be having
dinner other places now yeah super cool case though it's the Cerberus from
sliger to my knowledge it is still the smallest matx case here we go
it's Arc time how exciting I'm excited
cool that's fine
um oh okay
oh no that is not fine oh crap
that is extra not fine that is inside the computer there's a cable in a fan
where is it
oh come on are you in there yep
all right ah yes there's your problem
uh case was that
seems fine cook yay
okay and no extracting it from the cabinet
black brilliant now I just need to put more
water in this line is what what you have most
acceleration on this is the first time a mouse has been connected to this
computer still no no it doesn't matter
no no no I won't take it wait do you
have over scan on as well what overscan well yeah but you just put a new GPU in
no no I do not have overscan I blame
Intel well he does that I'm going to properly set up this when you're swapping between
different GPU vendors it's really important to go and do display driver
uninstaller or ddu that gets rid of the old stuff so in this case we ran it on
NVIDIA now it restarts and we should be
able to put on the Intel drivers now and it all works out fine you should do it
in safe mode I never have but you should one fun thing about Intel Arc is that
they have like a 1.3 Gigabyte download for their drivers so that's very big and
videos are like 500 megabytes now and that's like stupid large one thing
that's super important about Intel Arc and it also just reminded me of it is
that we need to enable resizable bar if you don't you have a really bad time on
Arc how to enable a resizable bar oh you have to have CSM enabled Advanced PCI
configuration is there even PCI configuration there no
uh oh oh no you can't use CSM with
resizable bar and this is an ancient boot drive that I just kept carrying
forward with me it's not a UEFI boot Drive
I'm gonna have to reformat my whole computer for this
oh we should buy us update first maybe
it'll just work I don't think so I don't know if you have to disable CSN
I am so unhappy right now
and I don't even know if the other machine is working yet oh look at that
it just is
well that's good it's funny this video started out as will upgrading to Arc be
a challenge and ended up just being hey upgrading your computer can be sort of a
pain in the butt none of the things I was expecting to be a problem like the
dual monitor setup have been a problem things I wasn't expecting to be a
problem like oh I gotta find my power supply cables and oh does my motherboard
support this new thing have totally been a problem okay
it looks like resizable bar is already enabled on this system so we shouldn't
have any issues another issue I hadn't foreseen is I'm in the middle of working
on my review of the gcloud which I have no idea if Intel's encoders will
work well for a network gaming device but I guess I'm
gonna find out yeah yeah I see you got
resizable bar enabled yeah so that works but well I had to disable CSM okay and
now it doesn't boot well I don't know
I don't think it's going to boot I think it's going to boot into my boot Drive
probably oh you put a boot Drive in there well
I have a boot drive on my keys your USB IC so that doesn't help me well it helps
you if we need to reinstall Windows
oh no I don't want that right now all my
like stupid beat saber mods and everything are all set up exactly how I
like it and like it's pain in the butt to like back up a custom songs and like
it's obvious all solvable I just like I could find a directory and then I gotta
copy everything over do you want to explain to the people what having to
disable CSM does why that's a problem sure disabling CSM is a problem on this
system because I originally installed Windows on an older motherboard using an
MBR partition well newer motherboards
UEFI motherboards want a GPT partition you can convert an MBR to a GPT
partition but the process is a bit of a pain in the butt
and you can lose data I found a thread though should we do that first before we
try for our fresh Windows so we enabled CSM and it should boot
and then there's a link here how to convert Legacy BIOS to UEFI in Windows
there's a tool whoa whoa whoa apparently this has gotten easier there's a tool
called mbr2gpt introduced in Windows 10
that lets you convert Legacy files to ue5 with just two commands what make
Tech easier.com shout out apparently this tool is in the advanced startup
screen so we need to restart while holding shift okay let's see here
mbr2 GPT validate meanwhile upstairs
it's been 20 minutes and these drivers
are still installing that's a good sign even ignoring my missing cables we're
off to a pretty bad start here we've got the one machine that has an older
install of Windows that's not compatible with resizable bar which is going to
hurt performance even more and then a second machine that is completely
compatible and just is crapping the bed
just trying to install the driver you think it worked Maybe
okay about to find out enabled enabled if this boots that would be incredible
because it means we all get to go home I mean I'm home but I get to enjoy my
home oh you might have done it that's pretty good yeah that's pretty good what
we're seeing right there we like this
oh come on it's bad magic come on get it
together uh all the fans quieted down
hold on hold on maybe it's just a little confused
and it's going to the VR headset I've seen that before
it's here we did it holy crap we're in
we hacked the Mainframe uh now I just got to put that display
port back in come on baby oh yes good good oh uh it was there briefly that TV
just turned off I think so yeah oh there we go we did it hey
okay let's go this is not good at all the
only reference I can find to someone trying to run an arc GPU and a valve
index is asking if anyone else is having problems
because they can't get it to launch yeah I had a little bit of searching and the only thing I could find was someone that
tried to use a rift s with an a750 and
could not they would just get a display board and unknown USB device error no VR
for a month I feel like this can only go uphill from
here but maybe Intel will find a way to prove me wrong
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the heck this is not good my GPU encoding just outright crashed so I'm
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thank you that's really helpful Alex well good night good night have a fun
stream yeah I will