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Hey, Mark, you use a Mac. Oh, hi, yes, I do.

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What do you think of the Magic Mouse? Do you use a Magic Mouse?

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Do you use the Magic Mouse? Do you use the Magic Mouse? Do you use a Magic Mouse?

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Oh, the Magic Mouse? No, I hate it. No, absolutely not.

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What kind of question is that? I don't mind it.

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I don't mind it. I really like it. It's nice and small, which is comfortable for my hand.

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And then I just like the touch options at the top.

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I'm used to it because I've been using it for so long. I don't like it, but I don't hate it.

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That's the thing. Why don't you use it? Ah, there's no tactility to it.

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There's buttons. There just doesn't work for me. Oh, so it appears that despite Apple being the company

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that brought the mouse to the mainstream, many Mac users don't use their Magic Mouse.

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Where have we been having a mouse problem? I'm trying to catch them.

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I mean, I'm not surprised. Just look at how you have to charge the thing.

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And it's really too bad because it is a technically advanced mouse.

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When it was released in 2009, it brought all the great multi-touch scrolling

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and gestures from the iPhone and MacBook to the desktop.

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There were a lot of mice when I sat here. Clearly though, that's not enough.

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It's true. The only Macs that come with it now are the Aged and Expensive Mac Pro and M1 iMac.

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And so it's easy these days for a Mac user to avoid ever having to use one.

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But if you do that, are you missing out on any Apple-only Magic?

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Or does this thing just suck?

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To find out, I gave it to Antoine LaForge. He's the guy who's currently developing

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the mouse tests for LMG Labs. And he has some thoughts.

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So Antoine, what do you think of the Magic Mouse?

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It's bad. Really? What's so bad about it?

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Have you used it? I've used it for a long time,

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but I guess I haven't used anything else. Yeah, that might be it.

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Well, anyways, why is it bad? Mainly the shape. That's my main gripe with it.

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The shape. It's very uncomfortable and ergonomic.

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How do you measure ergonomics? You get way too cramped and the hard edges.

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Why would you have sharp edges on the mouse that you have to hold all day?

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It doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, I mean, I guess the sharp edges are a little hard to live with.

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It's not just the shape. Oh. It's the fit as well.

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They just don't glide. Oh, yeah, okay.

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The hot plastic, everybody else uses Teflon or glass

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even nowadays, especially if you use a mouse pad,

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it's even more noticeable to me. It is worse on a mouse pad.

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The ergonomics are bad, the feet are bad. That's it, right? Yeah, the sensor is not great either.

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The sensor? You might notice that the sensor is not accurate

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and you're not able to click exactly where you want it to click.

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It's not precise at all. Okay, so how bad is the accuracy?

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So if you look at the screen, on the left you have the MX Master from Logitech

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and the Magic Mouse on the right. While they are both supposed to be 1600 DPI,

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the Magic Mouse is really not doing 1600 every time.

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Meaning that if you do twice, the exact same move,

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the cursor might not end up in the same place every time.

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That could mean that when I feel like I'm clumsy on the computer, it might not be me.

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It could be the mouse. But that's 26 is a higher number.

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Yeah, and that's what makes it bad. It has a bad shape, it has a bad feet,

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it has bad sensors. Is anything good about the Magic Mouse?

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The Magic Mouse. It's the only mouse that do that, almost.

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So what could they do to make it better? Move away from design for the sake of design.

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While I'm not 100% against having a narrow mouse,

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but if you're using eight hours a day, you'll get cramped.

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So make it a little bit larger, a little bit taller, a little bit rounder.

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Kind of. They don't look dissimilar, but this feels so much better.

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That's the old one. Yeah, it doesn't look as slick, but it feels much better.

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So would you use a Magic Mouse? On PC, never.

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This isn't the first time Apple has shipped a compromised mouse.

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Famously, the Hockey Puck Mouse that came with the original iMac

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was derided for being too small and hard to hold. And some people don't like it.

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The Pro Mouse that replaced it was a huge improvement.

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Yeah. But it still took Apple 21 years

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before they added extras like scrolling and right-click to the Mighty Mouse.

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I think scrolling is the best part of the Magic Mouse. It really does channel the experience

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found on iOS touchscreens, in that magical way that Apple integrates hardware and software together.

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Though I always turn off natural scrolling because I find it to be very unnatural.

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They're on different planes. Okay, look.

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Vertical horizontal. What did you do?

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You've ruined the trackpad. What do you think?

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It's a, it's a whiteboard. That's a magic.

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No, I can't believe you've ruined it.

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Listen, it wasn't a great trackpad to begin with.

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It's this beautifully etched glass. They spent years just dialing the perfect surface

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for your finger. It's also the perfect surface for permanent dry erase.

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Jake thought this was a dry erase, a little dry erase board on his desk.

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I was using screen cleaning solution. Why?

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Oh yeah, hey. Yeah, it comes right up. A miracle.

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Wow. Like the day we bought it.

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Contrary to what Belle thinks, this is not a small whiteboard.

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It's Apple's less compromised Magic Trackpad. What do you think about a trackpad versus a Magic Mouse?

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I would go trackpad. It offers more gestures and can be used while charging.

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There are people who swear by the Magic Trackpad. If you're someone who prefers a trackpad over a mouse,

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then you probably already have one of these. It does cost $130,

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making it a $50 upgrade from the Magic Mouse. But it is an upgrade.

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I'm not surprised, considering that Apple has largely focused its Mac efforts towards the laptop

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for the past 20 years. And that's what most people buy.

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Even today, there's still a class above in that space.

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So when Apple added Force Touch to the MacBook in 2015,

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this trackpad got it too, while the mouse was left to languish.

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Even still, I'm not a trackpad convert. I find the claw shape my hand has to contort to

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to use it a little too uncomfortable after a while.

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With the trackpad, you have to go in a claw shape too to use it, is what I feel.

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No. Like it's like, I'm like this all the, you know, I'm doing that.

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You can do it relaxed. Yeah, especially with Mac,

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that they have really good trackpad. I'm holding it wrong.

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I will say this, the one place where the Magic Mouse really works

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is NVIDIA editing. The ability to scrub through video clips

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by swiping across the multi-touch surface is really convenient.

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I used it a lot in a past life and going to a regular mouse always felt like a step down.

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For everyone else though, there are a lot of great mouse options if the Magic isn't worth the sacrifice.

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What should people look for when they're buying a mouse for themselves?

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First of all, shape. So I would advise to try it.

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Don't worry too much about the sensor. If you do stuff more intensive,

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like Photoshop and stuff like that, just go online and ask around.

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If you are looking for a wireless mouse, and I think you should, make sure it has Bluetooth.

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Because if it doesn't, you'll need to deal with a wireless mouse dongle.

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And most dongles still stubbornly use the old USB-A plug,

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which your iMac doesn't have.

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Oh, what is this?

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I got a, is this like a jackpot? Sitting at the top of the heap

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is the legendary MX Master 3S. It's an incredibly full-featured,

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highly regarded ergonomic mouse by Logitech. It does cost $20 more than the Magic Mouse,

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but it's far more accurate. And while it doesn't have the multi-touch gestures

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like the Magic Mouse, there are enough shortcut buttons to make up for it.

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It even has a smooth scroll wheel like, wait, what?

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This isn't scrolling like I was expecting it to.

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I thought the smooth scroll wheel would scroll like the Magic Mouse does.

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But despite Logitech's best efforts, it appears that the inertial real scrolling

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isn't available to third-party mouse. They have to use the old scrolling mechanic.

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See how it doesn't do that elastic bounce at the end of a list? It means that it can't scroll up to refresh

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on the Twitter app like it can with the Magic Mouse,

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though maybe I should just get rid of Twitter. It's a real shame that third-party mice

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can't take advantage of Apple's decade-old scrolling

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innovations. Logitech is trying something really interesting here

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with their smooth scroll wheel. And I feel like they're getting really, really close

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to being perfect if Apple let them. If you are looking at the MX Master,

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you might notice that there's a version for Mac. You don't need to buy that.

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What makes this for Mac is that it has a space gray color option,

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and it doesn't come with the Logi Bolt-encrypted

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wireless dongle. It is the same price, though.

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If you do get one of these or any other Logitech mouse, I'll give you a quick tip.

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When adjusting your mouse cursor tracking speed, leave macOS at the default 50% level

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and use the Logitech Options Plus app to dial in the mouse.

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Logitech tells me this is because macOS tracking applies a multiplier, whereas Logitech is changing

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the DPI reported to the system. This will help your mouse be more accurate

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with faster tracking. The closest analog to the Magic Mouse

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would be the Microsoft Surface mobile mouse. It's just as thin and portable,

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but lacking any extra functionality. It is, however, much cheaper, costing only $40,

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30 if it's on sale. Yeah, Antoine recommended this,

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but I don't know about it. I think it feels worse than the Magic Mouse.

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For a portable MacBook mouse on the go, I actually like the simple Microsoft Bluetooth mouse.

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This one is $20 and is made up of a modicum of ocean plastic.

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But if you don't care about that, you can get one that's not yet ocean plastic for as little as $10.

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If ergonomics are important to you, you could get a vertical mouse like this Logitech Lyft.

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There is an argument to be made about how much more natural holding your wrist like this is.

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However, when I tried it for a bit a while back, I found that it was a bit too far angled.

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Remember trackball mice in the 90s? Well, they never left.

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Oh, whoa, this is weird. I don't have to move it.

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Is this what people liked back in the 90s? How do I, oh my gosh.

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But they might make a difference. When Nicole injured her wrist a while back,

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she switched to using one of these to aid in her recovery and says it helped a bit.

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So is there an all-arounder that does it all at a price point far less than the Magic Mouse?

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Yes, the Logitech M720 Triathlon.

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It only costs $50. And for half of the price of the MX Master,

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you only lose the second scroll wheel. It's really inexpensive.

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It works well. It glides. It's a great middle of the road.

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Yeah, it still has an ergonomic shape, but it's small enough to take anywhere with you.

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It'll last two years on its AA battery and can easily switch between three different devices.

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No, it's not as beautiful as any Apple mouse. This charcoal color kind of reminds me of a Dell from 2003.

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But it is better than a Magic Mouse. It's really too bad that this is the case.

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I feel like Apple's become so distracted by the home pod and TV shows that the input device

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that is core to the computers has become subpar.

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True, technology has evolved so much since this came out. People are using iPads.

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They're phones even for general computing. But I don't think Apple should abandon the mouse.

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We're absolutely due for a new interpretation of the mouse for the Mac.

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I mean, look how much money they put into a great stylus.

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Thanks for catching this Mac Address. If you love the Magic Mouse, give this video a like.

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And if you don't, well, you might as well subscribe. I'm curious in the comments what mouse you use for the Mac

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that we haven't listed. Let me know.