1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:09,200 This is how I used to eat breakfast. And this is how I eat breakfast now. See the 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:15,280 difference? Thanks to the Ryzen 7 9850X 3D, I now do everything 7.69% faster, 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:20,720 which doesn't sound like a big deal, but as far as mid-generation refreshes go, 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:22,640 this one is pretty all right. TLDDR. It 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:27,680 costs a few dollars more for a chip that is by and large the same as the 9800 X3D 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:31,199 that you already know and love, except it boosts its clock speeds higher, 7 00:00:29,439 --> 00:00:36,800 resulting in measurable gains across productivity and esports gaming. And it 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:39,680 does so without running hotter or louder 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:43,360 or drawing a ton more power. Is it the most exciting chip launch we've ever 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:48,160 seen from AMD? No. But it never claimed to be. It's just some mid-generation 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:52,000 fine wine aging for the AM5 platform while we wait for a true successor based 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:55,840 on Zen 6 toward the end of this year or early next. So with that in mind, let's 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:01:01,359 take a look at performance to see who should be interested in the 9850X3D 14 00:00:58,879 --> 00:01:04,879 and maybe more importantly who should be holding on to their existing hardware 15 00:01:03,199 --> 00:01:09,600 and saving their money. And also who should be checking out our sponsor, 16 00:01:06,479 --> 00:01:11,200 >> Jawa. With DDR5 getting so expensive, 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:15,200 wouldn't it be nice to save a few bucks while upgrading your computer? Jawa is 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:19,680 an online gaming marketplace for buying and selling new and used accessories for 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,920 computers. There's more info in the link down below. 20 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:37,200 RTX5090s are in short supply, even here at LT. So, we set up four identical 21 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:41,680 benches with RTX 4090s and got right to work on gaming performance, where AMD's 22 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:47,280 claims were immediately validated. The king got a little king glear with the 23 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:51,680 9850 X3D leading the pack across our entire suite of esports titles and 1080p 24 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:54,799 benchmarks. Now, I could spend the rest of my slideshow presentation here 25 00:01:53,119 --> 00:01:58,880 talking about the cases where it leads by a little bit and the ones where it 26 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:02,479 leads by a little bit more, but instead I'm simply going to say it wins and I'm 27 00:02:01,119 --> 00:02:07,200 going to use the rest of my time to explain why reviewers even bother to 28 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:12,959 test like this. I mean, surely no one buying a $500 gaming CPU is going to be 29 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:15,040 running at 1080p low on an RTX 4090, 30 00:02:12,959 --> 00:02:19,920 right? Well, yeah, you're right. But we do this because we want to know which 31 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,760 chip is faster, period. Not which one 32 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:25,920 handles better, not which one is more likely to impress the chicks at the 33 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:30,000 club. Which one is faster? And when you want to know which chip pumps out frames 34 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:34,640 better, lowering both your resolution and your in-game details helps to 35 00:02:32,239 --> 00:02:39,840 isolate the CPU's game engine handling performance and really separate the 36 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:43,360 fastest chip from the almost fastest 37 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:45,599 chip. And AMD's 9850X3D is the fastest 38 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:49,440 gaming chip that we tested thanks to all of the things that made its predecessor 39 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:54,400 processor the fastest before. Eight of AMD's Zen 5 cores coupled with ample 3D 40 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:59,040 vcache creates a combo that puts both Intel's latest Core Ultra desktop chips 41 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:04,239 and their older 14th gen flagship to absolute shame. But does any of this 42 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:09,200 matter? To answer that, we need to get a little more realistic both in terms of 43 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:14,239 in-game visuals and the realworld use cases for these chips. Let's step up 44 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:18,319 then to 1440p resolution and throw in some tests with ray tracing where uhoh, 45 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:23,280 the 9850X3D no longer sits alone at top the roost, 46 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:27,680 king of his domain, but becomes simply another runner in the race. Still a very 47 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:32,879 fast chip, boasting the highest average FPS in both Counter-Strike 2 and Rocket 48 00:03:30,239 --> 00:03:37,920 League. So, it's clear then that once we start to introduce more variables, the 49 00:03:34,799 --> 00:03:40,159 story becomes muddier to say the least 50 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:45,120 with certain games favoring some CPU architectures more than others and those 51 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:47,519 advantages shrinking the more GPU eye 52 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:53,040 candy you turn on with ray tracing being the ultimate equalizer, bringing every 53 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:55,120 chip we tested within about 5% of the 54 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:59,920 rest. Which isn't to say though that you should just buy any chip and expect 55 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:04,480 exactly the same experience. In the longer term, theoretically, a faster 56 00:04:02,239 --> 00:04:09,360 gaming chip will last you through more GPU upgrades, extending the time before 57 00:04:06,959 --> 00:04:13,760 your next platform upgrade. And with upscaling technology becoming more and 58 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:19,040 more important all the time, rendering high frame rates at lower resolutions 59 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:23,520 and then upscaling them with AI could become increasingly important for 60 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:27,600 high-end gaming. Okay, then Linus. So, just buy the one at the top of the chart 61 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:32,080 then. Well, not that either. It's horses for courses. If all that matters to you 62 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:37,040 is the highest FPS at low or medium details or in esports titles, yeah, it 63 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:42,160 doesn't get any better than the 9850X3D. But for almost anyone else, we need to 64 00:04:39,759 --> 00:04:46,320 at least think about the bigger picture. What about whole platform pricing? Where 65 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:50,639 could I score a deal? Intel's older generation 12th gen CPUs are still 66 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:55,199 potent gaming chips and they support cheaper DDR4 memory. We'll have a full 67 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:58,960 video on that coming soon. But the TLDDR is it's a pretty compelling value. Or if 68 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:06,639 I'm willing to go to the secondhand market, 5700 X3D pricing has not spiked 69 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:08,639 nearly as high as 5800 X3Ds. And AM4 70 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:13,840 motherboards and matching DDR4 can be had for cheap. Add an open box 1440p 71 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:19,680 gaming monitor. And that's an entire platform refresh for the price of a 9850 72 00:05:16,479 --> 00:05:22,080 X3D CPU alone, which would leave plenty 73 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:26,160 of budget to get some nice new cables at ltstore.com. We'll have that link down 74 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:31,680 below. Of course, none of what I just said means the 9850 X3D is bad or a bad 75 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:35,600 deal. It's a bad CPU. No, it's not. The best of the best always comes at a 76 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:39,039 premium, and honestly, it's a better product than I thought it was going to 77 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:45,199 be. My initial reaction was h it's probably going to be a roided out 9800X 78 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:47,440 3D and I expected a big boost to both 79 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:52,720 power draw and heat output in order for AMD to reach their lofty 5.6 GHz boost 80 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:57,440 frequency targets. But that turned out to not be the case. In our Cinebench 81 00:05:54,639 --> 00:06:01,840 power draw test, AMD's finest hit higher clock speeds than its predecessor while 82 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:06,560 running ever so slightly cooler and drawing ever so slightly less power. We 83 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:11,759 didn't see quite the same thing in F-124. Power draw was actually up a 84 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:15,520 little bit on average, but still both of these results are so close that it is 85 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:20,319 safe to say that this is not a meaningfully more power- hungry chip, 86 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:24,160 and it does clock noticeably higher. This translates to a better experience 87 00:06:21,919 --> 00:06:28,720 outside of games as well, where the 9850 X3D consistently beats its 50less cousin 88 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,800 across both our productivity and our creative benchmarks with small victories 89 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,479 in multi-threaded workloads and larger ones in singlethreaded applications 90 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,600 where it really gets to flex its boosted clock speed. It's worth noting, by the 91 00:06:37,919 --> 00:06:43,440 way, we didn't run our entire suite here since these X3D chips really are 92 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,800 marketed primarily towards gaming, but we still wanted to show a snapshot of 93 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:50,479 what they're capable of outside of games. Now, I'm not going to go into 94 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:54,319 this too much, but Intel's core count advantage translates into some really 95 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:57,759 lopsided results in our multi-threaded benchmarks. And that's with their last 96 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,400 gen Core Ultra. Can't wait to see what happens when their new architecture 97 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:05,280 makes its way from mobile to the desktop. Core Ultra NextG versus Zen 6 98 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:11,280 is going to be a heck of a battle. Of course, that's a story for tomorrow. The 99 00:07:07,599 --> 00:07:13,039 story for today is Ryzen 7 9850X3D. 100 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:17,520 It's a little faster and it costs a little more. Not the most exciting chip, 101 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:20,960 but certainly better than AMD simply resting on their laurels and waiting for 102 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:24,080 Intel to close the gap. 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