on this episode of manufacturers say
we're gonna show one way or the other
if we've already reached the point where a gamer or video editor simply won't be
able to tell the difference between a slow SSD and a fast one the title of
this video does have some truth in it
when we went from hard drives to ssds there was a period where the single most
noticeable upgrade you could make to an aging system was a storage upgrade but
like cpus RAM or anything else there is
a point of seriously diminishing returns and honestly i take issue with
manufacturers telling consumers that they need to upgrade their system
because our new product does
4 000 megabytes per second instead of 3
000. whoa what was that
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both manufacturers and my fellow media alike have been found suggesting that
gamers or content creators like video editors might benefit in some way from
the super fast PCIe gen 4 ssds that are
making their way onto the market and guys i love fast computers as much as
the next person but when it comes to this i feel a little
bit like the kid who finally calls out that the emperor's new clothes are a lie
and he's just naked because it has been
a long time since an SSD upgrade has
wowed me that is aside from blazing fast
benchmark numbers so to see if i'm the only one we've
built up a fun little side-by-side by
side test here these three systems are
nearly identical they've all got ryzen 9 3900x processors rtx 2070 graphics cards
and 32 gigs of ddr4 memory but
one of them has a bog standard SATA SSD
another has a last generation NVMe SSD
that does around 1500 megabytes a second and finally we've got a PCIe gen 4 SSD
tearing up our lanes at a blistering 4950 megabytes a second it should be
noted that that last one did need a motherboard upgrade to give us PCIe 4
compatibility but we've adjusted the performance parameters to ensure that it has no
other advantage so let's start then by asking our test
subjects where they are expecting to notice the difference between the
systems the only difference i would expect is in loading the games initially
or like a map changing maps but in actual gameplay
i really don't expect anything in adobe premiere i really think the
bottleneck will actually be the software i don't think i'll be able to tell the
difference in games or in most applications but in something that's
very uh heavy in like big files maybe like video editing or like transferring
you might be able to feel it a little bit more my expectation with game
loading time is that unless i'm running the game side by side the loading time
difference is going to be so small that i'd have a hard time remembering which one is which really from 600 megabytes a
second to nine times that speed we'll see
i'll probably be able to tell the difference in load up times
and just snapping to the system start with this one system number one
the point of this is just to find out well you know is it obvious if we wanted
to know you know which one's faster we would use benchmarks
yeah that's fast because there's often hang-ups there
for the loading oh wow i haven't played this game in a little bit though 14 15
16 16 seconds 16 seconds for mirage now that's
something we're not allowing people to do is just copy files from folder to
folder on the drive because yeah there'll be a big difference there
but is that really representative of day-to-day use or is gaming and video
editing it's not bad it's better than playing off the network for sure i can't
really imagine this getting all that much faster felt's noticeably quicker
than i expect and i expect pretty fast so okay good
system number two i really think that counting is kind of
akin to benchmarking and so nine three
eleven six one okay there's a bit slower
yeah this is not as responsive the other time i was able
to drag it it was all immediate it seemed like there was a bit of a delay
when it was loading stop
counting you have to do it by feel
yeah i'm not going to be able to tell the difference between them unless my my counting was actually pretty consistent
but you won't know if your counting was consistent no i'm just going to assume
and then i'm going to make my guesses based on that counting and then i'll
know whether or not it was consistent based on the results and whether or not
i was correct right okay yeah i actually don't find this
that much worse it felt like it took a little bit longer to get going
are we at a point of diminishing returns oh
absolutely come on that's the question we're asking system two is definitely
overall slower uh i was surprised to find that in every game across the board
it took just another second another two seconds to load it's not a huge deal in
the grand scheme of things but it's definitely noticeable when you're
looking for the details okay system three system three let's go well
this one also loaded pretty quick
but i have to check the first one again very very choppy just trying to
play this at full res
slower slower there's a slowest one
okay let's see
i'm not high
i could be high okay so i just loaded up doom
and that was pretty slow too
you know there's all the marketing yeah around
two and three and four yeah and it's like well hold on a second where is that
point of diminishing returns right i suspect we're past it pc3 is definitely
slower than the other two that last 25
in doom took a lot longer than it did on the other stations in premiere
i saw the loading bar on this one i don't even remember seeing the loading
bars on the other ones system 3 felt kind of like a mixed bag
it was snappy in some places but it felt a little less responsive than others
that being said at some points it was like kind of the fastest system but
other things that loaded the slowest so i'm kind of confused about this one the
most i was pretty sure about the first two but the third one's throwing me for
a bit of a loop system number three i noticed was a little bit slower it got
hung up in doom at the 75 percent loading mark a
little bit longer than the other systems but once uh premiere was in there and i
hit full resin play it just died it was
really stuttery wait no you can't benchmark them head to head you can go
back jeez you didn't tell me that's not a drag
race i mean it is it's no it can't uh it's a
blind taste test it is not a drag race they are very different concepts
very different oh no i'm high
i take back everything i said
you gotta declare it okay call it call your shot i think this is SATA
NVMe gen four
are you ready to declare your answers i think so okay i can say pretty
definitively that the second one is SATA okay uh it felt across the board the
slowest okay i have a harder time telling between these two
um this one felt slower than this one this
one felt consistently the fastest so my immediate guess would be that this is
the gen 4 and that's the NVMe um
but maybe it's reversed and maybe gen 4
is just so new that it's not consistent for sure that's the SATA
i'm pretty sure gen 3 is number two
gen 4 is number one okay
this one is the fastest but only because
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okay so i i wanna know the answer too so i'm
just gonna hang around i'm not gonna i'm not gonna try okay you said this one was NVMe no SATA
SATA that's wrong that's NVMe no
um you said this one was and amy
that's gen four that's fine whatever i'm crazy that is gen 3
NVMe okay yeah okay yeah you're right you're one for
one that is PCIe gen 4 no it's not
that's not possible and that's satan really
this was PCIe gen 4. that was gen 4. okay
okay this
was PCIe gen 3. really
what oh my god
are you not too i'm not surprised that i was wrong honestly
am i disappointed that i was wrong yes
so when i used the first system i had no point of reference and so maybe it felt
so fast and then i started comparing the other ones and i could kind of feel the
the pause longer so i i'm yeah i don't know i'm speechless do you think you'd
have any hope of telling the difference between them if you weren't sitting in
front of all three of them at once not even a little bit of a chance not even
the slightest chance at all what's interesting to me though is that to a
man everyone who took the test picked the SATA system as the fastest one
so what that indicates to me then is that
the differences that we perceive once you're running an SSD are pretty much
going to come down to psychological ones like maybe just from looking at this one
first that makes a bigger difference we actually had a conclusion written up for
this by colin that goes so here you have
it the results show that there is a noticeable difference between SATA and
NVMe drives which is expected but blah blah blah blah blah i actually didn't
necessarily think that that was going to be the case i really wish i had been able to stay blind so that i could have
taken the challenge myself but i was not expecting anyone to be able to tell the
difference now with that said that's not to say that there's no reason
to consider a high quality SSD there's
higher quality flash which will be rated for more programming race cycles giving
it better longevity there's firmware and controller quality which can affect the
behavior of the drive when it's near max capacity and things like that
there's dram cache which is absolutely necessary a dram-less SSD will actually
perform like a hard drive in many situations and then of course there is
applications beyond just your typical
gaming or video editing and that's where
i think a lot of the fud comes in is convincing people that for gaming or for
simple video editing that you need this high performance storage because the
cold hard truth is that even 8k red footage it maxes out at 280 megabytes a
second that is comfortably well within the realm of what SATA can
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