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on this episode of manufacturers say

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we're gonna show one way or the other

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if we've already reached the point where a gamer or video editor simply won't be

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able to tell the difference between a slow SSD and a fast one the title of

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this video does have some truth in it

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when we went from hard drives to ssds there was a period where the single most

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noticeable upgrade you could make to an aging system was a storage upgrade but

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like cpus RAM or anything else there is

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a point of seriously diminishing returns and honestly i take issue with

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manufacturers telling consumers that they need to upgrade their system

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because our new product does

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4 000 megabytes per second instead of 3

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000. whoa what was that

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both manufacturers and my fellow media alike have been found suggesting that

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gamers or content creators like video editors might benefit in some way from

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the super fast PCIe gen 4 ssds that are

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making their way onto the market and guys i love fast computers as much as

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the next person but when it comes to this i feel a little

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bit like the kid who finally calls out that the emperor's new clothes are a lie

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and he's just naked because it has been

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a long time since an SSD upgrade has

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wowed me that is aside from blazing fast

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benchmark numbers so to see if i'm the only one we've

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built up a fun little side-by-side by

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side test here these three systems are

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nearly identical they've all got ryzen 9 3900x processors rtx 2070 graphics cards

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and 32 gigs of ddr4 memory but

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one of them has a bog standard SATA SSD

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another has a last generation NVMe SSD

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that does around 1500 megabytes a second and finally we've got a PCIe gen 4 SSD

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tearing up our lanes at a blistering 4950 megabytes a second it should be

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noted that that last one did need a motherboard upgrade to give us PCIe 4

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compatibility but we've adjusted the performance parameters to ensure that it has no

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other advantage so let's start then by asking our test

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subjects where they are expecting to notice the difference between the

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systems the only difference i would expect is in loading the games initially

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or like a map changing maps but in actual gameplay

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i really don't expect anything in adobe premiere i really think the

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bottleneck will actually be the software i don't think i'll be able to tell the

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difference in games or in most applications but in something that's

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very uh heavy in like big files maybe like video editing or like transferring

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you might be able to feel it a little bit more my expectation with game

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loading time is that unless i'm running the game side by side the loading time

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difference is going to be so small that i'd have a hard time remembering which one is which really from 600 megabytes a

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second to nine times that speed we'll see

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i'll probably be able to tell the difference in load up times

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and just snapping to the system start with this one system number one

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the point of this is just to find out well you know is it obvious if we wanted

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to know you know which one's faster we would use benchmarks

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yeah that's fast because there's often hang-ups there

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for the loading oh wow i haven't played this game in a little bit though 14 15

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16 16 seconds 16 seconds for mirage now that's

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something we're not allowing people to do is just copy files from folder to

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folder on the drive because yeah there'll be a big difference there

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but is that really representative of day-to-day use or is gaming and video

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editing it's not bad it's better than playing off the network for sure i can't

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really imagine this getting all that much faster felt's noticeably quicker

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than i expect and i expect pretty fast so okay good

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system number two i really think that counting is kind of

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akin to benchmarking and so nine three

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eleven six one okay there's a bit slower

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yeah this is not as responsive the other time i was able

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to drag it it was all immediate it seemed like there was a bit of a delay

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when it was loading stop

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counting you have to do it by feel

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yeah i'm not going to be able to tell the difference between them unless my my counting was actually pretty consistent

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but you won't know if your counting was consistent no i'm just going to assume

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and then i'm going to make my guesses based on that counting and then i'll

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know whether or not it was consistent based on the results and whether or not

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i was correct right okay yeah i actually don't find this

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that much worse it felt like it took a little bit longer to get going

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are we at a point of diminishing returns oh

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absolutely come on that's the question we're asking system two is definitely

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overall slower uh i was surprised to find that in every game across the board

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it took just another second another two seconds to load it's not a huge deal in

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the grand scheme of things but it's definitely noticeable when you're

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looking for the details okay system three system three let's go well

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this one also loaded pretty quick

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but i have to check the first one again very very choppy just trying to

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play this at full res

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slower slower there's a slowest one

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i'm not high

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i could be high okay so i just loaded up doom

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and that was pretty slow too

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you know there's all the marketing yeah around

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two and three and four yeah and it's like well hold on a second where is that

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point of diminishing returns right i suspect we're past it pc3 is definitely

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slower than the other two that last 25

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i saw the loading bar on this one i don't even remember seeing the loading

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bars on the other ones system 3 felt kind of like a mixed bag

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it was snappy in some places but it felt a little less responsive than others

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that being said at some points it was like kind of the fastest system but

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other things that loaded the slowest so i'm kind of confused about this one the

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most i was pretty sure about the first two but the third one's throwing me for

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a bit of a loop system number three i noticed was a little bit slower it got

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hung up in doom at the 75 percent loading mark a

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little bit longer than the other systems but once uh premiere was in there and i

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hit full resin play it just died it was

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really stuttery wait no you can't benchmark them head to head you can go

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back jeez you didn't tell me that's not a drag

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race i mean it is it's no it can't uh it's a

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blind taste test it is not a drag race they are very different concepts

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very different oh no i'm high

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i take back everything i said

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you gotta declare it okay call it call your shot i think this is SATA

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are you ready to declare your answers i think so okay i can say pretty

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definitively that the second one is SATA okay uh it felt across the board the

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slowest okay i have a harder time telling between these two

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um this one felt slower than this one this

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one felt consistently the fastest so my immediate guess would be that this is

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the gen 4 and that's the NVMe um

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but maybe it's reversed and maybe gen 4

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is just so new that it's not consistent for sure that's the SATA

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i'm pretty sure gen 3 is number two

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gen 4 is number one okay

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this one is the fastest but only because

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lttstore.com that's what makes it fat don't worry i'm just kidding i'll tell

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you the real answers yeah we're gonna have sticker packs soon you know lttstore.com anyway

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okay so i i wanna know the answer too so i'm

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just gonna hang around i'm not gonna i'm not gonna try okay you said this one was NVMe no SATA

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SATA that's wrong that's NVMe no

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um you said this one was and amy

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that's gen four that's fine whatever i'm crazy that is gen 3

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NVMe okay yeah okay yeah you're right you're one for

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one that is PCIe gen 4 no it's not

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that's not possible and that's satan really

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this was PCIe gen 4. that was gen 4. okay

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okay this

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was PCIe gen 3. really

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what oh my god

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are you not too i'm not surprised that i was wrong honestly

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am i disappointed that i was wrong yes

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so when i used the first system i had no point of reference and so maybe it felt

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so fast and then i started comparing the other ones and i could kind of feel the

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the pause longer so i i'm yeah i don't know i'm speechless do you think you'd

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have any hope of telling the difference between them if you weren't sitting in

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front of all three of them at once not even a little bit of a chance not even

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the slightest chance at all what's interesting to me though is that to a

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man everyone who took the test picked the SATA system as the fastest one

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so what that indicates to me then is that

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the differences that we perceive once you're running an SSD are pretty much

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going to come down to psychological ones like maybe just from looking at this one

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first that makes a bigger difference we actually had a conclusion written up for

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this by colin that goes so here you have

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it the results show that there is a noticeable difference between SATA and

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NVMe drives which is expected but blah blah blah blah blah i actually didn't

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necessarily think that that was going to be the case i really wish i had been able to stay blind so that i could have

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taken the challenge myself but i was not expecting anyone to be able to tell the

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difference now with that said that's not to say that there's no reason

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to consider a high quality SSD there's

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higher quality flash which will be rated for more programming race cycles giving

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it better longevity there's firmware and controller quality which can affect the

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behavior of the drive when it's near max capacity and things like that

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there's dram cache which is absolutely necessary a dram-less SSD will actually

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perform like a hard drive in many situations and then of course there is

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applications beyond just your typical

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gaming or video editing and that's where

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i think a lot of the fud comes in is convincing people that for gaming or for

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simple video editing that you need this high performance storage because the

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cold hard truth is that even 8k red footage it maxes out at 280 megabytes a

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second that is comfortably well within the realm of what SATA can

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handle speaking of limits there's no limit to how bad my segways can get

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base a GeForce gtx 1660 ti 6 gig card 16

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gigs of ddr4 2666 memory a 512 gig NVMe

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something that really will make a difference to your gaming and you can check out it and other micro center

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if you enjoyed this kind of you know side by side taste test challenge maybe

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