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see our sponsor instantly see your current and past network activity detect malware and block badly behaving apps on your pc or Android device with glassware use offer code Linus to get 25 off at the link below both manufacturers and my fellow media alike have been found suggesting that gamers or content creators like video editors might benefit in some way from the super fast PCIe gen 4 ssds that are making their way onto the market and guys i love fast computers as much as the next person but when it comes to this i feel a little bit like the kid who finally calls out that the emperor's new clothes are a lie and he's just naked because it has been a long time since an SSD upgrade has wowed me that is aside from blazing fast benchmark numbers so to see if i'm the only one we've built up a fun little side-by-side by side test here these three systems are nearly identical they've all got ryzen 9 3900x processors rtx 2070 graphics cards and 32 gigs of ddr4 memory but one of them has a bog standard SATA SSD another has a last generation NVMe SSD that does around 1500 megabytes a second and finally we've got a PCIe gen 4 SSD tearing up our lanes at a blistering 4950 megabytes a second it should be noted that that last one did need a motherboard upgrade to give us PCIe 4 compatibility but we've adjusted the performance parameters to ensure that it has no other advantage so let's start then by asking our test subjects where they are expecting to notice the difference between the systems the only difference i would expect is in loading the games initially or like a map changing maps but in actual gameplay i really don't expect anything in adobe premiere i really think the bottleneck will actually be the software i don't think i'll be able to tell the difference in games or in most applications but in something that's very uh heavy in like big files maybe like video editing or like transferring you might be able to feel it a little bit more my expectation with game loading time is that unless i'm running the game side by side the loading time difference is going to be so small that i'd have a hard time remembering which one is which really from 600 megabytes a second to nine times that speed we'll see i'll probably be able to tell the difference in load up times and just snapping to the system start with this one system number one the point of this is just to find out well you know is it obvious if we wanted to know you know which one's faster we would use benchmarks yeah that's fast because there's often hang-ups there for the loading oh wow i haven't played this game in a little bit though 14 15 16 16 seconds 16 seconds for mirage now that's something we're not allowing people to do is just copy files from folder to folder on the drive because yeah there'll be a big difference there but is that really representative of day-to-day use or is gaming and video editing it's not bad it's better than playing off the network for sure i can't really imagine this getting all that much faster felt's noticeably quicker than i expect and i expect pretty fast so okay good system number two i really think that counting is kind of akin to benchmarking and so nine three eleven six one okay there's a bit slower yeah this is not as responsive the other time i was able to drag it it was all immediate it seemed like there was a bit of a delay when it was loading stop counting you have to do it by feel yeah i'm not going to be able to tell the difference between them unless my my counting was actually pretty consistent but you won't know if your counting was consistent no i'm just going to assume and then i'm going to make my guesses based on that counting and then i'll know whether or not it was consistent based on the results and whether or not i was correct right okay yeah i actually don't find this that much worse it felt like it took a little bit longer to get going are we at a point of diminishing returns oh absolutely come on that's the question we're asking system two is definitely overall slower uh i was surprised to find that in every game across the board it took just another second another two seconds to load it's not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things but it's definitely noticeable when you're looking for the details okay system three system three let's go well this one also loaded pretty quick but i have to check the first one again very very choppy just trying to play this at full res slower slower there's a slowest one okay let's see i'm not high i could be high okay so i just loaded up doom and that was pretty slow too you know there's all the marketing yeah around two and three and four yeah and it's like well hold on a second where is that point of diminishing returns right i suspect we're past it pc3 is definitely slower than the other two that last 25 in doom took a lot longer than it did on the other stations in premiere i saw the loading bar on this one i don't even remember seeing the loading bars on the other ones system 3 felt kind of like a mixed bag it was snappy in some places but it felt a little less responsive than others that being said at some points it was like kind of the fastest system but other things that loaded the slowest so i'm kind of confused about this one the most i was pretty sure about the first two but the third one's throwing me for a bit of a loop system number three i noticed was a little bit slower it got hung up in doom at the 75 percent loading mark a little bit longer than the other systems but once uh premiere was in there and i hit full resin play it just died it was really stuttery wait no you can't benchmark them head to head you can go back jeez you didn't tell me that's not a drag race i mean it is it's no it can't uh it's a blind taste test it is not a drag race they are very different concepts very different oh no i'm high i take back everything i said you gotta declare it okay call it call your shot i think this is SATA NVMe gen four are you ready to declare your answers i think so okay i can say pretty definitively that the second one is SATA okay uh it felt across the board the slowest okay i have a harder time telling between these two um this one felt slower than this one this one felt consistently the fastest so my immediate guess would be that this is the gen 4 and that's the NVMe um but maybe it's reversed and maybe gen 4 is just so new that it's not consistent for sure that's the SATA i'm pretty sure gen 3 is number two gen 4 is number one okay this one is the fastest but only because lttstore.com that's what makes it fat don't worry i'm just kidding i'll tell you the real answers yeah we're gonna have sticker packs soon you know lttstore.com anyway okay so i i wanna know the answer too so i'm just gonna hang around i'm not gonna i'm not gonna try okay you said this one was NVMe no SATA SATA that's wrong that's NVMe no um you said this one was and amy that's gen four that's fine whatever i'm crazy that is gen 3 NVMe okay yeah okay yeah you're right you're one for one that is PCIe gen 4 no it's not that's not possible and that's satan really this was PCIe gen 4. that was gen 4. okay okay this was PCIe gen 3. really what oh my god are you not too i'm not surprised that i was wrong honestly am i disappointed that i was wrong yes so when i used the first system i had no point of reference and so maybe it felt so fast and then i started comparing the other ones and i could kind of feel the the pause longer so i i'm yeah i don't know i'm speechless do you think you'd have any hope of telling the difference between them if you weren't sitting in front of all three of them at once not even a little bit of a chance not even the slightest chance at all what's interesting to me though is that to a man everyone who took the test picked the SATA system as the fastest one so what that indicates to me then is that the differences that we perceive once you're running an SSD are pretty much going to come down to psychological ones like maybe just from looking at this one first that makes a bigger difference we actually had a conclusion written up for this by colin that goes so here you have it the results show that there is a noticeable difference between SATA and NVMe drives which is expected but blah blah blah blah blah i actually didn't necessarily think that that was going to be the case i really wish i had been able to stay blind so that i could have taken the challenge myself but i was not expecting anyone to be able to tell the difference now with that said that's not to say that there's no reason to consider a high quality SSD there's higher quality flash which will be rated for more programming race cycles giving it better longevity there's firmware and controller quality which can affect the behavior of the drive when it's near max capacity and things like that there's dram cache which is absolutely necessary a dram-less SSD will actually perform like a hard drive in many situations and then of course there is applications beyond just your typical gaming or video editing and that's where i think a lot of the fud comes in is convincing people that for gaming or for simple video editing that you need this high performance storage because the cold hard truth is that even 8k red footage it maxes out at 280 megabytes a second that is comfortably well within the realm of what SATA can handle speaking of limits there's no limit to how bad my segways can get maingear's vector gaming laptop is available at 25 micro central locations as well as on amazon it's a thousand dollars at micro center and 1199.99 on their amazon listing it features an Intel core i7 9750h at 2.6 gigahertz base a GeForce gtx 1660 ti 6 gig card 16 gigs of ddr4 2666 memory a 512 gig NVMe solid state drive a 15.6 inch 144 hertz display now that's something that really will make a difference to your gaming and you can check out it and other micro center specials at the links in the video description so thanks for watching guys if you enjoyed this kind of you know side by side taste test challenge maybe check out uh oh we did a video recently checking out uh key switches either that or it's coming soon so make sure you're subscribed or go look for it one way or another"}