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What you're seeing right now is five, count them, five instances of Cyberpunk

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2077 running on one system. Eh, not that

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impressive. But what if I told you that in the background we are also running

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Cinebench and encoding our screen cap

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using OBS and running this new fangled bonsai buddy. Holy this thing is

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absolutely incredible. And the craziest part is we're still getting playable

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frame rates in all five of our Cyberpunk

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instances. This is the power of AMD's

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Threadripper Pro 9995WX.

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It has 96 CPU cores that can run at up

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to 5.4 GHz. It has 384 MGB of level 3

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cache and with the click of a button, it can boost its default 350 W power draw

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to over 800 watts. That is well beyond

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the limits of even this water cooling solution. That's why we brought this

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freshly repaired water chiller to explore the limits of the most

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ridiculous desktop CPU on the planet and

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to see just how far we can push past them. The CPU is at 95°

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and it's pulling 1,900 W. >> This is terrifying. But first, I had to

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link in the video description. Before

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we can break the performance limits of modern computing, we've got to know

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exactly where they are. So, let's back up to just a few months ago when we

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looked at AMD's topofthe-line Threadripper nonpro 9980X.

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This 64 core monster, it turns out, was

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just [snorts] the appetizer. This one is quite literally like putting one and a

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half of these into the same motherboard socket. Or maybe a slightly different

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motherboard socket if you want to get the most of it. More on that later.

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First, let's take a look at the carrier vessel that Falcon Northwest sent over

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for us to check it out in. This is the Falcon Northwest Talon. And oh my

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tabernacle, is it ever gorgeous. They

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did not have to do it up in this sick custom UV printed case inspired by our

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UV reactive LAN collection ltstore.com.

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But the Mad Lads did it anyway. And that is the least crazy thing about this

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system. We're going to talk a lot about the Threadripper Pro 995WX and its

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ludicrous 96 cores. But first, let's take a moment to admire the rest of this

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build. Let's get this side panel. Oh wow.

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I can't find anything solid enough to get it to make a metal sound, but

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oo wow, that really hurt. Actually, that is a thick piece of aluminum. Damn. Wow,

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that cable management. This is a 1600 W

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power supply. And if you really look in there, there's lots of cables plugged

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into it. They just do an incredible job of hiding them away. When I built a test

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bench using the same platform, it looked like one of those Sentinel things from

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the Matrix. The other side is no less

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gorgeous. 128 gigs of DDR56400

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ECC memory and has tripled in value

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since Falcon sent us this system. And another big difference compared to your

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system at home is these are running in a quad channel configuration rather than

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dual channel which doubles their bandwidth. And if that sounded crazy,

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wait till you see us running the Threadripper Pro in 8 channel. Wait, why

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aren't we doing that now? It's because while the ASUS ProWS TRX50 Sage Wi-Fi

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motherboard in here can work with both Threadripper and Threadripper Pro, its

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feature set is more targeting regular Threadripper. If you want to get the

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most out of a Threadripper Pro, you need a WRX90 motherboard. It has the

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same physical socket, but a different chipset. More on that later. First,

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we've got three 4 TBTE Kingston Fury Renegade PCIe Gen 5 SSDs in RAID zero. I

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don't think Falcon would ever really recommend that. They were just showing

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off on this system. And then for our GPU, we've got something that I've

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actually never seen before. This is the RTX Pro 6000. Pretty much it's a Wolf in

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Business Suit clothing. It's a 5090, but

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[music] instead of having 32 gigs of VRAM, it has 96 GB of VRAM. It also has

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about 10% more CUDA cores, runs [music] faster, and all that memory is ECC. Kind

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of want to do a full review of this thing. It's the kind of stuff NVIDIA just does not send out for evaluation

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because if you need it, you have a team of people to evaluate hardware for you

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and you pay for your evals until you reach an even bigger scale. Finally, for

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cooling, it uses an AIO liquid cooler from Silverstone with a 280 mm radiator

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and a custom CPU block that is specifically designed for Threadripper

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processors. And at the default power profile, it does great as we're about to

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see. But I think we're going to need more. Let's fire this thing up. Starting

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with Blender Monster, where we got nearly 25% reduction in render times. I

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mean, guys, look at this. This is not running on the GPU. That's insane. 52

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1/2 seconds. That is over 10 seconds faster than the top-of-the-line Thread

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Ripper nonpro. Look at this thing rip up threads like a pro. Or does it?

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Cinebench. And actually, a lot of our benchmark numbers look dangerously close

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to the same results we got with the 9980X.

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You know, the [snorts] $5,000 processor, the one for nonprofessionals. Well, as

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it turns out, that's kind of by design.

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See, AMD allows you to put this bad boy

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in a peasant consumer TRX50 motherboard,

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but they don't really want you to. This is the ASUS ProWS WRX90E Sage SE and

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it's the big brother to the motherboard that we used in our 9980X review. This

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is possibly the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. [music] In fairness to

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me, it's been almost 10 years since my last child was born, so I can hardly remember how beautiful that was. The

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first thing you might notice about this board is that flanking the CPU socket

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are not four, but eight memory slots,

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each running its own channel. That gives it up to four times the theoretical

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bandwidth of a desktop dual channel motherboard. The next thing you might

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notice is that it has a grand total of seven PCIe by 16 slots. But unlike your

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typical gaming motherboard where those are going to be running at often lower

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speeds or lower generations of PCIe,

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every single one of these is gen 5 and

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the full 16 lanes. So, you could literally put single slot water blocks

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on seven GPUs in here. And I assume you

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could because if you can afford this motherboard, you can afford seven GPUs,

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too. Lucky you. Oh, man. The next thing

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I was going to show you guys was all the M.2 slots, but I just cut my finger open

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on the IO, so I guess we'll move over there. Oh,

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buddy. One lonely USB 2 is accompanied

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by a whopping six USB 10 gig ports, two

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USB 440 gig ports with DisplayPort

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injection, dual 10 gig networking ports with a gigabit management port, and look

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at that convenient little clear seamos button right on the back. I'm going to

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need that band-aid now. Thank you. Damn it. And if you thought we were done with

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Crazy IO, check this out. Every one of

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these M.2 two slots is also at Gen 5.

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And because they just had extra lanes and no idea what to do with them, we've

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got a couple of slim SAS ports that are also Gen 4x4 each. Next to the 24 pin

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motherboard power connector, you will find two additional PCIe 8 pin

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connectors. Those are to provide extra power in case you actually load this

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thing up with PCIe cards. Then at the top, things get even more nuts because

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there's not one, not two, not three, but four power plugs for the CPU. Two normal

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CPU EPS connectors, and the other two PCIe 8 pin again. All for this bad boy.

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But it's only 350 W. Why could it possibly need all of that? Because once

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we unlock it, it'll be a lot more than 350 watts. That's why. How much is that

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worth these days? >> When I wrote the script, it was 6,000. When we started shooting, it was 10,000.

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And now it's $17,000 of RAM. 1 TB DDDR5 ECC 5600 mega

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transfers per second. The crazy part is this isn't even cutting edge speed. This

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is like last gen speed. So we're not even quite getting the most out of this

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CPU. But when we asked someone to send us over even a loner of modern RAM to

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put in it, they laughed. Yeah. All

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right. Here we go. If I don't do it right, it'll bite me again. So, >> do you want more goop?

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>> Yeah, I'll take a little bit more goop. No keyboard detected. Now, please press

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F1 to continue. You American Mega Trends. Here we go. Royce,

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>> I like this. If we go into Ryzen master and we hit apply on the overclock 350 W

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to 2,000 watt power limit. >> Uh, that would not work with that pitily

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triple radiator. We're not even going to try running it at stock. Well, I mean, we ran it at stock in the other one.

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Yeah. >> But did you guys get numbers for how it runs at stock? Just having 8 channel

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memory instead of quad channel? >> Yes. And you'll see massive improvements

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in memorybound benchmarks, things like sevenzip or even like Yuncher if you

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have to load in a bunch of stuff, >> right? >> Because you have that nearly double the

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bandwidth. Even with the slower, higher latency RAM in here, there's still a

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massive increase in throughput just due to eight channels. >> But we want more. Do,000 watts there.

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>> Oh my god, that's insane. And then it

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flips once it gets past >> 1,000. It goes, nope. It just errored

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out. Also, 38.82 seconds. Did we hit 90° on a water

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cooler? The water's heating up that fast. Yeah. Right. Because the pump

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speed is the same, which means that from one run to the next, the load is the

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same and the pump speed is the same. So, if it's running 3 4° hotter, that means

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the water is 3 4° hotter, which kind of makes sense because this is not that

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much water. Okay, how about Cinebench? We're idling at 40 now. That's how much

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hotter our water is. It's gone up like 7 degrees since we've been sitting here.

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>> We're also idling at 122 watts on the

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CPU, which to be clear is the TDP of a

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9800 X3D. >> Yeah. >> What score are we trying to beat here?

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>> Running stock. >> Okay. >> So, that's 7,387.

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>> I feel like we're going to beat that. What would a Threadripper nonpro hit?

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>> Threadripper nonpro hits 6,671.

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Okay, I can already tell that this is insane how fast those boxes are

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finishing. This is crazy. >> Yeah, this like usually takes like maybe

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10 minutes on like a consumer CPU to finish this one image.

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>> This is going to finish in less than a minute. Does AMD ever get tired of

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winning? 8727.

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Just shy of 9,000 points. That's clears

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it by a ton. That's almost like a quarter better. It's more than 20%

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better over 350 W. You're paying a lot for the power to do that.

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>> You can afford it. [laughter] Have we told them how much the CPU costs yet?

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>> 13Kish. Okay. Our top one is 94°. Okay.

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What frequency are we? You've got to be kidding me. It's running at 4.8 GHz

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across the board. Oh, Cinebench isn't even that heavy of a load. Evidently,

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just shy of 800 W. Do you think it could do more? Oh, with better cooling.

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>> Yeah, >> I feel like we've got to be capped here. Let's do 7zip cuz that's going to

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benefit from both the increased power to the CPU and the increased RAM.

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>> 128 out of 192. Am I reading this right?

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11 12 1/2 GB per second. [laughter]

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>> Yeah, that's the decompression rate. Let's go to 13. It's kind of fluctuating

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up, so it could be high. >> By the time it finishes the test, it settles in at about 11 1/2 each time.

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>> Compare that to the quad channel memory. >> We're more than double.

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>> More than double. >> I knew file decompression was memory

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limited, but that much? >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. And what about the

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compression? How are we doing there? >> 600 megabytes a second.

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>> 600. >> 600. Yeah. >> Compared to the 9980X almost actually

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50% faster. >> So, we're getting the full benefit of those cores. Like full benefit. How do

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they build this? AMD TSMC tour. Maybe

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talk to your buds, get it arranged. We'd love to do it. How are we doing this

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with only 128 threads, though? It's not even using all of the CPU cores. It's

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just all the extra memory bandwidth. I guess the me memory bandwidth and the

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extra clock speeds. I guess we got room to breathe, assuming we got room to

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cool. All right, let's do it. Let's hook up the chiller. Go, Bruce. Chillis, it's

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been a while. It's set to 5° C, which is probably a little low if we're trying to

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avoid condensation. We haven't insulated the board in any way. So, why don't we

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start around 14? Oh, we already overshot

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it. Brilliant. Good job, Bruce. Bruce,

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uh, is that on? >> Yeah. Okay, because we're going to need

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to start putting some heat into this thing. You need to calm down.

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>> Okay, let's just do Cinebench for now. I don't know if we're going to get any more speed out of it.

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>> Not without actually changing the CPU multiplier, I don't think.

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>> Yeah. >> And every single core is pinned at 4.8

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GHz. And now that our coolant temperature is under control, we're

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peaking at 51°.

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Isn't it crazy to imagine that you have 500 amps and 800 watts going through

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those tiny little pins on the back of the CPU? Bring back the blender. Oh,

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wait. Did we get a score? >> 8311. Not as not as good. You know what

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was hurting our scores though that I forgot? Cuz I got higher scores without it. We were OBS. Screen cap was hurting

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our scores a little bit. >> We're using the GPU for the screen recording though, right?

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>> It's still does distract your CPU a

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little bit. 3825. So, we are getting full performance in Blender.

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>> Yep. And we peaked at,30 watts. Oh, what

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was our peak temps there? 74 was our hottest. >> Let's go for smart clock speed. Let's

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turn off OBS so we don't have anything running in the background to the BIOS

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copter. Ah, the BIOS. Tweakers paradise they

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used to call it. They still call it that. Apparently they do. It's still

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there. That's great. Now look, a

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platform like this is going to have all kinds of arcane voltages and settings

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that you can play around with to get the absolute most out of them. But today,

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we're not getting into any of that. So, we're going to be laser focused on just

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a handful of settings. Our CPU core ratio we're going to set to almost

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exactly 50, just a little bit over. And we are going to disable any VRM

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throttling and peak current control.

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We're going to give this thing as much current as it could possibly ask for.

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>> Oh, and we're going to change the thermal limit. >> Ah, yes. Usually at 90, we're going to

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bump it up to 110. >> You hooked up a second power supply.

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>> Uh, wait, no, >> no, you didn't. >> This was just in case we wanted to game

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on it. I don't think the CPU could handle the slight voltage difference if

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they were both hooked up to two different power supplies. >> No, but we could hook the second one up

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to the GPU. >> That's the plan. >> Oh, yeah. I'm ready.

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>> Jumper to 20°. >> Oh god. >> 300 1,000.

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>> We're still at 1100 watts. I thought we were going to get more power.

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>> Yeah. Well, Cinebench isn't really that hard to run, apparently. 8242,

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>> but that's not as fast as the other one we did. If you want something that's going to hit it way harder and might

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show will show a better improvement. We could probably see that in Blender because that was the other one that

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benefited the most from PBO. >> We're only going to get a benefit here on loads that can't take advantage of a

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few cores boosting up even higher. >> Exactly. >> So, the way we've tuned it now is really

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only useful for multi multi-threaded

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workloads, which I mean I thought Cinebench was one, but I guess you just

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don't have enough threads for me, Cinebench. Okay, let's see how Blender

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does. Our time to beat for Blender is 39. >> All right. Are you ready?

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>> Yeah. >> The CPU is at 95°

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>> and it's pulling 1,900 W. >> This is terrifying. Did you say we're in

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a 1,600 W power supply? >> Yeah. >> I mean, we're well beyond the measurable

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range for CPU package power. That just doesn't work. >> So, the only prescribed limit right now

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in the BIOS is 2,000 W. >> 35.88.

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>> 10% would be about 4 seconds. That's about a 10% improvement. If we pull up

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something more aggressive like Prime 95 though, we will find that we're

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thermally constrained. >> Will we? >> Yes. Or maybe even power constraint.

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>> Will we?

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And there it goes. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just fully rebooted. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That makes sense.

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>> I'm amazed that at no point did our power supply trip >> and our breaker for that matter.

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>> If we're going to want to run a game, it might be in our best interest to use a

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second power supply for that guy. >> Okay, cool. Brilliant. So, we could fire

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up Cyberpunk, but I think the game everyone wants to know about is City

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Skylines 2. Can the Threadripper 9995WX

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finally tame this hot pile of City? 500

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watts in City Skylines 2. Hottest is 90

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85° C. We're using 3% of our memory,

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[laughter] >> but somehow 26% of our CPU and it's

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still chugging. This isn't even that big of a city. Have they still not fixed

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this thing? >> No. This game like it's just impossible to run because it's so broken at a core

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level like me that um it'll just never

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really work properly. Like this is not even high graphics settings.

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>> We're running at 1080p. This is the most powerful computer. It just doesn't

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matter when the the game is the bottleneck. Cyberpunk theoretically,

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right? If you're not familiar with this card, it's possible that NVIDIA's

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professional drivers, they just ain't that good at gaming. So, let's see. That

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ray trace lighting though, boys, >> that looks great.

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>> That does look great. >> 90 FPS.

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>> Oh god, he [laughter] officer. >> Officer, he jumped right in front of my

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car. >> You are the police. You don't have to worry. >> That was not my fault. >> It's 100% legal. Just run him over and

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make sure he can't he can't testify against you.

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In conclusion, this thing is a next level beast. So powerful that we

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struggled to find benchmarks that could even use all of its cores while still

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being relatable to consumers in any way. But spending more on our computer

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doesn't necessarily make for a smoother experience. We had issues with

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motherboards, with the RAM controller, with PBO performance optimization. See,

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the core problem here is that both HDT or high-end desktop and workstation are

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relatively small niches of hardcore compute folks, folks who are going to be

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expected to go and chase support from the system integrator or the V who

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provided their equipment. So, yeah, it's

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a bummer that enthusiasts can't buy these Threadripper Pro chips from

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official sources. But even if they could, it'd be hard to recommend them to

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anyone who isn't making copious amounts of money with their PC. So, it's time

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for the uncomfortable conversation if you missed it earlier. This chip goes

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for somewhere around $12,000

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if you can find a source for it, which AMD will not give you officially. You

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add a terabyte of RAM for another 10 grand plus. I mean, who knows what's

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going on with that. and I don't know, a couple of pro NVIDIA GPUs for 10gs plus

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a pop and all of a sudden a WRX automobile starts to look more practical

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than a WRX computer. But for the folks

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who need this kind of performance, like you're a university or an engineering

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lab and you need to run simulations, sure, you could book access to the

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supercomput or you could have 25 meetings to get a server in the

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university rack. Or you could just have one meeting, get this thick boy in your

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It's only got 64 cores, though, so I don't even know if it'll excite