and welcome to the wan show ladies and
gentlemen this is a bit of a tale in between my legs show and i'll be talking
about that in a little bit more detail later but um
we made a video that you guys didn't like very much and i feel like i need to
address that um youtube also rolled out some new
stuff new copyright claim system and new monetization efforts which is cool
and there's some other kind of general you know intel's doing some rumory stuff
and nintendo switch light was announced and other fun things
yeah we've actually got a lot of great topics for you guys today uh jono did
the lan show document and well he also did it last week which was part of the
reason that we didn't really didn't have anything to talk about last week whoa but that's okay because uh i gave him
some coaching this week and he checked in with me about the topics ahead of
time and i think there's actually some some discussion meeting here uh there's
a bit of a
a non-controversy which to me in and of itself is
kind of controversial um so amd said that pci express gen 4
would not work on previous generation motherboards
and then asus went out and published a list of previous gen boards that
it'll work on and it's it's a funny thing because um i
think that amd fanboys aren't really going to like my take on this but
my my feeling is that if the same thing had happened with intel
people would be shrieking about it and now that it's happening with amd it's
like oh that's pretty cool so
let's get let's get to that a little bit later but first let's go ahead and roll
the intro and uh we'll chat about these topics in a little bit here all right
uh
uh okay was it just one go ahead and pop
that up there kind of looks like it was just one and
back to us okay so
um why don't we jump right into
the video that we uploaded today so this is something
that i've actually addressed on the lan show in the past i'm just gonna fire it
up on my laptop here hopefully my my screen sharing is working here
um here we go
value noise cancelling headphones so there were a couple of things that went
wrong today i'm watching it you can do this uh yeah thank you appreciate that
so a couple of things that went wrong today first of all
oh yeah the video went up with entirely the wrong title um okay
yes we see that there's a little bit of lag on the youtube stream we are now
sort of way beyond not having an explanation for
it because the entire rancho pc has been swapped out there's a
cpu gpu yeah and it's it's even we used
to be on x264 encoding and now we're on nvenc
um it couldn't actually be any different than it is now we are back on the old
ethernet cable yeah also the uh like
re-transmitting server this yeah the splitter uh there was like some a little
bit of funkery there but that's all been updated and fixed and worked on and was
tested for the last half hour on a separate account yeah so it's starting
to get to the point where um
robert by the way know your super chat is not pre-recorded so it's starting to
get to the point where it's just like not really funny anymore yeah
we're just gonna have to power through the show here though guys
realistically twitch is probably better uh so you can head over to twitch and
watch there we still have no explanation for why that would be yeah uh anyway so
i'm gonna go ahead and pull up the video that we did today so this video
was called and this was mistake number one it was called why is everybody
buying these headphones which was actually just one of those complete
bone-headed errors and i'm not going to throw anyone under the bus but i think
we can all guess who it is that usually makes those particularly egregious
errors on the channel and never actually does get fired because i love him so
much um anyway someone grabbed the wrong title i
have no idea where it came from i actually did see that that title was on
the pre-release video file but i didn't really think anything of it i thought
maybe just one of the editors was confused about it and named the file
that and that like the the file name is not generally anything to do with the
actual name of the video once we go live but somehow it ended up with the name
of a series that we run on the channel
why is everybody buying this x that has never been sponsored before
whether it's sponsored by the retailer that we got it from or sponsored by the
the product that we featured it has never been sponsored before uh by
either of those two parties like third party sponsors sure you know your savage
jerky or whatever the case may be so that created initially a ton of
confusion and a ton of upset because all of a sudden we had a sponsored showcase
video to see whatever corner it is right there
sponsored by taotronics that seemed to be disguised as editorial
content something that we actually work really hard to not have happen which is
why thankfully at least at the beginning i oh actually i'm not sure i believe the
word showcase was already in there but it is supposed to be so if there's a
video that is just like here's information about a product but it's
sponsored by that company or by that product or by somewhere to get it it is
supposed to be clearly displayed in the title of the video so that you know and
in the video as as it is down in whatever corner i'm so oh it's not even
there that way my corner uh sponsored by
tautron okay so that was problem number one that people had with the video as
soon as nick was actually the one who spotted it as soon as nick saw that the
title wasn't right he had it changed this is what it was supposed to be value
noise cancelling headphones sound surge 46 showcase
okay oops so that one's pretty straightforward whoops are bad
the other one is a little bit more difficult to address and i feel like i'm
almost gonna have to do a complete video talking about this at some point in the
future because there seems to be a lot of confusion in people's minds about the
way that we handle our sponsored content so we made the decision it must
have been about a year ago now to start doing what we called uh showcases which
are essentially what most of the rest of the industry that is youtube
personalities is doing where essentially
there's some product or some service and
there's a sponsorship involved and you're basically given
a bullet point list of things to say about it
so our way of reconciling that because
obviously that's not editorial content that's not um you know
my opinion um the way that we reconciled that was okay here's the deal
audience we're gonna do these but we're gonna do them as extra releases so
you'll notice this video went up on a friday so instead of the linus tech tips
channel getting six normal videos plus wan show for a total of seven that's one
every day it was actually six normal videos plus
this one plus wan show so there were a total of eight videos so we didn't want
these sponsored showcases the sponsored content to interfere with our regular
upload schedule we didn't want you guys to feel like you were getting cheated
and you were missing out on an editorial or a project-based piece of content
because we had decided to do one of these showcases so that was number one
was we didn't want it to affect the volume of content that you guys get that
is our usual type
number two was we wanted to separate our opinion which
cannot be purchased from air time on our channel which can be
purchased so when i talk about buying airtime you are in much the same way
that you would sponsor a podcast or a radio show you are paying for the host
to read your talking points be it about savage jerky ridge wallet
the elgato stream deck or you know any number of other other
brands and products that have that have sponsored our show yeah sure ltx
the distinction then is you can pay for
words to be said but you cannot pay for
an opinion so that's where i feel like people are
really allowing the waters to get muddied in their minds
between reviews and sponsored videos
so a lot of the complaints about this video aside from the ones about the
title being wrong and it really was that was absolutely our mistake and we're
sorry that's our bad um a lot of the complaints
are that we didn't give an opinion this is this is a you know i could hear
i'm just gonna i'm gonna scroll down and find something here because i'm sure it
won't be that hard okay here's one that i pinned because i did respond to him
um so what other than the requested sponsored talking points can you give us
anything of your own or are you just reading off their marketing material
the answer is i am reading off their marketing material and when it comes to
any other sponsored piece of content so
are they that's how it works
anytime i were to give you guys an opinion in a sponsored piece of content
i'm not talking about like picking it up like so here's a ridge
wallet you know it's made of carbon fiber feels pretty solid i am demonstrating that
it's solid yes i'm saying it feels pretty solid to me or whatever but that
is a that is a demonstrable objective fact it's it's really well built that's
not really an opinion even though it's being presented in the form of an
opinion um and so any time
we are giving an uh if we were to give opinions in our sponsored content then
we create a really awkward and a really dangerous
crossover between a review and that is a
word that we use very carefully a review
cannot be sponsored by the subject of the review because there is an inherent
obvious conflict of interest that prevents any information in that review
from being taken at its face value so we keep a review separate from a sponsored
showcase because yes that is exactly
what a sponsored video is now
some sponsors in fact howtronics was one of them do allow us to give you guys
useful information we did mention some of the more negative points of those
headphones in the video and in fact we run into this a lot of the time
especially brands that wear their their big kid pants and are
willing to take criticism we'll even allow it in a sponsored video but what
you guys need to understand is that every brand
towtronic cisco intel amd nvidia anyone that we've ever worked with over the
years has a say in a sponsored piece of content so
anything that is in that finished video and this goes not just for us but any
channel that you watch at least the ones where at least they disclose it any
channel you watch that does a sponsored video
the brand that sponsored it had to say and if there was something they didn't
like it was probably removed depending on the contract i would say with
98 certainty that would have been removed i
mean there are going to be creators out there that have more power that have
more weight to throw around and say no this is my artistic vision it stays and
we've been able to throw that weight around a fair number of times but
sometimes it doesn't work or the contract isn't
favorable or whatever the case may be so be clear about it not working just
because i feel like this could get misconstrued in some way if it doesn't
work the video just doesn't come out it's not like
he'll say something that he strongly doesn't believe in and release the video
anyways just he's like well they strong-armed me the video just won't come out and the contract will not be
made and that has happened yeah um like has 100 happen yes
um so then so you know addressing a few more
of the most upvoted comments here because i feel like this is a really important topic not just on our channel
but in general it's something that's really important for you guys to understand
um so why is everyone okay no yeah sorry
that was about the title it's uh super this is an ad with no actual content wtf
yes that's why it says sponsored by taotronics and that's why it says
showcase in the title because at the end of the day that's basically what it is
and the wtf is this was an extra piece of content we labeled it with showcase
after the fact and i'm really sorry about that we labeled it with showcase
if you don't want to see it don't watch it
that really is our stance on them something i want to throw in personally
as a technically outside person on this is i hadn't watched this at all sat here
and watched part of it before the show there are parts of the video where you
criticize it i know you mentioned this earlier people are saying there's
literally no points that aren't in the sponsor spot there's like
no way that's true because they're not going to put in the sponsor spot hey
this button is i don't remember exactly how you worded it but not great and
takes a little bit of getting used to that's not going to be in the sponsor spot so like
yeah i hear you guys but so this is this is another really great example right
here of exactly the mentality that we
need to we need to kill
um i don't mind sponsored videos but this
was just a four minute ad there was no review or anything if it's sponsored
there is no review period that's not how these contracts work and
you don't want them to work that way no you don't you want reviews to be really
really clearly separated from anything that is sponsored in a way that could
create a conflict of interest absolutely um
that's like very important
so yeah i mean most of the complaints
probably the most blatant clickbait title i've seen nobody not a single soul
linus everybody is buying this and that's that's fair because the original title is is crazy i i will throw another
defend in that lioness media group has published like what thousands of videos
at this point there's gonna be oopsies and titles every once in a while it's
still bad this one is particularly still particularly because it wasn't just
it didn't sort of it didn't just violate our own standards for
what constitutes click bait yeah it it violates our our editorial oh it's
bad all i'm saying is people will make mistakes so we're clear that it's bad oh
it's bad it's really bad um but like i wouldn't and pointing it out you know
what solid because it needs to be pointed out so that it gets changed et
cetera et cetera et cetera um but like i don't know i'd measure your pitch for
goodness because it was changed quickly oh
surprise luke is defending lmg well no crap i think it's also very reasonable
there was a mistake they understood it was a mistake they changed the title the
showcase content has been happening forever uh there are legitimate
criticisms within a showcase video which in my opinion is marginally above and
beyond i mean there were a couple of things that we felt were really important to
mention um like the fact that you know what they sound pretty darn good i'm not
being sponsored right now say whatever the hell i want they sound pretty darn
good but not at full volume someone mentioned that in the comments mentioned that i hadn't seen that part of the
video but yeah someone mentioned that in twitch chat that you guys said that as well
like that's there there was extra stuff added on so we we mentioned
the main drawbacks to them like to be clear
they're fine we wouldn't have taken the deal if we
thought they were a bad deal also there's a bunch of content especially
earlier on where if you watched lions videos from quite a long time ago when
we used to do more headphone coverage mostly unboxings he's mirroring the same
comments these are opinions he's had for a long time not that opinions shouldn't
be able to change over time but like a lot of the things that you said were not
surprising to me because i remember holding a dinky camera and listening to
you say the same stuff now i have had people upset um particularly about the
fact that i didn't ream on it for having a micro b usb port so i can explain why
that would be um the cost to implement usb type c is significantly higher
not just in terms of the actual solder connections because there are more of
them and they're finer but in terms of the r d because it is a
more complex standard by complex standard i mean it is like
many different standards many of which don't
necessarily work properly with each other building a device that charges
over usb type c is not trivial and there's a reason that even large
companies like logitech are still shipping gaming mice with usb micro b
connectors now with someone like logitech
um i have less sympathy because
luke has personally visited their r d facilities i think they can figure out
how to put a usb type-c connector on this yeah they're kind of amazing actually with taotronics given the price
point and given the fact that a device like this
would not have as clear a benefit from type c as some others would like a mouse
in particular now logitech mitigates this somewhat by putting reinforcements
around their type-c connectors at the end of their mice so it doesn't put as much strain on it but with a device like
a mouse where you're actually moving it around while it's charging sometimes
there's a clear and obvious reason to use a more durable connector like a type
c this is a pair of headphones that you'll probably charge once every few
days for a span of a couple years until you lose them or whatever so micro b
yeah it's not as good but it doesn't need fast charging over type c like it
doesn't need you know 30 watt charging or anything crazy like that
it would be more convenient to not have to carry an extra cable but they are a value option as opposed to a you know
199 or 299 pair of active noise cancelling headphones so i was willing
to be um i was willing to not ream on it
and there's no way again remember this is a sponsored piece of content there's
no way i was going to be able to ream on it hard because this is a
sponsored piece of content so why wasn't it in there because
given the context i was willing to not ream on it and i wouldn't have been able
to ream on it anyway
all right well i think that's pretty much
all i have to say about that yeah
oh speaking of all i have to say about that i ate at bubba gump's for the first
time ever yesterday but but gumps yes oh down in okay yeah
yeah so i actually i and while i was sitting there i didn't um yeah well i
was down in la for a meeting that was to do with vidcon but i wasn't at vidcon
because i left before vidcon started that sounds like the best way to do
vidcon yeah like hands down it was kind of amazing i
had like the best meeting ever i i'm so bad with names and i'm really
embarrassed um and so this sucks but uh cgp gray was
there tom scott was there
youtube's head of search and discoverability was there
which was really important yeah and there were definitely some key insights that this
is not the kind of meeting that i can go and like make a youtube video about
and tell you guys all about but it was it was really good to just be able to
have that kind of open discussion around the dinner table um there was uh
i think her first name's rebecca she's absolutely huge she does kids content
i forget her last name zamolo zamalo
something like that um there was a guy who has a really cool channel that's
like tips for creators um there was the guy who did the uh the
arcade arcade tricks or like arcade cheats or something like
that arcade hacks um
um cheats or something what's this ah
what's his name
shoot rebecca zamolo yeah yeah that's her
so she's it's not the kind of content that i think you folks would necessarily
enjoy but um she's super popular yeah
ah dang it i can't i can't find i can't
find him right now uh nobody is
nobody is helping me in the chat mark robert mark robert mark robert he
was oh okay arcade scam science yeah yeah yeah yeah so he was there so it was
like honestly i felt kind of b-list
um but i think i got an invite just because i cornered one of their execs at
um at the top creator summit and was like
asking a bunch of questions and he was just like
we're thinking of having like a dinner come to that and talk to these people
directly so it's really cool i'm finally getting to the point where
we have like a real relationship with youtube actually
one of the people who was there um got to launch
a popular product for the first time in pretty much forever and that leads
really perfectly into one of our topics for today um so the head of uh content id
was actually at dinner oh yeah this is cool yeah okay um yeah so the original
article here is from the youtube creator's blog
and he was really excited about this so content id
now requires claimants to provide more information and provides better
i grow a bunch of disc plates that's fine i mean hey that's the benefit of durable
aluminum wall hangings you can trip and throw them all over the
floor and they'll still be okay all right are they banned uh no way okay
cool no no it's fine don't don't yeah it wasn't wasn't that bad doesn't sound that bad yeah um anyway so better uh so
better uh tools to resolve manual content id claims so this actually would
have solved that drama problem that we had a while back yeah where
our content id system through our mcn
was claiming anyone's video that had i think it was either unigine valley or
union heaven benchmark in it because we had lots of videos with that
first apparently and then other people uploaded footage and it went ah that's
linus media groups content and then they had their videos content id claims which
to be clear is not the same thing as a copyright strike and it's actually no
big deal once you get it resolved there's no long-term lasting damage you
don't even lose your adsense anyway
now it's way easier to resolve these things so in the past the copyright
claims system had been abused and used to extort creators in some cases
so manual claiming is a tool within content id that allows you to
do things like go uh hey youtube's automated system didn't
find this six notes of our song
um you know automatically flag it so
we're going to go in we're going to manually say hey that's from our song we
actually had this happen a while back with um a monitor video we had like a meme and
it was basically like like it was really that short
and the owner of that song came in they've created their own tools for
combing through videos they came in they claimed our entire video based on this
like six to eight notes of music or whatever it was and the way that a
a copyright claim works is that once someone else claims your video the video
stays up you lovely folks still get to enjoy it but all of the money that gets
made through adsense on that video goes to that copyright holder even if they
had nothing to do with 99.5
of the video content and it was just that
all of the money goes to them which is obviously not a perfect system but i
also understand why it would be that way because
you know you can't just you can't just grab like you know an iconic song like
acdc highway to hell or something and use you know
five to ten seconds of it in every one of your videos and expect that
that's okay because you didn't create that that's not yours it doesn't work
that way yeah and you also can't just tell ac dc well hey these guys put three
hours of black frames at the end of their video which makes you effectively
.02 of the content so here's your 0.02
percent of the adsense that's not fair either because clearly you the creator
felt you were significantly enhancing your piece of content by stealing
someone else's work or you wouldn't have included it i mean in that case you definitely did
um sorry you definitely did what if you put three hours of black frames oh yeah yeah
you're definitely abusing the system um and you're significantly enhancing
your content yeah so so anyway um
to combat so so this is
this is a move in the creator's direction
after a lot of previous moves that appeared to be designed to help
copyright holders enforce their copyright to a degree that
i as a youtuber felt was unfair we ended up having to edit that video and
re-upload it without that meme in it because giving someone else all the
adsense from a video that we spent a lot of time and money creating for their
couple seconds of of music just doesn't make any sense to us
so now here's what's here's what's going on so
content id can work automatically by scanning blah blah blah okay so
um okay jono's notes on this are not
amazing but basically starting today and
i think that's two days ago three days ago they are requiring copyright owners
to provide timestamps to indicate exactly where their content appears in
the videos that they manually claim which is nice this was a big problem
like in that video i watched through the entire video without actually realizing
what the problem was all i could see was that it had been claimed by some
music conglomerate and i was like what what are you talking
about so i messaged our editor i went yo wtf what happened here are aren't we
using all i think we were on uh warner chappell at the time like aren't we
using all licensed music that we we have rights for and they go
yeah and then someone finally clued in i think it was actually a comment on the
video that alerted us to this that that that meme
was from a song like that little portion
of it and um so so it wasted a bunch of our time when
the claimant could have just said hey this is the problem now they don't want
to do that because that's not actually the outcome they're after think about it
from their perspective would they rather have you quickly edit their crap out of
your video or would they rather take your money
in the they get 100 of it kind of scheme they definitely just want the money
scheme is definitely the right word here yeah um
so they have to provide timestamps now for exactly which part of your video is
manually being claimed and youtube is providing their editing tools to remove
the content claimed manually in your video which will now automatically
release the claims this isn't going to solve all problems no
but it should be way more helpful than what they have now
yeah so right now you've got a few different options you can mute all sound when the
claimed song plays you can replace the song if you don't
want to mute the audio entirely so you can instead swap out the music with one
of their to use songs from the youtube audio library
although that might not necessarily be a perfect solution we actually had someone
claim a youtube audio library song once because the performance
was licensed by youtube but the actual original sheet music was still
copyrighted in germany of all places anyway or you can trim out the content so you
can just cut it out and then an edited version
will show up on youtube after the fact and they are still working on
improvements like having an explicit trim option in the video copyright info
page that'll allow you to trim it out with just one click and
remember of course that the same tools from before where you could dispute
these claims do still exist if you think the claim is incorrect or covered under
fair use or just completely irrelevant like those unigine valley and unigine
heaven claims you can just say hey this is invalid here's the reason i think so
and we've actually found that most of the time um like wan show uh we've been
flagged on wancho a lot of times back when we used to show game trailers yeah
uh we've been flagged by the game trailer owners and i'm kind of sitting here going
you left in serious mate so dumb you're going to take our money for promoting
your sorry we advertising yeah sorry for the free promotion
dumbass um so we've actually disputed those in the
past saying i'm sure this was an accident no one in
their right mind at nintendo would be mad that they showed their trailer
nintendo definitely gets salty about that um i actually do think that
nintendo was one that did not release it i'm sure they were
i'm looking at it going like you guys are just idiots because we are just
never ever ever going to talk about one of your new games again they're getting
good jobs slightly better at this time i'd be getting slightly better but like
wow yeah yeah it's like how stupid do you
have to be to get mad at someone for promoting a trailer for your content
this is an awesome looking game check it out flagged we might not have said it
looked awesome we probably did it's a nintendo game we probably did we're both
they're basically all awesome yeah um on
the subject of nintendo one more topic before we do our sponsors uh switch
light yay or nay yeah absolutely you know what you know what i'm going to do
it i'm going to attempt the gods oh geez here it is oh no here it is oh
no no wait no i don't no it's just a hard mail forget it
we'll see if his shoe takes the whole video yeah we'll see we'll see if we
give up all of our adsense over that what do you think do you disagree with me um i don't i wasn't listening i was
busy oh i said yay you said yay yeah why
uh it's considerably cheaper it's 100 cheaper and it's effectively a 3ds
replacement okay which like
they weren't gonna keep going with 3ds and we've known that for a long time
okay so i'm going to say
it's complicated okay
i see we're going here okay so go ahead yep yep
these prices are all over the place for once i'm not 100 sure what's going on there the one that i saw that's price
competitive with the switch light i would be concerned about used switches
are a little bit sketchy that's true because they close black
screen oppo they could be blacklisted they have an
exposed screen it's fairly likely for the screens to be
scratched especially if people were not very careful careful with docking them
yeah and that's going to be something that might be a little bit visually hard to tell in an ebay ad
it has a not very easily user replaceable battery
yep so i would be a little bit concerned about that
and i don't think the fact that you can ebay
something that is used for a comparable price that a new thing is
like null and void no but maybe an enthusiast can take it
factor in a purchasing decision for me i'm not going to purchase a switch light
okay i think it's cool that it's on the market here's my other main problem yeah
that's bestbuy.com so that's u.s pricing sure um
so to me effectively what nintendo has done here
is they've knocked 100 off the price and you're getting the same gaming hardware
so you're gonna have the same gaming experience that you had at least on
mobile anyway the battery life is a little longer is it as far as i know
it's an updated chipset i think it's a new tiger chip i believe so the battery
life is a little bit longer the controllers are fixed so they're stuck
on the side and i believe the screen's a little smaller uh i don't know about the
screen i'm not sure but okay so here's my problem is they dropped a hundred
dollars off the price yes that's nice but you are giving up a lot
and giving up tv docking and removable controllers some of it you have the
ability to get back like for example there are games that
you cannot play on the switch light like mario party for example mario party
requires joy cons so if you can connect
joycons to switch light of course you can for 70 dollars oh yeah yeah okay but you
said you cannot play so now you've spent two hundred and seventy dollars
it is another thirty dollars
thirty bucks to get the one that just has
all the functionality that's where i run into trouble this is
like this is a console that is a switch
but it doesn't offer all the same experiences it's more like a game boy
it's not really a console
yes it doesn't dock i know you can't play it on tv i know i know it's not
really designed i hear you it's not really designed for mario party for 30
bucks look i've i've played more mario party
on the switch portably than i have on my tv
oh that's kind of weird on the plane why do you play mario party on the do you
play marker by yourself no with someone with someone
okay okay yeah okay yeah i'll play that mario party fairly small use cases okay
that's a niche i don't disagree with you but but
there i mean there's other nintendo acknowledged in their announcement that
you can't play one player all of them yeah yeah like there are games it won't
play you got to check the back of the game you got to see if it supports
handheld mode and if it doesn't you are
i think some fast majority of games are going to support it yeah especially
forward mario party is a good one to call out because that's a fairly made i
don't know how many parts it's a lot of fun yes i don't know how many people are
in a one-two switch yeah kind of a trash game no mario parties
yes i will give you that if i have to run out and spend 70
on top of the facts so here's another problem that i have first party nintendo
games are freaking expensive so
when we're talking about the price difference between
a switch and a switch light we're talking
one and a half games yeah but at the same time like if
you're a kid that one and a half games might be too much
yeah and then you should probably go buy a you should probably go try to very
much snipe a good deal on a used switch
somewhere else i do agree with that not everyone's going to do that
a lot of them comfortable buying users are not going to buy you a used switch a
lot of moms are not comfortable buying used stuff for their kid who you know
even if they're like like you know i get this story all the time like hey linus
my mom won't let me buy a used gpu on ebay because she says
it's it's it's sketchy i know it's a good deal it's like it's
it's one of those brands that still has that has a user transferable warranty
it's literally still under warranty help me convince her and i'm like look dude
there's nothing i can do to help convince you i couldn't convince my parents you're not going to be able to
convince yours i bet yeah my my mom was pretty cool about that we
my brother and i raised money and she drove us to buy a snes from some dude in
a parking lot when i was like 11 or something um but like but not everyone's
down with that yeah um i don't think it's a smoking deal i don't think it's
amazing i think it has a place though right a lot of people aren't going to buy you some people might want to just
play fire emblem and smash and literally nothing else
but if you're like okay people will buy
a device for that people just mobile you don't want to dock it
people will buy a console no well invalid
okay so so brandon you're a bit of a smash
enthusiast yes i like smash and fire emblem i said those games specifically
because of brandon okay so we're talking switch versus switch
light right now okay so do you know do you know about this yes i know about the social you media um
obviously we all do okay so at a hundred dollar delta okay
is the switch light a deal
i didn't say it's a smoking deal it's ahead of place i think it has yeah i
think i agree with luke i think it has it's okay so if you were someone who's
only gonna play fire emblem and smash yes is it not worth the extra hundred
dollars to be able to dock this isn't fair because brandon has a
sweet i just really really nice switch i
literally bought a switch like last week when before the switch light came out
now thinking back to that decision that i made last week i'd still make this i
was going to say i think you'd be still going first but again he has a nice tv
yeah and a really awesome couch a lot of people don't have all right but you
don't need to have a tv you can use your monitor you can absolutely sure there's
so many monitors but a lot of people are just going to want to like chill in bed
play another thing i see they do they not have friends a lot of kids don't
have uh a a yeah they do not have
friends why it's a valid question
it's fair but like they smash by themselves sometimes that
100 delta will be too much that's who you overcome but then i i stand by my
argument that that you should go buy a used but some people can't because
you're gonna you're okay you might not need joy cons eventually but okay here's
another thing too like if you want to talk resale value the switch is going to
hold its value it's going to hold some of that value when it's time to flip it
and get a switch to be fair basically all nintendo products hold value very
well and and the accessories except for like the weird so accessories for for
original wheeze okay so i was picking no they some of them not
bad like the tennis racket things okay no not that stuff that's what i but i'm talking like wiimotes yeah yeah we
motion plus wiimotes still hold value yeah the wii u i was picking up a wii u
a little while ago because one of our wiis like was having some kind of issue
and i was like oh you know what forget it let's just get a wii u anyway and
then i can do that data transfer thing and then i don't have to worry about the
wii dying and taking all my uh you know classic arcade whatever this virtual
console games with it and all that kind of stuff so we got it and i was like
shocked at how much a wii u still cost because because of the way that nintendo manages
their ip and they have these unique games these unique gaming the wii u
tablet controller still feels amazing yeah so they've got these unique
experiences that are available their consoles hold their value i would make
the argument that a switch light is going to go like
that compared to a switch which will still hold some value comparatively i
still think it'll hold this value better than a lot of things yeah but yeah i do
agree with that in general i think um
i do think like i think you're maybe underestimating the hundred dollar delta
yeah i think for a lot of kids that's a really big it's big my problem is that's
potentially a year but it's going to bite you later it's like when you need
joy cons it's going to bite you it's also going to eventually go on sale get
comboed with a game okay something like that okay now that's a different
conversation if it comes with fire emblem and it's like
229 now we're talking a two game difference
in price but right now it is a one and a half game right right now but it's that
i think that's still significant enough to make people accept these sacrifices
yeah they are they are sacrifices in a lot of cases the increased battery life
is really nice and that might be enough for some people
because charging the switch is actually a huge pain it is um i've already
noticed this the switch being fully mobile is actually very annoying
it is yeah how's it a pain charging the switch is his battery life is not very
good yeah his battery life is terrible yeah but i mean okay so maybe i maybe
i'm a unique case so now you're throwing in surprisingly expensive battery banks
hold on a second i find okay so
let me think first you know what though one thing i use my laptop charger
so i carry one usb type-c i carry my razer blade stealth laptop
charger which does my phone my switch and my laptop and they all last for long
enough that i don't need to close all three of them this kid that was barely able to save up for it
has a razor blade with a usb c charging
cable i'm just saying i haven't found charging the device to be a problem yeah
it's a little awkward a lot of people who buy a switch light are not gonna go
along and also buy a lot of the stuff that you need to make like that could
make the switch tv version better that's true but and so
like switch light is a good solution because like they're not going to spend
like because i think i i spent like another 100 on little things like sd
cards and like like pro controllers yeah like people who buy this which aren't going
to buy that so that's the thing when you buy a switch for the for your tv you're
buying a lot of other stuff on top of that yeah a lot of the time over time
and like i switched like you just kind of try and just play right away somewhat
bridge the gap all right thanks brandon by buying some of those things like
additional controllers and stuff and i think you have to assume if you're going
for a switch light you're probably buying nothing in addition other than games all right well that's fair enough
so you're in you're go the plan is to invest a lot less in the ecosystem and
if i was a parent maybe i'd get my kids to switch lights so that they don't have
to ask me for a pro controller and honestly that might sell a bunch of
these if the people are educated enough in the ecosystem to go like okay yeah it can't
connect to the tv it can't do all these other things or if i don't want my kids
on my tv or that so okay all right i think it has a place i
don't think it's a stunning value i don't think people should run out and
buy it right now because it's amazing if you're interested i would probably wait
until it's bundled with a game with a game yeah with a game
okay without a game i think it's a i think
it's a tough sell for me i don't think it's a great deal i don't like i think
it's interesting i don't like saving a dollar so that i can
spend two later okay but a hundred us dollars when you were 13. yeah it's a
lot of money but i know you probably would have bounced
and i probably would have done the same thing i bought low sold high i was
flipping stuff on craigslist like i was hustling yeah so i had a job i don't
like i don't feel bad yeah for people that can't raise a hundred dollars
because they're like too young to neither do it because again i had a job
but uh i can understand why they might
want to buy now to be clear that the thing i just said just now could sound
very out of touch to be clear i don't feel bad for like
suburban lower to upper middle class kids yeah
that can't scrape together a hundred dollars if you came from where we came
from yes then you should be able to yeah but if you're someone who is in a
situation where like you can't you don't even have time to go to school because
you are like working to support your family at 12 or whatever that's a
completely different situation i wasn't supporting my family with my job yeah
buying everquest subscriptions and video games
so i just want to make sure that that's really clear yes um
just just for those of you who are tuning in late we have no idea why the
stream is lagging on youtube it's fine on twitch it is literally exactly the
same stream so it actually still lags a little bit on twitch but it is considerably better okay so yeah we'll
we'll have to figure that out later yeah uh we think it's haunted um just wanted
to run through sponsors for you guys holy crap we are 45 minutes into the
show and we haven't talked about sponsors anthony did you want to jump in with something you were kind of standing
there patiently yeah i was just going to say that the 199 price for the switch
light yeah is basically what the 3ds used to cost when it first came out
right so to me that means that it's the new 3ds okay yeah luke said that yeah
like to me it's i would buy it because
it's more portable it is smaller oh it is smaller yeah okay
yeah it's smaller it's less like much smaller like my joy cons don't stick
really well anymore something to 5.5 inch so like it's
actually a smaller okay so it's quite a bit smaller specifically like a little
bit larger than a vita but it's not so okay so it's still like sort of
pocketable uh depending on your pocket yeah you need a
pretty epic pocket no i don't think so
ah maybe it takes my entire hand yeah you
probably up to like here all right mr big boy pockets here
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talking about how ridge wallet might be a sponsor and then they were i guess that's why it's sitting here i thought
maybe someone just left it here no so the ridge wallet lets you stop carrying
pointless garbage around in your pocket receipts old hotel room keys spent gift
cards all that kind of stuff if you don't have the space for it then it's a
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the ridge wallet is designed with two metal plates that are bound by a strong
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they've got a belt clip on them or you can just slip
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guaranteed they're also rfid blocking so you they can't people can't use like
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cool well also we have a lot of meat well actually no sorry just to be clear
the nitrates are not the carcinogen it's the reaction between the nitrates and
something something that creates a carcinogen
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all right do we have any other important topics today i kind of feel like we
covered all the uh like really important stuff the major
things the google employee listing in thing is pretty interesting now we got
to talk about the um the pcie gen 4 compatibility drama i
want to throw in a thing for this really quick at some point okay let's do it now let's do it now
okay so google employee's secretly listening and we don't really have to go into this too deeply in my opinion um
there's google employees that are listening in to um google home
data and listening to conversations including conversations that were
definitely not intentionally triggered
i'm sure this is happening with all of them i was talking to wendell at
uh computex we talked about a ton of stuff wendell's
an amazing person is very fun hanging out with him but one of the things we started talking
about is there's someone has designed or a group of
people i don't remember sorry i didn't remember the story until i saw
this this exact topic but they designed this 3d printed housing that you can put
on i believe it was for an alexa but you could probably put it on a you could
probably modify it to go on a google home as well that like covers it and
then has a little i believe if i remember correctly it has a little speaker in it that constantly blares
noise at it and it's called a brain
it's playfully called a brain slug because that plays on to something from
a show that i don't remember and people get really mad at me but i think it's rick and morty um so basically it's
constantly blasting like white noise isn't it futurama futram might be oh i
think it's futurama yeah uh it's constantly blasting white noise and the
brain slug is now listening for you but it's all local stuff it doesn't call out
to external servers so if you say the keyword the brain slug wants to hear the
brain slug will stop blasting noise and then you can talk to your automation
device wow and that's actually awesome that is next level i think that
is so cool and i've wanted to make one for a while even though i don't run
these devices i just want to make one because i think they're cool
and i probably screwed them things up and i'm sorry wendell and whoever made
that project but super cool so
this is pretty funny um google's defense of this behavior was
that only 0.2 percent of all audio clips are being used
that's a lot that's a huge amount
that's one in every 500. that means i
guaran like not technically guaranteed but it's extremely likely that i have
something in here of me going set a reminder for it but
you know my herpes appointment or whatever
but that's the thing okay luke has a highly recognizable
voice so let's say that he did set an embarrassing reminder or something like
that even if he was intending to talk to his assistant yeah
it's a personal assistant yeah not a
hey i'd love for someone in uh in a data center somewhere to really like listen
to this and go wow is that luke lefronier
the conversation with wendell came up because i was talking about how i don't like these services because i would love
to have something local and how a long time ago i had spun up this project to
try to uh mesh together a whole bunch of
microphones in my house and have them
dictate to a file that i was going to be constantly reading to see for my own
keywords and triggering events on my own and all this kind of stuff but it was quite a long time ago and he actually
said there's a bunch of projects that i would be able to use to accomplish it a
lot easier now which is very cool again talking to wendell is always fantastic
but um that's how we got onto this thing because these are so they're so creepy
uh nick you've been standing here very patiently do you want to talk to the uh
the wen show yeah i mean for a minute i thought you were going to say luke has
herpes he's a recognizable voice not that i
know of have you talked about your super fashionable t-shirt that you're wearing
no i haven't yet oh well that's now the top selling t-shirt is the lightest
texture really above hard drive i actually like
hard drive better hard drive has only been on sale half as long oh okay uh
yeah so there you go processor t-shirt it's for sale it's really nice i really
like it there's also this one you can also get the elemental shirts which uh don't sell
very well this shirt exists yeah check it out alternatively we're gonna have
those two for 30 at ltx hard drive is the hard drive's pretty awesome i really
like this one um what else is there to say we're out of
stock of most of the sizes of stealth hoodie are we out of all of them there's
only one there's one stealth there's one stealth hoodie in stock well it says
sold out online so yeah uh they'll be back in stock next week they'll be back
next week and uh hopefully by next week we will also be launching our underwear
oh yeah you want some underwear yes yeah i bet you did i've already told them i
think you're talking i think you'll take anything free oh yeah yes so can i pitch
you something crazy okay to promote the launch of the underwear yeah we do the
show naked but wearing underwear
are we like standing no yeah so we'll look i can't see them
anyways then that's fine are we gonna ban from twitch i don't know
oh yeah nipples well wow oh how does that work you tape over them don't paint
them we could we could paint them because that's a
whole section we could wear bras oh my god we could wear bra we could
wear bra okay but hold on a second i i need to know how this works is actually
important because you're a twitch partner so if you show your nipples on
someone else's channel oh does that affect your channel yeah
yeah okay so if like doctor disrespect showed up on linus tech yeah and was
like streaming in the bathroom or whatever that's on him not me temporarily banned
for cool oh it's on both of us all right yeah all right just just just clearing
the air here just clearing the air so bras all right so bras might be the answer i think actually you're not even
going to be here oh you're not here next week okay next week then we'll find a
time um yeah all right asus publishes x47
and b450 gen4 compatibility chart so
um let's see this was posted by cb4 member on the
linux tech tips forum and basically amd's official position about
pci express gen4 compatibility
has been that only x570
and their ryzen 3rd gen processors together give you the capability to run
pci express gen 4 which is double the speed of pci
express gen 3 at the same link width
however asus actually just published a chart of
their motherboard so we've got this here on hexis.net
showing that some of their last generation x470 and even their more
value-oriented b450 boards
have pcie gen4
support or capability so ironically
none of their rog boards have gen 4 16x support
so you know that's pretty funny but some of their prime and tough series boards
actually do so you could plug a pcie gen 4 graphics card into your system and get
a gen 4 link if you have a ryzen 3rd gen processor installed in it and actually
quite a lot of the boards support pcie
gen 4 for the m.2 slot which in my opinion is actually a little bit more
important because pcie gen 4 16x is so
far beyond what a graphics card needs at this point in time outside of some very
specialized workloads that faster storage is probably a more practical
use for pci gen pcie gen 4 at this point in time
now what i actually don't have any clarification on at this point because i
haven't actually read the article is how this affects the link between the cpu
and the chipset i would imagine that's still a gen 3 link because the chipset
itself is not gen 4 capable to my knowledge but
for the rest of it the way that it works is your cpu is just it's pci express
pins are just connected to those slots or to that m.2 slot so as long as the
signaling quality is sufficient it can negotiate a gen 4 link on these boards
as long as the device on the other end is pcie gen4 it's just it's just copper
like that's what it is it's copper now the way that they route the traces has
to be better for pcie gen 4 so that you avoid interference and that's why asus
is saying well hey look these boards aren't going to handle it because
of whatever reason or if you had something like a pci express
switch or something if that doesn't have gen 4 capability
you're not going to you're not going to be able to necessarily handle actually i don't know how would a plx chip be
affected by that i would think it would have to be natively gen 4. don't quote me on that maybe i'll have to get back
to you on that anyway the point is it looks like there are some boards with
pcie gen4 capability from the last generation which kind of eliminates the
one key benefit of x570 especially because a lot of them are passively
cooled
okay so i'm going to bring you back a little bit yeah please because
you just talked about how it's very interesting but something you mentioned
at the beginning of the show was the controversy problem
where a lot of people are going oh cool but you think if it was the other team
they would be getting really mad yeah so intel had something similar where they
had a line of chips that
i'm going to screw up the code names coffee like so they had a line of chips
that could have worked on their z170 and z270 boards and intel decided to
say no they're not compatible and
because while some boards would have worked
and that was proven enthusiast members of the community got
coffee lake chips working by spoofing ids or masking pins
or doing whatever funny things that the community does i love you guys so much you're amazing um so they actually made
coffee like chips work on previous generation boards
and so i guess this is just
so i said that at the beginning of the show but i'm actually not sure that i agree with it anymore it doesn't fully
feel the same yeah there's a bit of a difference in the way that they handled it so amd still has time
to pull an intel on this and lock it down like manually lock it down which is
what intel did but the stance that amd is taking here is
not actually that different where they're saying look because we don't
want to create confusion be in the in the marketplace we're just going to say
x570 yes everything else no
that's it and that's exactly what intel did because there were previous
generation boards that wouldn't work with it either because the vrm design
wasn't good enough for any other number of reasons they said well then
nothing because our compatibility matrix
cannot be that complicated because you got to remember and this is a little funky you would kind of expect top of
the line rog boards to support it and
the fact that they don't is weird and kind of confusing yeah the fact that the
lower end ones the fact that the like tough and prime boards do is like
okay so by keeping the message simple hey the new gen works the old one
doesn't you avoid ticking off the customer who just spent
400 on a crosshair whatever and now has less functionality today
than the b450 guy than the b450 guy that saved a buck last time um
which like i mean that's great and it's cool that they have support but i totally understand why this would be
confusing it's like the inverse of what you'd expect and keeping the messaging
clean can be the best bet a lot of the time because
um i mean a perfect example of this is giveaways you guys might have noticed we don't do a lot of giveaways on our
channel the reason for that is that for every one person that you make happy you
piss off ten thousand oh yeah and so
for someone like an intel or an amd for every one enthusiast that they make
happy by enabling this feature and optane was another one
where it could have been back ported to older generation boards
but they didn't because they didn't want to make it confusing for every
enthusiast that you please out of the last generation you are going to create
a bunch of confusion with normies who don't understand why their stuff doesn't
work um so i get it but i also think amd so far
has been better about this in that they are at least allowing it to work rather
than manually locking it off um
yeah so something interesting how you talked about like enabling things can
sometimes be bad doing giveaways can sometimes be bad interesting random
little tidbit we added casting to the app but it was in a known
somewhat buggy state but it would probably work for a lot of people and
we're like oh we can release this version it says that it's an alpha every
single time we release a new version of the app there's a big pop-up talking
about everything and we say specifically in there casting might be buggy
average ratings for the app went down
when we added casting as a feature because people were like hey casting
doesn't work bam get wrecked instead of
people going like oh five star it'll be cool when more features come
now they're going like feature got here didn't fully work even though you said
it might not get wrecked and it's like it's interesting i'm not complaining
it's just an interesting observation that sometimes giving people something
is not actually great because if it doesn't work properly or someone else or
if someone else doesn't get it or whatever it's going to create animosity
and that makes sense um it was just it was a really interesting observation so
you can be app i'm going to throw this in here really quick ios app is like
very much on the way it just takes so much longer to do anything in
relation to apple than it does with google holy crap our app has to be manually
reviewed by like a person and i have to like give
them a write-up explaining the app and how it works and all this kind of stuff
that they have to read before it can be test flighted
for like not even actual release
and then we have to do that and then we're going to have to actually release it at which point i believe it has to be
manually reviewed again but i'm not certain on that and it's going to take like a few
business days to get manually reviewed so it's coming
i don't know exactly when because it's kind of in their court but
it's on the way yeah all right
wanna go play some video games yeah let's do it all right so
food's here yeah heck yeah all right so we're heading to the lounge uh good
night ladies and gentlemen see you again next week same bad time same bad channel
bye hey wait you're going to do something next week should people be like
looking out for you there uh i'll be at iem
chicago yeah yeah so luke's gonna be there um intel
sponsoring you yeah if i recall correctly so i don't i think i'm building a computer or something uh
you're doing some streams i think in panels cool so guys check him out he's
gonna be at iem in chicago don't miss it if you're going to iem in chicago yeah
otherwise i'm not to say like get on a flight to see this guy because you're going to do that come to lts yeah
i was literally just going to say all right bye