WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:06.520 it's no surprise that the most popular controllers are first-party ones 00:00:04.120 --> 00:00:10.080 especially the modern Xbox controller and that makes a lot of sense it's a 00:00:08.440 --> 00:00:14.480 premium controller with a comfortable shape and it just works with all your 00:00:12.040 --> 00:00:18.640 modern PC games and even with other consoles like the Nintendo switch if you 00:00:16.240 --> 00:00:23.840 get the right dongle but what is a surprise is that in the dumpster fire of 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:28.679 Cheaper alternative controllers are some downright excellent options with some of 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:35.120 them going for less than $30 so we answered the title's question 00:00:31.720 --> 00:00:36.879 already it's this because it's good but 00:00:35.120 --> 00:00:42.800 what we haven't answered is what you should be buying and that is a bit more 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:46.079 complicated unlike this simple segue to 00:00:42.800 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--> 00:01:42.360 standard which is still used especially for complex flight and racing rigs its 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:47.560 limitations because of the standard Xbox layout allow it to be much more easily 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:51.560 implemented strangely enough the second best-selling controller is the only D 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:57.960 input controller that we're going to see today the ps5s Dual sense can it still 00:01:54.560 --> 00:02:02.479 be used for PC games short answer yes 00:01:57.960 --> 00:02:04.640 long answer yeah yes but it depends on 00:02:02.479 --> 00:02:09.080 how much tinkering you want to do four out of the five games that we tested 00:02:06.520 --> 00:02:14.319 needed some kind of manual remapping now there are wrappers like steam input or 00:02:11.480 --> 00:02:19.400 DS for Windows that will wrap the D input in an xinput container that should 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:23.200 fix these issues and in games where the developers build in Native support for 00:02:21.160 --> 00:02:27.080 the Dual Senses extra features it is one of our favorite controllers especially 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:30.599 in games that heavily make use of the d-pad we're going to have it and every 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:35.840 controller we recommended from this video linked down below but enough about 00:02:33.480 --> 00:02:40.400 controllers that cost almost a 100 loonies I said that there are great 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:47.159 controllers you guys are buying for $30 or less and this next one is not one of 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:50.200 them the Logitech f310 has remained 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:52.959 mostly unchanged since its release 00:02:50.200 --> 00:02:59.280 in 2010 making it probably our best fit for 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:04.200 the title here because honestly guys why is every everyone still buying this 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:09.360 controller it looks like a little brother Edition for the PS2 and honestly 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:14.159 it feels like one too I mean is this really the best that Logitech can come 00:03:11.200 --> 00:03:21.799 up with I mean it's apparently kept at least 25,000 of you reasonably happy but 00:03:17.799 --> 00:03:23.840 look at the way the d-pad Jiggles and no 00:03:21.799 --> 00:03:27.959 they like that they love it I mean I guess if that's what you're 00:03:26.040 --> 00:03:33.400 used to there's also the wireless variant the f710 which is also pretty 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:39.840 fine if you like your controllers to feel like a Brick In fairness The Price 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:41.799 is Right at just 20 and $40 respectively 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:45.200 and logitech's established reputation for warranty service sets them apart 00:03:43.480 --> 00:03:49.879 from many other competitors in this price class I mean only the best will do 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:53.840 for billionaires who need to visit the Titanic of course while we're combing 00:03:52.079 --> 00:03:58.680 The Depths it's probably worth seeing if we can find something a little better oh 00:03:56.560 --> 00:04:02.840 here's a more recent top performer the 8bit do ultimate C has been sitting 00:04:01.040 --> 00:04:07.120 among Amazon's best sellers pretty consistently for months and is racking 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:14.000 up four and a half star reviews at an incredible rate its MSRP is $30 with 00:04:11.040 --> 00:04:19.600 frequent discounts down to just 20 bucks and that is with a 2.4 GHz wireless 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:26.360 dongle I mean that puts this whole package under the price of a Microsoft 00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:31.440 first-party dongle alone so it must be 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:34.120 trash right I mean yeah Bo dude 00:04:31.440 --> 00:04:38.520 everything about it feels pretty good the shape is very similar to a regular 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:42.840 Xbox controller I mean the d-pads nothing special but the face buttons 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:48.080 feel really good even the triggers have a pretty satisfying feel to them and it 00:04:45.479 --> 00:04:51.360 has an integrated battery for that price that's something to consider guys 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:55.479 Microsoft does include batteries with their controller but they're disposables 00:04:53.039 --> 00:04:58.800 not rechargeables and this has USBC charging with an integrated battery 00:04:56.880 --> 00:05:01.520 right out of the box I'm not saying it's the right choice for from a 00:04:59.919 --> 00:05:07.160 sustainability standpoint I'm just saying it is a value ad and wait what's 00:05:04.479 --> 00:05:13.440 this I'm getting reports of a brand new just released 8bit do ultimate 2C it 00:05:10.520 --> 00:05:19.600 comes in new multi-tone colorways and no way two extra shoulder buttons 1,000 HZ 00:05:16.960 --> 00:05:26.520 pulling rate and hall effect analog triggers and sticks meaning they should 00:05:23.840 --> 00:05:31.919 remain Snappy and precise long into the future guys this is a big upgrade so uh 00:05:30.280 --> 00:05:37.199 how much more is it going to cost it's the same 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:39.120 price same price so wait why would I 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:43.199 even buy that one the previous generation 8-bit do controller that had 00:05:40.840 --> 00:05:47.600 Hall effects was twice the price of the regular one and the only other benefits 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:51.080 are Bluetooth and a charging dock they kind of thought of everything the edges 00:05:49.400 --> 00:05:55.199 are more round and comfortable in the hand especially at the edge of the 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:59.400 shoulder and Trigger buttons the grip texture is less abrasive and feels a 00:05:57.400 --> 00:06:02.840 little less likely to collect a detailed his hisory of every skin cell that ever 00:06:01.039 --> 00:06:06.880 rubbed against it and while this spot where the face meets the textured back 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:10.240 is a little bit on the sharp side that's not a part of the controller that you 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:14.960 would ever naturally interact with the d-pad still not a star player but darn 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:21.759 it they did put in some work to make it feel more tactile and even the face 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:24.960 buttons feel just I don't know 8% more 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:27.840 tactile oh the bumpers are clicky now 00:06:24.960 --> 00:06:32.400 dude I really like this thing it's even clicker than the regular Xbox controller 00:06:30.039 --> 00:06:37.160 which I may be bad or good depending on your preference but I like it of course 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:42.039 I haven't actually played a game yet how does it stack up for actual 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:46.599 gaming whoops oh how does the controller feel oh right 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:52.599 the controller controller feels good brother 00:06:50.280 --> 00:06:57.199 really like the thumb sticks like the thumb sticks a lot very little dead zone 00:06:55.759 --> 00:07:01.840 I can't blame the thumbsticks for everything that's happening right now this is just hard 00:07:00.039 --> 00:07:06.360 do you want to try same game with the Logitech huh oh you want me to try the 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:10.840 other controllers that makes sense can't say I'm thrilled about it but uh yeah 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:15.639 give me a sec dude I'm still not that stoked on the uh on the 00:07:14.039 --> 00:07:20.720 face buttons okay that's good to know they're a little slow cuz in terms of 00:07:17.599 --> 00:07:23.160 input latency the 2C with the receiver 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:28.319 was the lowest of everything we tested it's less the input latency and it's 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:30.360 more how far they are to mash I just 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:34.120 find that I I'm having a little bit of more 00:07:32.039 --> 00:07:39.560 difficulty with them of course this the only it's only the first one that I've 00:07:35.479 --> 00:07:43.120 looked at so maybe just side by 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:44.639 side come on okay wait wait no we you've 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:49.280 tried this a 100 times with this one let's try the other controller all right maybe another controller is the 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:57.520 answer oh my God this analog 00:07:54.599 --> 00:08:01.479 stick wow controller design has really come a long way in the last 14 years 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:08.199 years um maybe we just go d-pad here yeah test 00:08:05.599 --> 00:08:13.879 what the people say I me realistically I'm not doing any 00:08:11.520 --> 00:08:17.800 worse I think the cold hard truth is I'm just not that good at Super Meat Boy you 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:22.440 might have a little extra trouble with this one this controller actually has 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:27.440 the highest tested input latency nothing is too unusable this is 23.5 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:34.120 milliseconds so it's still within the realm of that's okay yeah um but that's 00:08:30.479 --> 00:08:34.120 more than four times more than the 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:44.880 2C come on come on come on come on oh no way no way is the answer the Logitech 00:08:42.719 --> 00:08:49.399 controller maybe it's the repetition of doing it 100 times oh what are you doing 00:08:47.880 --> 00:08:54.880 what are you doing occasionally things will register 00:08:51.680 --> 00:08:57.560 a little funny but no big complaints 00:08:54.880 --> 00:09:02.600 it's oh it's really heavy actually it's really heavy does it use dou battery 00:08:59.839 --> 00:09:06.399 yeah yeah okay let's try a different game okay try a different game while I 00:09:04.839 --> 00:09:11.360 wait to fire up a racing game I can talk Comfort I do find the slightly more 00:09:09.040 --> 00:09:16.200 angled shape of the Xbox controller a little bit more comfortable for broader 00:09:14.160 --> 00:09:19.120 adult shoulders but if you like to kind of have your elbows tucked in I can see 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:22.160 how this would actually be more comfortable for you everyone I talked to 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:26.920 was really impressed at the build quality of this but people with big hands definitely find the Xbox 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:31.680 controller more comfortable for I think the exact same reason you were saying the angle and they feel the same way 00:09:29.920 --> 00:09:39.040 about the 40 oz water bottle at LT store.com it's just wider for bigger 00:09:34.079 --> 00:09:40.880 hands than the 21 Oz you're 64 o yeah 00:09:39.040 --> 00:09:44.720 yeah okay now let's have a look at these 00:09:45.079 --> 00:09:53.800 triggers said drifty oo very small dead 00:09:48.680 --> 00:09:55.720 zones on the sticks do like isn't nice 00:09:53.800 --> 00:10:00.760 you're quite sensitive to dead zones hey I hate dead zones what's the point of 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:05.120 moving a stick if it's not registered sir would you like a dead zone on your 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:08.920 mouse no well then why do you accept it on your stick the thing is in racing 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:12.880 games a lot of the times you don't want to over steer and having a big dead zone 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:18.399 can cause you to over steer and then over steer the other way and then over steer the other way any deficiency in my 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:21.760 performance here is 100% down to me not being very good at racing games I cannot 00:10:19.959 --> 00:10:29.760 blame the controller here like this control is extremely fine go go on go on 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:31.720 get woo oh shoot I screwed it up I 00:10:29.760 --> 00:10:36.160 screwed it up right at the end how could I do this to 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:39.880 myself whatever I Podium you want to try briefly with the 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:43.839 Xbox one yeah yeah yeah yeah let's hook up the Xbox controller long story short 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:48.040 we had an issue pairing with our dongle which normally is totally fine so I 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:53.639 don't know exactly what happened here but I have a cable how do the sticks 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:57.560 feel in this not as good they're sloppier triggers I honestly don't 00:10:55.800 --> 00:11:01.480 notice a huge difference with I've never been that sensitive to them but the 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:07.079 dicks on the Xbox controller they're not terrible but they're not as good in my 00:11:04.040 --> 00:11:08.959 humble observation we did test uh some 00:11:07.079 --> 00:11:14.720 of the controllers for the circularity of their analog sticks and the series 00:11:12.160 --> 00:11:19.440 one was actually one of the worst ones only the Logitech 310 was less circular 00:11:17.560 --> 00:11:25.200 but the Labs didn't have a high degree of confidence cuz it might have just been that specific Xbox controller they 00:11:22.800 --> 00:11:28.959 tested question for you how many controllers does 8 bit do support off of 00:11:27.160 --> 00:11:34.360 a single dongle though I've never checked I think it's just one you can't repair 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:36.600 them I don't believe oh just one 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:40.000 controller to a dongle that's a bit of a drawback especially when you consider 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:44.320 that the Xbox dongle supports up to eight controllers off of a single dongle 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:49.639 and has some extra quality of life features not to mention usually 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:53.240 excellent pairing reliability though it should be noted that there is a latency 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:59.560 cost there we actually found that the 8bit do 2C had the same latency on 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:04.880 Bluetooth as the Xbox controller with its 2.4 GHz dongle and partially thanks 00:12:02.880 --> 00:12:09.079 to its 1000 HZ pulling rate absolutely obliterated the Xbox in a like for like 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:14.480 test enough about the 2C though let's switch back to the 1C and see if the 2C 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:18.360 is worth the extra $10 cuz so often this can be had for just 20 bucks I'll be 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:22.839 honest with you it feels pretty good I don't notice a big difference I'd say 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:27.639 it's possible the sticks are a little bit looser but if they are it's not by 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:30.959 much and the biggest difference for me that would make me still go with the 2C 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:37.160 is the fact that it has bluetooth support it's just so convenient to not 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:41.160 have to worry about dongles dang what an impressive controller but not everyone's 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:44.519 going to feel the same way if you've got much larger hands or if you have an Xbox 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:51.240 and you want to move your controller between that and your PC wirelessly and seamlessly you might end up with a 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:57.160 different option but I find this just a great balance of quality feeling d-pad 00:12:54.240 --> 00:13:00.880 quality face buttons great ergonomics I have a hard time 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