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it's no surprise that the most popular controllers are first-party ones

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especially the modern Xbox controller and that makes a lot of sense it's a

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premium controller with a comfortable shape and it just works with all your

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modern PC games and even with other consoles like the Nintendo switch if you

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get the right dongle but what is a surprise is that in the dumpster fire of

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Cheaper alternative controllers are some downright excellent options with some of

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them going for less than $30 so we answered the title's question

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already it's this because it's good but

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what we haven't answered is what you should be buying and that is a bit more

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before we get to our Alternatives have you ever wondered why pretty much every

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modern PC controller shares that same familiar Xbox layout it turns out it's

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for some good reasons one being it's pretty ergonomic especially compared to

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some of its ancestors but the bigger one is xinput the xinput API will

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automatically bind compatible controllers to the right in inputs in

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your favorite games and while it's less versatile than the older D input

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standard which is still used especially for complex flight and racing rigs its

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limitations because of the standard Xbox layout allow it to be much more easily

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implemented strangely enough the second best-selling controller is the only D

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input controller that we're going to see today the ps5s Dual sense can it still

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be used for PC games short answer yes

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long answer yeah yes but it depends on

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how much tinkering you want to do four out of the five games that we tested

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needed some kind of manual remapping now there are wrappers like steam input or

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DS for Windows that will wrap the D input in an xinput container that should

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fix these issues and in games where the developers build in Native support for

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the Dual Senses extra features it is one of our favorite controllers especially

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in games that heavily make use of the d-pad we're going to have it and every

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controller we recommended from this video linked down below but enough about

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controllers that cost almost a 100 loonies I said that there are great

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controllers you guys are buying for $30 or less and this next one is not one of

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them the Logitech f310 has remained

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mostly unchanged since its release

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in 2010 making it probably our best fit for

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the title here because honestly guys why is every everyone still buying this

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controller it looks like a little brother Edition for the PS2 and honestly

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it feels like one too I mean is this really the best that Logitech can come

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up with I mean it's apparently kept at least 25,000 of you reasonably happy but

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look at the way the d-pad Jiggles and no

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they like that they love it I mean I guess if that's what you're

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used to there's also the wireless variant the f710 which is also pretty

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fine if you like your controllers to feel like a Brick In fairness The Price

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is Right at just 20 and $40 respectively

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and logitech's established reputation for warranty service sets them apart

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from many other competitors in this price class I mean only the best will do

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for billionaires who need to visit the Titanic of course while we're combing

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The Depths it's probably worth seeing if we can find something a little better oh

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here's a more recent top performer the 8bit do ultimate C has been sitting

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among Amazon's best sellers pretty consistently for months and is racking

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up four and a half star reviews at an incredible rate its MSRP is $30 with

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frequent discounts down to just 20 bucks and that is with a 2.4 GHz wireless

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dongle I mean that puts this whole package under the price of a Microsoft

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first-party dongle alone so it must be

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trash right I mean yeah Bo dude

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everything about it feels pretty good the shape is very similar to a regular

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Xbox controller I mean the d-pads nothing special but the face buttons

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feel really good even the triggers have a pretty satisfying feel to them and it

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has an integrated battery for that price that's something to consider guys

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Microsoft does include batteries with their controller but they're disposables

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not rechargeables and this has USBC charging with an integrated battery

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right out of the box I'm not saying it's the right choice for from a

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sustainability standpoint I'm just saying it is a value ad and wait what's

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this I'm getting reports of a brand new just released 8bit do ultimate 2C it

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comes in new multi-tone colorways and no way two extra shoulder buttons 1,000 HZ

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pulling rate and hall effect analog triggers and sticks meaning they should

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remain Snappy and precise long into the future guys this is a big upgrade so uh

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how much more is it going to cost it's the same

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price same price so wait why would I

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even buy that one the previous generation 8-bit do controller that had

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Hall effects was twice the price of the regular one and the only other benefits

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are Bluetooth and a charging dock they kind of thought of everything the edges

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are more round and comfortable in the hand especially at the edge of the

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shoulder and Trigger buttons the grip texture is less abrasive and feels a

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little less likely to collect a detailed his hisory of every skin cell that ever

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rubbed against it and while this spot where the face meets the textured back

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is a little bit on the sharp side that's not a part of the controller that you

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would ever naturally interact with the d-pad still not a star player but darn

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it they did put in some work to make it feel more tactile and even the face

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buttons feel just I don't know 8% more

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tactile oh the bumpers are clicky now

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dude I really like this thing it's even clicker than the regular Xbox controller

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which I may be bad or good depending on your preference but I like it of course

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I haven't actually played a game yet how does it stack up for actual

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gaming whoops oh how does the controller feel oh right

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the controller controller feels good brother

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really like the thumb sticks like the thumb sticks a lot very little dead zone

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I can't blame the thumbsticks for everything that's happening right now this is just hard

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do you want to try same game with the Logitech huh oh you want me to try the

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other controllers that makes sense can't say I'm thrilled about it but uh yeah

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give me a sec dude I'm still not that stoked on the uh on the

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face buttons okay that's good to know they're a little slow cuz in terms of

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input latency the 2C with the receiver

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was the lowest of everything we tested it's less the input latency and it's

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more how far they are to mash I just

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find that I I'm having a little bit of more

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difficulty with them of course this the only it's only the first one that I've

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looked at so maybe just side by

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side come on okay wait wait no we you've

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tried this a 100 times with this one let's try the other controller all right maybe another controller is the

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answer oh my God this analog

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stick wow controller design has really come a long way in the last 14 years

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years um maybe we just go d-pad here yeah test

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what the people say I me realistically I'm not doing any

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worse I think the cold hard truth is I'm just not that good at Super Meat Boy you

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might have a little extra trouble with this one this controller actually has

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the highest tested input latency nothing is too unusable this is 23.5

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milliseconds so it's still within the realm of that's okay yeah um but that's

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more than four times more than the

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2C come on come on come on come on oh no way no way is the answer the Logitech

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controller maybe it's the repetition of doing it 100 times oh what are you doing

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what are you doing occasionally things will register

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a little funny but no big complaints

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it's oh it's really heavy actually it's really heavy does it use dou battery

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yeah yeah okay let's try a different game okay try a different game while I

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wait to fire up a racing game I can talk Comfort I do find the slightly more

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angled shape of the Xbox controller a little bit more comfortable for broader

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adult shoulders but if you like to kind of have your elbows tucked in I can see

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how this would actually be more comfortable for you everyone I talked to

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was really impressed at the build quality of this but people with big hands definitely find the Xbox

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controller more comfortable for I think the exact same reason you were saying the angle and they feel the same way

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about the 40 oz water bottle at LT store.com it's just wider for bigger

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hands than the 21 Oz you're 64 o yeah

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yeah okay now let's have a look at these

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triggers said drifty oo very small dead

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zones on the sticks do like isn't nice

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you're quite sensitive to dead zones hey I hate dead zones what's the point of

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moving a stick if it's not registered sir would you like a dead zone on your

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mouse no well then why do you accept it on your stick the thing is in racing

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games a lot of the times you don't want to over steer and having a big dead zone

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can cause you to over steer and then over steer the other way and then over steer the other way any deficiency in my

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performance here is 100% down to me not being very good at racing games I cannot

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blame the controller here like this control is extremely fine go go on go on

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get woo oh shoot I screwed it up I

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screwed it up right at the end how could I do this to

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myself whatever I Podium you want to try briefly with the

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Xbox one yeah yeah yeah yeah let's hook up the Xbox controller long story short

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we had an issue pairing with our dongle which normally is totally fine so I

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don't know exactly what happened here but I have a cable how do the sticks

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feel in this not as good they're sloppier triggers I honestly don't

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notice a huge difference with I've never been that sensitive to them but the

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dicks on the Xbox controller they're not terrible but they're not as good in my

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humble observation we did test uh some

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of the controllers for the circularity of their analog sticks and the series

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one was actually one of the worst ones only the Logitech 310 was less circular

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but the Labs didn't have a high degree of confidence cuz it might have just been that specific Xbox controller they

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tested question for you how many controllers does 8 bit do support off of

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a single dongle though I've never checked I think it's just one you can't repair

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them I don't believe oh just one

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controller to a dongle that's a bit of a drawback especially when you consider

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that the Xbox dongle supports up to eight controllers off of a single dongle

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and has some extra quality of life features not to mention usually

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excellent pairing reliability though it should be noted that there is a latency

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cost there we actually found that the 8bit do 2C had the same latency on

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Bluetooth as the Xbox controller with its 2.4 GHz dongle and partially thanks

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to its 1000 HZ pulling rate absolutely obliterated the Xbox in a like for like

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test enough about the 2C though let's switch back to the 1C and see if the 2C

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is worth the extra $10 cuz so often this can be had for just 20 bucks I'll be

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honest with you it feels pretty good I don't notice a big difference I'd say

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it's possible the sticks are a little bit looser but if they are it's not by

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much and the biggest difference for me that would make me still go with the 2C

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is the fact that it has bluetooth support it's just so convenient to not

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have to worry about dongles dang what an impressive controller but not everyone's

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going to feel the same way if you've got much larger hands or if you have an Xbox

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and you want to move your controller between that and your PC wirelessly and seamlessly you might end up with a

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different option but I find this just a great balance of quality feeling d-pad

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quality face buttons great ergonomics I have a hard time imagining anyone who

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would hate this and realistically I could say the same about pretty much

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everything in front of me except for the f710 if you're looking at one of these

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