WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.440 we're at the minis Forum booth at CES 2024 and I get to show you something 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:11.280 I've been waiting to see for a while it looks like an ordinary small computer 00:00:08.920 --> 00:00:18.480 but on the back we have dual 10 gbit dual 2.5 gig dual 40 gig Thunderbolt a 00:00:14.200 --> 00:00:20.880 core I9 processor a full PCIe slot 96 GB 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:25.439 of RAM this is basically an entire server it even has Remote Management I 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:30.279 can't wait to check it out and don't even worry there is even more craziness 00:00:27.560 --> 00:00:34.760 to see behind me let's take it apart naturally I think we should start with 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:36.239 what I came here for this is the ms01 00:00:34.760 --> 00:00:41.200 I'm not really sure how they're positioning this thing but as far as I 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:46.640 can tell it's designed to be a mini server but a Mini Server that packs a 00:00:43.760 --> 00:00:51.079 serious serious punch the front is kind of the boring side power button combo 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:56.600 mic audio a 10 gig USB type A and two USB 2.0 type A but when you move around 00:00:53.559 --> 00:00:59.199 to the back the business side let's say 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:03.359 dual 10 gig SFP plus ports powered by an Intel X7 710 chipset which we like to 00:01:01.440 --> 00:01:08.360 see Intel makes great Nicks we've got dual 2.5 gig L don't know the chipset on 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:15.400 those hopefully it's decent dual 40 gig USB 4 two more 10 gig USB ports an HDMI 00:01:11.759 --> 00:01:18.200 2.0 power in and then this this I was 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:22.520 not expecting that's a PCIe 16x slot admittedly despite it being wired as a 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:27.560 16x slot which you can see it's soldered like that apparently it runs at 8 by 00:01:24.520 --> 00:01:30.680 speed which is fine I guess you can fit 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:32.600 a GPU they have this RTX 2,000 that they 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:38.079 were showing uh which actually apparently fits in here totally fine I 00:01:34.759 --> 00:01:40.200 mean let's try it I guess it has to be a 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:43.720 half height like this I think maybe you would call this half length I'm not that 00:01:41.759 --> 00:01:48.479 familiar with like the length monikers but it does just slide right in there's 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:55.320 like little foamy bits on the motherboard to make it sit 00:01:51.479 --> 00:01:57.719 nicely boom now you have a GPU now the S 00:01:55.320 --> 00:02:06.079 so on this system does already have Intel IRS XE Graphics it's it's a 13900 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:07.920 H yep which is a 14 core chip with six 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:14.560 performance cores and eight efficiency cores a Max boost of 5.4 GHz and a 45 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:17.080 wat base power I think it turbos all the 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:20.480 way up to 115 Watts potentially I'm not sure what this chassis can handle they 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:24.760 didn't have it listed on their specs page but this entire section right here 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:28.120 it's got kind of foamy bit so you can't really see it is heat sink now 00:02:26.440 --> 00:02:32.680 immediately I don't think that I would ever put a GPU in this system 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:37.800 but this could be a really awesome place to put something like a network card 00:02:35.040 --> 00:02:43.120 imagine you could put uh on top of these 10 gig ports how about you put two 25 00:02:40.760 --> 00:02:47.519 gig ports on a like a melanox Nick there should be plenty enough CPU horsepower 00:02:45.200 --> 00:02:52.120 to route at speeds like that hell you might even be able to go faster can you 00:02:50.239 --> 00:02:56.840 tell that I kind of want one yet let's look at the other side you can 00:02:54.920 --> 00:03:01.599 purchase this thing as a barebone system that means it would come with no storage 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:09.040 and no RAM but this system is configured with 32 gigs of ddr5 uh along with a 1 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:11.680 TB SSD socketed Wi-Fi card 2230 I like 00:03:09.040 --> 00:03:17.920 that but what the really interesting thing on this side is the triple m.2 00:03:14.519 --> 00:03:20.280 slots the top one is a gen 4x4 the 00:03:17.920 --> 00:03:26.560 second one is Gen 3x4 and then the third one is Gen 3x 2 I think I'm not 100% 00:03:24.200 --> 00:03:30.200 sure which one is by two out of these two but one of them is uh again that's 00:03:29.040 --> 00:03:34.640 probably going to come from the fact that they're using eight Gen 4 Lanes 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:38.400 just for that PCIe slot but there is kind of an alternate configuration you 00:03:36.200 --> 00:03:43.519 can run and something that again kind of goes in line with that server mindset 00:03:40.959 --> 00:03:49.720 let's say we'll pop this SSD out with its little included cute little heat 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:51.799 sink and it is this an m.2 to u.2 little 00:03:49.720 --> 00:03:56.360 board I try to ask them if this is like an off-the-shelf part or if it's 00:03:53.799 --> 00:03:59.400 something that they made um he kept saying that it was just an off-the-shelf 00:03:57.959 --> 00:04:03.760 thing I don't know if I believe that it seems is kind of weird but like whatever 00:04:02.200 --> 00:04:08.159 um it works it comes with it so you don't really have to worry about that it 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:12.079 just slots in like that I just noticed something cool the Wi-Fi antennas are 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:14.879 mounted up front here so if you were to slide this into like a cabinet or 00:04:13.519 --> 00:04:19.280 something like that the Wi-Fi antennas are still able to receive like 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:23.960 unobstructed signal which is a good design choice these M two slots if I 00:04:21.799 --> 00:04:28.600 didn't mention already support full 110 mm m.2 drives which again leads into 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:33.960 that whole Enterprise Vibe if you were to get ones that have like power loss protection a lot of the time they are 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:38.759 that full length not a 2280 which is what you would normally see in a 00:04:35.479 --> 00:04:40.600 computer or like this one I did confirm 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:43.520 it does come with three of these m.2 heat sinks so if you upgrade the storage 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:48.639 or buy the Bare Bones you have all you need to keep it cool so you don't have to worry about that uh and yeah there's 00:04:46.440 --> 00:04:52.000 a fan back here too which is nice oh right the RAM they only sell one 00:04:50.520 --> 00:04:57.600 configuration aside from the Bare Bones so these are 16 gig 5600 megat transfer 00:04:54.360 --> 00:05:01.080 per second crucial dims you can get 48 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:02.720 GB dims from crucial micron on so this 00:05:01.080 --> 00:05:07.520 the max configuration for this machine would be 96 gigs because it has the two 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:12.120 sodm slots they don't have heat sinks on them but I think since it's like 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:16.560 directly where the fan is spinning the fan is open on both sides so I think 00:05:14.880 --> 00:05:20.400 it's going to draw a fair bit of air right over it anyways and it's probably 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:24.199 not going to cause any sort of thermal problems I don't know how I feel about 00:05:21.960 --> 00:05:29.199 these little screws they screw right into the heat sink and it's very very 00:05:26.960 --> 00:05:33.199 short threads so I could see how somebody could accidentally strip these 00:05:30.960 --> 00:05:37.960 out so if you buy one of these just be careful let's turn it on thanks to B 00:05:35.960 --> 00:05:40.840 quiet for sponsoring our 2024 CES coverage if you're shopping for your 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:44.919 next PC or just new components in general make sure to check out be quiet! 00:05:42.880 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sense you can at least use them for display output but 00:06:23.039 --> 00:06:29.800 not for power delivery is that a minis Forum in your pocket or are you happy to 00:06:26.599 --> 00:06:32.000 see me it's both what we're waiting for 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:37.360 cine bench to run on the ms01 let's talk about this little guy now I kind of at 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:42.240 first I'm like what is the use case for this the answer is digital signage and 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:46.360 apparently education you know you could put this like at somebody's desk as like 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:51.240 a small PC you don't need to run like a whole power cable it's just PoE so it's 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:54.360 a 2.5 gig in which would help if you're using this as a Thin Client you can 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:57.800 actually get some decent throughput it has PD in as well if you want to power 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:03.000 it that way and this can be used as a display output got two 10 gig USBS on 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:07.680 the side and an HDMI 2.0 on the end specs Wise It's not the most powerful 00:07:05.400 --> 00:07:12.960 thing in the world as you can imagine it it's about the size of a big USB hub so 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:17.879 there's only so much CPU you can fit in here it's an Intel Core n100 which is a 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:23.080 CPU you'll commonly see in those like little Nas units or the little small 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:25.879 router boxes um it's only a four core I 00:07:23.080 --> 00:07:29.759 believe it's a 6 wat TDP so definitely not a performance Monster by any stretch 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:33.800 of the imagination but but it is still enough to run Windows they ship these 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:37.440 things with Windows 11 pre-installed uh I don't think you can get this as a Bare 00:07:34.919 --> 00:07:44.840 Bones because I don't know it's definitely soldered memory 8 GB of it 00:07:40.520 --> 00:07:48.280 lpddr5 and then there's a 256 GB uh ufs 00:07:44.840 --> 00:07:51.840 2.1 storage chip in here look at that 00:07:48.280 --> 00:07:55.199 it's so cute got two Wi-Fi antennas 00:07:51.840 --> 00:07:57.599 there the cutest of fans that's a pretty 00:07:55.199 --> 00:08:02.400 pretty sizable heat syn you can see the little n100 SSC end there just peeking 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:07.639 its head up whoa there's a lot more going on on this side there would be 00:08:05.520 --> 00:08:11.960 that looks to be our little RAM chip I think there's a little Wi-Fi chip set 00:08:10.479 --> 00:08:15.039 that might actually be the storage they don't have pricing on this one yet 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:19.319 they're expecting this to come out in the coming months but seems to be kind 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:24.280 of filling the role of like a raspberry pie just you don't have to screw around 00:08:22.280 --> 00:08:27.360 with any of the stuff like trying to figure out how to PoE power it with a 00:08:25.960 --> 00:08:32.080 hat or any of that sort of stuff it's just kind of a One-Stop shop pretty cool 00:08:29.599 --> 00:08:38.719 little computer hey cinat is done it scored 800 so about 20% slower than the 00:08:34.959 --> 00:08:40.839 155h core Ultra I can't wait to get our 00:08:38.719 --> 00:08:43.919 hands on one of these in the office imagine a cluster of these you could 00:08:42.479 --> 00:08:47.160 connect them all with 10 gig you don't need any sort of external NY you could 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:52.519 connect them all with 25 Gig if you put 25 gig n or 100 Gig if you're insane if 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:57.120 you're wondering pricing for this one you're looking at $680 us for the Bare 00:08:54.959 --> 00:09:01.640 Bones which is it's kind of getting up there for Min Forum compared to some of 00:08:58.959 --> 00:09:06.399 the other other ones or 830 with the 32 gigs of RAM and 1 TB SSD sure it is more 00:09:04.760 --> 00:09:10.360 expensive but you are getting some stuff for that money that x710 Intel chipset 00:09:08.760 --> 00:09:14.720 is not going to be that cheap you know there's three m.2 slots there's a PCIe 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:19.200 slot there's you know just the raw material cost of making a bigger device 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:23.880 like this I would be thrilled if something like this was 450 500 bucks 00:09:22.160 --> 00:09:29.440 maybe we'll get there at some point still very cool still want one let's 00:09:26.160 --> 00:09:30.600 boot up this Mini PC I just want to see 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:35.399 this boot into Windows I don't need to run cin bench on this we'll be here all 00:09:32.760 --> 00:09:39.320 day it's working I think booting into Windows is 00:09:37.760 --> 00:09:45.320 going to take a little bit longer on this one just is just a moment it's like come 00:09:42.880 --> 00:09:52.360 on really you you got to wait for this one look at that performance the CPU is 00:09:48.959 --> 00:09:55.000 just sitting at 100% it's A8 GHz base 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:59.760 clock just the Windows like boot up setup that's still happening is using 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:03.120 100% of the CPU I I just want to see if it will play a YouTube video like 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:07.360 reasonably they do know how much it's going to cost apparently it will be 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:10.160 around $100 maybe 99 bucks uh which 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:14.720 sounds like maybe a lot for it but also like a Ras pie if you get one from a 00:10:11.959 --> 00:10:20.360 scalper is like a 100 bucks maybe even more so considering that it's got PoE 8 00:10:17.760 --> 00:10:27.160 gigs of RAM 256 gigs of storage that's seems pretty reasonable to me look at 00:10:23.800 --> 00:10:31.040 that it's playing back a 720p YouTube 00:10:27.160 --> 00:10:31.040 video let's try 1440 00:10:31.800 --> 00:10:40.040 that seems to be playing at full speed let's try 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:43.360 4K I don't know that this is playing at 00:10:40.040 --> 00:10:45.880 full ah no it's lagging a 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:50.120 bit I think 1440p is the best you're going to get out of something like this 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:54.839 I suspect once all of the Windows fresh startup is done you might be 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:59.320 able to play 4K like Windows update still using 20% of the CPU diagnostic 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:04.519 policy another 20% like almost half of our CPU performance is being used by 00:11:02.560 --> 00:11:10.200 random crap that Windows is doing in the background so this one also pretty cool 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:13.760 these mini for un boxes they just keep getting crazier at some point they're 00:11:11.920 --> 00:11:20.160 going to run out of weird use cases to fill like this I I really really like 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:21.959 this one this is this is basically 00:11:20.160 --> 00:11:25.680 everything I've been asking for in a Mini PC proper networking it's even SFP 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:30.560 so if you want to plug right into your switch you can plug right into your switch if you were to run this as a 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:35.320 router let's say even in a hypervisor install proxmox on this thing have a 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:39.560 fairly substantial amount of storage and virtualize your router maybe you have 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:44.880 two of these things or three of these things in a cluster in proxmox or X cpng 00:11:42.880 --> 00:11:49.399 it really wouldn't be that much money if you put it in perspective of something 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:52.000 like the um 790 Pro which has a kind of 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:55.839 similar CPU uh with a Thunderbolt 10 gig Nick you're kind of in the same price 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:59.880 point and this is not a Thunderbolt Nick this is proper Intel proper dual Port 10 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:05.160 gig and still have all the rest of the expansion left over to boot not to 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:08.360 mention PCIe so if you like this video and you like the craziness that min's 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:13.320 Forum keeps putting out get subscribed like the video and let me know what 00:12:10.920 --> 00:12:17.519 would you like to see from Min Forum what would you do differently about this 00:12:14.560 --> 00:12:21.760 box I would personally ax these 10 gig ports and I'll just put my own card in a 00:12:19.800 --> 00:12:26.160 little bit cheaper price point but pretty cool