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Six months ago, I got a steal of a deal on this Environtronics thermal testing

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chamber. Brand new, these puppies can go for tens, if not hundreds of thousands

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of dollars. How much did I pay? Less than 1,300

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US dollars, and that included Delicia.

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I'm sorry, I mean delivery. Back when we unboxed it, we were blown away by how

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good the condition of it was. I mean, sure, it was decommissioned over 10

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years ago and left outside, but there was next to no corrosion, and it even

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had full documentation, service history, and schematics in the box.

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>> [music] >> I mean, how much more could it cost to integrate into our testing lab?

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A quarter million dollars? The good news is we got in touch with the guys who

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decommissioned this exact unit, and they got it in working for less than a tenth

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of that. Oh, well, that's wonder Wait, what does it working mean?

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Before we get into why it's only working today and would cost us over 250,000

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dollars to permanently install in our warehouse, let's take a look at the

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progress that we've made on the unit. I mean, I can already see that a lot has

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changed here. And to get the details, it'd probably be best to talk to one of

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the technicians who's been here grinding away at this particular achievement over

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the last few weeks. First things first, Stephen, can you talk me through why you

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guys needed to bolt this sheet of plywood onto the side of the unit? So,

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basically, what we ended up doing is creating a whole pump system for this

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unit because it's water-cooled. It's not air-cooled, so normally this unit has a

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much bigger condenser or cooling unit up on a roof or a cooling loop in a

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building, but we had to make it work.

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One of our ideas to dissipate the heat from the unit was to use these scrap

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cooling towers that we dumpster dive, but unfortunately, it just plain wasn't

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enough capacity. So, why don't you walk us through what we're Oh, lordy,

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actually doing? We're using your water connection to cool the unit. So, we're

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just running cold tap water through it and then dumping it once it's heated up.

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Okay, City of Surrey, if you're watching this, this is temporary, okay? Just like

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to do this video, and like there was a heavy rainfall atmospheric river like a

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week ago. This is not permanent. Please don't be mad. To be clear then, we're

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not using this at all. No, we aren't.

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Okay. Anyway, there wouldn't be anything for us to

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cool if the system wasn't working. So, why don't we talk about what we did on

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the refrigeration side? >> When you were going through the initial bit and explaining all the bits and

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pieces, spot on. Oh, really? >> You You got You Oh, we got that on

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camera. Nice. >> No, abs- absolutely, cuz I was I was impressed, actually. It's like, "Ooh,

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this guy You've You've You've done some homework on this."

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Yeah, most of it was actually back when I was a teenager, >> [music]

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>> because I really, really, really wanted to build a DIY phase change CPU cooler.

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So, I learned about the refrigeration cycle, and then ultimately never did it.

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And a big part of the reason I never did it was because handling the gases freaks

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me the crap out. And as we mentioned in the first video, that was one of the

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biggest challenges with this is that it came completely non-charged, so it was

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it was empty. Um and we really weren't

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sure where or how we could get our hands on the gases. So, you guys have

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obviously got it charged up now. Was that a big challenge? For us, not a

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problem. We We deal with the cascade systems all the time, so

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getting the R508B, the ultra-low temp gas, not an issue. [music]

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>> Okay, so it's not one of those ones that's restricted and you're not allowed to buy it anymore. No, it's it's just

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not that commonly available. Let's put it that way.

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What does that mean? That means you need to have a

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refrigeration license, and it's bloody expensive.

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>> [sighs] >> You're just going to keep hitting me with that stuff, aren't you? Unf-

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Unfortunately, yes. That's the way this project went. What

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kind of condition was all the mechanical side of it in? So, like you said,

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there's a there's no rust in here, but the question was is how did these age?

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And out of these two compressors, it was

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this one that was the biggest problem. When we decommissioned it, we put in

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nitrogen as a holding charge to basically protect everything, thinking

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that >> No rust? No rust. Whoever's going to Whoever wants to buy it or whatever

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they're going to do with it, it's going to be safe. They can just turn it on and away it goes.

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>> Inert gas, and it's not going to interfere with whatever you want to put in after. That's kind of the idea,

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right? >> Yeah, exactly. >> Okay. Problem is

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this compressor didn't have any. Like, no gas. So, that's on you guys

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then. No. No. There's a leak on there. There's a leak.

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>> [laughter] >> I'm not I'm not taking the blame for that one.

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Okay, so at some point while it was being stored outside, it sprung

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>> It sprung a leak. >> Yeah, it sprung a leak. And so, what ended up happening is that

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the oil that's sitting in this compressor becomes contaminated, and

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need to take the oil out, but I also need to get rid of all the moisture

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that's in there. That was the biggest problem.

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know, a refrigerant in a sense in that it has its own behavior around freezing

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and evaporating. And so, if you've got any of that in your other more different

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refrigerant, unless it's part of a gas mixture you intended to make, it's

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[music] a big problem. This fix was a lot cheaper. This was just a coupler. Right, okay.

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>> to put it back together cuz this forms part of the water loop that cools that

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low-stage compressor. Got it, okay.

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This is such a tiny silver lining on a giant rain cloud. Mhm.

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But there is some good news. One of the big challenges we were not looking

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forward to was dealing with the control system for this thing. You guys might

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remember there was a little touch screen here, and then inside, here, let's crack

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this open, there was like a Windows XP

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era machine, was it? Well, that's gone. And what are we using

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now? So, right now, what we're using is a little Watlow F4 controller. So, this

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is primarily what a lot of chambers use,

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and we dumbed this thing down a lot. What are you saying?

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Ta- Take a really good PC from the 2000s

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and throw in a Raspberry Pi instead. [music] Oh, I thought you meant you dumbed down

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the simplicity of the interface for the target audience. Well, maybe maybe a

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little a little little bit of that, too. Fair enough. I mean, realistically, our

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needs are not that complicated. We want to be able to, over the network, I

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assume, tell it, "Here's my target temperature, here's how long I want it

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there, and here's my next target, and here's when I want it to turn off."

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Absolutely. >> And we can do all of that these days with a Raspberry Pi rather than a

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full-fledged PC tower. And look at this. There's so much space.

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It's free real estate. And all of the other relays and stuff that are in here,

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these are all just the originals? Uh yes.

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That is so cool. So, do you guys just refurbish and repair these things, or do

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you like build them? Uh we don't build them. So, we service them, we repair

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them, but we work on a host of other equipment that uses cascade refrigeration. So, if

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you had uh a minus 80 freezer, uh if we

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can they need to be stored in at minus 80. Those are the freezers I typically

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work on, as well as this. Carmichael does all that laboratory stuff. Cool.

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Okay. Can we fire it Can we fire it up then? >> Absolutely. We need to turn on the water

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first. Okay. Uh well, I can do that. Yep, turn that one Hold on. Got to turn

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on this one, too. Nice, solid. Yep, there we go. Okay. So,

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now we've got water coming through, flowing out. Uh-huh, and flowing out to

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what? The garden, where at least it can be used by our plants. >> Absolutely.

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can tell that this man has experience

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working with organizations where the executives don't want to know.

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>> [laughter] >> Because once they know, they have to deal with it. I just fix things. Yeah.

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[laughter] As far as you're concerned, everything's

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fine, sir. Exactly it. All right. So, our cooling

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essentially. The the hot side of our first stage compressor loop, right?

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>> Really? What would the water be doing for the second stage compressor? Because

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I thought the second stage's hot side is cooled by the first stage's cold side,

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and that's the whole idea. >> Yeah, and you're and you're absolutely right about that, but what this unit has

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that's unique is called a desuperheater. So, you end up

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efficiently, run better. Oh. >> But yeah, primarily the condenser uh for

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the first stage does all of the cooling and transfers the heat. Cuz that's me

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That's what this chamber is. It pulls heat >> You mean the evaporator.

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Wait, right, because it heats and cools. Speaking of which, what kind of a

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temperature range can we do with this unit? Because we didn't know that much

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about it when we bought it. Um minus 73.

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That cold enough for you?

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All right. So, the water's on. Yep. The unit's energized.

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>> Yep. Do we just press the button? Pretty much. Holy

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Elijah, I don't know if you're going to be able to talk me out of us not deploying this.

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Yes, I will be able to cuz I'll get you another quote.

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It's all good. So, that >> [laughter] >> That's just the That's just the internal

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fans. Mhm. And And those are not responsible for

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cooling any of the hot sides or anything. >> No. Those just circulate the air through

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the what I guess would be an evap Yeah. inside here.

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And also just circulate the air in the chamber so you have a constant temperature throughout. Because if you

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need an environmental control chamber,

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then you obviously care about the consistency of your bloody environmental

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control. How cold do you want to go? Cold. Minus

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one's fine. Minus one. All right. There we go. Right arrow

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turns on. Wow, that simple, huh? That simple.

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So, the specification The original unit ran

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at 100 Yeah. Ran at 1.75° C per minute.

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Oh, okay. So, pretty fast. Wow. >> For a chamber that's It's huge. Yeah.

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But that was with a load, correct? That was with a 600-lb aluminum load in it.

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Oh, so when it's empty, she'll rip. She should, but remember what I what we were

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saying about it's almost working? Yeah.

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Well, it works, just not as

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it was originally designed. It's a little bit slower now. Kind of

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like me as I age. As you age. Hey, just so we can have

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this conversation where it's a bit quieter, Mhm. why do you think it's slower? Did we not put enough

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refrigerant in or like The refrigerant is correct. I know that. The problem is

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is the controls. So, because we dumped it down so much,

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eventually we can fine-tune it to get it its original performance back, Right.

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>> but for for all intents and purposes, it's working at about 80%. Okay, which is

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still pretty And it's not going to damage it in any way to run it this way. >> No, it's just not It's just not as

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efficient at cooling pulling out the heat. Got it. Okay.

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I'm good with that. Let's go see what kind of progress we've made while we've been standing here. Wow, we got we got

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better than our 1°. I mean, given the size of the things that we would ever

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put in something like this, that's actually perfectly fast [music] for us.

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Want to go in it, Elijah? It's really loud inside.

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>> [music] >> Double up the hearing protection? We might have to. >> decibels last time we measured it.

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I actually can't hear you. >> I didn't talk. I was

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Do you want to Do you want a jacket? Like LCD store or something so it's not

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. That's our new one. [music] Yeah, buddy. LCDstore.com

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What can I say?

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Oops. Oh my god.

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So cold. It's fine. It's something like zero.

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This is Canadian summer, baby.

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Okay, close this thing.

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Let's see how long it stays inside here.

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Okay? It's down 5°.

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It definitely goes down quicker.

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It's very dry. Yeah.

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So, it's not that bad.

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It's not great, though. Do you want to go lower?

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My My nose is running now.

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There we go. Just set it for minus 40, so

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it'll get a bit frosty now. My mustache

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is starting to ice. My nose is.

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Okay. Are you done? I'm done. You're done?

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All right, we'll call it. WE'LL CALL IT.

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OH, THAT'S SO NICE.

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WOO! WELL, SHE WORKS.

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What did we make it to? Minus 22. Minus 22, which Okay, with how fast the air

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was circulating in there, I wonder what the wind chill was on that. >> Yeah, it was really bad.

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Freaking cold. I mean, my nose started to run about halfway,

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and then the last minute or so, I could feel my nose hairs freezing. And I was

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like, this is very uncomfortable. That was so fun, though.

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>> [laughter] >> But it freaking works. >> It's real And we that's not even as cold

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as it can go. Can we see how much we can push it? >> Yeah, we should let it keep going. >> to minus 40, so let's

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Well, so let's let it keep going. In the meantime, you asked me a question while we were in there, and the audio was

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obviously not usable. Like, what would we use something like this for?

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us not really anything. Our small chamber can accommodate what is

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realistically the largest thing that we would test, which is a desktop PC. But

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what these are used for in a more industrial environment is validation of

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Apparently, this one's former life was validating solar panels. So, really it

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would be for environmental validation of

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outdoor-rated equipment Got it. >> that could be deployed anywhere from

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Arizona to Antarctica. Let's go take a look at -40. Remember how I was how I

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was telling you we move energy? Yeah. Put your hand on here. That's the water

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inlet. Put your hand on here.

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That is a huge delta. Yeah. That's crazy.

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>> Yeah. This is warm water coming out of here.

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Can we throw the panels on right now?

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>> It's still really loud. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know. It's not not at

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all conceivable for an open workspace like you guys have. It is a lot better,

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though. It is.

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Stop. I'm just thinking. We haven't even gone

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over why it would have cost $250,000 to keep it permanently yet. Okay, we should

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probably talk about that. But first, I want to experience minus 48° C.

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Woo! Woo! Oh, man.

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That's chilly.

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WOW.

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OH my god, you are blue. Chilly, boys.

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I'm Canadian, but I'm like southwestern Canadian. Doesn't get that cold here. I

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have never [music] experienced minus 50.

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That's crazy. I've never seen my breath come out like

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that. Like, immediately my mustache started to freeze. That All right.

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>> [music] >> Let's talk about the challenges of keeping it. There are several reasons we

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can't run this long-term. Starting [music] with probably the most expensive, as you heard, it was too loud

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to operate out in the open like this. So, we would need to build a up-to-code

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room to house this thing. That means [music] plumbing in case it leaks, fire

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suppression in case it blows up, you know, noise treatment and electrical and

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so much more. And it would have to be big enough that it can not only fit in

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it, but service technicians who would need to come at least annually need to

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be able to access every side of the machine in order to crawl around and

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find out what the >> [music] >> mystery piddle stain is. That's right.

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With that said, that doesn't sound like a quarter million dollars.

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You're right. We would actually need to reinforce the

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roof because for every energy unit of cool or heat that you put inside of this

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chamber, you need to dissipate it, >> [music] >> you know, somewhere outside of this

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chamber, preferably outside. >> So, that's where like our cooling tower might come in, except that

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>> [laughter] >> we're talking about up to 200,000 BTU an

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hour. So, that cooling tower ain't going to do it, and even something quite a bit

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larger might not do it. No. And I really don't want to reinforce

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the roof again. We already had to do it once in order to air-condition the

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warehouse, and it was terrible. It took so long.

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>> However, No. >> [music] >> No, we're not doing it.

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Okay, that's fair. But that actually doesn't mean that this unit's story is

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over. The quote from Carmichael, as I alluded to earlier, was extremely

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generous considering the incredible amount of work they had to do here >> [music]

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>> thanks to some extra stuff they had lying around and also just wanting to be

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turbo bros. [music] So, we're going to have them linked down below for your refrigeration and heating needs. Um and

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that cost savings they gave us matters because now this thing is in pretty much

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fully functional, ready to be integrated condition.

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It's a pretty nice system, and we'd be happy to let it go for what we paid plus

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transport. You will have to capture the gas and regas it, but that cost is a

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fraction of what you'd spend on a machine of this size and class brand

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new. So, uh slide into my DMs. You know what I'm

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>> [music] >> If you guys enjoyed this video, go check out part one when we unboxed it. It's a

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pretty [music] cool little piece of hardware, and we

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skimmed over some of the details from that video today.
