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Over the years, huge players like Microsoft, Intel, and even Valve

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themselves have tried to [music] create the ultimate living room PC. Tried and

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failed. But this time, this time is going to be different, guys. I am so

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excited for the new Steam Machine. And hey, look, there he is now. Hey, come on

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in here, little guy. What? Oh, you know

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what? I don't think he's ready just yet.

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But I want a game in my living room now. What am I supposed to do? Wait. No,

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forget this. I'm going to do it myself. And I'm going to do it upright. I got my

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hands on one of the OG Steam Machine prototypes that Valve seeded out to

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lucky testers way back in 2013. Only 300

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of these were created. And this is number 228. You can tell by the pixels.

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I mean, this hole right here. This incredible little piece of history was

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rescued from the recyclers a couple of years ago. And ever since then, I've

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been waiting for just the right moment to modernize its hardware and turn it

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into the ultimate sleeper steam machine

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gaming box for my living room. Gabe Cube, please. It's time for the Gabe

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[music]

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According to Valve, their upcoming steam machine has more performance than 70% of

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existing steam clients. To our enthusiast audience, that might kind of

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sound like BS, but hanging out with the folks at Whale Land, it would be pretty

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easy to get a warped image of the typical PC gamer and the kind of

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hardware they're using. Both independent studies and Valve's own hardware survey

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seem to back up their conclusion. The Steam Machine is a nice little box, but

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it's also not a total powerhouse either.

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The six core CPU is using AMD's proven but now 3 years old Zen 4 architecture.

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The GPU is based on the similarly vintage RDNA3 architecture. And they've

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opted for just 8 GB of VRAM, which is

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kind of a tough pill to swallow in 2026,

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especially if the leaked pricing ends up being accurate. I want something a

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little more, you know, and I think I can

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do that without deviating from Valve's original philosophy for the Steam

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Machine all those years ago. I'm talking fully upgradeable commodity hardware and

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housed in Valve's own custom case from 2013. Of course, the first thing we're

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going to need to do is gut this thing

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and immediately find some odd choices like the clipless power connectors for

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the GPU, this screw that doesn't seem to

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be actually threaded into anything, a non-locking PCIe slot, and

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a fascinating method for securing the card into the case. They just took the

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PCIe cover top and just bent it. Now,

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these initial prototypes were sent out in a variety of configurations, but

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according to the all- knowing internets, all were powered by some version of a

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fourth gen Intel Core CPU on an ITX board with ironically an NVIDIA GPU, 16

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gigs of DDR3, a terabyte of mechanical storage, and an 8 gig SSD cache. All

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powered by a 450W SFX power supply.

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Right out of the gate, either the internet's got something wrong or whoever had this system made some choice

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upgrades to it because this right here is a 512 gig SSD.

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Oh, yeah. This SSD was added later. It was manufactured 2 years after they sent

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these out. >> Interesting. SATA power for the dual.

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>> Yeah, I've seen this before in NAS cases, for instance. Uh, installing

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these ones onto a cable is simply done by spreading out the wires and just

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putting it on and putting a thing on the back. So you can put them at any spacing you want. This is super convenient for

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putting a couple of drives really close together. There's a bunch of little

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kind of custom touches in here. This shrouding, for instance, is really cool.

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Basically, it ensures that even with an undersized cooler, right, you're

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bringing brand new fresh air directly to the CPU here. And back then, cooling the

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CPU was a much bigger concern than getting fresh air to your GPU, which

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didn't even have vent holes above it. That may need to be addressed. Man,

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cramming all modern stuff in here is not going to be trivial.

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All right. Is this an injection molded part?

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Injection molding for just 300 prototype units. It's also a non-trivial part to

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design the mold flow pattern for. Anyway,

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here's our board. Here's a PCIe riser.

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It would be pretty good luck if we could reuse this. But, uh, this would have

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been what, Gen 3 rated.

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Oh, look at how cute it is. Ah, it's so cute. I don't think I've ever seen such

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a short SATA cable. I mean, perfectly average length SATA cable. It's also

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definitely the correct shape. Our cooler fell apart. That was not what I expected

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to happen just now. In fairness, it's pretty old. Things

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fall apart when they're old.

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Okay, it seems that either as part of the process for installing this cooler,

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which I'm not familiar with, or as part

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of their own idea, Valve removed the ILM, that is the little arm and hold

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down mechanism that goes over the CPU, meaning that it just it just comes out.

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Um, a 4570

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Core i5. All right, that was a nice

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little chip back in the day. If only the recipient of this system had realized

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what an investment these were. [laughter] 16 gigs of RAM. DDR3 though. DDR3 is

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still not really worth very much. The last piece is our power supply. Now, if

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we were doing a more modest build, I could probably get away with using this

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one, but we're not. Interesting. Wait,

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before we go any further, come check this out. You can see what they were

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doing here. Even though there's no ventilation holes for this to draw air

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directly in front of it, they've got it set up so that it's meant to draw air

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from the vents on the side, then exhausted out the back of the case,

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never to be reused. Yeah, NVIDIA doesn't really do these designs anymore because

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they're worried that people will install GeForce cards in servers and AI

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machines. That's the actual reason.

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>> Another injection molded part. Those absolute mad lads.

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>> I think it might have been a Silverstone case design. I couldn't find an exact

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match. >> They almost certainly partnered with them cuz Silverstone does all kinds of

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weird stuff. Anywh who, we can get the power supply out now. Pretty normal

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looking power supply. Just Silverstone must have done up some custom cables for

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them. And that pretty much gets us down to the bottom. This is a fun one.

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The AC power plug is just held in by

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clamping down this piece on top of it.

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No screws. Then the last piece that needs to come out is the combination

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power button and power indicator ring LED. This Okay, not necessary, but I

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would love for us to modernize a little bit. Maybe put some RGB on it. How cool

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would that be? Oh, interesting. It has a reset switch on the board, but there was

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no access to that from the outside. >> I believe that's a reset for the LEDs,

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not for the computer itself. >> Interesting hypothesis. But then why

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would they have pins for a reset switch on here? >> Then I couldn't tell you.

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>> Yeah, I guess it doesn't really matter cuz we're not going to use this, right?

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We're going to do something cooler. >> Yeah. >> Oh, sick. And this is far from the only

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thing we're going to have to change. As much as it pains me to say it, there's no outcome where we're going to be able

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to build a modern system into this case exactly the way it is. So, when it comes

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to modifying it, there were two main camps internally. There were the

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preservationists and the terrorists. One

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side felt that such an important piece of computing history should remain

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untouched by the teeth of the Dremel, while the other side wanted to just hack

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it up for ventilation and who knows, maybe even give it a sick looking paint

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job. We settled for somewhere in the

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middle, recognizing that we are going to need more cooling for modern hardware,

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but also wanting to do so while changing the appearance of it as little as

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possible from the outside. So, the front

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as well as the sides and the top piece here are going to stay pretty much as

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is. As for the bottom, it's going to need some speed holes.

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>> All done. >> Wow, that was quick. >> Movie magic. I worked at the spacing of

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the holes on top. Tas in the lab did a 3D scan of the bottom so we could figure

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out where all these standoffs were that we wanted to avoid. And then Justin just

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printed off a little jig to hold it in the tormok and started drilling like an

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Albertan. Like I said, movie magic. >> You guys did a great job of this. The

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spacing's the same from the outside. The aesthetics are like the same. Oh, dude.

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>> Even did the hole. >> They did the hole. That's so cool. We've

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even got a black mesh to put in, so it has kind of the same look. Dude, this is

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so cool. Okay, down to business. A Yeah.

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Not that it really matters. I'm just wondering if it looks any

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better. Does look a little better.

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>> All right. All right, here's your Floatplane exclusive, kids. If Lin is coloring in every freaking hole,

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LMG.gg/flat plane. >> No one's going to want to watch that.

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>> You'd [music] be surprised. >> Oh, yeah.

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>> Oh, yeah. It is better. >> It does look so much cleaner, though. >> So, this goes in the front.

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>> Uh-huh. >> Then the power button goes into there.

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Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. This pops on [music]

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here.

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Sounds clicky. >> That sounds clicky to me. Sick. I just

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have to find somewhere to stash this Pico. Do we have any Capton tape here?

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>> I'll check upstairs. >> While we wait, let's talk about the specs that we're going to be putting in

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here. For our CPU, we've got a Ryzen 7 9800 X3D. Why? Well, fastest gaming CPU

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on the market, but we uh may end up

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swapping that out. And [music] the reason is that as you can see, even

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though we've got a more modern cooler in here, there [music] just plain isn't a

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lot of space. So that thermal rate AXP90X47

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cooler is going to have to turn the RPMs up pretty high on this fan in order to

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keep this CPU cool. So a 7800 X3D might

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actually [music] be a better choice in the longer term. For our memory, we've got 32 gigs of GSkill, 6,000 mega

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transfer per second RAM because we got it before the shortage. Lucky. And for

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storage, a one terbte Crucial P5 Plus because this is the rubbing it in. We

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still have this hardware before it went unavailable build. Apparently, it's all

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mounted on an ASRock B650E PG ITX Wi-Fi

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with actually really nice ample IO. Lots

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of USB, 2 and 1/2 gig LAN, and Wi-Fi 6E.

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Oh, wait. This is the one that has that cool connector. What does this do again?

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I forget. >> I thought it might have been a display thing or something, but I didn't actually look it up. Yes, it does. It

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has embedded DisplayPort out. >> Huh. >> So, it's great for like um like

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commercial solutions or something like not that I need any of that, but that's

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very cool. Yeah. And then it has another M.2 on the back if I ever wanted to have

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more storage. Let's go ahead and get this installed. >> Is the back plate on this cooler a lot

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thicker than the old one? >> Oh, yeah. She's beefy. >> She's boowing.

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>> Just don't do that. [laughter] Okay, we're just going to bow out the

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bottom of the case, apparently. >> I mean, it was in such good shape to begin with, too.

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>> Well, that's fair. I'm having a heck of a time lining up the IO shield.

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>> It's a [music] little crooked. >> Oh, wow. >> Came from a recycler. It wasn't in

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amazing shape to begin with. >> All right, capton tape is here. And now

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it won't short out on anything. There. >> Beautiful.

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>> Oh, dude. This is so exciting. I've wanted to build in this thing for so long. We've got an RGB connector here as

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well. RGB you can find. >> We can go ahead and plug in our front

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USB 3 now. And now

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this >> shroud for our cooling here. Try to give us a little bit of direction.

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>> Genius. I love it. This way we're going

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to be recycling less of the CPU heat than we otherwise would. Let's see if we

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can make some small modifications here.

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Here. Check this out. Oh yeah, that's better. Yeah. Uh there is one thing that

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I felt was a little questionable. We have this shroud covering um the fins

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here. I don't know if I agree. >> We're trying to pull the air down and

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out. >> Uh but anything over here is not going

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out anyway. It's just going to get kind of stuck. I think we should allow it to come out the side.

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>> Further modifications. >> All right. I mean, I have been known to press my

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luck from time to time. >> No, you'd never do that.

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That 3D printer slaved away to make that for you. >> If it wanted to be paid, it should have

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thought of that before becoming a 3D printer. Okay, so that leaves these fins

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open. >> Here's a nice part. >> Uh

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oh. For power. There we go. Oh. Oh,

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that's so cool. I love it. And then I assume there's a top piece. [music]

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>> It's called a video card. >> No. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay.

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So, power supply next. I see. We reinvented the wheel, creating our own

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shroud. >> The bigger issue was that the power connector was flipped the other way

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around. So, our 90° was the wrong 90. >> It's a left angle now.

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>> We wanted a 270. >> Understood. Okay. Oh, for our power

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supply, we've gone with this 850 W SF850

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from Corsair. Why? >> Plenty of power.

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>> Cool. Yep. Good chat. Oh, this is pretty clever. [music] Check this out. There's

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a little spot for it. Ah, so cute. Beautiful.

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Look at all the space in here. >> Not how I would describe it, but yeah,

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sure. Time for our PCIe riser. Now,

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Jordan, I couldn't help noticing we have a PCIe Gen 5 GPU. Are we worried about

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losing any performance from this thing? >> No. Panker said it's good.

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>> No way. >> Yep. >> It just worked with Gen 5.

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>> Yeah. >> A much finer job of bending this than

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Valve did. How did we do this? >> With a vice. >> Nice. We chose this because this is the

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biggest card that would physically fit in here. >> Got it. Oh, I guess we never mentioned

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the specs. It's a 9070 XT. So, the

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fastest current generation card that [music] is out of the box compatible

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with Steam OS, which obviously I'm going to want to use if I'm running a Steam

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machine. It is worth noting though that we had to use the beta branch of Steam

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OS in order to get such a new card to

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work. Now, the last bit that I got to figure

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out is [sighs] how to get these power connectors to the

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GPU. Wow, that's actually a fair bit of space

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for that to dry air from. >> Yeah. >> And right, we've got this ventilation

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that we put in here. This might just work. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, dude. Dude,

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this is so going to work. >> How many minutes before he gives up and does it the right way?

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>> Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. It's going to work. It's going to work. You just wait. Hold on. I need a couple more cable

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ties. That's [music] the problem. >> Here, I'll hold that.

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>> Thank you. We have a USB connector that's just kind of hanging out in here.

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That's for this. It's the closest analog

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to um integrated controller receiver

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support that uh we could come up with. Oh, wow. That's a big stretch.

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[screaming] All right.

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She all packs in there.

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This is flipping awesome. Eight 3D

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vcache Ryzen Zen 5 cores, 9070 XT, 32

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gigs RAM. Freaking wow,

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she's dense. And she's got absolutely no

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way to get fresh air to that GPU.

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>> There you go. >> Thank you for that. Unless

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feet. See, this is not a modification. I

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don't count this. This is not permanent. These were holes that were already there, I think. Boom. She's done.

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>> But does she work? >> Yeah. Hard to say with after all she's

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been through. Let's give it a shot. >> All right. >> Big moment.

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>> There's a light. >> Okay, that's cool. I saw a thing.

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>> All right. Sick. And that's it.

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>> It works. >> We're booted in Steam OS. Now, we did need the beta branch in order to get our

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GPU to work, but is there downside?

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Like, obviously, this isn't a Steam controller. This is an 8bit do Ultimate

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2C, so I don't have like a dedicated [music] Steam menu button or whatever,

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but I can use shortcuts so I can access

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all the usual cool stuff that I would. We've got HDR enabled because Valve

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[music] and the open source community are incredible and got that implemented

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on Steam OS. Now, riddle me this. Does it [music] support waking from sleep

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with the controller? >> Not exactly.

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>> What about turning on automatically via CEC? >> No.

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We'll get to those later. Very cool. So,

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right away, we can try out the Proton compatibility layer by playing a game.

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Not a demanding game, but we'll get to that in a moment. All right.

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Heck yeah. Casual 400 FPS.

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Freaking awesome.

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Dang it. I warned us about the rattly great. >> I'm not sure you did.

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>> There we go. That's Let That's Let's fix that for now. So, our GPU is at 100%

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usage, right? >> 100% 70 Celsius. >> Okay. Wow. That's pretty good for how

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quiet it is. >> It's not bad. >> It's the CPU that I was honestly more

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worried about, though. And that we're going to hit a little bit harder when we get into Cyberpunk in a minute.

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>> Yeah, that's at like 10% here with 65 Celsius.

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>> Oh, wow. The skin temperatures of this

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thing are nuts. You know what? For the

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most part though, the airflow path that we designed is working.

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>> Yep. >> Like we're getting all the heat from the CPU out this side [music] and then the

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GPU is mostly kicking out here over on this

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side. The back of the GPU where it's pulling in from the bottom and then just

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like blowing against the top here though. A little spicy. [music] I think

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the maximum performance version of this setup would actually have another grill

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here to allow that pass through GPU to just blow up the top of the case. And

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you think we can do 4K with a little bit of upscaling? Give it a try. I mean,

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they claim the Steam Machine will. So,

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okay. So, GPU 0 is at 300 W, which is

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about what a 970 XT is rated for, if I recall correctly. Our CPU, meanwhile,

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74 degrees C. >> It's like 20% use. It was not crazy.

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This looks really good. >> This blows away the image quality and

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performance of the Steam Machine. Not even close. The cooler is a major

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challenge. [music] >> It's not even that loud.

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>> It's a lot louder than a steam machine. [music] I can tell you that much.

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>> Fair, >> dude. Is this this easy?

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Let's go middle of the road. Clearly, there's a little bit more finetuning to

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do here, but we've got temperatures on the CPU well under control. We're at

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just over 70° now, and it is [music] way

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quieter and still way faster than the

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Steam Machine. Like, this level of quality that it's running at right now

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is head and shoulders above what it was doing on the Steam Machine. It's not

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even close. >> Like, I got RA tracing on, dude. Like if I turn RA tracing off, all [music] of a

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sudden, forget [snorts] about it, dude. >> Bumps me up 30 frames easily.

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>> Well over 60 FPS, 4K. Still looks great.

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It's a good-look game with or without ray tracing. And

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that's [music] way quieter. >> Yeah. >> But there is one more thing that an

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official Steam machine does that this one won't. See, I would love it if my

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controller could wake the system and if I could have seamless operation with my

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TV just like a real game console. [music] And the way that works is with

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CEC. It stands for consumer electronics control. And it's a really cool feature

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of HDMI that lets devices use a single wire in the HDMI connector to exchange

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commands like, "Hey, turn on or switch

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your input." So that I can work right away just automatically. And it's really

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cool when it works, but it doesn't work, does it?

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>> It's complicated. >> Okay. Not a yes.

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>> It's not a no. >> Okay. >> It's not a no. It's just that as Valve

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found in their own development of Steam Machine, consumer GPUs don't support CC.

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>> There are solutions that people pointed out to us. In fact, a wonderful member

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of our community brought this to our attention. It's a dongle from Pulsate.

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It has an HDMI input and then a pass through and it plugs into the system via

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USB allowing you to inject CEC commands.

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So why isn't it hooked up to the system? It doesn't just work. Unfortunately, I

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had to I ended up having to install dev tools, compile their libraries, compile

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the the actual program in order to get a debug program working. So I can actually

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like see CC commands going and I can

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issue them. But every TV is different.

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You know how everyone rebrands the CC their own little special thing? Well,

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they all implement them differently as well. >> Cool. So, what does that look like in

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the real world? >> So, in the real world on this TV, I can get it to change inputs if we want it

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to. >> I can turn off the TV. >> Oh, cool. >> I can't turn it on,

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>> right? >> No matter what you do, it will not turn on.

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>> We did some more digging and we found a DP to HDMI adapter that also claims to

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support CC. So, we ordered that. Um,

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>> same story. >> So, basically, you're telling me that it

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is just not reliable enough to build it into the startup and shutdown sequences

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of the operating system and have it do what it's supposed to. >> You couldn't rely on it. And then I also

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found that Valve built in a special

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[music] circuit into the controller to do the

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power on, power off thing. >> Oh, so it's not just using like wake on

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USB. No, apparently not.

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>> Okay, >> other than that, if you can deal with pressing like two buttons, I think we

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got it in a pretty good state. >> I think for the extra performance that's

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on tap and the upgradeability, I can do that

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If you guys enjoyed this video, why not check out our last steam machine video

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where we built something that is much closer [music] to the performance

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profile of the real valve machine and took a shot at what we think the pricing

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might be. Although the uh RAM Apocalypse

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might [music] have. That probably made things go up a little