{"video_id":"2lTWI7kfkt0","title":"This Solid State Fan is backed by Dell  - Ventiva at CES 2025","channel":"ShortCircuit","show":"ShortCircuit","published_at":"2025-05-04T14:58:16Z","duration_s":606,"segments":[{"start_s":0.08,"end_s":8.48,"text":"we're here at CES 2025 to look at this","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":3.76,"end_s":10.759,"text":"Dell Pro 14 premium now it looks pretty","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":8.48,"end_s":15.839,"text":"standard from here although if you look at it from this angle you can see that","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":13.12,"end_s":21.32,"text":"it's Slimmer than any other one that has ever been made and that is because this","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":18.52,"end_s":27.76,"text":"particular example does not have a single fan in it but it's not fanless","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":23.64,"end_s":30.16,"text":"well it is but it also has ice as in 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but it also has ice as in an ion cooling engine let's have a look at in this is the ventiva ice 9 and if you look really really close there is a super tiny wire right here and across it they put 5,000 volts now before we get into the science of that you might be a little bit concerned about having 5,000 volts just in your laptop but don't be concerned the current limits are super super small so if you touch it you'll get a tiny bit of electric shock but it will not be harming you what that 5 th000 volts does is ionizes the air giving it a positive charge and then this area in the back is grounded which is effectively a negative charge this means you know positive attract to negative air goes out the back of your laptop and becomes nice and cool this guy right here is capable of about 8 CFM which is similar to what you would find in a typical thin and light laptop fan now I did ask them if it's possible to just throw More Voltage at the the problem and get more air flow out of it but it turns out that the limit of this is actually the breakdown of the air so at a certain point this stops becoming ionizing air and you get lightning in your laptop which is obviously not very ideal so physics kind of has them a little bit constrained but fortunately space doesn't necessarily they have a 40 W solution right here because of the size of it it actually works really well with typical heat sink designs like you think of it a fin stack is always thin long that sort of a shape a fan is a square so if you can instead have a little ion driver chummy that is there instead it's much more convenient for the design of your thermal solution one problem though is that the static pressure of these is uh not not good at all it's very very bad the poor air flow though is not really vena's problem in this case it is Dell's so they have been actually working with Dell and Intel to help Design This which is incredible I cannot believe that oems are already on board with this but basically they've redesigned how the vents are put in the bottom of the laptop to optimize for very low static pressure and high air flow which allows us to have very similar performance to a laptop that has traditional fans in it and it also even means that can be thinner because you don't need the air gap that a traditional blower fan does need over top of it very cool now why would you want to do that well very simple sound a typical laptop like this might be somewhere around 28 DB around there is whereas with the ventiva ice it's able to get down to 14 I can almost guarantee you that whatever room you are in right now is way louder than 14 DB for some context of how absurdly quiet 15 DB is we have put a bunch of work into creating an acoustic chamber at our office and that is able to get about like an 18 D noise floor meaning that even with as much isolation as we can put into that little room we still would not be able to hear this thing it is so quiet only the air moving through the fins creates a noise two problems though if they want to make this an actual product first of all powering the thing it's 5,000 Vols so that can be an issue and the second is it might be a bit toxic we'll get to that in a bit first of all the power so this right here is a pretty typical stepup converter basically you go from 5 Vols to 5,000 using just a whole bunch of little Electronics in there this one as it stands is about 60% efficient and that Nets you compared to a normal fan something like minus 20% efficiency now Dell says currently that's about a wash for power because since it is smaller than a traditional fan they can add in more battery but at the same time theoretically this could be more what like 80 to 90% efficient and they do think that they can get up to around there which would bring it just about even with the efficiency of a typical computer fan the second problem toxicity and speaking of which dbrand is very toxic on Twitter that's the segue to our sponsor spot our CES coverage is sponsored by D Brand's new ghost case 2.0 have you ever owned a clear case that looked like this well with the ghost case 2.0 that's literally impossible dbrands words not mine in fact they're so confident about their zero yelling guarantee that they'll literally give you a free replacement for life if it ever turns yellow now you may have heard that clear cases can scratch pretty easily in fact dbrand had that exact problem with their original 1.0 version of the ghost not anymore though they have spent over a year developing an allnew scratch resistant coding and replacing every single ghost 1.0 customer for free that's how we got this one right here so if you want to get the Holy Grail of clear cases from a company that cares about their customers head over to dbrand.com and for a limited time get $10 off no coupon required thank you to dbrand for sponsoring this video okay back to the toxicity thing now when we are ionizing air one of the things that is in air quite an important part of it is oxygen and oxygen is two oxygen molecules that are together you ionize it boom they go apart now you have oxygen and another oxygen just o1 the problem is is that sometimes it likes to create o03 which is Ozone and which is not particularly good for you now in higher quantities ozone can be toxic you could never create a toxic amount of it out of one of these guys but at the same time it smells you only need a very tiny bit of it for it to be smelly cuz our noses are excellent at their job to combat the ozone they have actually coated the fins in the heat sink with maganese dioxide that acts kind of like a catalytic verter in your car which takes the ozone and allows it to easily go back into the O2 that it wants to be even if you just have ozone normally in your house it will break down in 25 minutes or so that is the halflife so you don't really have to worry about it but you don't want your laptop to be smelly one other thing that I was a little bit curious about though is dust it seems like that if you have just this tiny little wire in there it could be very prone to getting clogged up and of course it is not impervious to dust but interestingly it can also detect dust now they won't tell me exactly how it works trade secret crap but apparently the electrical characteristics of this wire will change as dust gets attached to it and they can actually create a report of how much dust your laptop has in intake and also Dell apparently will just not make a laptop if it gets dusty and stops working I asked them about how they do it and I guess they have just a chamber that is filled with cat hair and dust and they just shake a laptop around in it for quite a while and if it stops working they don't sell you that laptop makes a lot of sense another thing you might be concerned about is upgradeability but fortunately that's very simple there's a screw right here and a screw right there and then you pull on this and it doesn't come off cuz it's glued down in this prototype but in theory you could just take this top cover off swap out this component right here and then boom you have a working not fan fan once again and another thing is just the cost now of course they are absolutely nowhere near the economies of scale that you have with fans fans have been around for a very long time and unsurprisingly people have gotten very good at making them for cheap but that said these right here are very uncom licated it is a wire and a little bit of stamped metal so this portion right here should be quite cheap although that said you do still need a PCB and a bunch of electronics to get it up to 5,000 volts so they don't expect it to ever get below the cost of a fan but it should be able to get pretty darn close and again I just want to talk about how absolutely stoked I am about this not just cuz I have a cool engineering sample thing here I've seen loads of weird engineering samples and again the thing that makes me the most excited about this is the fact that ventiva aren't the only ones that are excited about it this is a real proof of concept that was made in collaboration with Dell and Intel has also been putting a lot of engineering behind getting it integrated and just generally testing it with their designs that means that it isn't just them looking for it but there's a good chance that you might actually have a Dell laptop in the future that has no stands but still has forced induction what would you call it but still has air flow still has air flow sure we'll call it that now one final thing here you guys get to decide who is correct the Dell inventiva Engineers have been arguing of what they should call this phenomenon there's a couple names so we can either go with kulic Force electrohydrodynamic flow ion drag or Corona wind put down in the comments below which one you think should win just like you should have a great old day huge thanks for watching this video hit like get subscribed and I'll see you 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