WEBVTT 00:00:00.350 --> 00:00:06.210 - Does an 8,000 Hertz polling rate matter. Are we entering the next gen of gaming mice? 00:00:06.210 --> 00:00:10.730 Can Razer make a mouse that I'll actually want to use? 00:00:10.730 --> 00:00:15.430 Let's find out, in this unboxing of the Viper 8KHz. 00:00:15.430 --> 00:00:19.970 If you follow mice, you probably know that pretty much everything is capped at a 1000Hz polling rates. 00:00:19.970 --> 00:00:26.530 So that means that, when you're using your mouse it reports to your computer a thousand times per second. 00:00:26.530 --> 00:00:31.000 It's not perfectly divided into millisecond chunks depending on your system and workload, 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:34.900 it can be inconsistent. And so when I first heard 00:00:34.900 --> 00:00:38.840 about the 8,000Hz polling rate mouse, 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:41.630 the first retail one, I was kind of like 00:00:42.790 --> 00:00:46.380 do we really need this? Or is a thousand enough? But the more I thought about it 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:50.840 the more it started to make sense. And so I'm really excited to get into it. 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.873 So let's start the unboxing. All right. 00:00:53.873 --> 00:00:57.970 So before we get into the kind of nitty gritty of does 8,000Hz matter? 00:00:57.970 --> 00:01:01.293 Let's just take a look at the mouse. All right. 00:01:01.293 --> 00:01:07.160 It's kind of like an Amazon basics packaging, but I like it. I haven't used a wired Razer mouse in a long time. 00:01:07.160 --> 00:01:12.160 It's a message from Razer CEO, Min-Liang Tan, 00:01:12.500 --> 00:01:18.350 who loves to make gamery things. It's stickers, it's an instruction manual 00:01:18.350 --> 00:01:21.560 plug it in and it works. It looks like it gives you a breakdown 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:27.230 of what the buttons are and what they do. And that's cool, but enough looking at paper 00:01:28.430 --> 00:01:32.540 let's look at this mouse. All right. 00:01:32.540 --> 00:01:34.343 Yeah, I'm a fan of that bag. 00:01:35.610 --> 00:01:39.830 So it's nice. They have a little cable management thing built on, 00:01:39.830 --> 00:01:44.320 the green razor. It's a braided cable. 00:01:44.320 --> 00:01:47.430 I mean, this is a pretty good cable. It feels like it wouldn't catch on anything. 00:01:47.430 --> 00:01:52.810 It feels sturdy. So this is the Viper. So it's pretty similar to the Viper Ultimate 00:01:52.810 --> 00:01:57.470 or the Viper you can get right now. It has buttons on both sides, which is kind of nice. 00:01:57.470 --> 00:02:01.700 I'm not a big fan of these buttons. I find that they're kind of easy to press in. 00:02:01.700 --> 00:02:05.060 It's got the textured side, which is pretty nice. 00:02:05.060 --> 00:02:08.970 These are the Razer gen two optical switches, they're supposed to be faster. 00:02:08.970 --> 00:02:12.870 And what I've seen online is actually, is pretty quick to click. 00:02:12.870 --> 00:02:17.080 Scroll wheel, that's pretty good. It doesn't like build momentum. It just feels like it clicks 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:22.970 as many times as you're turning it. I think the textured plastic doesn't feel super premium 00:02:22.970 --> 00:02:27.700 but it's not bad. Overall, It feels pretty light, it's 71 grams. 00:02:27.700 --> 00:02:31.810 So it's not the lightest mouse there's a lighter wireless mouse with the G Pro X 00:02:31.810 --> 00:02:36.130 but 71 grams is it's still pretty lightened. With this minimal cable drag, 00:02:36.130 --> 00:02:41.100 that's a pretty smooth experience. They've done a good job having a fair amount of glide pad 00:02:41.100 --> 00:02:45.680 including around the sensor. And so it's a pretty smooth experience. 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:49.710 And it's $79.99. This is pretty par for the cost. 00:02:49.710 --> 00:02:54.840 What's really exciting is, the polling rate. And so it's got a 20K sensor, 00:02:54.840 --> 00:03:00.860 it's considered a flawless sensor, so that's great. But the fact that it's reporting 8,000 times a second 00:03:00.860 --> 00:03:04.630 is a pretty big deal. So if you guys have used a mouse, 00:03:04.630 --> 00:03:07.780 it currently is probably using a 1000Hz polling rates. 00:03:07.780 --> 00:03:12.380 And if you went down to 500, you could tell the difference, 250, 125, huge difference. 00:03:12.380 --> 00:03:17.810 The amount of micro stutter, not even micro stutter, macro stutter you'll feel is insane. 00:03:17.810 --> 00:03:22.800 And a mouse is one of the most kind of like extension of your body, kind of peripherals. 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:27.590 Like you can use a controller and using your thumbs but that's not like a big part of your body. 00:03:27.590 --> 00:03:32.860 Here you're doing big sweeping movements, big smooth movements. So you can feel anything. 00:03:32.860 --> 00:03:36.073 I don't want to get too far into the science of 8K and how that works. 00:03:36.073 --> 00:03:40.483 We actually did an LTT video covering that. So you can check that out in one of these fingers. 00:03:43.180 --> 00:03:47.500 This is like the first time that like the mouse I measured is actually it's not even 70 grams. 00:03:47.500 --> 00:03:50.650 - [Jono] Put all the cable on it. Oh, it'd be more than that though. 00:03:50.650 --> 00:03:53.980 Just like the USB end will be a lot more 00:03:53.980 --> 00:03:57.060 100 grams. Thank you to our sponsor, PIA. 00:03:57.060 --> 00:04:00.900 Private Internet Access is a VPN that lets you access services and websites 00:04:00.900 --> 00:04:04.130 as if you were in a different country. Hey, you're in the U S 00:04:04.130 --> 00:04:08.560 and you want to watch the office on Netflix. You can do it, go to Canada, dog. 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:12.630 It encrypts all your internet traffic and uses a safe, protected IP. 00:04:12.630 --> 00:04:17.910 You connect up to five devices at once. There's clients for Windows, macOS, Android, 00:04:17.910 --> 00:04:22.550 iOS and Linux. And right now, if you buy a one-year plan for $39.95 00:04:22.550 --> 00:04:25.980 you get three months free at the link in the video description. 00:04:25.980 --> 00:04:30.160 Perfect! So for this setup, we're using a high-end gaming PC 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:35.720 but more importantly, we're using a 360Hz monitor to see if we can see a difference. 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:39.740 This is like the highest refresh rate you can get on a retail monitor. 00:04:39.740 --> 00:04:42.973 Yeah, it's a smooth experience. The cable, 00:04:42.973 --> 00:04:46.650 I mean, I would have a bungee if I was using this long-term. So that's kind of cool, 00:04:46.650 --> 00:04:49.800 you can change all the buttons, which I think is.. 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:55.000 If you don't have that, then I don't know what you're doing. Switch it between left-handed and right-handed mode. 00:04:55.000 --> 00:05:00.310 Choose your DPI, I play at 800. Yes, this thing is so good. 00:05:00.310 --> 00:05:03.890 Let's jus do two and they're both going to be 800 just in case. 00:05:03.890 --> 00:05:07.260 Here we can change the polling rate. That's super cool. 00:05:07.260 --> 00:05:09.310 I mean, like let's just try it right now. 00:05:12.484 --> 00:05:16.180 (chuckles) That's not a good sign that I can't tell. 00:05:16.180 --> 00:05:20.220 I'll probably feel more in game. So let's, let's start at 8,000, let's see how that feels. 00:05:20.220 --> 00:05:24.370 Right off the bat, it's really smooth. I'm excited to compare it though, 00:05:24.370 --> 00:05:27.420 to see if it's like noticeably smoother than a thousand. 00:05:27.420 --> 00:05:31.440 Really it's going to be one of those things that like in day-to-day use, it's not really going to matter. 00:05:31.440 --> 00:05:34.670 It's really for high refresh rate game. 00:05:34.670 --> 00:05:38.910 So games like Esports games like shooters, especially. That's why they released this mouse 00:05:38.910 --> 00:05:44.130 which is kind of designed for FPS. First is that this is where you're going to see 00:05:44.130 --> 00:05:47.410 the most advantage. So for things like tracking in a game, 00:05:47.410 --> 00:05:52.530 if you see a head and you want to track, there's so much more reporting 00:05:52.530 --> 00:05:55.670 in between the mouse and the computer for that smooth motion. 00:05:55.670 --> 00:06:00.270 So it should make tracking a lot easier. The difference will be way bigger 00:06:00.270 --> 00:06:08.180 in high refresh rate games. Like I did the calculation. If you're getting 69 frames in a game, nice! 00:06:08.300 --> 00:06:14.280 You would be getting like at a 1000Hz, the mouse can report like 15, 14 times every frame. 00:06:14.280 --> 00:06:19.223 So you're getting a lot of mouse reporting back and forth well mostly to the computer. 00:06:20.210 --> 00:06:23.830 And then at 8,000 you'd get like 116, 115 00:06:23.830 --> 00:06:26.183 like poles per frame. 00:06:27.100 --> 00:06:32.870 You probably not going to notice much of a difference but if you're playing at 420 frames, nice! 00:06:32.870 --> 00:06:36.780 Yeah at 420, at a 1000Hz you're getting like two or three 00:06:36.780 --> 00:06:43.060 like that's two or three poles per frame versus the 8,000, which would be like 19, 20. 00:06:43.060 --> 00:06:47.220 It's not going to be a one-to-one thing where these numbers show you exactly the difference between the two 00:06:47.220 --> 00:06:51.810 because there's other factors like your computer and your load that are actually coming into play. 00:06:51.810 --> 00:06:57.300 But it gives you an idea that at high refresh rates, this could make a difference. 00:06:57.300 --> 00:07:00.340 So I'm going to turn G-Sync off, because apparently 00:07:00.340 --> 00:07:04.660 G-sync is a crutch for a 1000Hz mice, 00:07:04.660 --> 00:07:07.670 but Razer said, yeah, turn off G-Sync if you want to feel the difference. 00:07:07.670 --> 00:07:11.350 So what I expect to really feel 00:07:11.350 --> 00:07:14.793 in terms of difference is the tracking. So I'm going to take a little bit more time 00:07:14.793 --> 00:07:19.170 than I normally would. And kind of just like see if... 00:07:21.619 --> 00:07:25.500 What? That doesn't feel right. I don't know if that's a mouse thing or what's going on 00:07:25.500 --> 00:07:30.360 but I keep the same settings everywhere I go in between mice it's always been about the same 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:31.713 but 10 feels right today. 00:07:34.130 --> 00:07:38.510 You know what? It feels smoother, but yeah, this is smooth. 00:07:38.510 --> 00:07:43.563 Yeah I'm not sure what's going on with my sensitivity. I know exactly what my sensitivity is. 00:07:44.910 --> 00:07:48.440 It's still, it's like now the difference for smooth is like min. 00:07:48.440 --> 00:07:52.740 And like, I have a bad habit, I drag my finger on the thing. So like that creates resistance 00:07:52.740 --> 00:07:57.320 and kind of like a lack of smoothness. What I'm gonna do now is I'm going to change the polling rate. 00:07:57.320 --> 00:08:01.693 Let's go all the way to 125 so I can feel the difference. Oh, oh God 00:08:01.693 --> 00:08:06.610 (laughs) I could not feel it before, I can feel it now. 00:08:06.610 --> 00:08:11.490 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to be in game to really feel the difference. This is Savage. 00:08:11.490 --> 00:08:16.100 This is awful. Okay, it's not, not a huge difference. 00:08:16.100 --> 00:08:19.820 It's definitely like, it's there, it's one of those things 00:08:20.750 --> 00:08:23.790 you probably won't really notice unless you're looking for it. 00:08:23.790 --> 00:08:27.070 And you're like, oh I just bought this 8,000Hz mouse feel how smooth it is. 00:08:27.070 --> 00:08:31.800 And it's like, wow. And if I wasn't looking forward I probably wouldn't immediately be like, 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:37.200 whoa this is a smoother experience. In the same way that like like 360 over 240, 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:42.600 isn't that much smoother, but it is. And if you're looking for every edge you can get 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:48.520 like I'm expecting pretty much every Esport mouse to have an 8,000Hz like polling rate 00:08:48.520 --> 00:08:54.260 probably by the end of next year. Cause like what are Esports gonna... If I was gonna use the absolute best, 00:08:54.260 --> 00:08:57.490 the absolute fastest and like I'm feeling this difference. 00:08:57.490 --> 00:09:02.140 I'm kind of like a little surprised. It's small, but it's perceptible. 00:09:02.140 --> 00:09:05.230 It's more perceptible than I thought when I saw people online doing, 00:09:05.230 --> 00:09:08.300 yeah it's totally smoother. I was like, uh huh yeah, sure 00:09:08.300 --> 00:09:12.930 for sure it is. Is this the 8,000Hz mouse you're going to want to get? 00:09:12.930 --> 00:09:17.500 Probably not. I have a hard time recommending Razer products, 00:09:17.500 --> 00:09:20.520 they don't have a great reputation for lasting a super long time. 00:09:20.520 --> 00:09:25.290 These new switches seem to be better. I mean, I like the way they click and it's fast. 00:09:25.290 --> 00:09:29.410 I've seen reports of it being a faster click than even like key pro. 00:09:29.410 --> 00:09:33.450 But in terms of build quality, let's do the same terrorist hunt 00:09:33.450 --> 00:09:37.040 with what I think is the absolute best gaming mouse. 00:09:37.040 --> 00:09:40.610 The G Pro X, it's super light. Is this a good experience though? 00:09:40.610 --> 00:09:44.590 Yeah, this is a good experience. Is it a better mouse? Yes, absolutely, in every way, 00:09:44.590 --> 00:09:50.110 except the polling rate. And so like, I'm not going to be sad for a while 00:09:50.110 --> 00:09:54.180 until 8,000Hz mice are really more standard 00:09:54.180 --> 00:09:58.610 in the same way that when a thousand Hertz started, there was a lot of issues. Like the OS had issues, 00:09:58.610 --> 00:10:03.330 games aren't really like optimized to take that kind of signal. Like right now a thousand is the normal 00:10:03.330 --> 00:10:06.430 and once everything, every bottleneck is kind of dealt with 00:10:06.430 --> 00:10:09.730 to handle 8,000 better, it's going to be an even better experience. 00:10:09.730 --> 00:10:12.800 Yeah, if you're looking at other Razer wired mice, 00:10:12.800 --> 00:10:17.660 it's a good option. In my opinion, other than the shape like there's not a real reason not to get it. 00:10:17.660 --> 00:10:22.500 It's priced at a delicious $79.99 price point. 00:10:22.500 --> 00:10:26.860 But having a wire, the Razer build quality, 00:10:26.860 --> 00:10:34.027 like there's things that are compromised and so it's a pretty cool, but it's not done yet, 00:10:34.870 --> 00:10:37.093 unlike this video, which is done. 00:10:37.970 --> 00:10:42.400 Now. Now. Thank you for watching this video, 00:10:42.400 --> 00:10:47.853 I really appreciate you guys sticking with me enjoying the 8000K ness in 4k, 00:10:50.367 --> 00:10:51.200 now.