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- Does an 8,000 Hertz polling rate matter. Are we entering the next gen of gaming mice?

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Can Razer make a mouse that I'll actually want to use?

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Let's find out, in this unboxing of the Viper 8KHz.

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If you follow mice, you probably know that pretty much everything is capped at a 1000Hz polling rates.

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So that means that, when you're using your mouse it reports to your computer a thousand times per second.

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It's not perfectly divided into millisecond chunks depending on your system and workload,

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it can be inconsistent. And so when I first heard

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about the 8,000Hz polling rate mouse,

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the first retail one, I was kind of like

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do we really need this? Or is a thousand enough? But the more I thought about it

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the more it started to make sense. And so I'm really excited to get into it.

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So let's start the unboxing. All right.

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So before we get into the kind of nitty gritty of does 8,000Hz matter?

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Let's just take a look at the mouse. All right.

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It's kind of like an Amazon basics packaging, but I like it. I haven't used a wired Razer mouse in a long time.

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It's a message from Razer CEO, Min-Liang Tan,

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who loves to make gamery things. It's stickers, it's an instruction manual

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plug it in and it works. It looks like it gives you a breakdown

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of what the buttons are and what they do. And that's cool, but enough looking at paper

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let's look at this mouse. All right.

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Yeah, I'm a fan of that bag.

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So it's nice. They have a little cable management thing built on,

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the green razor. It's a braided cable.

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I mean, this is a pretty good cable. It feels like it wouldn't catch on anything.

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It feels sturdy. So this is the Viper. So it's pretty similar to the Viper Ultimate

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or the Viper you can get right now. It has buttons on both sides, which is kind of nice.

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I'm not a big fan of these buttons. I find that they're kind of easy to press in.

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It's got the textured side, which is pretty nice.

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These are the Razer gen two optical switches, they're supposed to be faster.

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And what I've seen online is actually, is pretty quick to click.

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Scroll wheel, that's pretty good. It doesn't like build momentum. It just feels like it clicks

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as many times as you're turning it. I think the textured plastic doesn't feel super premium

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but it's not bad. Overall, It feels pretty light, it's 71 grams.

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So it's not the lightest mouse there's a lighter wireless mouse with the G Pro X

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but 71 grams is it's still pretty lightened. With this minimal cable drag,

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that's a pretty smooth experience. They've done a good job having a fair amount of glide pad

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including around the sensor. And so it's a pretty smooth experience.

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And it's $79.99. This is pretty par for the cost.

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What's really exciting is, the polling rate. And so it's got a 20K sensor,

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it's considered a flawless sensor, so that's great. But the fact that it's reporting 8,000 times a second

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is a pretty big deal. So if you guys have used a mouse,

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it currently is probably using a 1000Hz polling rates.

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And if you went down to 500, you could tell the difference, 250, 125, huge difference.

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The amount of micro stutter, not even micro stutter, macro stutter you'll feel is insane.

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And a mouse is one of the most kind of like extension of your body, kind of peripherals.

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Like you can use a controller and using your thumbs but that's not like a big part of your body.

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Here you're doing big sweeping movements, big smooth movements. So you can feel anything.

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I don't want to get too far into the science of 8K and how that works.

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We actually did an LTT video covering that. So you can check that out in one of these fingers.

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This is like the first time that like the mouse I measured is actually it's not even 70 grams.

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- [Jono] Put all the cable on it. Oh, it'd be more than that though.

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Just like the USB end will be a lot more

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Perfect! So for this setup, we're using a high-end gaming PC

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but more importantly, we're using a 360Hz monitor to see if we can see a difference.

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This is like the highest refresh rate you can get on a retail monitor.

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Yeah, it's a smooth experience. The cable,

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I mean, I would have a bungee if I was using this long-term. So that's kind of cool,

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you can change all the buttons, which I think is..

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If you don't have that, then I don't know what you're doing. Switch it between left-handed and right-handed mode.

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Choose your DPI, I play at 800. Yes, this thing is so good.

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Let's jus do two and they're both going to be 800 just in case.

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Here we can change the polling rate. That's super cool.

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I mean, like let's just try it right now.

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(chuckles) That's not a good sign that I can't tell.

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I'll probably feel more in game. So let's, let's start at 8,000, let's see how that feels.

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Right off the bat, it's really smooth. I'm excited to compare it though,

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to see if it's like noticeably smoother than a thousand.

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Really it's going to be one of those things that like in day-to-day use, it's not really going to matter.

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It's really for high refresh rate game.

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So games like Esports games like shooters, especially. That's why they released this mouse

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which is kind of designed for FPS. First is that this is where you're going to see

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the most advantage. So for things like tracking in a game,

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if you see a head and you want to track, there's so much more reporting

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in between the mouse and the computer for that smooth motion.

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So it should make tracking a lot easier. The difference will be way bigger

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in high refresh rate games. Like I did the calculation. If you're getting 69 frames in a game, nice!

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You would be getting like at a 1000Hz, the mouse can report like 15, 14 times every frame.

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So you're getting a lot of mouse reporting back and forth well mostly to the computer.

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And then at 8,000 you'd get like 116, 115

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like poles per frame.

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You probably not going to notice much of a difference but if you're playing at 420 frames, nice!

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Yeah at 420, at a 1000Hz you're getting like two or three

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like that's two or three poles per frame versus the 8,000, which would be like 19, 20.

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It's not going to be a one-to-one thing where these numbers show you exactly the difference between the two

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because there's other factors like your computer and your load that are actually coming into play.

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But it gives you an idea that at high refresh rates, this could make a difference.

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So I'm going to turn G-Sync off, because apparently

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G-sync is a crutch for a 1000Hz mice,

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but Razer said, yeah, turn off G-Sync if you want to feel the difference.

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So what I expect to really feel

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in terms of difference is the tracking. So I'm going to take a little bit more time

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than I normally would. And kind of just like see if...

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What? That doesn't feel right. I don't know if that's a mouse thing or what's going on

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but I keep the same settings everywhere I go in between mice it's always been about the same

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but 10 feels right today.

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You know what? It feels smoother, but yeah, this is smooth.

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Yeah I'm not sure what's going on with my sensitivity. I know exactly what my sensitivity is.

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It's still, it's like now the difference for smooth is like min.

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And like, I have a bad habit, I drag my finger on the thing. So like that creates resistance

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and kind of like a lack of smoothness. What I'm gonna do now is I'm going to change the polling rate.

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Let's go all the way to 125 so I can feel the difference. Oh, oh God

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(laughs) I could not feel it before, I can feel it now.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to be in game to really feel the difference. This is Savage.

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This is awful. Okay, it's not, not a huge difference.

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It's definitely like, it's there, it's one of those things

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you probably won't really notice unless you're looking for it.

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And you're like, oh I just bought this 8,000Hz mouse feel how smooth it is.

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And it's like, wow. And if I wasn't looking forward I probably wouldn't immediately be like,

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whoa this is a smoother experience. In the same way that like like 360 over 240,

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isn't that much smoother, but it is. And if you're looking for every edge you can get

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like I'm expecting pretty much every Esport mouse to have an 8,000Hz like polling rate

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probably by the end of next year. Cause like what are Esports gonna... If I was gonna use the absolute best,

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the absolute fastest and like I'm feeling this difference.

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I'm kind of like a little surprised. It's small, but it's perceptible.

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It's more perceptible than I thought when I saw people online doing,

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yeah it's totally smoother. I was like, uh huh yeah, sure

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for sure it is. Is this the 8,000Hz mouse you're going to want to get?

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Probably not. I have a hard time recommending Razer products,

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they don't have a great reputation for lasting a super long time.

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These new switches seem to be better. I mean, I like the way they click and it's fast.

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I've seen reports of it being a faster click than even like key pro.

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But in terms of build quality, let's do the same terrorist hunt

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with what I think is the absolute best gaming mouse.

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The G Pro X, it's super light. Is this a good experience though?

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Yeah, this is a good experience. Is it a better mouse? Yes, absolutely, in every way,

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except the polling rate. And so like, I'm not going to be sad for a while

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until 8,000Hz mice are really more standard

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in the same way that when a thousand Hertz started, there was a lot of issues. Like the OS had issues,

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games aren't really like optimized to take that kind of signal. Like right now a thousand is the normal

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and once everything, every bottleneck is kind of dealt with

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to handle 8,000 better, it's going to be an even better experience.

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Yeah, if you're looking at other Razer wired mice,

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it's a good option. In my opinion, other than the shape like there's not a real reason not to get it.

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It's priced at a delicious $79.99 price point.

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But having a wire, the Razer build quality,

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like there's things that are compromised and so it's a pretty cool, but it's not done yet,

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unlike this video, which is done.

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Now. Now. Thank you for watching this video,

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I really appreciate you guys sticking with me enjoying the 8000K ness in 4k,

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now.