WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:05.440 on paper this is a king-tier gaming 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:10.480 controller offering an unprecedented one-two punch of cross-compatibility and 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:14.639 durability and yet it comes from a company that i only just heard of when 00:00:13.280 --> 00:00:19.439 they made the news for offering replacement analog sticks for the valve 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:23.760 steam deck it comes from gili kit and they're calling it the king kong 2 pro 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:26.960 controller but what makes it so special aside from the 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:31.119 fact that it comes with a nice little carrying case man i love that actually 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:35.280 nice little hard case if you like to travel or just keep your belongings safe 00:00:33.120 --> 00:00:39.200 when they're in storage although i can immediately see some ways that it could 00:00:36.800 --> 00:00:42.559 be improved there's no pass-through for charging so you can't charge your 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:45.920 controller while it is inside the case and also 00:00:43.680 --> 00:00:49.920 oh i'm i'm less impressed now this hinge seems like it's 00:00:47.440 --> 00:00:54.559 not long for this world but the same cannot be said of the controller itself 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:58.160 on the surface it looks just like an xbox series x controller it's even got 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:01.039 the same little texture dimples on the back although there are some switch 00:00:59.680 --> 00:01:06.680 buttons added to it we'll talk more about that later but it's what's under the hood that counts the king kong 2 pro 00:01:05.360 --> 00:01:11.600 instead of using cheap potentiometer-based joysticks uses hall 00:01:09.360 --> 00:01:17.280 effect joysticks so that means that unlike the playstation 5 nintendo switch 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:20.799 xbox series and even the valve steam deck the king kong 2 pros joysticks 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:25.040 should last much longer the reason for this is that 00:01:22.880 --> 00:01:30.159 potentiometer joysticks are kind of like us it's not a matter of if 00:01:27.520 --> 00:01:34.640 it's a matter of when they will expire they use two potentiometers one in the 00:01:32.320 --> 00:01:40.079 x-axis one in the y-axis and a potentiometer if you're not familiar is 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:42.479 a variable resistor so what happens is 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:47.280 as you move the potentiometer the voltage readout changes indicating to 00:01:44.880 --> 00:01:53.680 your pc or to your console where the analog stick is the problem is that 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:56.000 potentiometers have moving wearing parts 00:01:53.680 --> 00:02:00.159 and when the metal contacts wear out it can actually change those resistance 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:04.719 values that's what's known as joystick drift so your joystick might be sitting 00:02:02.479 --> 00:02:10.640 in a centered position still the springs might be fine but the values have 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:12.400 changed so now in that neutral position 00:02:10.640 --> 00:02:17.599 your character starts drifting off to the side or walking 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:22.640 backwards or whatever the case may be hall effect joysticks use an entirely 00:02:20.239 --> 00:02:27.599 different mechanism they look and feel exactly the same because they're still 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:29.920 spring-loaded but to get that voltage to 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:35.920 get that value they use permanent magnets now okay before you correct me i 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:40.480 know that even a permanent magnet is not technically forever permanent but 00:02:38.160 --> 00:02:43.599 compared to a potentiometer i think it's okay to call it that so 00:02:42.160 --> 00:02:50.400 what happens is as we change the relative position of these permanent magnets we get a voltage value that is 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:53.200 never going to change of course if it's attached to a crappy controller we're 00:02:51.920 --> 00:02:57.120 not going to care about that so we'll definitely get some impressions there but first let's have a look at what else 00:02:55.599 --> 00:03:01.599 is in the box you get some stickers you get some 00:02:58.720 --> 00:03:06.720 firmware updates little manual ah yes this matters a lot because there's a bit 00:03:04.959 --> 00:03:10.640 of complexity here we got a nice little type a to type c flat charging cable 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:13.760 it's definitely usb 2. you can tell from the white color coding and the fact that 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:19.360 most of the pins inside the type-c connector are missing i'm actually not even sure if it does data nice all right 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:24.080 it does do data there's charging only USB-C cables it's like really 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:27.440 you had to save those fractions of a penny worth of copper next to the 00:03:25.920 --> 00:03:30.640 charging port we've got a pairing button with accompanying four led player 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:34.959 indicator just like you'd find on a nintendo switch then on the other side 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:39.760 we've got my first disappointment i'd really hoped given that it is shaped 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:43.599 exactly like an xbox controller that they might have found a way to work xbox 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:47.280 compatibility into the product but unfortunately you need a third-party 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:51.599 dongle like a wingman in order to connect this thing to your xbox the good 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:56.159 news is it does still have decent cross-platform compatibility you can 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:59.840 select either d or x input on Windows depending on whether you're playing or 00:03:57.760 --> 00:04:03.680 retro games or if you just want it to be picked up automatically by modern games 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:09.280 that would be x input you can select Android or iOS compatibility mode or 00:04:06.799 --> 00:04:13.599 obviously nintendo switch since it seems like their main target is switch players 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:17.120 who don't want to wear out their freaking joysticks because it's designed 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:20.479 for the switch you'll find all the appropriate nintendo specific buttons on 00:04:18.880 --> 00:04:26.560 the front i did say i would touch on that later as well as a six axis 00:04:23.520 --> 00:04:29.759 gyroscope inside that gilly kit claims 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:32.160 will work just like in pc games without 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:37.440 any software configuration or dedicated utility i am going to want to try that 00:04:33.919 --> 00:04:39.360 out oh also it supports amiibo tapping 00:04:37.440 --> 00:04:42.639 all right those are still a thing okay cool i mean yeah action figures 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:46.960 right like sure it occurs to me we should probably 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:50.479 have it oh my god the ergonomics of the switch pro controller are not as good 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:55.360 the switch pro controller doesn't have analog triggers i haven't played any 00:04:52.880 --> 00:04:59.600 mario kart this generation what the actual nintendo and this thing is so 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:03.199 expensive i guess now's as good a time as any to talk about the price of the 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:06.240 king kong 2 pro it's 70 us dollars putting it right in line with first 00:05:04.479 --> 00:05:11.680 party controllers in terms of pricing and i would say pretty damn in line in 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:16.160 terms of the build that's ignoring the hall effect 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:16.160 joysticks too 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:23.360 man yeah in line or better very little 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:26.880 flex good plastics god those are mushy shoulders how do 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:30.160 they get away with it charging as much as they do for first party 00:05:31.520 --> 00:05:35.039 but at least they're not mushy 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.840 here try this thing 00:05:40.080 --> 00:05:45.919 yeah like i would take that over over 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:48.960 any one of these first party controllers soft trigger sorry i realize i haven't 00:05:47.440 --> 00:05:53.039 even talked about d-pad is nothing special especially 00:05:51.440 --> 00:05:57.600 after playing around with the gpd win max 2 which has like the vita style 00:05:55.280 --> 00:06:01.520 d-pad stop trying to reinvent the d-pad it's already been invented okay it's 00:06:00.080 --> 00:06:06.400 decent though abxy 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:10.400 decent length travel not like super wild clicky like the remember those xbox 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:14.800 uh compatible razer controllers they did for a bit that had those like hyper 00:06:12.080 --> 00:06:18.080 clicky abxy dbrand is apparently the sponsor for 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:23.919 this video and i've been asked to ask what is dbrand doing sent us a game for 00:06:20.880 --> 00:06:25.120 for us to play a game to play oh my god 00:06:23.919 --> 00:06:30.160 james is going to join in today i've actually played this before and i'm really good at it so when the music 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:34.810 stops be not the last one to push a button 00:06:47.440 --> 00:06:52.960 yeah we both did that's how good i am baby 00:06:51.039 --> 00:06:57.919 that was it that's the dbrand integration as they zap me i guess you 00:06:55.520 --> 00:07:03.360 can buy their stickers if you want they make them for all kinds of products like 00:06:59.919 --> 00:07:05.199 tablets phones laptops game consoles 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:10.000 they've got their dark plates for the playstation 5. guys can check them out 00:07:07.440 --> 00:07:14.960 they have a weird sense of humor ow that hurt theoretically it should work just 00:07:12.400 --> 00:07:18.479 like a native switch pro controller it even wakes the console theoretically 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:24.960 let's just cycle through the modes here to be clear i don't know that this is gilly kit's fault but this has not been 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:27.680 a great experience so far okay let's go come on buddy i don't think that's the 00:07:26.479 --> 00:07:32.400 right that's not the right one if you look at the instructions close the screen and 00:07:29.919 --> 00:07:36.960 select grip order seriously that's the one no because you 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:41.840 have to uh for certain what the it paired 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:45.199 am i the idiot is that no one hears me it's just a misunderstanding you know 00:07:43.280 --> 00:07:48.080 what now i get to embarrass myself in breath of the wild because i haven't 00:07:46.400 --> 00:07:54.319 touched this damn game in like a thousand years this feels great 00:07:51.520 --> 00:07:58.879 i like this controller though gyroscope aside i think that they could have a 00:07:56.400 --> 00:08:03.199 little less friction around the edge of the analog sticks so i do notice a 00:08:01.039 --> 00:08:06.720 little bit of pull i'd like to see them do better with that i think they've got 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:09.280 like a beauty ring like a kind of accent around here that's causing a little bit 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:14.400 of friction i think it's the kind of thing that you could easily solve for yourself if you wanted to with like a 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:19.120 little bit of like paraffin wax around the outside or something like that you shouldn't have to do that it should just 00:08:17.280 --> 00:08:23.199 be using delrin or like some kind of self-lubricating material instead so 00:08:21.039 --> 00:08:28.960 maybe for the king kong 3 pro but ignoring that man do these ever feel 00:08:26.080 --> 00:08:32.000 good the spring tension is great and one of the benefits of hall effect joysticks 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:37.919 i haven't even mentioned yet is that because of their excellent durability 00:08:34.719 --> 00:08:40.560 the manufacturers can trust that zero 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:46.240 will stay zero so they tend to have much smaller dead zones you can see 00:08:42.959 --> 00:08:48.320 i need to make only a slight oh 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:53.360 see that the slightest deflection of the joystick and link starts walking so 00:08:50.640 --> 00:08:58.240 you're fine control way better which may not be as important on the left stick 00:08:55.839 --> 00:09:02.720 but on the right stick for aiming it's a big deal it was immediately 00:09:00.880 --> 00:09:06.880 noticeable when i upgraded my steam deck to gili kit joysticks oh i guess now's 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:10.959 this good a time to mention uh these this is really cool unlike the major 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:15.519 first party controllers gili kit provides replacement mechanical buttons 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:20.000 so these are for your abx y's as well as keycaps and i don't think they have 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:24.160 replacement joysticks yet for this particular controller maybe they are 00:09:21.839 --> 00:09:28.720 confident that they will never die but they do offer replacement joysticks for 00:09:26.880 --> 00:09:31.440 the steam deck so i would hope that either those are compatible with their 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:35.279 own controller or that they plan to offer replacement ones themselves in the 00:09:33.760 --> 00:09:41.200 future i love love seeing additional repairability 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.200 make its way into the electronics space 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:49.279 they have the sticks themselves but not the joystick box that's 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.800 hilarious talk about confident man why 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:54.480 don't we why don't we try out the gyroscope in one of the pc titles that 00:09:53.040 --> 00:09:57.600 they claim it will just magically work in now seems like as good a time as any 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:01.360 to talk about some of the other functions of the controller by using 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:04.720 this gear button they call it like ai button 00:10:03.040 --> 00:10:09.760 doesn't seem very ai to me but it definitely does some cool stuff you can 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:12.720 swap the xbay so if you prefer the north 00:10:09.760 --> 00:10:17.120 american style confirm here back here but you're playing a nintendo or a 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:20.720 playstation game then you can just do what's natural for you although it'll 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:25.200 definitely cause some confusion if you have to do any kind of button mashing 00:10:22.640 --> 00:10:29.279 quick time events i would think you can set up basic repeat macros so by holding 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:34.880 the gear button and then pressing any of the right shoulder trigger or abx y you 00:10:32.079 --> 00:10:40.000 can have them repeat up to 20 activations per second it has this 00:10:37.040 --> 00:10:42.959 really weird thing uh like autopilot or something like that where you can pretty 00:10:42.079 --> 00:10:47.600 much record and then replay like long it's 00:10:46.160 --> 00:10:52.079 like up to 10 minutes or something like that right like long strings of inputs 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:56.399 and this is meant for fine-tuning the repeatability of like 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:59.440 say for example uh some kind of speed run i 00:10:57.680 --> 00:11:03.920 don't know that that's necessarily in the spirit of speed running depending on 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:07.920 how you're doing it but i know that there are cases where speedrunners will 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:11.360 use hacks and cheats just to determine the viability of a particular strategy 00:11:09.920 --> 00:11:15.440 so i could see it being fine for that like hey oh that particular section 00:11:13.839 --> 00:11:19.360 that's not what i'm focused on right now but i can i can often fail at that let's 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:22.399 just blow through that so i can practice the next bit i could see it being useful 00:11:20.800 --> 00:11:27.600 for that another really cool one is you can adjust the vibration intensity so 00:11:24.160 --> 00:11:28.800 that's just gear plus or minus 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:32.720 yeah plus my sorry it has a plus and minus 00:11:30.959 --> 00:11:37.920 button so that's really confusing uh gear up or gear down motion sense aim 00:11:35.680 --> 00:11:43.279 assist on pc cool 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:44.720 let's turn it up so we do gear and then 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:51.040 left or left trigger by hitting the gear and either 00:11:49.040 --> 00:11:55.760 the shoulder or the trigger you indicate which one you want it to 00:11:53.920 --> 00:12:01.120 activate the gyroscope when you're holding so if i press gear left shoulder 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:05.360 then when i hold the left shoulder the gyroscope will be active and if i press 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:08.880 gear left trigger which is what i want for this game then when i hold the 00:12:06.959 --> 00:12:13.360 trigger so you can see here the gyroscope will be active but when i hold 00:12:10.800 --> 00:12:15.900 the shoulder oh wait nope it's working with the shoulder as 00:12:14.560 --> 00:12:19.230 well okay i don't know then 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:24.959 oh i might have done both okay yeah so let's turn this one off long vibration 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:29.200 is cancel yes okay yes oh well that's cool so you 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:33.440 can have them at even different sensitivities if you really want wow 00:12:30.959 --> 00:12:37.920 that offers a lot of flexibility that's super cool now to be clear like 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:41.920 other gyro based aiming schemes it's not meant for you to enter gyro mode and 00:12:40.160 --> 00:12:45.040 like hold control your controller like this 00:12:43.920 --> 00:12:49.120 you're still going to be using your right stick for the majority of your 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:53.600 course motions it's just for making little adjustments 00:12:50.880 --> 00:12:58.639 i'm getting some jitter in the side to side 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:58.639 up and down feels smooth 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:05.120 you can calibrate it you say whoa high sensitivity is 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:08.320 very high let's try low sensitivity 00:13:10.160 --> 00:13:15.360 yeah i feel like i'm going down more than i'm coming up 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:18.959 but maybe i just feel like that no i'm coming up more than i'm going down now 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:22.959 i mean i'm kind of hovering in about the same spot it just doesn't seem 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:28.320 consistent i really like the finish on the top it's 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:32.320 like it feels soft to the touch but doesn't appear to be that like 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:34.880 rubberized junk that comes off like a soft touch you can customize the 00:13:33.760 --> 00:13:39.760 sensitivity of the sticks and the triggers that's also through their gear button here it works both wired and 00:13:38.079 --> 00:13:43.600 wirelessly i guess we didn't mention how long it's supposed to last on a charge 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:46.800 it's rated for 25 hours and i guess that's all there is to really say about 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:51.680 it is it perfect no but it's absolutely embarrassing that 00:13:49.920 --> 00:13:55.279 it takes a company like gili kit to come out and put high quality joysticks in 00:13:53.760 --> 00:13:58.880 their controller when we're paying so much for our first party controllers and 00:13:57.199 --> 00:14:02.480 what i hope is that products like this put pressure on the major controller 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:06.320 manufacturers to switch over to this objectively superior joystick technology 00:14:04.880 --> 00:14:09.480 thanks for watching ShortCircuit and get subscribed