I jumped on the 8K gaming hype train as
hard as anyone especially with that early look at NVIDIA's RTX 3090 the
world's first 8K GPU but have you ever
realized you're riding a bandwagon that just doesn't make any sense I mean even
now the second I saw this liquid cooled
RTX 490 from MSI who sponsored this
video I thought wow with up to two times
the performance maybe we could do it even better this
time except I couldn't help noticing that while 8K gaming is still a
highlighted feature on NVIDIA's product page it's all the way hidden down at the
bottom here what's the deal with that is it that the 4090 is somehow worse for 8K
than the last gen is it that they simply couldn't find an 8K monitor to validate
it on or is it that 8K gaming is just
really really pointless no matter how powerful your GPU is the only way to
know is to try
it to get our 8K groove on the first thing we're going to need is a tricked
out gaming PC and this one courtesy of MSI is an absolute doozy at its gooey
Center is their RTX 490 Supreme Liquid X
it is an absolute Beast with integrated liquid cooling 24 gigs of GDDR 6X memory
over 16,000 Kuda cores and much much more expensive yes but you've got an 8K
display you're not exactly hurting for cash are you for our testing we'll be
using the exact same unit that LG provided for our last 8K gaming video
their signature ZX 88 in OLED that lives
here in our employee lounge for after hours Smash Bros tournaments we're going
to start by recreating our 8K gaming experience from last time man look at
all those KS there's eight of them got our HD there's eight got our raid
tracing dlss pretty much everything set to ultra Nightmare and we're running on
our RTX 3090 so we can get a baseline
just wait it'll hang like this but it'll go it will yep oh here it goes here it
goes hey look at that oh yes pretty smooth eh uh actually yeah we're only
getting like 55 FPS but it's Ultra nightmare for the most
part yeah okay oh that was not smooth it
hitches o yeah when I when I do like a quick 180 that
is not a lot of frames in between there can I chainsaw this nope you should be
able to well oh okay whatever I died see you later cool so that's pretty close to
the experience you guys were getting last time yeah we wanted to retest the
390 because since then we've gotten new CPUs new drivers and we wanted to see
well hey is the 90 an even more viable 8K gaming card than it was before turns
out not really about the same as before yeah it's pretty pretty close across the
board actually time to upgrade all right
and see you later 3090
Supreme nice knowing you hello 4090
Supreme I got to say when it comes to these like 250 350 400 watt cards liquid
cooling just kind of starts to Mak sense doesn't it like that is a much
more reasonable sized GPU well this is
big but that's not the point the point
is it doesn't look quite as ridiculous here and the 490 air cooled version of
the Supreme is even bigger than the old
3090 can't build a ratchet 4090 gaming
system without a ratcheting screwdriver LTT Store. hey buddy hey there we go
check out settings make sure nothing changed blah blah blah yep exact same
settings cool oh it says connecting this time it still froze still froze it still
froze okay hold on but we're getting 300 FPS right now in the loading screen wow
it feels a lot more responsive right is
that a solid 90 FPS yeah this high is 97
but our lows are 1% lows down to like 80 85 wow at 50 so I think it's it might
stutter still but like it's much more rare like you stuttered like three times
with the 390 right oh stutter wait I need ammo that wasn't a bad stutter
though no it wasn't as bad but like it
would bug me oh this is totally playable though yeah 100% 100% playable man if we
were willing to sell for what we had last time which is more like 60 FPS you
think we could render it 8K native maybe yeah try it we had a lot of
criticism last time like yeah you're gaming at 8K but you're using DLS s
which is essentially just gaming at a lower resolution and then upscaling it
but maybe we don't need to upscale D LSS isn't actually doing as much as I
thought it would you're getting a solid like 60 65 yeah holy crap you can
actually game natively at what you could do with dlss before that's pretty wild
it's gorgeous this is what this freaking R tracing you guys cannot emphasize that
enough all right let's try some other games at this point you're probably
wondering why we're using a 12900 K CPU
rather than the latest ryzen 7000 or Intel 13th gen and the answer is that we
actually wanted to use the latest CPUs
but the ryzen 7950 X ended up being so unstable that we wasted an entire day
trying to get it to work and the lab still has all of our 13th gen core chips
so 12 900k uh oh shoot I didn't check the
settings sets are they probably right I can check them from in game they're
probably right 200 FPS I'm like kind of excited now last time around we got 27
FPS average with r tracing and dlss
which is like console playable but not exactly a a PC gaming experience well
holy crap is this right I don't know you settings 97 FPS check the settings that
can't be right holy crap that quality RTX on set to high instead of very high
go to preset very high I think that's the big difference highest yeah my 99
lows are still 75 FPS this is 100%
playable dude it's like a 5-year-old game now yeah but it's still a pretty
game I know like people ask why we test it because it's a super pretty game and
it's still demanding I mean to o whoops um that's not what I meant to do oh my
God that
the water girlly the rag doll was just like nope I want more 10K no no I mean I want
I want to run it natively okay sure I don't want a dlss maybe you don't have
to it's already dropped o okay oh yeah
this is way harder 50 is not bad well hold on I
wonder if HDR isn't on I wonder if that's changed things oh no it's off
yeah yeah yeah so so that so that's probably part of some of our perform
performance while we're getting like 100 let's try it we're going to try it it
looks like between game runs our Windows HDR got disabled so it is running in HDR
now and rendering natively at 8K with HDR it
feels a little sloppier on the inputs that
did cost us a little yeah it's a little
blurry however it's still like 4550
average you're being a hater it's a pretty damn goodlooking game I'd like to
see you develop a better game I saw the game you developed and it actually gears
5 looks amazing I'm not talking about gears 5
you okay In fairness though these are
older games that we've looked at so far what if we were to look at something a
little bit newer what were you getting with the 3090 in this game while I
wasn't in multiplayer I was in campaign but we're getting about 30 FPS really
cuz I've got 60 FPS right now and I'm just getting all these
kills I'm rendering natively
in a current demanding game this is
sick it tears those kills it tears a little too much though hey it does hey
is that stopping me from getting a killing spree ladies and gentlemen no
what's my halo kill ratio infinite killing
friendy does this game even have dlss I thought it did I don't care whatever
okay that was clear it's clearly playable I think we've made our Point AK
gaming totally a thing so we were sucking back 43 30 Watts with this bad
boy but never saw higher than about 63° freaking impressive not to mention
that compared to an aircooled card this thing is actually reasonable when it
comes to size and weight in the slot in CSO on the highest presets with no
antialising no dlss we were getting 160
FPS average with a 3090 with our 490
wait this doesn't seem right we're only getting 100 oh A8 time msaa that's why 8
times an we're still getting 100 FPS yeah and the game Crash it'll crash for
that yeah holy crap we are running at 8K
native with dual Berettas and over 200 frames per second
hitting 330 sometimes what and it feels
like it that's that's super responsive like this is not a problem
wow Berettas are a problem though well
yeah for sure but hey hey
hey did you reload you 21 bullets left little while to
reload got him whoa 1% lows are like 180
200 FPS totally totally this is not just
playable like this is competitive playable which raises the question with
8K gaming then seemingly alive and well
why would I call it a stupid bandwagon
because math let's turn our game down to
4K and see if we can tell the difference okay I'm checking like these power lines
for stair stepping and stuff cuz we're not we're not rolling anti-aliasing if
there's anywhere we're going to notice it it's here yeah this really does not
look very different this looks not bad at all this looks totally fine maybe
it's just me though why don't we gather up some Rubes I mean test subjects sorry
I mean uh colleagues and see if we can have a bit
of fun with them we're going to tell them they're gaming at 8K and watch them
Mar at the clarity and sharpness and then we'll reveal that actually it's
just running at 4k on an 8K display so we're using a 4090 uh-huh and we're
gaming at 8K and it's on an 88 in TV how
do you think it looks I feel really far away even though
the screen this big yes what do you think about the clarity
and stuff and like oh it is very clear I'm going to tell you a secret mhm it's
set to 4K right now it's not really something I'd really really be able to
notice especially like for these assets
I don't think they're even in 4k them themselves so if you walk up to it it's
not like you're going to notice anyways right so I think it's really a question
of whether or not a lot of these things are intended to be played at 4K or even
more so 8K right okay I'm going to restart it put it in 8k okay see if you
can even notice a difference at all so now we're definitely in
8k uh it looks the exact same right yeah
okay sure this is amazing the texture details
incredible looks pretty good is he on my team yeah he is okay okay I got a secret
for you yeah you're playing in 4k right now on an 8K display that diminishing
returns my friend right yeah I could not
tell I also have not played this game in
a very long time that's fine take take some time to like take a really close
look at some stuff we'll swap to 8K and we'll see if you can even tell the
difference once it's in proper 8K you're getting a lower FPS we went from like
350 like you know 256 270 no it looks
like oh man I can't tell the difference
maybe the blood no but even that texture just doesn't look it doesn't make give
you any benefit there's nothing nice shot thank you it's pretty sharp looking
yeah Halo guys look pretty good yeah those effects looked pretty sick yeah so
here's the trick it's 4K right now okay
and it's upscaling to 8K hey look I got an achievement do you notice at all no
it's pretty sharp and This TV has a nice upscaler in it anyway so okay so now
let's change it to 8K feels about the same it certainly doesn't feel as fluid
but that's just feeling how does it look does it look sharper no at all not
really looks about the same textures look just as sharp should I be noticing
a differ difference Mr bloof no you shouldn't be would you pay more for an
8K TV uh no but there are lunatics out
there who do o AK is a higher number
than 4K so it's better wow you heard it here first folks this just did how much
would it cost me to get this experience at home oh my God 4 everything the card
alone is like $1,800 the TV was about $3,000 when LG
sent it over I think so either I could send my kid to college or I could buy
the setup yeah obviously you should buy the setup so it looks really good I
don't have anything to compare it to obviously sitting from here I don't have like a 4K thing to look at but solid it
is 4K what it's an ak8 TV with a 4090
and we've set Halo to 4K right now oh
you were messing with me yeah was that on purpose yeah oh okay I thought I just
wasn't paying attention now you get the true 8K
experience wa obviously it's going to sound biased now but it looks clear you
think so I think so no I'm so bad with this stuff looks good this looks great
looks amazing I don't know like I I can tell when things are stuttery yeah but
I'm I'm not great at telling like the textures on here are so crisp like I I
just want fluidity in my game this looks in many ways completely identical to
what I would expect it to be on a 4K
television right if you told me that this was 4K I would say yes yes it is
that's exactly what it is you guessed it there you go change it to 8K now though
and let's see if we can notice like much of a difference I was really surprised
at the FPS I was like there's no way it's getting that many
FPS this is uh exactly the same
experience you got some dlss going on here for sure there's no way I'm getting
200 FPS right now it's a 4090 water cooled with dlss right maybe maybe is
that the challenge tell definitely how does 8 look how forget about the frames
for second I'm So Far Away what do you mean it looks great it's nice and sharp
but I'm really far away so I don't know we're in
4k that's why we're getting like 200 frames per second okay so I I knew I was
being Bamboozled in some Capac yeah hit cancel no hit cancel you got to change
it to 8K now cuz now you got to really try 8K wow the
detail in those like look at the trees man that's a lot of pixels brother okay
I'm going to switch it to 4K I'm not going to lie
doesn't look as different as I was expecting can we can we go back one more
time okay there's definitely a lot more detail sure but man it's 8K is stupid
you can really see the pores in the stone concrete I feel like my series X
looks like this dang like it doesn't look that that good this could
be four I guess it is oh my wow see I'm
a gamer I know my halo I when I saw my master chief I knew this ain't no this
Ain my master chief now let's change it to 4K or 28k and see if you can even
like see any kind of improvement okay look at those bullets those look awful
but do you think this looks like better than the 4K image you were just looking
at absolutely not I feel like I'm being pranked and it's still 4K like it does
not look it's it's a little more Terry I
guess CU we're lower FPS yeah but no the
issue is that from a natural comfortable viewing distance 8K is not necessarily
going to increase the perceived Clarity or resolution of the image there's
actually a pretty simple formula for when the individual pixels on a display
become indiscernible from each other and at 88 diagonal inches here we would have
to be closer than 69 in Nice in order to
make out the individual pixels and that assumes that we have perfect vision but
lonus you might say it's a little more
complicated than that and 8K is a forward-looking technology it's intended
for much larger TVs and projectors and those are good points
there are times when we can see a little bit of texture Shimmer or a little bit
of stair stepping in something like a a power line traveling across the blue sky
but that could easily be solved with a little bit of multi- sample
anti-aliasing for a much smaller performance Hit And as far as larger
displays go the thing is is that as they get larger you're going to want to sit
even farther away from them we did a
full video on this a while back but TX
actually publishes guidelines for how much of your field of view should be
optimally occupied by an image before you begin to experience uh eye fatigue
or motion sickness and it's about
40° maximum meaning that no matter what
screen size you plug into their calculator 4K and 8K are going to spit
out the exact same recommended viewing distance which is well outside of
retina so the good news is that 8K
gaming is four reals here with the 490
and who knows may even be affordable in another generation or two but the other
good news is that you don't need to care about that at all which might explain
why MSI actually sent over their Optics MPG 321 ur- QD
144 HZ 4k monitor when we pitched them
doing an 8K demo video to uh show off their RTX 490 uh that particular monitor
is designed for gaming and content creation uh it's quantum dot to enhance
color accuracy color saturation and contrast and of course is 144 HZ with a
1 millisecond response time and NVIDIA gsync for faster smoother frames it
works for both PC and console gaming and to learn more about MSI monitors and of
course gpus you can follow the link in the video description
now one use case for this kind of gaming
horsepower at higher than 4K resolutions
is VR but whatever the Zuck might think
those headsets aren't going mainstream anytime soon so it's not something that
we have to worry about thanks for watching if you like
this video or maybe if you hated it take a look at the last time we did this with
an RTX 390 to see just how far we've
come