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I jumped on the 8K gaming hype train as

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hard as anyone especially with that early look at NVIDIA's RTX 3090 the

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world's first 8K GPU but have you ever

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realized you're riding a bandwagon that just doesn't make any sense I mean even

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now the second I saw this liquid cooled

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RTX 490 from MSI who sponsored this

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video I thought wow with up to two times

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the performance maybe we could do it even better this

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time except I couldn't help noticing that while 8K gaming is still a

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highlighted feature on NVIDIA's product page it's all the way hidden down at the

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bottom here what's the deal with that is it that the 4090 is somehow worse for 8K

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than the last gen is it that they simply couldn't find an 8K monitor to validate

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it on or is it that 8K gaming is just

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really really pointless no matter how powerful your GPU is the only way to

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know is to try

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it to get our 8K groove on the first thing we're going to need is a tricked

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out gaming PC and this one courtesy of MSI is an absolute doozy at its gooey

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Center is their RTX 490 Supreme Liquid X

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it is an absolute Beast with integrated liquid cooling 24 gigs of GDDR 6X memory

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over 16,000 Kuda cores and much much more expensive yes but you've got an 8K

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display you're not exactly hurting for cash are you for our testing we'll be

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using the exact same unit that LG provided for our last 8K gaming video

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their signature ZX 88 in OLED that lives

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here in our employee lounge for after hours Smash Bros tournaments we're going

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to start by recreating our 8K gaming experience from last time man look at

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all those KS there's eight of them got our HD there's eight got our raid

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tracing dlss pretty much everything set to ultra Nightmare and we're running on

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our RTX 3090 so we can get a baseline

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just wait it'll hang like this but it'll go it will yep oh here it goes here it

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goes hey look at that oh yes pretty smooth eh uh actually yeah we're only

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getting like 55 FPS but it's Ultra nightmare for the most

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part yeah okay oh that was not smooth it

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hitches o yeah when I when I do like a quick 180 that

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is not a lot of frames in between there can I chainsaw this nope you should be

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able to well oh okay whatever I died see you later cool so that's pretty close to

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the experience you guys were getting last time yeah we wanted to retest the

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390 because since then we've gotten new CPUs new drivers and we wanted to see

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well hey is the 90 an even more viable 8K gaming card than it was before turns

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out not really about the same as before yeah it's pretty pretty close across the

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board actually time to upgrade all right

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and see you later 3090

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Supreme nice knowing you hello 4090

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Supreme I got to say when it comes to these like 250 350 400 watt cards liquid

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cooling just kind of starts to Mak sense doesn't it like that is a much

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more reasonable sized GPU well this is

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big but that's not the point the point

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is it doesn't look quite as ridiculous here and the 490 air cooled version of

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the Supreme is even bigger than the old

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3090 can't build a ratchet 4090 gaming

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system without a ratcheting screwdriver LTT Store. hey buddy hey there we go

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check out settings make sure nothing changed blah blah blah yep exact same

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settings cool oh it says connecting this time it still froze still froze it still

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froze okay hold on but we're getting 300 FPS right now in the loading screen wow

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it feels a lot more responsive right is

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that a solid 90 FPS yeah this high is 97

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but our lows are 1% lows down to like 80 85 wow at 50 so I think it's it might

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stutter still but like it's much more rare like you stuttered like three times

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with the 390 right oh stutter wait I need ammo that wasn't a bad stutter

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though no it wasn't as bad but like it

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would bug me oh this is totally playable though yeah 100% 100% playable man if we

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were willing to sell for what we had last time which is more like 60 FPS you

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think we could render it 8K native maybe yeah try it we had a lot of

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criticism last time like yeah you're gaming at 8K but you're using DLS s

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which is essentially just gaming at a lower resolution and then upscaling it

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but maybe we don't need to upscale D LSS isn't actually doing as much as I

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thought it would you're getting a solid like 60 65 yeah holy crap you can

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actually game natively at what you could do with dlss before that's pretty wild

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it's gorgeous this is what this freaking R tracing you guys cannot emphasize that

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enough all right let's try some other games at this point you're probably

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wondering why we're using a 12900 K CPU

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rather than the latest ryzen 7000 or Intel 13th gen and the answer is that we

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actually wanted to use the latest CPUs

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but the ryzen 7950 X ended up being so unstable that we wasted an entire day

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trying to get it to work and the lab still has all of our 13th gen core chips

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so 12 900k uh oh shoot I didn't check the

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settings sets are they probably right I can check them from in game they're

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probably right 200 FPS I'm like kind of excited now last time around we got 27

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FPS average with r tracing and dlss

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which is like console playable but not exactly a a PC gaming experience well

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holy crap is this right I don't know you settings 97 FPS check the settings that

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can't be right holy crap that quality RTX on set to high instead of very high

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go to preset very high I think that's the big difference highest yeah my 99

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lows are still 75 FPS this is 100%

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playable dude it's like a 5-year-old game now yeah but it's still a pretty

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game I know like people ask why we test it because it's a super pretty game and

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it's still demanding I mean to o whoops um that's not what I meant to do oh my

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God that

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the water girlly the rag doll was just like nope I want more 10K no no I mean I want

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I want to run it natively okay sure I don't want a dlss maybe you don't have

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to it's already dropped o okay oh yeah

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this is way harder 50 is not bad well hold on I

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wonder if HDR isn't on I wonder if that's changed things oh no it's off

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yeah yeah yeah so so that so that's probably part of some of our perform

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performance while we're getting like 100 let's try it we're going to try it it

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looks like between game runs our Windows HDR got disabled so it is running in HDR

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now and rendering natively at 8K with HDR it

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feels a little sloppier on the inputs that

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did cost us a little yeah it's a little

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blurry however it's still like 4550

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average you're being a hater it's a pretty damn goodlooking game I'd like to

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see you develop a better game I saw the game you developed and it actually gears

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5 looks amazing I'm not talking about gears 5

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you okay In fairness though these are

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older games that we've looked at so far what if we were to look at something a

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little bit newer what were you getting with the 3090 in this game while I

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wasn't in multiplayer I was in campaign but we're getting about 30 FPS really

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cuz I've got 60 FPS right now and I'm just getting all these

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kills I'm rendering natively

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in a current demanding game this is

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sick it tears those kills it tears a little too much though hey it does hey

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is that stopping me from getting a killing spree ladies and gentlemen no

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what's my halo kill ratio infinite killing

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friendy does this game even have dlss I thought it did I don't care whatever

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okay that was clear it's clearly playable I think we've made our Point AK

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gaming totally a thing so we were sucking back 43 30 Watts with this bad

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boy but never saw higher than about 63° freaking impressive not to mention

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that compared to an aircooled card this thing is actually reasonable when it

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comes to size and weight in the slot in CSO on the highest presets with no

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antialising no dlss we were getting 160

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FPS average with a 3090 with our 490

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wait this doesn't seem right we're only getting 100 oh A8 time msaa that's why 8

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times an we're still getting 100 FPS yeah and the game Crash it'll crash for

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that yeah holy crap we are running at 8K

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native with dual Berettas and over 200 frames per second

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hitting 330 sometimes what and it feels

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like it that's that's super responsive like this is not a problem

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wow Berettas are a problem though well

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yeah for sure but hey hey

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hey did you reload you 21 bullets left little while to

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reload got him whoa 1% lows are like 180

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200 FPS totally totally this is not just

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playable like this is competitive playable which raises the question with

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8K gaming then seemingly alive and well

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why would I call it a stupid bandwagon

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because math let's turn our game down to

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4K and see if we can tell the difference okay I'm checking like these power lines

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for stair stepping and stuff cuz we're not we're not rolling anti-aliasing if

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there's anywhere we're going to notice it it's here yeah this really does not

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look very different this looks not bad at all this looks totally fine maybe

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it's just me though why don't we gather up some Rubes I mean test subjects sorry

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I mean uh colleagues and see if we can have a bit

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of fun with them we're going to tell them they're gaming at 8K and watch them

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Mar at the clarity and sharpness and then we'll reveal that actually it's

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just running at 4k on an 8K display so we're using a 4090 uh-huh and we're

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gaming at 8K and it's on an 88 in TV how

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do you think it looks I feel really far away even though

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the screen this big yes what do you think about the clarity

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and stuff and like oh it is very clear I'm going to tell you a secret mhm it's

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set to 4K right now it's not really something I'd really really be able to

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notice especially like for these assets

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I don't think they're even in 4k them themselves so if you walk up to it it's

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not like you're going to notice anyways right so I think it's really a question

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of whether or not a lot of these things are intended to be played at 4K or even

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more so 8K right okay I'm going to restart it put it in 8k okay see if you

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can even notice a difference at all so now we're definitely in

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8k uh it looks the exact same right yeah

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okay sure this is amazing the texture details

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incredible looks pretty good is he on my team yeah he is okay okay I got a secret

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for you yeah you're playing in 4k right now on an 8K display that diminishing

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returns my friend right yeah I could not

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tell I also have not played this game in

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a very long time that's fine take take some time to like take a really close

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look at some stuff we'll swap to 8K and we'll see if you can even tell the

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difference once it's in proper 8K you're getting a lower FPS we went from like

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350 like you know 256 270 no it looks

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like oh man I can't tell the difference

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maybe the blood no but even that texture just doesn't look it doesn't make give

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you any benefit there's nothing nice shot thank you it's pretty sharp looking

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yeah Halo guys look pretty good yeah those effects looked pretty sick yeah so

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here's the trick it's 4K right now okay

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and it's upscaling to 8K hey look I got an achievement do you notice at all no

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it's pretty sharp and This TV has a nice upscaler in it anyway so okay so now

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let's change it to 8K feels about the same it certainly doesn't feel as fluid

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but that's just feeling how does it look does it look sharper no at all not

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really looks about the same textures look just as sharp should I be noticing

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a differ difference Mr bloof no you shouldn't be would you pay more for an

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8K TV uh no but there are lunatics out

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there who do o AK is a higher number

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than 4K so it's better wow you heard it here first folks this just did how much

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would it cost me to get this experience at home oh my God 4 everything the card

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alone is like $1,800 the TV was about $3,000 when LG

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sent it over I think so either I could send my kid to college or I could buy

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the setup yeah obviously you should buy the setup so it looks really good I

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don't have anything to compare it to obviously sitting from here I don't have like a 4K thing to look at but solid it

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is 4K what it's an ak8 TV with a 4090

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and we've set Halo to 4K right now oh

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you were messing with me yeah was that on purpose yeah oh okay I thought I just

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wasn't paying attention now you get the true 8K

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experience wa obviously it's going to sound biased now but it looks clear you

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think so I think so no I'm so bad with this stuff looks good this looks great

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looks amazing I don't know like I I can tell when things are stuttery yeah but

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I'm I'm not great at telling like the textures on here are so crisp like I I

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just want fluidity in my game this looks in many ways completely identical to

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what I would expect it to be on a 4K

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television right if you told me that this was 4K I would say yes yes it is

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that's exactly what it is you guessed it there you go change it to 8K now though

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and let's see if we can notice like much of a difference I was really surprised

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at the FPS I was like there's no way it's getting that many

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FPS this is uh exactly the same

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experience you got some dlss going on here for sure there's no way I'm getting

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200 FPS right now it's a 4090 water cooled with dlss right maybe maybe is

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that the challenge tell definitely how does 8 look how forget about the frames

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for second I'm So Far Away what do you mean it looks great it's nice and sharp

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but I'm really far away so I don't know we're in

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4k that's why we're getting like 200 frames per second okay so I I knew I was

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being Bamboozled in some Capac yeah hit cancel no hit cancel you got to change

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it to 8K now cuz now you got to really try 8K wow the

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detail in those like look at the trees man that's a lot of pixels brother okay

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I'm going to switch it to 4K I'm not going to lie

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doesn't look as different as I was expecting can we can we go back one more

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time okay there's definitely a lot more detail sure but man it's 8K is stupid

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you can really see the pores in the stone concrete I feel like my series X

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looks like this dang like it doesn't look that that good this could

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be four I guess it is oh my wow see I'm

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a gamer I know my halo I when I saw my master chief I knew this ain't no this

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Ain my master chief now let's change it to 4K or 28k and see if you can even

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like see any kind of improvement okay look at those bullets those look awful

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but do you think this looks like better than the 4K image you were just looking

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at absolutely not I feel like I'm being pranked and it's still 4K like it does

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not look it's it's a little more Terry I

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guess CU we're lower FPS yeah but no the

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issue is that from a natural comfortable viewing distance 8K is not necessarily

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going to increase the perceived Clarity or resolution of the image there's

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become indiscernible from each other and at 88 diagonal inches here we would have

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to be closer than 69 in Nice in order to

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make out the individual pixels and that assumes that we have perfect vision but

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lonus you might say it's a little more

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complicated than that and 8K is a forward-looking technology it's intended

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for much larger TVs and projectors and those are good points

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there are times when we can see a little bit of texture Shimmer or a little bit

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of stair stepping in something like a a power line traveling across the blue sky

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but that could easily be solved with a little bit of multi- sample

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anti-aliasing for a much smaller performance Hit And as far as larger

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displays go the thing is is that as they get larger you're going to want to sit

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even farther away from them we did a

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full video on this a while back but TX

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actually publishes guidelines for how much of your field of view should be

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optimally occupied by an image before you begin to experience uh eye fatigue

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or motion sickness and it's about

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40° maximum meaning that no matter what

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screen size you plug into their calculator 4K and 8K are going to spit

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out the exact same recommended viewing distance which is well outside of

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retina so the good news is that 8K

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gaming is four reals here with the 490

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and who knows may even be affordable in another generation or two but the other

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good news is that you don't need to care about that at all which might explain

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why MSI actually sent over their Optics MPG 321 ur- QD

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144 HZ 4k monitor when we pitched them

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doing an 8K demo video to uh show off their RTX 490 uh that particular monitor

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is designed for gaming and content creation uh it's quantum dot to enhance

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color accuracy color saturation and contrast and of course is 144 HZ with a

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1 millisecond response time and NVIDIA gsync for faster smoother frames it

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works for both PC and console gaming and to learn more about MSI monitors and of

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course gpus you can follow the link in the video description

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now one use case for this kind of gaming

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horsepower at higher than 4K resolutions

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is VR but whatever the Zuck might think

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those headsets aren't going mainstream anytime soon so it's not something that

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we have to worry about thanks for watching if you like

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this video or maybe if you hated it take a look at the last time we did this with

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an RTX 390 to see just how far we've

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come